I think weight matters and one of the main reasons I LOVE looking at the 
Riv site and Riv bikes. but currently only own my Dad's AHH that was given 
to me when he passed.. I would never quibble over a couple pounds here or 
there, but reading through this thread and seeing the OP's 
frame/fork/wheels weigh 18# (if I read it correctly) is insane to me.. I 
fully believe a 15# weight difference WILL make a fairly big difference on 
a ride, esp one with hills.. at least for how I like to ride. I got my 
first Riv back in 2008ish and Grant certainly wasn't worrying about weight 
then as my Bleriot I had was certainly overbuilt for sure, but it wasn't 
too crazy.. 

Anyway, I'm certain I'm the outlier here in my thinking and that's ok, I 
still love looking at the classic Rivs and enjoy riding my Dad's AHH. 

Chris in Sonoma County 

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 7:49:52 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Which circles back to original post. Having disassembled my Silver crank I 
> have a new appreciation for it. It’s quite beautifully manufactured and now 
> lighter thanks to the aluminum chainring. White Industries square taper 
> crank in comparison is also beautiful & MUSA. But, complete with chainrings 
> weighs 624 grams & cost $521.00. Silver crank complete with chainguard 
> weighs 781 grams & cost $280.00. So for your extra $241.00 you save 157 
> grams or .346 lb.
> At the end of the day (kind of hate that phrase, not sure why?) as Riv 
> owners our frames are heavy especially in my case (Clem & Gus) as are our 
> wheels particularly if you are running larger tires & dynamo hubs. That 
> leaves the remainder of the components where any marginal gains are 
> expensive.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2024, at 9:09 AM, Sarah Carlson <sarahlik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Leah,  now you will probably chime in with me and Joe on the conversations 
> when we discuss how a crank can also be beautiful..... Because once you 
> recognize it you won't be able to unsee it!
>
> Sarah
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 4:04:25 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> You guys are going to make me want to fall down the rabbit hole again and 
>> find little ways to lighten up my raspberry Platypus. And I have now just 
>> practically sent an invitation for people to tell me that weight doesn’t 
>> matter and I should think about the engine (me) and so on  but not even 
>> they can discourage me! I can have one bike to be irrational about.
>>
>> I did do a version of this of the Formerly Mine Clem. I got aluminum bars 
>> and new wheels and tires, got rid of the basket rack and it did make a 
>> difference. I was riding that thing for all purposes, including for fast 
>> exercise kind of rides. Dumb, but whatever. 
>>
>> I don’t know about this White Industries stuff but I suppose I’ll go read 
>> about them now.
>> Thanks a lot you guys. Yikes.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 6:13:09 AM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> This thread made me finally weigh my 59cm Susie and it came in 15.9kg. 
>>> which is more than I thought tbh. It would be 17kg normally I guess but 
>>> currently doesn't have front rack and basket.
>>> There are a lot of places I could save weight I suppose. I have straight 
>>> guage spokes, and b17 flyer, dyno with rear light. The R14 weighs over 
>>> 800grams, the old M565 LX hub is hefty...
>>> Oh dear...
>>>
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