Well, Pete Abraham is not someone I'd label 'PC' generally..... But while I agree that calls do tend to even out, they don't if you take the situation into consideration, as I noted earlier. The NUMBER of good/bad calls would probably even out over 162 games, but not the IMPACT.
Isn't the Questec system supposed to address this whole thing? Is it deployed at every park now, for every game, or still just selected parks/random games? Dan D Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: "Beaudoin, John" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 10:06:39 AM Subject: RE: Oh well.... Good points Ray. But, as you just saw, the guy who wrote that article with data went way out of his way to make excuses for the umps and extrapolate that it must even out over time. That guy is no reporter. ________________________________ From:[email protected] [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 10:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Oh well.... I'd love to dump the umps for balls and strikes, let the ump respond to a tone in his ear and he can still make the call. Barring that, I'd like to see MLB set a standard for accuracy among Umps. If you want to be in the Show you need 98% accuracy on your calls, or some number like that. I think that sports writers could actually do something useful here with the internet. They could post stats for all the umps as the season goes on. This would also create pressure to improve accuracy. Ray On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: I might be ready to dump the umps for balls and strikes, but probably not for other stuff. I'm okay with reviews for stuff if it is in the play-offs, but I'm not okay for reviews in every game unless they do something to speed up the game. Maybe instead of calling balls and strikes, the Home Plate ump can time the pitcher like a shot clock. LOL Okay, just kidding. Real feeling is that the umps are out to get the Sox. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Gendron Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Oh well.... Interesting data on balls and strikes. This is what I mean when I said that technology makes these guys look really bad. The article accompanying the data says the following: "In the end, the umpires are people and they make mistakes or have bad days. Over the course of the season there are probably a handful of games when the Sox get the sharp end of the stick and a handful of games when they benefit from bad calls. Over 162, it evens out." No! I don't buy this "it evens out" argument. Has anybody ever measured this? And some calls have much higher consequence than others. In my opinion, these inaccuracies detract from the game rather than making it more "colorful". We have the technology to get the calls right. Let's use it. Dump the umps! Steve G -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Oh well.... You'll have them as soon as there's a computer that can show, objectively, whether the foul happened. But there isn't so basketball must suffer. It's going to be interesting to see umps respond to pitch-by-pitch analysis of how much they suck. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm eager to see the NBA's new Robot Refs, the ones that don't always > give the benefit of the call to the more established players. > > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I think that data like this will eventually force a change to >> umpiring. It may not be public, but there's no way people are going >> to ignore this data, especially in the playoffs. >> >> Obviously Wake had a smaller strike zone because he's a knuckleball >> pitcher, not a control pitcher. The ump will give that >> ever-expanding corner to a control pitcher with a good reputation, >> thus turning baseball into something like figure skating. >> >> Ray >> >> >> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Beaudoin, John >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > The ump didn't give Toronto the corners either. >> > >> > Look at the picture again. It's the old "strike zone turned on its >> > side" >> > thing we used to deal with. >> > >> > And why do they have a square as the strike zone. Clearly, it >> > should be a vertically oriented rectangle unless someone is 5'2" or >> > shorter. >> > >> > >> > >> > Even though it was on it's side, the ump clearly expanded the >> > strike zone horizontally for Toronto . >> > >> > >> > >> > Don't forget that Wakefield was pitching. Nothing in or out mid-height. >> > There's clearly a bunch of pitches low and to the right, but >> > almost none high and outside or inside. Big gaping holes. Must be >> > on purpose. I think those are great balls to hit and clearly the >> > pitchers don't want to go there. >> > >> > >> > >> > I want to see this graph for every game. >> > >> > >> > >> > John >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:45 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: Oh well.... >> > >> > >> > >> > I still don't understand how an arbitrary strike zone is supposed >> > to add to the game. It kills me wheni hear Orel Hersheiser (who >> > did a great job >> > Sunday) say that Lester needed to "train the ump" or will get a low >> > ball called a strike because "he has great control" >> > >> > On May 13, 2010, at 5:17 AM, "Beaudoin, John" >> > <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Really cool data. >> > >> > But why isn't Ortiz's data on the big data map? Try to find his >> > 7th pitch. >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan DiBiase >> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:35 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: Oh well.... >> > >> > >> > >> > Interesting..... >> > >> > >> > http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/201 >> > 0/05/dale_scotts_str.html >> > >> > >> > >> > Dan D >> > Central NJ USA >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] >> > Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 6:59:26 AM >> > Subject: Re: Oh well.... >> > >> > Steve G is right. The strike zone was an extra 18 inches wide. The >> > whole "as long as the umpire is consistent" thing is all fine and >> > good, but batters couldn't even reach what was being called a >> > strike. >> > >> > Steve O >> > >> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > There were about a dozen screw you calls then >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beaudoin, >> > John >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:56 PM >> > >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: Oh well.... >> > >> > >> > >> > Okay, but technology wasn't needed for that one. That was a "screw you" >> > call. >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: [email protected] >> > <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] >> > <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Wed May 12 18:20:45 2010 >> > Subject: RE: Oh well.... >> > >> > >> > >> > Don't get me started on my "Dump the Umps" tirade again. MLB needs >> > to step up and solve this problem. The technology we have today >> > just keeps making them look bad. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan DiBiase >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:18 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: Oh well.... >> > >> > I just saw the ball that was called a strike on Papi in the 9th. >> > That had to be the worst strike call I have ever seen. >> > >> > >> > >> > Dan D >> > Central NJ USA >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] >> > Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 6:49:21 PM >> > Subject: Re: Oh well.... >> > >> > Man, there was some really, really terrible strike calls out there >> > today. >> > Balls that were 18 inches off the plate. Exhibit A in the case for >> > using computers to call balls and strikes. >> > >> > Steve O >> > >> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> > ...a 7-3 homestand ain't half bad. 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