Well, with Crawford, I assume you mean the 'real' Carl Crawford, not the version we got here. Gomes is better than what we got from Crawford. But certainly, Crawford is more talented. Just that we didn't see it.
Dan D Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 12:06 PM Subject: Re: Sox get Dempster And I meant Becket with Dice-K. Gotta proof next time. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: Catching correction - Ross, not Davis. > > > >On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >Angst? I see it as commentary. >> >> >>I'm not going to predict an outcome until the Sox are finished with their off >>season moves. It'd be silly to say how they're going to finish. Ellsbury >>could still be dealt. The Sox might use this flexibility to secure some cheap >>young talent, at least that's the plan. >> >> >>My opinions on the deal thus far have been pretty clear. >> >> >>Happy with the Papi deal. >> >> >>Okay with Napoli (if it the deal closes, which it should.) >> >> >>Not really sure what to make about Vittorino. I hear conflicting reports as >>to his health and diminishing skills. Put a gun to my head and I think the >>Sox overpaid by a bit, but keeping an open mind. >> >> >>Dempster - I don't want to sound like a negative nanny but I think this will >>be a disaster. National league pitchers haven't fared well here - I'm >>thinking Smoltz at the end of his career, (and drawing a blank on the pitcher >>that same year that bombed her but excelled in St. Louis), Joel Pineiro, etc. >>I don't like they're paying $13 million for a warm body, but people seemed >>satisfied with the deal because we've become so obsessed with length of deals. >> >> >>But if we're to look at the Sox.... >> >> >>Catcher - Offense might be a bit better with Davis Salty >>First Base - I think Napoli is a downgrade from Gonzalez. >>SEcond base - same >>3B - I hope Middlebrooks delivers. Not willing to say he's going to perform >>better than Youk. >>SS - Who knows. >>LF - Crawford was a talent and certainly better than Jonny Gomes. >>CF - Ellsbury should have a better year. >>RF - Vittorino vs. Ross - I'll give V the upgrade. >> >> >>Rotation - Might be better with Lackey and Dempster than with Beckett and >>Dempster. WOuld like to see another deal. Also hope Doubront doesn't suffer >>from a sophomore slump. >> >> >>Bullpen - Apparently, the Sox offered Bailey to Toronto for Farrell and we >>declined. Safe to say I'm concerned about the closer positon. Happy with the >>middle reliever they signed. Hope Aceves can pull his head out of his ass. >> >> >> >> >>At this point, I'd say this team is slightly inferior to last team. Toronto >>should be better. I still like the Rays even without Shields though they're >>pitching is young. Not really sure what to make about the Yanks or the O's, >>but the former seems to pull things together. >> >> >>That's the landscape as I see it. >> >> >>Bottom line, the fan focus on length of deal is humorous. The Sox have the >>money and should use it to pay for actual talent rather than hoping to win >>with scratch ticket talent. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>So this is simple angst? You have no thoughts on how the Sox will do because >>of the move? >>> >>> >>>My prediction is that they'll finish the season with a higher winning >>>percentage than they had when they did the deal. >>> >>>Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>Where have I made a prediction? >>>> >>>> >>>>On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>You seem to be making some prediction about the Sox chances for success >>>>since you don't agree with last year's plan of creating financial >>>>flexibility. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>So what is that prediction? >>>>> >>>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I can't really see one that I'd be comfortable with. I won't bet against >>>>>the Sox success. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>I see a wager in the works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Oh, it's gonna be a lively Christmas dinner discussion this year .... :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I'm not interested in blockbuster players anymore. I think it's too >>>>>>>>many eggs in one basket. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley >>>>>>>>><[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Nick Cafardo writes that the Sox should have chased Josh Hamilton. >>>>>>>>>That, of course, means they did the right thing passing him up. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2012/12/sox_should_have.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> From: Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>To: "[email protected]" >>>>>>>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:41 PM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Sox get Dempster >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>He meets present Sox criteria: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>1. Warm body. >>>>>>>>>>2. Short-term deal. >>>>>>>>>>3. No draft-pick compensation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I'm not sold on the plan, but we can't say they don't have one. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:20 PM >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Sox get Dempster >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Meh. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>From EEI art >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>One major league source suggested that the Sox should -- and likely >>>>>>>>>>>do -- have “modest expectations” for the veteran, describing him as >>>>>>>>>>>the best option available on a relatively short-term deal that >>>>>>>>>>>permits the team to minimize risk, rather than a true impact starter >>>>>>>>>>>who can transform a rotation. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>“He’ll carve up weaker lineups and will be a positive clubhouse >>>>>>>>>>>guy,” said the source. “[But it's] hard to expect much against the >>>>>>>>>>>deeper lineups and I don’t think [the Sox] do.” >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Sounds about right. I guess $13m doesn't get you what it once did. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I guess he's making $2m less than Beckett >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ERA WHIP SO/9 >>>>>>>>>>>Becket 4.65 1.327 7 >>>>>>>>>>>Demps 3.85 1.319 8.7 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Not crazy about the Dempster signing. Basically career NL pitcher >>>>>>>>>>>who was rocked last year in the AL (except when >>>>>>>>>>>>he pitched against us.............). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Angels be crazy. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Dan D >>>>>>>>>>>>Central NJ USA >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:28 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Sox get Dempster >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>two years at $26.5 million ($13m per again) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Josh Hamilton goes to Angels for 5 years/$125m.-- >>>>>>>>>>>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>>>Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>[email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>[email protected]. 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