If the Roadini with its double oversized tubing is lighter than an RB1… I
would be very surprised. I’ve owned both, but probably 20 years apart. But
tall head tubes, long chainstays, and heavy tubing all add up quickly.

Eric

On Thursday, July 20, 2023, exliontamer <rollumh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> An RB-1 is a relatively heavy bike especially in 59cm & up & I wouldn't be
> surprised if the Roadini is the same or possibly lighter. That said, I
> don't think that's a bad thing depending on the frame size, your personal
> pedaling style/power, weight, etc. When I was focused on only riding fast I
> had a 59cm frame with EL/OS tubing that was very thin walled, flexy, &
> light. I'm 6'1" & weighed 160lbs at the time & that bike was too whippy for
> me personally. It took getting a '93 RB-1 (62cm wouldn't fit a 32 btw)  to
> make me realize that I preferred a stiffer frame...also my average speed
> increased even though the bike didn't "plane" & was 2 lbs heavier.
>
> I'm glad Jan & that crew are doing their thing but the message can get
> tedious. I'm sure it works for some people but a lot of it seems to be
> presented in a one size fits all way. All that said there are a lot of 90s
> steel frames that will fit a 28. Plenty of affordable lugged Bianchis that
> will be lighter and less expensive than the RB-1. I also second the used
> aluminum recommendation. Even the new Cannondale Optimo has clearance for
> 32s and, as long as a carbon fork doesn't freak you out, starts at 1k for a
> complete bike that's solidly spec'd and has rim brakes.
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:27:12 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It's sacrilege to say but if you want a zippy road bike as a compliment
>> to what you already have - a steel Rivendell road bike - for $1000 or less
>> you can scoop up an aluminum Trek/Cannondale/Specialized/Giant off
>> Craigslist and probably have a lot of fun. And you can test ride it!
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:14:40 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at
>>> Riv and Blue Lug.
>>>
>>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations
>>> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun.
>>> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an
>>> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only
>>> bike!
>>>
>>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and
>>> those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've
>>> heard that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
>>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever,
>>> from several folks in this group.
>>>
>>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to
>>> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold
>>> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>>
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