ceci n'est pas une Bombadil: http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/4494454218/
On 1/8/14, Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Quote from Sheldon (AASHTA): > > According to Sheldon, a mixte is: > > "A style of lady's <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_l.html#ladys> frame > in which the "top tube > <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_ta-o.html#toptube>" > consists of a pair of small diameter tubes running more-or-less straight > from the upper head lug <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_l.html#lug>, > past the seat tube <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_sa-o.html#seattube>, > and on to the rear fork > ends<http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_e-f.html#forkend>. > A mixte frame thus has 3 sets of rear stays, instead of the usual two. *A > variant on the mixte uses a single, full sized top tube running from the > upper head tube to the seat tube, but retains the middle set of stays*. A > lady's type bike that lacks the middle pair of stays is not a mixte." > > > In other words, Sheldon defines a Rivendell as a variant of a mixte. The > third set of stays is the critical part that supports the seat tube and > makes it a mixte. A Rivendell has the middle set of stays, and happens to > have a full size top tube. Anybody who says a Rivendell is not a mixte and > > uses Sheldon to defend their position, does not understand Sheldon's > definition. > > > > > On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 3:56:30 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote: >> >> Sheldon does not appear to support his "true mixte" definition, except the >> >> implicit support of "Sheldon says so." >> For the most part, that's enough for me, but does anyone have a French >> source to differentiate solid-tubed step-through frames as being not a >> "mixte?" I always wondered if it was a sly way to gauge his own influence >> >> on the internet, and see how far an unsupported assertion can go, and >> where >> it might pop up in a Google search. >> >> Philip (long have I wondered this) >> www.biketinker.com >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 9:16:29 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote: >>> >>> I've noticed that kink as well. I also prefer the look of a single >>> diagonal line; that's why the diagatube Bombadil and Appaloosa look so >>> good. >>> >>> According to Sheldon Brown et al, in a true "mixte" frame the diagonal >>> element is actually two stays from rear dropout to head tube. Has Riv >>> ever >>> considered doing a true mixte? >>> >>> http://sheldonbrown.com/images/mixte-supercourse.jpg >>> >>> Although, I'd bet that suitable tubing would be a custom order, as the >>> mixte diagatubes are usually seat stay diameter but quite long. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Letton <let...@flash.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe it has to do with the angles of available lugs? >>>> cheers, >>>> Andrew >>>> (Painstakingly pecked out on my iPhone; please pardon my brevity and >>>> tpyos.) >>>> >>>> On Jan 8, 2014, at 8:27, BSWP <asht...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> There's a picture of a 60cm Betty Foy on Riv's blug, and it's the first >>>> >>>> I remember seeing where the top/diaga-tube looks to meet its rear >>>> counterparts in a clean straight line. On others, and I guess smaller >>>> sized >>>> frames, the top tube meets the rear tubes with a slight kink. Again, I >>>> must >>>> not have paid attention to other images, or to the frames in person. But >>>> >>>> why the difference? Is it to keep the step-through height of the top >>>> tube >>>> identical across frame sizes? It's no doubt identical in rigidity and >>>> stoutness, but quite different in appearance, one size to another. 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