On Sun, 2012-12-09 at 08:57 -0800, charlie wrote:
> I have done that before however not yesterday but... my observation
> is, if I'm going so slow that my hub generator doesn't light my
> headlamp I may as well get off and walk. 

I don't know at what speed your hub generator won't light your light,
but with a bike with high wheel flop you would probably notice wandering
and the tendency to dart unpredictably from side to side at 4 mph
climbing a 12% grade in a gear in the low 20s.  On the same grade I
think you would be hard pressed to walk at 2 mph on that same grade, and
maybe when you got done smacking your ankle against the pedal, etc.,
might end up averaging something like 1.5 mph.  At least, that's been my
experience.

> I can see how a heavily loaded front end might cause wheel flop going
> super slow and for a front load only 'Rando rider' that might not be
> ideal.....

Wheel flop is not caused by load on the front, it's caused by geometry.

> I just balance the load front and rear putting my heavy tool roll,
> spare tube etc. under the saddle and my light load; rain jacket,
> phone, wallet, food etc. up front. It seems to work. I guess my point
> is one can adapt with a little planning and the Sam Hillborne handles
> perfectly fine downhill and up if that is done.

The adaptations you mention will in all probably mitigate the condition.
However, you can still be surprised even with little to no load: I
recall climbing one 14% grade with no more than 3 lb load, all in a
Carradice, on my Rambouillet when after having to constantly wiggle the
bars to keep the bike going straight against its tendency to veer
sideways, the bike suddenly went left at 90 degrees, straight across the
road.  I managed to stop and dismount before going off the left
shoulder, and fortunately it was a very lightly trafficked road, so no
oncoming cars.




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