If you are in the market for a $1000 range cyclocross frameset with
optimal mud clearance, I agree that the Soma San Marcos is not your
best choice.  Nor is the Hillborne.

On Apr 7, 3:08 pm, Aaron Thomas <aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wish the Riv/Soma frame didn't have Riv's new "signature" kickstand plate.
> I recall seeing a photo of someone's Hilsen (maybe Cyclofiend's?) that had
> been CX-raced in the mud. And the kickstand plate acted as a mud shelf,
> piling it up high behind the seat tube.
>
> The kickstand plate seems to limit the versatility of the frame, without
> really giving you any significant benefits. After all, you can always add a
> kickstand to a frame without a plate. But you can't take a plate off a frame
> without labors that would require a re-paint. Other than convenience for
> those who use kickstands, what's to be gained by having the built-in plate?
> I just don't get it.
>
> I've often been tempted by the Hillborne, but I balk because of that darned
> kickstand plate, which is entirely useless to me, and would likely only be a
> liability given the sometimes-mucky off-roading I'd want to do on it.

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