I am not a weight weenie. I will take the beauty over the weight. I have 
enough low gears to not even think about. 

Kim Hetzel
...loving my beautiful retirement bicycle. 

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 9:50:38 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It's interesting to view a moderately weight weenie thread on this list!  
> expect 
> Rivendell make their frames as heavy as they are largely to avoid breakage 
> and resulting costs of return or repairs; that's a guess. 
>
> But reviewers of even the Clem, which I gather from list discussions is 
> built with heavier tubing than the Platypus, describe it as feeling agile 
> and fast; I recall Patrick O'Grady's very favorable review of his new Clem 
> some years ago I can't find it right now but I did come across a surprising 
> number of positive reviews of the Clem in the -- well, perhaps not 
> mainstream but certainly not RBW-list media.
>
> I do think weight matters to how fast (or to put the same thing another 
> way, how easy to pedal) a bike *feels,* but IME it's not the only or even 
> the most determining factor, as some of the fastest "feeling" bikes I've 
> owned have been relative tanks, and even had rather heavy wheels, tho' none 
> had f+f+wheels. weighing 18 lb.
>
> But I've certainly owned frames much lighter than Rivendells that seemed 
> as able to carry loads and be durable and, in some cases, consistently feel 
> faster than the Rivs they replaced - tho' I've owned heavy frames that also 
> felt faster than comparable Rivendells.
>
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 10:19 AM Chris Fly <four...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ... I fully believe a 15# weight difference WILL make a fairly big 
>> difference on a ride, esp one with hills.. at least for how I like to ride. 
>> I got my first Riv back in 2008ish and Grant certainly wasn't worrying 
>> about weight then as my Bleriot I had was certainly overbuilt for sure, but 
>> it wasn't too crazy.. 
>
>
>> Anyway, I'm certain I'm the outlier here in my thinking and that's ok, I 
>> still love looking at the classic Rivs and enjoy riding my Dad's AHH. 
>>
>> Chris in Sonoma County 
>>
>

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