I started a review of mine, to pay back the privilege of owning one already! I haven't so much as proofread it, let alone edit it, so bear that in mind
https://www.jasonmytail.com/75-day-700km-review-rivendell-charlie-h-gallop/ On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 17:45:11 UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote: > > I love both of these builds. I can imagine the Albatross work well. I > enjoyed running Billie bars on mine. > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: > >> Very nice Abe! I can believe it on the climbing - the long rear end makes >> a world of a difference for climbing, I find! >> >> Not much has changed on mine since I last posted it - the Albatross bars >> feel perfect on this bike for me, even though it's suited to drops or >> moustache bars. Granted, I'm using it a bit differently than intended too. >> I've put a used dynamo front wheel on and am embracing the mismatched >> wheels. Here's a pic of it on my way to donate some excess tires and parts >> to the local non-profit bike shop today. No plans to change a thing! I'll >> put some RH Barlow Pass endurance on eventually, but I want to wear these >> out first >> >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 4:44 PM Pancake <abe.g...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Here's my 57cm prototype Charlie update and build: >>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/DUpFlP27OE4/m/HZb6bU5XBAAJ >>> [image: IMG_3522.jpg][image: IMG_3550.jpg][image: IMG_3551.jpg][image: >>> IMG_3556.jpg] >>> More pics here: https://imgur.com/a/RiI8NN4 >>> >>> My friend caught this 57cm Charlie prototype for me a few weeks ago - my >>> ideal Riv since I want v-brakes (that my Sam and Cheviot lack). Sadly, this >>> will end up replacing my Sam, but what a replacement! Vs. Sam: No more toe >>> clip overlap, more chainstay length, climbs better (this surprised me), and >>> more comfortable (for me at least). >>> >>> I swapped nearly everything from my Hillborne onto the Charlie (and vice >>> versa): >>> Frame - Charlie H Gallop 57cm prototype with canti posts >>> Wheelset - VO Voyager rims, DT Swiss Competition (double butted) spokes, >>> SP (Shutter Precision) PV-8 dynamo hub in front, Bitex rear hub, Salsa >>> skewers >>> Stem - Nitto technomic 70mm (IIRC) >>> Handlebars – Soma Portola (52cm wide at bar ends, 48cm at hoods) >>> Brake levers – TRP RRL >>> Brakes - rear CX70 canti, front Shimano BR-R353 (will replace with >>> Tektro 926al which has 85mm arms vs 90mm on the Shimanos ... they work well >>> but the levers don't quite pull enough to feel right with the long arms). >>> Koolstop e-brake pads in front. >>> Handlbar tape - will replace random rainbow stuff with Newbaums some day. >>> Seatpost - Nitto S83 >>> Seat - Brooks Flyer (but may replace with B17s or C19) >>> Crankset - Sugino clipper triple 26/36/46 ... will replace with VO 46/30 >>> double >>> Cassette – Suntour 11-40t 9 speed >>> Front derailleur – Riv put on a Blue Line, it is JUST enough range to >>> shift to the tallest chainring, but only just. >>> Rear derailer - nexus rapid rise, it doesn't have quite enough spring >>> tension with this setup to keep from skipping under hard pedaling, I'll try >>> the XT rapid rise and hope that works better like it did on the Sam. >>> Pedals – Kona Wah Wah - 118mm x 120mm >>> Tires – Schwalbe G-One Allround 700 x 50mm >>> Lights - IQ-XS in front and Secula in back >>> >>> Abe >>> >>> On Thursday, 17 February 2022 at 19:57:32 UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote: >>> >>>> I had the same issue with the stem but didn't attribute it to being a >>>> prototype. I can't use taller stems at all because they just don't go >>>> down >>>> deep enough. Is that not the case with standard Riv's? >>>> >>>> I used Billie's and really enjoyed it. It's clear that the frame was >>>> built for sweptbacks. >>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 10:38:28 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>> >>>>> Update - put on the Albatross bars. One kind of annoying nuance to >>>>> this prototype frame is that they didn't ream the steerer as deep as they >>>>> do for their production bikes, so I can't get the stem quite as low as I >>>>> wanted, but it's close enough that it doesn't warrant buying a new stem. >>>>> That said, I am actually quite floored by how much the Albatross brought >>>>> this bike to life for what I want from it. I've run these bars on a few >>>>> bikes but this is the best they've felt on any bike for me. It's feeling >>>>> very right to me now. I know it's meant to be a roadish bike but I'd >>>>> sooner >>>>> put drops on a Homer or Hillborne; to me this bike suits the Albatross so >>>>> perfectly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, 15 February 2022 at 19:46:08 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Photo from today's lunchtime loop. I will be performing a bar/stem >>>>>> swap between this bike and the Bombadil (which is 11cm Tallux and >>>>>> Albatross) as well as cabling etc, then I believe the bike is "done" for >>>>>> a >>>>>> bit. Oh, and a cheap dynamo front wheel because a commuter must have >>>>>> dynamo >>>>>> in my books. >>>>>> >>>>>> As much as I would not pick these tires for myself, I must admit >>>>>> they're pretty well suited to my needs (daily commuting and general >>>>>> getting >>>>>> around on pavement and hardpack paths) so I am going to do my best to >>>>>> leave >>>>>> them well enough alone. I was quite pleased to see they clear the VO >>>>>> Zeppelin fenders with plenty of room despite being at the top end of the >>>>>> fitment range. >>>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone tried shellac'ing over the padded Newbaums? Yay or nay? >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: PXL_20220215_222746275.jpg] >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, 14 February 2022 at 10:11:31 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Very cool, thank ya both! