Not talking about Ortiz's HR.
We're talking about if a ball goes up and onto the field. I don't think there is proof it hit the top of the wall and I explained my view of the physics behind it. If we're not talking ideal conditions and want to talk like reasonable realists, then I also will say that if it hits the edge and comes back in play, then it is not a home run. Seems reasonable to me. What if it hits the wall and bounces onto the field having risen one inch above the plane of the top of the wall on its way back onto the field? Who's going to judge what is "up" from the wall? It's impossible to judge that. Beyond physics, the more reasonable viewpoint is whether or not it enters the field of play after hitting the edge. No one is arguing that if it hits the flat plane of the top of the wall and then hits a fan or something after that and bounces back onto the field, then it's a HR. That's given. ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ortiz HR Any "up" means it's a home run. It had to touch the top of the wall to go up. Of course, Ortiz's seems to have hit the top of the wall and then that little lip an then come back out. It was so obviously a home run that I couldn't believe the umps missed it. Maybe it's harder to see from down in the outfield. Ray On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: That's been established. What about going up and onto the field of play? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ortiz HR Down. Not a HR. On 5/20/10, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay, why do we have to do this? > > You approach it as if you're right and there is no other possibility > than you being right. > > > > Let's look at ideal conditions, Mr. Physics. > > > > There is an edge. It is a line in space. It defines the border between > the face of the wall and the top of the wall. It is not the top of the > wall. > > There is a ball assumed to be a perfect sphere with an even distribution > of mass throughout. > > Now, if the ball is traveling at a given velocity, v, and at an angle of > 0 degrees (straight), and the point of contact is below the center of > gravity, but less than 45 degrees below the center of gravity, then what > direction will the ball travel, HAVING NEVER HIT THE TOP OF THE WALL? > Upward, I will bet. And, being less than 45 degrees, it will come back > onto the field. Being more than 45 degrees, it will continue over the > wall. > > > > That is from what I derive my opinion and my interpretation of the > rules. Not just, well I said so; so I'm right. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:21 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Ortiz HR > > > > Sorry John. Geometry is not a matter of opinion. > > A ball that goes up touched the top of the wall. > > Home run. > > > > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Beaudoin, John > <[email protected]> wrote: > > No. It is your opinion that it is a home run. It is your > interpretation of the rules. It does not make you right just because > you say you are right. > > The last time you provided the prose from the rule book, we went through > the same thing. > > > > If a ball hits the edge of the wall that defines the border between what > is the top and what is the face of the wall, then we are in no-mans land > in debate. And my opinion is that if the ball hits the edge and goes > forward, then it is still in play. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:15 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Ortiz HR > > > > Again, there is no "edge". If the ball touches the top, it is out. > When it touches the top it goes up. > > Your "up ten feet and then fall one inch straight down onto the field" > is a home run. > > > > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Beaudoin, John > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Because a ball can hit the edge and go up. The question should be > whether or not the ball hit the edge and went forward or backward. Thus, > a ball can hit the edge, then go up ten feet, and then fall one inch > straight down onto the field and still be in play. > > I did not see this specific HOUR. I am guessing that it was past the > edge and hit something behind the wall plane and came back onto the > field. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu May 20 04:09:47 2010 > Subject: Ortiz HR > > Thank goodness they took the HR call away from the umps. They seem to > consistently miss that call. > > > > Why is it so hard to understand that a ball that bounces straight up hit > the top of the wall? > > > > Ray > > -- > Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" > www.fpgasimulation.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected] <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected] <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > > > -- > Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" > www.fpgasimulation.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected] <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected] <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > > > -- > Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" > www.fpgasimulation.com > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- Sent from my mobile device Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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