aubuti;380339 Wrote: > When was the last time you went to a Springsteen show when there was a > "consistent listening level"? (Sorry, the Pete Seeger tour doesn't > count.) Of course it's supposed to have dynamic range. There's loud > stuff and there's soft stuff, and if one disc is predominantly soft > stuff it doesn't make sense to bump up the RG to make it as loud as the > loud stuff on another disc.
then you disagree with the whole point of RG itself. the whole point of RG is to give a consistent listening level. if you wanted to preserve the dynamic range across multiple discs (for some reason that escapes me since i don't think the artist ever intends that) then yes, one value for all discs is the way to go. but that makes it more likely that you'd have to adjust the volume knob at some point. its less likely necessary if you do per disc. aubuti;380339 Wrote: > As another example, take "In Your Honor" by Foo Fighters. Disc 1 is > typical rocking-loud FF fare, with an album gain value of -10.34. Disc > 2 is softer acoustic ballad-y stuff, with an album gain of -6.96. I > can't believe this is an accident of the mastering process. Disc 1 is > *supposed* to sound loud and disc 2 is *supposed* to sound softer. But > if one applies the separate disc-based album gains they sound equally > loud. If you apply the album-based album gain of -9.85, the dynamic > range of the *album* is preserved. i agree, but i am more interested in having to make minimal volume knob adjustments. if the softer disc is too low to hear at the same volume, most people turn it up, they don't say to themselves "i refuse to adjust the volume b/c the artist/engineer wanted it quieter than the first disc." and btw, the music itself has a lot to do with it the perception... metal at the same db seems louder than joan baez. so in your foo example, the same thing happens... the db is the same, but the perception remains different. aubuti;380339 Wrote: > A similar example is Rust Never Sleeps. I only have it on LP, so I don't > know what the RG values are, but side 1 (Neil playing solo on his > 12-string) is supposed to be softer than side 2 which is Neil and Crazy > Horse rocking out. It's one album, and I'll betcha if you rip and scan > the single-disc CD you'll get album gain values that make sense, with > the acoustic tracks sounding softer than the electric tracks. And > that's how it sounded in concert, too. But if it were a 2 disc set you > would apply different album gain tags and squash out all the dynamic > range. i have that cd actually, and as it is one disc, it only has one value. :) my point above applies here as well tho. aubuti;380339 Wrote: > A "matter of math"? I'd love to see your equations, including how less > data give you a more meaningful average. You say you want to get a > consistent listening level, and that would imply using track gain > instead of album gain. Can't get much less data than n=1. But you > (sensibly) disagree with that. Your "disc gain" concept is no-man's > land, but hey, fine if it suits your purposes. if i am listening to a random mix, i want track gain, if i am listening to an album, i want album gain, and i think everyone here agrees with that. MY WAY: the only point i am trying to make, is the resulting avg is more meaningful if applied per disc, IF what you want is a consistent listening volume that results in less volume knob adjustments from disc to disc. i contend that is in fact the point of replaygain in the first place. YOUR WAY: if however you want to preserve dynamic range across all discs, (which may or may not be intended), than your way makes sense, providing you will not adjust the volume knob at all over the course of however many discs you listen to, regardless of whether it seems too soft or too loud at various points. as to the math... i think its obvious that if your objective is "my way" above, then the album RG result (value) is more meaningful going per disc inside a given album, which means less tracks, than going by all tracks regardless of how many discs. i don't see how anyone can disagree with that? -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (my home) / SBR (parent's home) / SBC (my home) - w/SC 7.3.2b - Win XP Pro SP3 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57543 _______________________________________________ ripping mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
