On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:50, donnella whitacre wrote: > how about the arabs making some major efforts in the peace plan?
They already have. The Palestinian recognition of Israel in the early nineties, was a change, a back-down from their demands for the entire territory of Mandatory Palestine. And what did Israel do, once it had that recognition? Up the rate of the settlers settling. How about Israel make some serious effort to hold to its agreements? > i am very > weary of having to buckle in just because some one hates jews. my major > reason for being against the iraq invasion was that they would see that . > but they see that because they want to. the u.s. does what it wants for its > self and leaves israel to twist in the wind. the muslims will see what they > want to see, no matter what any one says. how many times do the paletinians > have to be offered land and a peace plan, how many times do they have to > turn it down before some of it is their fault? Not forgetting, the map of what Israel was offering at Camp David, was a military campaign, with the Western Bank of the putative Palestinian state split down the middle by the settlers from J'salem to Jericho ... that's not a particularly believable peacemaking "concession" - Arafat was right to reget it, it was not made in good faith. > israel armed them and > trained them to help fight the terrorists and they use those weapons to > moon light as terrorists. world war 2 was more than mild anti semitism. The > U.S.and britain closed the doors of deportation and did nothing. One question I would like to ask - the Zionists of that period pulled every favour they could to get Jews to Palestine - where Britain was trapped between the demands of the Zionists and the Arabs. If they had pulled those favours to get Jews to the United Kingdom and the United States, and the settler states of the British Empire, those Jews would still be alive, but Israel might've been still-born. Was it a worthwhile choice? > as the > state department went about aborting or vetoing every rescue plan because > they were afraid hitler really would turn over all the jews and neither > country wanted them' You know, I read about Jews enslaved by the Romans after the Great Revolt, being bought and manumitted by their Jewish compatriots/brothers when they were put up for sale. Why didn't the Jewish communities of that period - if the State of Israel had the resources following the 1948 war to "patriate" the Mizrahim, Sephardim, etc - offer the US and UK and the British Empire, rocked by the Great Depression, to make up for the poorer Jewish refugees and find them work? That way, their lives would've been saved. They did it in Palestine, but not anywhere else. Why not? > the only real rescue plans came about in 1944 when > most of the jews were already dead. they managed to take thousands of non > jewish refugees. guys like charles lindburgh who thought hitler was swell, > weren't in the minority. i have read letters to the editors in that day > about how the jews were the slime of the earth, the lowest of the low which > i cant figure out as they have given us some of the greatest scientists, > genisus, writers and artists, and social workers the world has ever seen. > we need to get our of iraq because it is wrong and for no other reason. > OP-ED COLUMNIST > Jews, Israel and America > By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN > Across the Arab-Muslim world is a rising perception that > the great enemy of Islam is JIA - "Jews, Israel and > America." > > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/opinion/24friedman.html?th > -- > Friedman's term, JIA is new to me -- and frightening in its implications. > > I was raised in the era of not so mild American anti-Semitism. 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