Hear! Hear! On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: > Interesting data on balls and strikes. This is what I mean when I said that > technology makes these guys look really bad. The article accompanying the > data says the following: > > "In the end, the umpires are people and they make mistakes or have bad days. > Over the course of the season there are probably a handful of games when the > Sox get the sharp end of the stick and a handful of games when they benefit > from bad calls. Over 162, it evens out." > > No! I don't buy this "it evens out" argument. Has anybody ever measured > this? And some calls have much higher consequence than others. In my > opinion, these inaccuracies detract from the game rather than making it more > "colorful". We have the technology to get the calls right. Let's use it. > Dump the umps! > > Steve G > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:14 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Oh well.... > > You'll have them as soon as there's a computer that can show, objectively, > whether the foul happened. But there isn't so basketball must suffer. > > It's going to be interesting to see umps respond to pitch-by-pitch analysis > of how much they suck. > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> I'm eager to see the NBA's new Robot Refs, the ones that don't always >> give the benefit of the call to the more established players. >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I think that data like this will eventually force a change to >>> umpiring. It may not be public, but there's no way people are going >>> to ignore this data, especially in the playoffs. >>> >>> Obviously Wake had a smaller strike zone because he's a knuckleball >>> pitcher, not a control pitcher. The ump will give that >>> ever-expanding corner to a control pitcher with a good reputation, >>> thus turning baseball into something like figure skating. >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Beaudoin, John >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > The ump didn't give Toronto the corners either. >>> > >>> > Look at the picture again. It's the old "strike zone turned on its >>> > side" >>> > thing we used to deal with. >>> > >>> > And why do they have a square as the strike zone. Clearly, it >>> > should be a vertically oriented rectangle unless someone is 5'2" or >>> > shorter. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Even though it was on it's side, the ump clearly expanded the >>> > strike zone horizontally for Toronto. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Don't forget that Wakefield was pitching. Nothing in or out mid-height. >>> > There's clearly a bunch of pitches low and to the right, but >>> > almost none high and outside or inside. Big gaping holes. Must be >>> > on purpose. I think those are great balls to hit and clearly the >>> > pitchers don't want to go there. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I want to see this graph for every game. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > John >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >>> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:45 AM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: Oh well.... >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I still don't understand how an arbitrary strike zone is supposed >>> > to add to the game. It kills me wheni hear Orel Hersheiser (who >>> > did a great job >>> > Sunday) say that Lester needed to "train the ump" or will get a low >>> > ball called a strike because "he has great control" >>> > >>> > On May 13, 2010, at 5:17 AM, "Beaudoin, John" >>> > <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > Really cool data. >>> > >>> > But why isn't Ortiz's data on the big data map? Try to find his >>> > 7th pitch. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan DiBiase >>> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:35 AM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: Oh well.... >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Interesting..... >>> > >>> > >>> > http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/201 >>> > 0/05/dale_scotts_str.html >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Dan D >>> > Central NJ USA >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > >>> > From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 6:59:26 AM >>> > Subject: Re: Oh well.... >>> > >>> > Steve G is right. The strike zone was an extra 18 inches wide. The >>> > whole "as long as the umpire is consistent" thing is all fine and >>> > good, but batters couldn't even reach what was being called a >>> > strike. >>> > >>> > Steve O >>> > >>> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > There were about a dozen screw you calls then >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beaudoin, >>> > John >>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:56 PM >>> > >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: Oh well.... >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Okay, but technology wasn't needed for that one. That was a "screw you" >>> > call. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > <[email protected]> >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > <[email protected]> >>> > Sent: Wed May 12 18:20:45 2010 >>> > Subject: RE: Oh well.... >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Don't get me started on my "Dump the Umps" tirade again. MLB needs >>> > to step up and solve this problem. The technology we have today >>> > just keeps making them look bad. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan DiBiase >>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:18 PM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: Oh well.... >>> > >>> > I just saw the ball that was called a strike on Papi in the 9th. >>> > That had to be the worst strike call I have ever seen. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Dan D >>> > Central NJ USA >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > >>> > From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 6:49:21 PM >>> > Subject: Re: Oh well.... >>> > >>> > Man, there was some really, really terrible strike calls out there >>> > today. >>> > Balls that were 18 inches off the plate. Exhibit A in the case for >>> > using computers to call balls and strikes. >>> > >>> > Steve O >>> > >>> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > ...a 7-3 homestand ain't half bad. 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