Catching correction - Ross, not Davis. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
> Angst? I see it as commentary. > > I'm not going to predict an outcome until the Sox are finished with their > off season moves. It'd be silly to say how they're going to finish. > Ellsbury could still be dealt. The Sox might use this flexibility to secure > some cheap young talent, at least that's the plan. > > My opinions on the deal thus far have been pretty clear. > > Happy with the Papi deal. > > Okay with Napoli (if it the deal closes, which it should.) > > Not really sure what to make about Vittorino. I hear conflicting reports > as to his health and diminishing skills. Put a gun to my head and I think > the Sox overpaid by a bit, but keeping an open mind. > > Dempster - I don't want to sound like a negative nanny but I think this > will be a disaster. National league pitchers haven't fared well here - I'm > thinking Smoltz at the end of his career, (and drawing a blank on the > pitcher that same year that bombed her but excelled in St. Louis), Joel > Pineiro, etc. I don't like they're paying $13 million for a warm body, but > people seemed satisfied with the deal because we've become so obsessed with > length of deals. > > But if we're to look at the Sox.... > > Catcher - Offense might be a bit better with Davis Salty > First Base - I think Napoli is a downgrade from Gonzalez. > SEcond base - same > 3B - I hope Middlebrooks delivers. Not willing to say he's going to > perform better than Youk. > SS - Who knows. > LF - Crawford was a talent and certainly better than Jonny Gomes. > CF - Ellsbury should have a better year. > RF - Vittorino vs. Ross - I'll give V the upgrade. > > Rotation - Might be better with Lackey and Dempster than with Beckett and > Dempster. WOuld like to see another deal. Also hope Doubront doesn't suffer > from a sophomore slump. > > Bullpen - Apparently, the Sox offered Bailey to Toronto for Farrell and we > declined. Safe to say I'm concerned about the closer positon. Happy with > the middle reliever they signed. Hope Aceves can pull his head out of his > ass. > > > At this point, I'd say this team is slightly inferior to last team. > Toronto should be better. I still like the Rays even without Shields though > they're pitching is young. Not really sure what to make about the Yanks or > the O's, but the former seems to pull things together. > > That's the landscape as I see it. > > Bottom line, the fan focus on length of deal is humorous. The Sox have the > money and should use it to pay for actual talent rather than hoping to win > with scratch ticket talent. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> So this is simple angst? You have no thoughts on how the Sox will do >> because of the move? >> >> My prediction is that they'll finish the season with a higher winning >> percentage than they had when they did the deal. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Where have I made a prediction? >> >> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> You seem to be making some prediction about the Sox chances for success >>> since you don't agree with last year's plan of creating financial >>> flexibility. >>> >>> So what is that prediction? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I can't really see one that I'd be comfortable with. I won't bet against >>> the Sox success. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I see a wager in the works. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Oh, it's gonna be a lively Christmas dinner discussion this year .... :) >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not interested in blockbuster players anymore. I think it's too >>>>> many eggs in one basket. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nick Cafardo writes that the Sox should have chased Josh Hamilton. >>>>>> That, of course, means they did the right thing passing him up. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2012/12/sox_should_have.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To:* "[email protected]" < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:41 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Sox get Dempster >>>>>> >>>>>> He meets present Sox criteria: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Warm body. >>>>>> 2. Short-term deal. >>>>>> 3. No draft-pick compensation. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sold on the plan, but we can't say they don't have one. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:20 PM >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Sox get Dempster >>>>>> >>>>>> Meh. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From EEI art >>>>>> >>>>>> One major league source suggested that the Sox should -- and likely >>>>>> do -- have “modest expectations” for the veteran, describing him as the >>>>>> best option available on a relatively short-term deal that permits the >>>>>> team >>>>>> to minimize risk, rather than a true impact starter who can transform a >>>>>> rotation. >>>>>> >>>>>> “He’ll carve up weaker lineups and will be a positive clubhouse guy,” >>>>>> said the source. “[But it's] hard to expect much against the deeper >>>>>> lineups >>>>>> and I don’t think [the Sox] do.” >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sounds about right. I guess $13m doesn't get you what it once did. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess he's making $2m less than Beckett >>>>>> >>>>>> ERA WHIP SO/9 >>>>>> Becket 4.65 1.327 7 >>>>>> Demps 3.85 1.319 8.7 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Not crazy about the Dempster signing. Basically career NL pitcher >>>>>> who was rocked last year in the AL (except when >>>>>> he pitched against us.............). >>>>>> >>>>>> Angels be crazy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan D >>>>>> Central NJ USA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:28 PM >>>>>> *Subject:* Sox get Dempster >>>>>> >>>>>> two years at $26.5 million ($13m per again) >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Hamilton goes to Angels for 5 years/$125m. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the 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