Right let me clarify something. My comments are in no way related to Greeeenr's business. I'm referring to a learning experience that has nothing to do with Refresh members. PJ
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Greeeenr <[email protected]> wrote: > I am sorry but I don't understand. Who's marketing positin. Did you > mean to respond to a different discusion. > > On May 27, 5:42 pm, PJ Christie <[email protected]> wrote: >> It's a marketing position, not a developers position. There were many >> problems that arose: >> >> 1. everytime I asked about a person that came up in the history, that >> person was let go following a dispute and I couldn't ask them >> questions. >> >> 2. their google webmaster account indicated they were doing business >> primarily in Thailand for no apparent reason, and last time I checked, >> even though I updated it, it still was caching that way. So there is >> no SEO finding the pages tagged as Thailand. >> >> 3. the affiliate marketing program had not in one and a half years, >> driven a single click or sale. And the material looked good. >> >> 4. they didn't have e-mails in a good list for e-mail marketing, and >> wouldn't provide them to me. >> >> 5. I couldn't really see that the site could process a payment in any case >> >> 6. they were on a subversion system that was a pain in my ass. For no money. >> >> Interested? >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Prashant Sheth >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Mmm monetized niche!!! Is it still available n open? >> >> > Regards, >> >> > Prashant >> > 512.917.2308 >> > - sent from my iPhone please excuse the brevity >> >> > On May 26, 2011, at 4:04 PM, PJ Christie <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> I went through a test period with a guy in Dallas who had a not very >> >> good looking site in a very lucrative niche, one that I knew pretty >> >> well. My skills were pretty well aligned with his needs and we set up >> >> something that sounded fair. >> >> >> For no cash, I was offered a gradually larger percentage of the >> >> business to max out at 7%. >> >> My commitment was established at 8 - 10 hours per week. >> >> I received a sliding scale of money based on amount of revenue over an >> >> established baseline. >> >> >> He had strengths. The website was built already and he had good money >> >> behind him up to that point. >> >> >> In negotiating, he refused my request to guarantee that the shares >> >> would not be diluted. The contract had a schedule of milestones that >> >> could not be met within my available time. 3 days after I signed the >> >> contract he pulled the one developer off the project to build >> >> something like Facebook from scratch. The deeper I dug the more doubts >> >> I had that the product would work and that he placed a premium on the >> >> customer relationship. All my suggestions on ways to monetize the site >> >> he rejected. >> >> >> So I bailed 3 weeks in. I was glad for the experience and I probably >> >> learned more from the failure than if it had succeeded. >> >> >> PJ Christie >> >>http://www.linkedin.com/in/pjchristie/ >> >> >> 512-577-4059 >> >> blog - pjchristie.com >> >> twitter - @growyourbase >> >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Prashant Sheth >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> WOW, the group's been awfully quiet on this. Ok, I'll take the fall >> >>> here. >> >>> I've seen this request often (as a programmer, web-guy, IT, more), and >> >>> even >> >>> more often, it falters and goes away. >> >>> To answer this, here are the questions to consider: >> >>> #1: why would someone have this request? >> >>> #2: are ALL your basis covered: admin, legal, marketing & sales, >> >>> support? >> >>> #3: once you've done this, what is the value proposition to your >> >>> programmer? what are all the things u are looking for? >> >>> #4: what is the market value for these services and why can't u afford >> >>> it? >> >>> #5: if the person is going to defer their compensation, what's their >> >>> upside? is it fair? they are foregoing compensation and benefits for >> >>> doing >> >>> the work with someone else.. >> >>> #6: what's the real upside-/ risk to the person: is it worth the upside? >> >>> #7: what happens if the biz fails not due to that programmer -person? >> >>> #8: if the compensation was reversed, i.e u were paid THAT offer for >> >>> THAT >> >>> much work, would you take it? >> >>> If you come from a point of fairness, generally it'll work. Don't >> >>> understimate your programmer, and don't try to get something for nothing. >> >>> Too often biz "idea-generators" will come from a point of view "oh this >> >>> idea >> >>> is so unique.. NO ONE has done it..." chances are .. its been done about >> >>> a >> >>> dozen times.. and about a dozen people are doing it at this time. >> >>> The idea isn't the money, the execution is... that's why