Now where was I? Ah, yes - Deir Yassin. Iraqi troops in Deir Yassin, not natives? I presume those Iraqi troops would've been fairly well armed and fairly well trained? If so, why would there have only been 4 dead in the Lehi/Etzl forces? If they had been trained and armed, surely there would've been more!
http://www.zoa.org/pubs/DeirYassin.htm "[...]He did not explain the discrepancy between his claim that they were "never armed" and the fact that they shot to death 4 of the Jewish fighters and wounded several dozen more.[...] "As for actual evidence of a massacre, Graves wrote that "it certainly was a massacre, as the killing was not provoked by any resistance" --an extraordinary claim, in view of the Arab fighters' massive, and nearly overwhelming, firepower.103 " Particularly in the light shed by these comparisons: http://www.deiryassin.org/op0005.html "13) Casualty and post-battle figures are inconsistent and missing, and while the attackers claim the deaths resulted unintentionally from a hard-fought battle, and not a systematic massacre, the best casualty figures available indicate that almost 90% of civilians "unintentionally" hit by or because of Irgun-Lehi firepower ended up dead (three times the lethal accuracy of such massacres as Jonesboro and the Texas Tower; only 9% less than Lidice, about equal to Hadassah Hospital, and 5% deadlier than fire at Wounded Knee), while "intense firepower" directed at the attackers out in the open scored only 10% lethal hits; that about 50 prisoners are unaccounted for, and that a most deferential estimate of the alleged Arab fighters killed yields a 33% civilian to fighter death ratio, still twice the overestimated civilian to fighter casualty rate first falsely reported at My Lai and which set off suspicious inquiries about causes of civilian deaths. Additionally, casualty and prisoner figures are in general inconsistent or absent. " If we are to treat the Jewish state the precise same way we treat any other state, we must take note of these comparisons. And yes, why were the British standing by and not doing anything? By not stopping the ETZL/Lehi, they gave Zionism a burden it can't bear. No, the British were not permitted by their own constitutional traditions to abrogate the rights of the then-present inhabitants - denial of those rights inevitably winds up with a form of the Divine Right of Kings, a nasty form of which is "Romantic Nationalism", which generally takes the form of a "National Front" and/or "Iron Guard". Zionism has not to the best of my knowledge, faced up to this contradiction in its ideology. And as for Jewishness making one a native of that particular segment of the Middle East, no matter how long one has lived away from it, or no matter whether one's ancestors ever got anywhere near the place - that goes foot and/in mouth with the anti-Semitic assertion that the Jewish people are alien to everybody else and can't fit in no matter what, where or how they live. Which is so much bullsh*t - I mean, there is now in Uganda a small group of native Ugandan Jews - religious, not ethnic. They converted in protest at the policies of the British Church-and-Empire during the 1800s. Bona Fide Jews, bone fide Africans. Are they then supposed to be native to Israel? Are they then supposed to be alien to Uganda, to Africa? Just because they practice the Jewish religion, authentically taught by the Commonwealth Rabbinate? Say that and you've joined the ranks of the fascists as far as I'm concerned. "as for the jews having to pay to be rescued pretty cynical of you." No, all I'm saying is that the Zionists in Britain and the US were quick on the ball whenever the question came to Mandatory Palestine, the White Paper on Jewish immigration and so on. They didn't seem so evident when it came to the Jewish refugees from the Third Reich seeking a First World place to settle from the horrors of the Third Reich's anti-Semitism. Why? And if the British Rothschilds had the finances to underwrite the First Aliya, then surely they had the financial resources to underwrite resettling the European Jewish refugees in Britain. Why didn't they? (This is the self-same question practically every Zionist answers in relation to the Palestinian Refugee situation, with the allegation that the Arabs are playing a cruel and cynical game with the Palestinian refugees. I could continue.) That's enough for tonight - I'm tired, and have probably left out too much. Shalom l'kol uvrakha Wesley Parish On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:52, donnella whitacre wrote: > deir yassin was retaliation for many massacres wesley and one of the only > ones by the jews. so why were the british standing by and letting it happen > at mt. scopus again? they refuesed to allow any one to interfer anfd > threatened to fire on the irgun and israelis troops if they helped. neib > daniel happened before deir yassin, those were iraqi troops in deir yassin, > not natives. i know what the british empire is westley and you snobby > little answer means nothing. going native and serving with SS officers is > two different things. the point is the british were suppose to make a > jewish home land, i would hardly call 77% of it dispossessing the native of > which the jews were part of. they were natives. as for the jews having to > pay to be rescued pretty cynical of you. the sephardim and mitzrihim came > with the clothes on their backs and had to live in camps some times for 8 > months before placement. the arabs seized billions of dollars of property. > you don't hear the jews whineing for compensation and to return. they made > the best of it and went on. they would hardly like to return to places were > they were treated like less than animals for centuries which would be in > the arab lands. they didn't exploit their refugees either, as the world > seems not to know of them. they aren't a publicity stunt. you seem to have > an excuse for every thing the arabs do, you can understand why they did > this and that but not the jews. interesting how compassion and understaning > only flow one way with you. would that they had the freedoms the arabs > enjoy in israel. > > > > > Wesley Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:27, donnella whitacre wrote: > > oh wesley my friend there was money to buy and sell with. > > i wouldn't say that just recognizing the state was a big deal. you seem > > to , i don't. recognizing it and then trying your best to destroy it , > > five more years, until the last battle was fought and lost > > ----- > / o o \ > ===OO=====OO============================================= > (4)Portals (2)News Wikis (2)Conferences - No More BuSHIT! > Start here: http://pnews.org/ (On Internet since 1982) > http://pnews.org/PhpWiki/ (West Coast News Wiki) > http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (East Coast News Wiki) > ========================================================= > > > > Yahoo! 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