Mark Lanctot;195689 Wrote: 
> Can it?  From what I have seen of damaged CDs, EAC's estimate of where
> the "suspect positions" are varies from rip to rip.  It's close, but
> not identical.
> 
> When you think about a scratch, it's very possible that the same drive
> won't be affected the same way by it twice just due to how small a
> pit/land is versus the optical aberration a scratch creates.
> 
> The error would have to be identical down to the last single bit.  What
> are the odds of that, even given that the "damage level" hasn't
> changed?
> 
> I'm not trying to contradict you, I'm really just asking the question. 
> I could be wrong here.

There could be a few ways that this could happen. One of them is if the
drive is not really re-reading a bad block but keeps returning the same
bad cached result. I think that there has been some discussion of this
and ways of trying to make sure that your drive isn't caching but it
seems that it's difficult to tell. Also, I'll give you a real life
example that happened to me - not with music but with a Windows service
pack. I kept trying to install a service pack from CD and it kept
failing. So I copied it to the hard drive and and it still failed. I
copied it again to the hard drive to another location and it failed. I
did a compare and the two copies were the same but they wouldn't run.
This was a years ago in the days where downloading the service pack
again would take hours. Anyway, the service pack had worked on other
machines from the CD so I swapped out the drive in the machine and then
the service pack worked. I'm not sure what was wrong with the original
drive but whatever bad data it was spewing it was doing it
consistantly. Anyway, this may not be the best example because it was
data that I was working with. My guess is that whatever was wrong with
the drive would have made music ripped from it be unlistenable but I am
just throwing out some examples. I was aminly saying that you are pretty
much guaranteed to have a good rip if AccurateRip says it's good. With
that being said a lot of my discs come from YourMusic.com and they
don't match the AccurateRip database anyway. But since most of my
standard pressing have been verified by AccurateRip I feel fairly sure
that I am getting good rips. I do agree with you that if data is being
compromised by a scratch in the disc and that the drive is actually
re-reading that data it would likely vary.


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