a strong >> >>> executive >> >>> team is what is always looked for. >> >>> if you are ONE person telling a programmer that "build-it and the >> >>> customers >> >>> will come" you are not reliable.. and the programmer is risking all.. >> >>> GENERALLY (not always).. if you have a team, and some measure of >> >>> success.. >> >>> then there's a better position of reliability. The programmer's goal and >> >>> deliverables are tangible.. but as an "idea-person" your deliverables >> >>> aren't >> >>> defined.. how do u build a business? >> >>> Finally, an NDA is about the most absurd thing in the world, if u are a >> >>> startup u do NOT have the litigation $ to get someone on an NDA.. its >> >>> MOSTLY the execution of the idea that will create a market winner.. >> >>> This would be a starting point for a discussion.. after this.. its all >> >>> fair-game and there's no limits to the ways things can/will work out. >> >>> Regards >> >>> Prashant >> >> >>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Greeeenr <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>> I have and have had some great ideas. Most have gone on to be >> >>>> developed by others and bought by bigger companies. >> >>>> My frustration ,not being a programmer, is that many developers are >> >>>> not as qualified as they think or pretend to be. >> >>>> Many web developing companies are just looking for large corporate >> >>>> dollars and don't seem to put realestic timelines or bugets together. >> >>>> Having the Associations and sales experience I would like to partner >> >>>> with a web designer/designors and create these projects with an exit >> >>>> stradegy in place to sell and move on. >> >>>> I would appreciatte any ideas of how to >> >>>> -Partner fairly and not lose your idea >> >>>> - ensure I am involved with someone who can deliver a complete >> >>>> product >> >>>> - is there a form for this type of arrangement ? >> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Our Web site:http://www.RefreshAustin.org/ >> >> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>>> Groups >> >>>> "Refresh Austin" group. >> >> >>>> [ Posting ] >> >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> >>>> Job-related postings should followhttp://tr.im/refreshaustinjobspolicy >> >>>> We do not accept job posts from recruiters. >> >> >>>> [ Unsubscribe ] >> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>>> [email protected] >> >> >>>> [ More Info ] >> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>>>http://groups.google.com/group/Refresh-Austin >> >> >>> -- >> >>> Our Web site:http://www.RefreshAustin.org/ >> >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> >>> "Refresh Austin" group. >> >> >>> [ Posting ] >> >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> >>> Job-related postings should followhttp://tr.im/refreshaustinjobspolicy >> >>> We do not accept job posts from recruiters. >> >> >>> [ Unsubscribe ] >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> [email protected] >> >> >>> [ More Info ] >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>>http://groups.google.com/group/Refresh-Austin >> >> >> -- >> >> Our Web site:http://www.RefreshAustin.org/ >> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> >> "Refresh Austin" group. >> >> >> [ Posting ] >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> >> Job-related postings should followhttp://tr.im/refreshaustinjobspolicy >> >> We do not accept job posts from recruiters. >> >> >> [ Unsubscribe ] >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> [ More Info ] >> >> For more options, visit this group >> >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/Refresh-Austin >> >> > -- >> > Our Web site:http://www.RefreshAustin.org/ >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "Refresh Austin" group. >> >> > [ Posting ] >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> > Job-related postings should followhttp://tr.im/refreshaustinjobspolicy >> > We do not accept job posts from recruiters. >> >> > [ Unsubscribe ] >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > [email protected] >> >> > [ More Info ] >> > For more options, visit this group >> > athttp://groups.google.com/group/Refresh-Austin- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > Our Web site: http://www.RefreshAustin.org/ > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Refresh Austin" group. > > [ Posting ] > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > Job-related postings should follow http://tr.im/refreshaustinjobspolicy > We do not accept job posts from recruiters. > > [ Unsubscribe ] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > > [ More Info ] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Refresh-Austin > -- Our Web site: http://www.RefreshAustin.org/ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Refresh Austin" group. 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