Patrick - we learn together. When you are comfortable with constant rain, back and forth, exert and sweat/rest, you are doing well. And when you can do that in the difficult temperatures of 50 - 60 degrees I think you have success. Bob
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamontg...@mac.com> wrote: > Exactly, Bob. You are clearly ahead of my slow learning curve. I wish I'd > found this 15 years ago (when the Nikwax analogy first came out, though the > blending with the ventile is fairly new). Paramo make a nylon version of > the same concept if you prefer nylon (Hilltrek sells it, not sure if anyone > in the US does). I prever the ventile for it's soft, quiet, and hearty > wear. From my own (so far short) experience and from reading up on how this > system works, it is ideal for wet or dry conditions below 60-70˚F, all the > way down however far you want to go just by adding additional layers. > Sitting around camp at 60-65˚F, I put it on over my thin wool t-shirt when > it got cloudy and windy. Happy as a clam. Previously I'd have used a wool > layer for that. Then it would start to rain, with more wind. I was fine > until about 50˚F, when I put on a wool layer or two. Coming out this > morning, I cycled out with my Riv. Aussie wool long sleeve shirt under the > Cotton Analogy jacket. I sweated a lot going up the hills, then waited for > my daughter to walk her bike up and we'd rest together. The constant rain, > back and forth, exert and sweat/rest and cool down never felt wet or clammy > or cold. Warm and toasty and dry the whole time. > > Before ordering from Hilltrek, I asked Dave and Grant about that double > ventile cycling jacket. It's not going to happen, but they were curious to > know how I liked this system when I got it. It would be great if they would > carry some of this stuff. Hilltrek has a cycling specific jacket, but for > my multi-murpose use, I preferred the smock. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > > On Monday, July 15, 2013 8:15:33 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote: > >> In the 90s Americans climbing in Scotland were frustrated with their >> mountaineering gear made for cold dry conditions. They were getting >> drenched with sweat during exertion and then freezing when they slowed >> down, They noticed that the Scottish climbers were using a very different >> clothing system for their unique climate. Instead of bomb-proof waterproof >> fabrics they went with a highly breathable exterior fabric and a wicking >> pile on the interior. The "Scottish system" was much discussed in the late >> 90s because it was counter to all the major trends of waterproof and seam >> sealed. I know that much of the story because my all time favorite jacket >> for strenuous activities in cold wet weather is a Patagonia Infurno, which >> was Patagonia's take on the Scottish system. Sounds like from Deacon's note >> that he finds the system good for cool to cold and wet riding. I do as >> well. Grant was working on a Ventile jacket. I remember at least one >> picture of him wearing a trial version. I don't know if the project >> continues. >> >> For hot and humid with rain I wear shorts and seersucker or a wicking >> t-shirt. >> >> Bob (Indianapolis) >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com> wrote: >> >>> For 70+˚F and high humidity with rain, I would wear shorts and t-shirt. >>> Colorado's mountains don't get that combo. Storms drop us to 50-60 or >>> lower. So we may start out at 80, but cool down fast with the storm. >>> Scotland has used boiled, lanolined wool for hundreds of years at least for >>> cold/wet combo. >>> >>> With abandon, >>> Patrick >>> >>> >>> On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:36:07 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: >>>> >>>> It is in the 80's - 100's here in MD with high humidity in the summer. >>>>> >>>> I am basically drenched in sweat when riding until fall, when it gets >>>> back into the 50's. So I think that means no breatheable stuff will matter >>>> in those conditions of summer. >>>> >>>> It was around 100 I think on Saturday when I got caught in a shower. >>>> But I didn't want to ride under my poncho because I was already boiling >>>> over, and the plastic would have made matters worse I think. >>>> >>>> I wonder what people did back in the day before all the technology for >>>> breatheable stuff we have now? >>>> >>>> I guess just got sweaty. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. >>> >>> Visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunch<http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch> >>> . >>> For more options, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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