I'm eager to see the NBA's new Robot Refs, the ones that don't always give
the benefit of the call to the more established players.




On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think that data like this will eventually force a change to
> umpiring.  It may not be public, but there's no way people are going
> to ignore this data, especially in the playoffs.
>
> Obviously Wake had a smaller strike zone because he's a knuckleball
> pitcher, not a control pitcher.  The ump will give that ever-expanding
> corner to a control pitcher with a good reputation, thus turning
> baseball into something like figure skating.
>
> Ray
>
>
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Beaudoin, John
>  <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The ump didn’t give Toronto the corners either.
> >
> > Look at the picture again.  It’s the old “strike zone turned on its side”
> > thing we used to deal with.
> >
> > And why do they have a square as the strike zone.  Clearly, it should be
> a
> > vertically oriented rectangle unless someone is 5’2” or shorter.
> >
> >
> >
> > Even though it was on it’s side, the ump clearly expanded the strike zone
> > horizontally for Toronto.
> >
> >
> >
> > Don’t forget that Wakefield was pitching.  Nothing in or out mid-height.
> >  There’s clearly a bunch of pitches low and to the right, but almost none
> > high and outside or inside.  Big gaping holes.  Must be on purpose.  I
> think
> > those are great balls to hit and clearly the pitchers don’t want to go
> > there.
> >
> >
> >
> > I want to see this graph for every game.
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi
> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:45 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Oh well....
> >
> >
> >
> > I still don't understand how an arbitrary strike zone is supposed to add
> to
> > the game.  It kills me wheni hear Orel Hersheiser (who did a great job
> > Sunday) say that Lester needed to "train the ump" or will get a low ball
> > called a strike because "he has great control"
> >
> > On May 13, 2010, at 5:17 AM, "Beaudoin, John" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Really cool data.
> >
> > But why isn’t Ortiz’s data on the big data map?  Try to find his 7th
> pitch.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan DiBiase
> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:35 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Oh well....
> >
> >
> >
> > Interesting.....
> >
> >
> http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/05/dale_scotts_str.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan D
> > Central NJ USA
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 6:59:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: Oh well....
> >
> > Steve G is right. The strike zone was an extra 18 inches wide. The whole
> "as
> > long as the umpire is consistent" thing is all fine and good, but batters
> > couldn't even reach what was being called a strike.
> >
> > Steve O
> >
> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > There were about a dozen screw you calls then
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beaudoin, John
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:56 PM
> >
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Oh well....
> >
> >
> >
> > Okay, but technology wasn't needed for that one. That was a "screw you"
> > call.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Wed May 12 18:20:45 2010
> > Subject: RE: Oh well....
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't get me started on my "Dump the Umps" tirade again.  MLB needs to
> step
> > up and solve this problem.  The technology we have today just keeps
> making
> > them look bad.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan DiBiase
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:18 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Oh well....
> >
> > I just saw the ball that was called a strike on Papi in the 9th. That had
> to
> > be the worst strike call I have ever seen.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan D
> > Central NJ USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 6:49:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: Oh well....
> >
> > Man, there was some really, really terrible strike calls out there today.
> > Balls that were 18 inches off the plate. Exhibit A in the case for using
> > computers to call balls and strikes.
> >
> > Steve O
> >
> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > ...a 7-3 homestand ain't half bad. Just gotta keep winning series.....
> Wake
> > did a great job in his spot-start.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan D
> > Central NJ USA
> >
> >
> >
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