I think you are correct about the jacket being a bargain if it keeps you warn and dry. In the mountains it is too easy to go from cold and wet to real trouble.
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Deacon Patrick <lamontg...@mac.com> wrote: > Indeed, Bob. What frustrates me is I've long asked local and national > experts about how to not get wet from sweat but stay dry. They all talked > up their systems of choice, but none of them actually work in use. The > "hypothermia" zone is especially dangerous from 25˚F - 60˚F. Add in wet at > those temps and core body temp can drop dangerously low dangerously fast. > For me, that's the intended temp range for with I bought this jacket -- > anything above or below that and I already have systems to handle it. It's > a bonus that it works great below that too. At $390 it seems pricy for a > rain jacket (though in line with the lowish end of the upper end of > Goretex), but a bargain when I consider that I can now be out in anything > doing what I love to do. Yeah, I'm excited. And no doubt the Colorado Trail > (or any alpine high altitude) has the potential to be wet and in the 30's > in the middle of summer. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > > On Monday, July 15, 2013 9:04:35 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote: > >> Patrick - we learn together. When you are comfortable with constant >> rain, back and forth, exert and sweat/rest, you are doing well. And when >> you can do that in the difficult temperatures of 50 - 60 degrees I think >> you have success. Bob >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com>wrote: >> >>> Exactly, Bob. You are clearly ahead of my slow learning curve. I wish >>> I'd found this 15 years ago (when the Nikwax analogy first came out, though >>> the blending with the ventile is fairly new). Paramo make a nylon version >>> of the same concept if you prefer nylon (Hilltrek sells it, not sure if >>> anyone in the US does). I prever the ventile for it's soft, quiet, and >>> hearty wear. From my own (so far short) experience and from reading up on >>> how this system works, it is ideal for wet or dry conditions below 60-70˚F, >>> all the way down however far you want to go just by adding additional >>> layers. Sitting around camp at 60-65˚F, I put it on over my thin wool >>> t-shirt when it got cloudy and windy. Happy as a clam. Previously I'd have >>> used a wool layer for that. Then it would start to rain, with more wind. I >>> was fine until about 50˚F, when I put on a wool layer or two. Coming out >>> this morning, I cycled out with my Riv. Aussie wool long sleeve shirt under >>> the Cotton Analogy jacket. I sweated a lot going up the hills, then waited >>> for my daughter to walk her bike up and we'd rest together. The constant >>> rain, back and forth, exert and sweat/rest and cool down never felt wet or >>> clammy or cold. Warm and toasty and dry the whole time. >>> >>> Before ordering from Hilltrek, I asked Dave and Grant about that double >>> ventile cycling jacket. It's not going to happen, but they were curious to >>> know how I liked this system when I got it. It would be great if they would >>> carry some of this stuff. Hilltrek has a cycling specific jacket, but for >>> my multi-murpose use, I preferred the smock. >>> >>> With abandon, >>> Patrick >>> >>> >>> On Monday, July 15, 2013 8:15:33 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote: >>> >>>> In the 90s Americans climbing in Scotland were frustrated with their >>>> mountaineering gear made for cold dry conditions. They were getting >>>> drenched with sweat during exertion and then freezing when they slowed >>>> down, They noticed that the Scottish climbers were using a very different >>>> clothing system for their unique climate. Instead of bomb-proof waterproof >>>> fabrics they went with a highly breathable exterior fabric and a wicking >>>> pile on the interior. The "Scottish system" was much discussed in the late >>>> 90s because it was counter to all the major trends of waterproof and seam >>>> sealed. I know that much of the story because my all time favorite jacket >>>> for strenuous activities in cold wet weather is a Patagonia Infurno, which >>>> was Patagonia's take on the Scottish system. Sounds like from Deacon's note >>>> that he finds the system good for cool to cold and wet riding. I do as >>>> well. Grant was working on a Ventile jacket. I remember at least one >>>> picture of him wearing a trial version. I don't know if the project >>>> continues. >>>> >>>> For hot and humid with rain I wear shorts and seersucker or a wicking >>>> t-shirt. >>>> >>>> Bob (Indianapolis) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> For 70+˚F and high humidity with rain, I would wear shorts and >>>>> t-shirt. Colorado's mountains don't get that combo. Storms drop us to >>>>> 50-60 >>>>> or lower. So we may start out at 80, but cool down fast with the storm. >>>>> Scotland has used boiled, lanolined wool for hundreds of years at least >>>>> for >>>>> cold/wet combo. >>>>> >>>>> With abandon, >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:36:07 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is in the 80's - 100's here in MD with high humidity in the summer. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I am basically drenched in sweat when riding until fall, when it gets >>>>>> back into the 50's. So I think that means no breatheable stuff will >>>>>> matter >>>>>> in those conditions of summer. >>>>>> >>>>>> It was around 100 I think on Saturday when I got caught in a shower. >>>>>> But I didn't want to ride under my poncho because I was already boiling >>>>>> over, and the plastic would have made matters worse I think. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder what people did back in the day before all the technology >>>>>> for breatheable stuff we have now? >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess just got sweaty. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups**.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. >>>>> >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group** >>>>> /rbw-owners-bunch <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch>. >>>>> For more options, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/**grou**ps/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. >>> Visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunch<http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch> >>> . >>> For more options, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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