If I may, point is you enjoyed it.  IMHO keeping track of your avg speed, HR
etc., is OK if you want to test yourself and such, just don't make it an
obsession, or get bummed if you have an off day or your avg suffers because
you stopped to look at stuff.

Been asking everyone this-what area are you riding in?

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:49 AM, clyde canter <clyde.can...@gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm glad I read this.  I've been a "bicycler"( I love that
> description...thanks Grant P)  for the past 22 years. I've never raced and
> found early on that group rides weren't for me.  I've never been fast
> (15-17mph avg at best..usually 13-14) and found that trying to go above that
> took the fun out of riding for me.
> I hit the big 5-0 Saturday and it hit me like a boot to the groin (mentally
> at least).  I was however able to do a wonderful 77 mile ride on my GP
> designed Sam Hill.
> I Rode to two neighboring towns and back, some mixed terrain, stopped for
> lunch (had my first bison burger, great, even though a bit too heavy for a
> mid ride break). Total time a bit over 6 hours. Time on bike 5 1/2 hours or
> so. Point is I finished.  It was the longest ride of my life.  I feel I
> could have easily done another 23 miles for a solo century, but I had
> commitments and had to stop at that.
>
> Sunday I was able to get out and do a 50 mile all road ride on my Ram. Lots
> of curvy roads and fast descents (Jack Brown greens are unbelievable).  I
> recouped pretty well from Saturday's ride and pushed myself pretty hard.
> When I got home I logged my miles and started to flip through my computer to
> the avg speed, but decided what the hell and cleared the trip out.  I guess
> I didn't really want to know how fast or slow I was. I had an awesome time
> and that was all that mattered.
>
> I guess the point I'm trying to make is this.  I'm so thankful I didn't let
> my slowness discourage me over the years.  Bicycler-ing for its own sake has
> always been what I looked forward to the most when the weather was nice.
> And even when it wasn't so nice. I love it as much today as I did 22 years
> and 80 some K miles ago.
>
> As for Grant Petersen designed bikes I can honestly say they are my
> favorites.  Ride quality, aesthetics, the whole picture.  They are truly a
> pleasure to own and use.  They are the benchmark I set to gauge all other
> bikes I own and ride. I'm quite fond of my other bikes too, but they are
> certainly no Rivendells. Thanks Grant!
>
> Sorry to ramble on,
> Clyde (1/2 century old bicycler who lives among non bicyclers,who wanted to
> share his experiences with other bicyclers) Canter
>
>
>
> n Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 3:17 PM, robert zeidler 
> <zeidler.rob...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Well said my friend and this is what I failed to say earlier.  Unless
>> you're racing for the rent money, it is completely and totally about how you
>> feel.  If you are 1/2 slower on a metric century, but had a great time,
>> that's what counts.
>>
>> Speaking of Jan, whom I really respect, but nonetheless, he says rando's
>> aren't racing but that's what they are doing.  I stopped racing waaaay back
>> in '92-it was time.  It took a while to get it out of my blood.  I still
>> like going fast, but when I ride a century or a double metric, I make sure
>> there is a lot of fun mixed in.  If I want to snap a pic I do it.  Were are
>> all going to end up in the same place eventually.  Think it will matter who
>> got there first? (just a litl joke!).
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Noel <emiller3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A one pound weight difference in a frame actually indicates a fairly
>>> significant difference in tubing thickness. Speaking only for myself,
>>> significant differences in tubing thicknesses make for significant
>>> differences in ride quality.
>>>
>>> Now, I don't exactly agree with Jan's "planing" hypothesis, and I
>>> don't feel I'm any faster or slower on bikes with thicker or thinner
>>> tubing, but I do indeed prefer the "feel" (how's that for an objective
>>> measurement?) of thinner wall tubing. Heavy gauge tubing (meaning
>>> anything over .9/.7/.9) of standard diameter and *any* gauge OS tubing
>>> feels wooden and dead to me - "thudding" is  a pretty good
>>> description, IMO. I personally find that a mix of .8/.5/.8 and .
>>> 9/.7/.9 standard diameter makes for a lively frame - and I'm 200
>>> pounds on a 63 cm. frame.
>>>
>>> Weight? Don't know and don't care. If I wanted light I'd by a Madone.
>>> All I care about is ride quality, and I agree that Grant/Riv are
>>> building frames out of such heavy tubing that ride quality suffers -
>>> even with my beloved Grand Bois Hetres. Thankfully, enough people
>>> disagree with me that Rivendell is able to keep its doors open!
>>>
>>> Noel
>>> Orange County, CA.
>>>
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