I agree. I have a Rambouillet, Hilsen, Quickbeam, and a Specialize Roubaix. 
While none of the Riv's are close to the 16 pound Roubaix (although the Ram 
comes in at 19 pounds), I find I'm  mainly picking the Riv's for long hilly 
rides. For the recent 1000k brevet in Tn I rode Homer.
Bill
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On Nov 21, 2010, at 2:13 PM, JimD <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm not Noel but here's my take
> 
> I've have/had the following rivs:
> Romulus, Bleriot, Saluki, and a Riv custom.
> I also have a Madone.
> 
> I've never found these Rivs to suffer in ride quality.
> I guess the Romulus seemed a bit more robust than the custom, but I 
> chose/choose any of the Rivs
> over the Madone for rides longer than 50 miles.  The custom rides so nicely 
> that I choose it over all others
> for any ride of any length.
> 
> I suspect that the custom has tubing pretty much akin to the Roadeo and the 
> custom is the nicest riding bike
> I've had the pleasure to experience in my > 30 years of riding.
> 
> -JimD
> 
> 
> On Nov 21, 2010, at 10:43 AM, CycloFiend wrote:
> 
>> on 11/21/10 10:31 AM, Noel at [email protected] wrote:
>> 
>>> Weight? Don't know and don't care. If I wanted light I'd by a Madone.
>>> All I care about is ride quality, and I agree that Grant/Riv are
>>> building frames out of such heavy tubing that ride quality suffers -
>>> even with my beloved Grand Bois Hetres.
>> 
>> Which frame are you riding?
>> 
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