Man, you guys are crazy.... Or maybe I am the crazy one!! I have my 70
glass tank, a 25 gallon sump with 15 gallons of water, and a 15 gallon
refugium set up in my apartment, on the second floor. About 15 feet away (on
another wall) I have a 55 fo tank. I have had it there for a year with out a
problem (okay, so I do carry renters insurance, because you never know, but
so far, no problems). I have had at least a 55 in every apartment I have
ever lived in, 90% of them being on the second floor. Also, I lived in a
mobile home when I was younger and had the walls lined with tanks in one
room. A 70, a 55, 2-29s, a 35 and about 5 10 gallon tanks (I was a little
out of control, breeding freshwater fish and such). The only problems I
ever had was that the humidity in my room was about a billion percent and
the windows grew mildew like nobodies business. Now, if was moving into a
home and setting up a 225 gallon tank, or Ron gave me his 715, then I would
really want to have it checked out.
As far as quakes go, I knew a guy who lived in cali a while ago when they
had a good quake, and although the tank itself survived it, he lost about 15
gallons of water on the floor, reef rocks crumbled and crushed corals and
fish. It was a mess. I really don't think there is much you can do if you
get a serious quake other than pray.... We had a tremor when I was in
Seattle, and even that caused some water to slosh out of my tank....
FWIW
Shane C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Moore [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 9:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLOOR REINFORCEMENT
hey tim. i was at a seminar a couple nights ago about a research
project
where the University of British Columbia built a standard new
construction
home on a shaker table. then they induced a M7.2 quake and video'd
the
results. pretty scary.
the floor bouncing up and down isn't a big advantage. during a
quake there
will be a vertical and horizontal component and generally it is the
horizontal acceleration that does most damage. i would look at
reinforcing
the floor and providing some restraint system such that in a quake
the tank
doesn't rock back and forth until it topples. that's exactly what
bookshelves do. a simple bracket and a few screws fixes that
problem.
i'm afraid i can't help much more about your situation. if i lived
in
california i would do everything i could to earthquake proof my
home. or i
wouldn't live in california (haha, joke. we are in line for a big
shaker up
here too).
if my car or my oven or some other aspect of my life that i rely on
isn't
working, i phone someone to tell me what's wrong and see if we can
fix it.
its funny because people don't call engineers to ask about things
i've
recently seen on the list. if someone called me about these things
it would
take me a couple hours to go look at the site and then verbally
advise what
the homeowner could do. then you would know. pretty cheap
insurance
really.
have you been in this house during a smaller tremor?
shane m.
>From: Timothy Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: FLOOR REINFORCEMENT
>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:35:46 -0800
>
>Shane
>
>This is a subject I've been kind of concerned about. I've got my
100g tank
>against a load bearing wall (oak stand and canopy with no sump).
The floor
>in this room (a 1970's addition to this
>1940's house) bounces if you jump up and down. Is this an
advantage when
>our big earthquake occurs? (I live in Long Beach, California)
Or...what I
>really think, that this could be a problem
>and that I should reinforce the floor as has been done in another
part of
>the house (another addition which is our bedroom). Both rooms are
kind of
>long. Our bedroom has cement blocks with
>beams on top of them to give the floor more rigidity - is it
necessary to
>do this same thing to the livingroom where the aquarium is located?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim
>
>Shane Moore wrote:
>
> > sorry guys, i didn't read all the posts before replying
previously.
> >
> > steve, this is not a flame. it's something i know alot about (i
am an
> > engineer, i know the building code, i've done the calcs for my
own tank,
>and
> > sadly we have two waterbeds --anyone want to buy one??) anyway
forget
> > waterbeds.
> >
> > i can tell you that if you consider the weight of a 180g tank (i
think
>they
> > are about 300 lbs), the stand, hood, sump, all the equipment,
water and
> > rock, you will likely exceed the capacity of standard floor
joists.
>this
> > means that you could see effects ranging from nothing at all to
>differential
> > settlement to structural failure of the floor joist. depends on
a whole
> > bunch of things.
> >
> > the floor joist do NOT hold up a house. the load bearing walls
do, and
> > those walls (or beams) which are founded on concrete footings
support
>the
> > floor joist. the floor joist often support interior walls, but
that
>worsens
> > the case if you are looking to place your tank beside a non-load
bearing
> > interior wall because you alreading have a load on the joist
from that
>wall.
> >
> > i wanted a 180g and went with a 135g because my house (with full
>dimension
> > fir 2"x12" 16"c floor joist) couldn't support a 180 with stand
sump etc.
> i
> > also know that most houses are not built with full dimension
lumber
>which
> > means that they are capable of supporting LESS weight than what
my floor
> > can.
> >
> > hopes this helps clear things up for a few people. i can
provide add'l
>info
> > if anybody wants it. hello? hello?? oh damn, did i put you
all to
> > sleep?
> >
> > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: Klingerman Virus
> > >Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:26:21 -0500
> > >
> > >It is true that the water bed has a larger footprint. However
if you
>look
> > >at
> > >almost all waterbeds the actual footprint is much smaller then
the bed.
> If
> > >you ever put a waterbed together you will now the box that sits
on the
> > >floor
> > >is rather small when compared to the box that holds the water
that sits
>on
> > >top. Anyhow my point is that if you run your tank
perpendicular to the
> > >floor
> > >joists they will hold this guys 180 gallon tank quite easily.
You have
>to
> > >remember those things are holding up the entire house. They
can hold
>alot
> > >of
> > >weight.
> > >
> > >Steve
> > >
> > >---------- Original Text ----------
> > >
> > >From: "Derek Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 1/12/01 1:11
PM:
> > >
> > >Well a water bed is spread out over at least a 4 x 6 or 6 x 6
area, a
>tank
> > >is only in a 11/2 x 6 or 2 x 4 area, or similar. Puts alot more
lbs per
> > >square foot in a small area.
> > >Derek
> > >See my reef at Http://www.geocities.com/reefsalot/
> > >Under HEAVY construction!
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 8:41 AM
> > >Subject: RE: Klingerman Virus
> > >
> > >
> > > > Reinforcing you floor, do you really think thats necessary.
If you
>run
> > >your
> > > > tank perpindicular to your floor joists I doubt you need
such a
>thing.
> > >I
> > > > mean think about it, people put in water beds without
thinking twice
>and
> > >they
> > > > wiegh as much as a car.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > > ---------- Original Text ----------
> > > >
> > > > From: "David & Karen Whooley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on
1/11/01 12:21
>AM:
> > > >
> > > > I'm still working on getting Karen to let me upgrade to a
120 or
>bigger.
> > > > She seems to get nervous when I talk about reinforcing the
floor.
>Go
> > > > figure.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, I've let my tank just "evolve" for the last few
months. I
> > >have
> > > > had all kinds of creatures emerging from the live rock. I'm
leery
>of
> > >adding
> > > > anything. I don't want to disturb the balance it's found.
> > > >
> > > > david
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:17 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: Klingerman Virus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 1/11/01 12:08:23 AM Central Standard
Time,
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > >
> > > > << And a damn fine source he is! Just happens to be my
brother!
> > > >
> > > > david >>
> > > > And aren't you so proud???? LOL Hey....got that 1100 Gal.
set up
>yet?
> > >We
> > > > are working on it!
> > > > Sherri
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