Well said my friend and this is what I failed to say earlier.  Unless you're
racing for the rent money, it is completely and totally about how you feel.
 If you are 1/2 slower on a metric century, but had a great time, that's
what counts.

Speaking of Jan, whom I really respect, but nonetheless, he says rando's
aren't racing but that's what they are doing.  I stopped racing waaaay back
in '92-it was time.  It took a while to get it out of my blood.  I still
like going fast, but when I ride a century or a double metric, I make sure
there is a lot of fun mixed in.  If I want to snap a pic I do it.  Were are
all going to end up in the same place eventually.  Think it will matter who
got there first? (just a litl joke!).

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Noel <[email protected]> wrote:

> A one pound weight difference in a frame actually indicates a fairly
> significant difference in tubing thickness. Speaking only for myself,
> significant differences in tubing thicknesses make for significant
> differences in ride quality.
>
> Now, I don't exactly agree with Jan's "planing" hypothesis, and I
> don't feel I'm any faster or slower on bikes with thicker or thinner
> tubing, but I do indeed prefer the "feel" (how's that for an objective
> measurement?) of thinner wall tubing. Heavy gauge tubing (meaning
> anything over .9/.7/.9) of standard diameter and *any* gauge OS tubing
> feels wooden and dead to me - "thudding" is  a pretty good
> description, IMO. I personally find that a mix of .8/.5/.8 and .
> 9/.7/.9 standard diameter makes for a lively frame - and I'm 200
> pounds on a 63 cm. frame.
>
> Weight? Don't know and don't care. If I wanted light I'd by a Madone.
> All I care about is ride quality, and I agree that Grant/Riv are
> building frames out of such heavy tubing that ride quality suffers -
> even with my beloved Grand Bois Hetres. Thankfully, enough people
> disagree with me that Rivendell is able to keep its doors open!
>
> Noel
> Orange County, CA.
>
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