An RB-1 is a relatively heavy bike especially in 59cm & up & I wouldn't be 
surprised if the Roadini is the same or possibly lighter. That said, I 
don't think that's a bad thing depending on the frame size, your personal 
pedaling style/power, weight, etc. When I was focused on only riding fast I 
had a 59cm frame with EL/OS tubing that was very thin walled, flexy, & 
light. I'm 6'1" & weighed 160lbs at the time & that bike was too whippy for 
me personally. It took getting a '93 RB-1 (62cm wouldn't fit a 32 btw)  to 
make me realize that I preferred a stiffer frame...also my average speed 
increased even though the bike didn't "plane" & was 2 lbs heavier. 

I'm glad Jan & that crew are doing their thing but the message can get 
tedious. I'm sure it works for some people but a lot of it seems to be 
presented in a one size fits all way. All that said there are a lot of 90s 
steel frames that will fit a 28. Plenty of affordable lugged Bianchis that 
will be lighter and less expensive than the RB-1. I also second the used 
aluminum recommendation. Even the new Cannondale Optimo has clearance for 
32s and, as long as a carbon fork doesn't freak you out, starts at 1k for a 
complete bike that's solidly spec'd and has rim brakes. 
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:27:12 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's sacrilege to say but if you want a zippy road bike as a compliment to 
> what you already have - a steel Rivendell road bike - for $1000 or less you 
> can scoop up an aluminum Trek/Cannondale/Specialized/Giant off Craigslist 
> and probably have a lot of fun. And you can test ride it! 
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:14:40 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
>> Riv and Blue Lug.
>>
>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations 
>> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun. 
>> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an 
>> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only 
>> bike!
>>
>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and those 
>> worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard that the 
>> Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>>
>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to 
>> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold 
>> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>
>

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