Colorado Patrick here. Riding barefoot I quickly learned midfoot is most 
comfortable and yes, the difference in power is astonishing. I actually 
took your post to mean what you describe below, and was puzzled when 
other's didn't follow. That should likely scare both of us! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 1:28:10 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
> Well Patrick,   I was using 175's at the time and I started using a mid 
> foot position over the pedal .   It felt wonderful but it also felt like I 
> was using really looooong cranks !   I used to use 185's and this felt 
> longer .  So that's when the short cranks came to mind.  I found some 
> people used short cranks, and some people used a mid foot position, but no 
> one combined them that I heard of  !  So .... why not me ? !!   It was love 
> at first spin .... lol.   ahaahahahahah !!  It took a week or so to really 
> dial in the saddle height, which was only about 5-7mm more than with the 
> 175's because with a mid food position you lessen the overall reach to the 
> pedal. It's just so fun to spin *and* have great leverage !   I noticed I 
> was better using what power I do have, and after days of lots of climbs I 
> was never sore-ish the next day like I would often feel before. Now of 
> course .. all this is highly subjective to me ... but nonetheless it's 
> wonderful :) 
>
>
> All I can say is try it.  start with a mid foot position on one of your 
> bikes and play with it. (You have to lower the saddle a bit on a bike with 
> your regular cranks) . It simply feels super efficient ... almost like more 
> standing on the pedals but you're sitting, but not really(if that makes 
> sense !).  All I can say is try it and you'll either experience it or not 
> !!  Everyone has their way that works for them.
>
> Oh, you need some flat bottomed shoes. Stiffer works better for this .. I 
> use classic Birkenstock Arizona and Bostons. Chaco's would work well too, 
> as would about "boat" style shoe . 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 10:28:54 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> And Garth, ever gnomic, uttered: "What would it feel like to have the 
>> leverage of long cranks yet still be able to spin like short ones ?  Lo and 
>> behold ... this came to my mind to try and it's better than I even imagined 
>> !!! "
>>
>> O, unfathomable Garth: explain thyself to us of mere mortal ken: how, 
>> exactly, dost thou get long-crank leverage while you spin like short ones?
>>
>> 152s? Really? or was this an April Fools' joke that got held up?
>>
>> Me, I found that 175s on a low gear were horribly annoying to spin and 
>> got rid of them. I use 170s, more or less, on everything.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Garth <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Experimenting on myself, all "formulas" for crank length are bunk !   
>>> lol  lol    Yes, I said it !    I followed them , like "they" say, and I 
>>> have found using shorter ones to be absolutely puuuurfect , for Me !   And 
>>> yes .... I need please no one but me ... who else is there ?  lol  
>>>
>>> I use Sugino XD 152's .  I have a 36" inseam and size 15 feet.  I use a 
>>> mid foot position over the pedal ... another one of those "myths" I tested 
>>> and debunked .  I get the speed of a short crank with the leverage of a 
>>> long one with this way of riding ... and it came out by imagining it !!  
>>> What would it feel like to have the leverage of long cranks yet still be 
>>> able to spin like short ones ?  Lo and behold ... this came to my mind to 
>>> try and it's better than I even imagined !!!   
>>>
>>> I could use even shorter ones, but these are fine for now as I am at the 
>>> limits of bar height with my Bombadil already. 
>>> The 152 XD's come with 24/36/50 rings and are spaced as 7/8 speed.  Yes, 
>>> the rings are spaced wider than the longer XD's. 
>>>  
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