And I meant Becket with Dice-K. Gotta proof next time. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
> Catching correction - Ross, not Davis. > > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Angst? I see it as commentary. >> >> I'm not going to predict an outcome until the Sox are finished with their >> off season moves. It'd be silly to say how they're going to finish. >> Ellsbury could still be dealt. The Sox might use this flexibility to secure >> some cheap young talent, at least that's the plan. >> >> My opinions on the deal thus far have been pretty clear. >> >> Happy with the Papi deal. >> >> Okay with Napoli (if it the deal closes, which it should.) >> >> Not really sure what to make about Vittorino. I hear conflicting reports >> as to his health and diminishing skills. Put a gun to my head and I think >> the Sox overpaid by a bit, but keeping an open mind. >> >> Dempster - I don't want to sound like a negative nanny but I think this >> will be a disaster. National league pitchers haven't fared well here - I'm >> thinking Smoltz at the end of his career, (and drawing a blank on the >> pitcher that same year that bombed her but excelled in St. Louis), Joel >> Pineiro, etc. I don't like they're paying $13 million for a warm body, but >> people seemed satisfied with the deal because we've become so obsessed with >> length of deals. >> >> But if we're to look at the Sox.... >> >> Catcher - Offense might be a bit better with Davis Salty >> First Base - I think Napoli is a downgrade from Gonzalez. >> SEcond base - same >> 3B - I hope Middlebrooks delivers. Not willing to say he's going to >> perform better than Youk. >> SS - Who knows. >> LF - Crawford was a talent and certainly better than Jonny Gomes. >> CF - Ellsbury should have a better year. >> RF - Vittorino vs. Ross - I'll give V the upgrade. >> >> Rotation - Might be better with Lackey and Dempster than with Beckett and >> Dempster. WOuld like to see another deal. Also hope Doubront doesn't suffer >> from a sophomore slump. >> >> Bullpen - Apparently, the Sox offered Bailey to Toronto for Farrell and >> we declined. Safe to say I'm concerned about the closer positon. Happy with >> the middle reliever they signed. Hope Aceves can pull his head out of his >> ass. >> >> >> At this point, I'd say this team is slightly inferior to last team. >> Toronto should be better. I still like the Rays even without Shields though >> they're pitching is young. Not really sure what to make about the Yanks or >> the O's, but the former seems to pull things together. >> >> That's the landscape as I see it. >> >> Bottom line, the fan focus on length of deal is humorous. The Sox have >> the money and should use it to pay for actual talent rather than hoping to >> win with scratch ticket talent. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> So this is simple angst? You have no thoughts on how the Sox will do >>> because of the move? >>> >>> My prediction is that they'll finish the season with a higher winning >>> percentage than they had when they did the deal. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Where have I made a prediction? >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> You seem to be making some prediction about the Sox chances for success >>>> since you don't agree with last year's plan of creating financial >>>> flexibility. >>>> >>>> So what is that prediction? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I can't really see one that I'd be comfortable with. I won't bet >>>> against the Sox success. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I see a wager in the works. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Oh, it's gonna be a lively Christmas dinner discussion this year .... >>>>> :) >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not interested in blockbuster players anymore. I think it's too >>>>>> many eggs in one basket. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nick Cafardo writes that the Sox should have chased Josh Hamilton. >>>>>>> That, of course, means they did the right thing passing him up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2012/12/sox_should_have.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To:* "[email protected]" < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:41 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Sox get Dempster >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He meets present Sox criteria: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Warm body. >>>>>>> 2. Short-term deal. >>>>>>> 3. No draft-pick compensation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sold on the plan, but we can't say they don't have one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:20 PM >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Sox get Dempster >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Meh. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From EEI art >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One major league source suggested that the Sox should -- and likely >>>>>>> do -- have “modest expectations” for the veteran, describing him as the >>>>>>> best option available on a relatively short-term deal that permits the >>>>>>> team >>>>>>> to minimize risk, rather than a true impact starter who can transform a >>>>>>> rotation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> “He’ll carve up weaker lineups and will be a positive clubhouse >>>>>>> guy,” said the source. “[But it's] hard to expect much against the >>>>>>> deeper >>>>>>> lineups and I don’t think [the Sox] do.” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sounds about right. I guess $13m doesn't get you what it once did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess he's making $2m less than Beckett >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ERA WHIP SO/9 >>>>>>> Becket 4.65 1.327 7 >>>>>>> Demps 3.85 1.319 8.7 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not crazy about the Dempster signing. Basically career NL pitcher >>>>>>> who was rocked last year in the AL (except when >>>>>>> he pitched against us.............). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Angels be crazy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dan D >>>>>>> Central NJ USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:28 PM >>>>>>> *Subject:* Sox get Dempster >>>>>>> >>>>>>> two years at $26.5 million ($13m per again) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh Hamilton goes to Angels for 5 years/$125m. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this 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