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:32:32 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At that point I really think it comes down to builds. A SH built up >>>>>>>> lightish could feel much more nimble and quick than a Gallop with full >>>>>>>> racks, fenders, heavy tires etc. I agree with Jason that built the >>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>> they would likely feel pretty similar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:22:18 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can't offer a very good A-B comparison based on their setups, >>>>>>>>> though they've both been set up with the Wavie bar at one point or >>>>>>>>> another, >>>>>>>>> but my feel so far is that they're not too different from one another >>>>>>>>> - I >>>>>>>>> noticed from the attached engineering drawings that the tubing is >>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>> similar spec, though a bit more flex built into the Charlie, and the >>>>>>>>> angles >>>>>>>>> are similar also (some math required on the CHG but it's HTA 71 / >>>>>>>>> 71.5 >>>>>>>>> STA). They both seem to possess that 'surprisingly quick considering >>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>> so comfortable' quality, but my belief is that it would be marginal >>>>>>>>> gains >>>>>>>>> at best going from a Sam to a CHG in terms of speed, with the same >>>>>>>>> setup. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:48 AM Eric Marth <eric...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Gallop riders – Does anyone have a take on the Gallop in >>>>>>>>>> contrast to an unloaded Hillborne with drops? I know Jason has a >>>>>>>>>> Hillborne >>>>>>>>>> but racked and fendered. Curious how they compare :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 9:31:56 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Killer! I can't wait to see it. Make sure to post it up here >>>>>>>>>>> when its done. The extra few mm of height on those mini-v's should >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> perfect. I have the Box mini's and they cleared a real world 48mm >>>>>>>>>>> tire with >>>>>>>>>>> just a touch of clearance. The extra bit of height should allow you >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> clear 50's. I plan to move to Rivendell V's when they are >>>>>>>>>>> available only >>>>>>>>>>> because I love the way they are looking from the early drawings and >>>>>>>>>>> such. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 9:17:25 AM UTC-5 Pancake wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Johny: yes, my friend was quick on the draw and got it for me >>>>>>>>>>>> because they knew it was my ideal version of a Charlie - gotta >>>>>>>>>>>> have those >>>>>>>>>>>> canti/v-brake posts. It’ll end up replacing my Sam Hillborne. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now Charlie’s sitting (ironically with no saddle) in my garage >>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for a few quick changes (replace the C15 narrow saddle >>>>>>>>>>>> with my >>>>>>>>>>>> Flyer imperial, add a rack and basket) before getting some >>>>>>>>>>>> commuter duty >>>>>>>>>>>> and a nice long ride next weekend… then more tinkering and changes >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> follow like: >>>>>>>>>>>> • Mini v-brakes (likely Shimano BR R353 with 90mm arch, taller >>>>>>>>>>>> than the Box Two or Three 85mm mini v’s), >>>>>>>>>>>> • Swapping for my Hillborne’s wheelset (first wheels I built) >>>>>>>>>>>> with G-One Allround 50mm tires >>>>>>>>>>>> • Dynamo lights, >>>>>>>>>>>> • 46/30t double crankset to a 11-40t cassette (which may >>>>>>>>>>>> require a wolftooth-like hanger extender), and >>>>>>>>>>>> • Kona Wah Wah pedals. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now I just need some spare time for wrenching … but I’ll >>>>>>>>>>>> probably spend that time riding my daughters around in the Rosco >>>>>>>>>>>> Baby bike >>>>>>>>>>>> instead. The highest form of productive procrastination. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Abe >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 11 February 2022 at 16:51:41 UTC-8 Johnny Alien >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pancake, so you got the third Gallop V1 prototype? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 7:18:18 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drop bar Sam checking in per David's request/comment ... soon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be replaced by another Proto Charlie (photos of that orange >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 57cm to come >>>>>>>>>>>>>> later). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_3134.JPG] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_7170.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic >>>>>>>>>> in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/j5vUNKjgsUE/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email >>>>>>>>>> to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c76ba657-1a75-47ac-8c8d-753a07704a5dn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c76ba657-1a75-47ac-8c8d-753a07704a5dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/j5vUNKjgsUE/unsubscribe >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1b907f7e-dad5-499b-853f-70db49af81e0n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1b907f7e-dad5-499b-853f-70db49af81e0n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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