oh wesley my friend there was money to buy and sell with.
i wouldn't say that just recognizing the state was a big deal. you seem to ,  i don't. 
recognizing it and then trying your best to destroy it , well that isn't much if you 
ask me.
the british did every thing they could to stop the state of israel from being, they 
were given the mandate for a state of israel, not to make several arab states out of 
it, which is what they did.
try reading some history? they commanded the arab league:,john pasha glubb? so much an 
arab you couldn't tell him from one of them?
they sat by and watched 75 jews burn to death on their way to mt scopus , attacked by 
arabs and refused to intervene. many times they let the arabs attack and they stood by 
and did nothing to stop it. 
the refugee problem out of europe was no different. they had the time to stop and find 
the royal lippizen horses but not to bomb the railroad lines to the death camps. 
the jewish organizations came up with money to help refugees and the state department 
nixed every plan they came up with including using palestine as a refugee camp to save 
lives.
Try reading The Abandonment Of the Jews by David Wayman. 
leave it to you to try and defend them as having done so much for peace.
i wish that is all israel had to do was one thing to please the rest of the world. you 
make it seem so effortless.
the palestinian signed things for oslo how about making them live up to their 
agreements, which including helping israel keep the terrorists to a slow roar? that is 
what they agreed to do. they were suppose to do that before they became a state.
that was part of the deal, to stop the terorists. they have not done that so israel 
has no obligation to hand over any thing to them untill they do. 
it is pretty funny they had room and money for refugees that weren't jewish. you think 
the other jews should have paid for them. great. who paid for the 22,000 or so non 
jews refugees.
strange as it seems Tito's forces made more effort than the u.s. and britian to save 
jews. 
israel had ever right to have as many settlers as the country could hold. most of them 
were fleeing persicution . 
attitudes like yours made the state of israel a reality.what recognizing the state has 
to do with settlers is beyond me.the arabs had all of transjordan and that hasn't 
stopped them from trying to destroy israel which is in the palestinian charter, 
wesley, they aren't trying for peace. that isn't in their charter. read it.  
  
Wesley Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:50, donnella whitacre wrote:
> how about the arabs making some major efforts in the peace plan?

They already have.  The Palestinian recognition of Israel in the early 
nineties, was a change, a back-down from their demands for the entire 
territory of Mandatory Palestine.  And what did Israel do, once it had that 
recognition?  Up the rate of the settlers settling.

How about Israel make some serious effort to hold to its agreements?

> i am very 
>
They did it in Palestine, but not anywhere else.  Why not?
> * * *
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You ask, "What is the most important thing?"
Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata."
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