If you mean Francis Boyle, my sources are considerably wider, more dispassionate/impartial and definitely less committed to one side or the other than he is.
Certainly the land taken in the wars is a matter of dispute but I was not talking about that and was careful to avoid doing so as you can see if you read my posting - I was talking about land owned by the Jews at the time of the original creation of Israel, which I thought was the topic. Obviously my mistake - I thought that when the postings to which I was responding talked about the original creation of Israel and the prior ownership land on which it was created that that was the subject. I must have misread the postings to which I was responding. Perhaps I am wrong but from my understanding of history the dispute (apart from the right of Israel to exist at all) is not about the land that was bought or owned by the Jews at the time of the creation of Israel but about land subsequently taken either in the 1948 war of independence or the 1967 war. And I was not addessing taht issue. Garth Cartledge > > From: "(ARTEMIS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 16/11/2004 12:57:30 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Fundamental Rights > > > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Without contradicting anything anyone has said already on this subject, > > what has not yet been factored into this discussion is that the Jews > > were buying land in Palestine like mad from the 1880s so that by the > > time of partition in 1948 they actually legally owned most of the land > > in the areas that the United nations team suggested shoudl form the new > > Jewish state. > > > > The Jews had legally and without coercion acquired the land from the > > people who had hitherto legally owned it under the land ownership system > > operating in the land. > > > > Certainly other land came after the Palestinians fled follwing the Arab > > Israeli wars but a large area of Israel had been purchased by the Jews. > > > > Of course the issue of the creation of a nation based on ownership of > > land is another issue but, apart from any other issue driving teh > > creation of Israel,the murderous warfare between Jews and Arab that had > > been going on with increasing intensity in Palestine since at least the > > 1920s did suggest some form of partition > > > > Garth Cartledge > > > A land dispute means just that. As to who owned what that also was a > matter of interpretation. BUT when the war started along with the > propaganda by both sides what was certain and witnessed was the > dislocation of Arabs from their homes and the rebuilding on those sites > and villages by the Jews who TOOK them. That injustice has never been > properly adjudicated except it has been condemned by the international > community. And it will be reconciled in any future agreement or there > won't be one and that is what they have been saying all along. Even many, > if not most progressive Jews admit the crime and admit the only ones being > victimized are Palestinians. > > Ask Boyle. > > Hank > > > > > > ----- > / o o \ > ===OO=====OO============================================= > (4)Portals (2)News Wikis (2)Conferences - No BuSHIT! > Start here: http://pnews.org/ (On Internet since 1982) > http://pnews.org/PhpWiki/ (West Coast News Wiki) > http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (East Coast News Wiki) > ========================================================= > FIGHT THE RIGHT! > ================== > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/XgSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ----- / o o \ ===OO=====OO============================================= (4)Portals (2)News Wikis (2)Conferences - No BuSHIT! Start here: http://pnews.org/ (On Internet since 1982) http://pnews.org/PhpWiki/ (West Coast News Wiki) http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (East Coast News Wiki) ========================================================= FIGHT THE RIGHT! ================== Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rhetoric-list/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
