Domnule Rosca, nu sunt pacifist si nici un anti-war militant, dar daca tot am adus vorba, haideti sa spunem lucrurilor pe nume ca doar nu avem de ce va teme, traim intr-o tara democratica si nu ne urmareste nimeni ca la ceausescu/iliescu:(. Sa stiti ca am stat si m-am gandit ca aveti dreptate! Da, aveti dreptate cand spuneti, imi permiteti sa va citez:"Intr-o situatie de conflict, tacerea cand inca nu au aparut victime, si protestul vehement dupa ce acestea apar, miroase puternic a oportunism." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romania_eu_list/message/24690 Da stimate domn, un astfel de "oportunist" este si generalul Wesley Clark, fost comandant al trupelor NATO in Europa cel care initial era pentru atacul direct asupra Iraq-ului si apoi si-a schimbat opinia! Da, aveti perfecta dreptate, si ca urmare v-as propune sa luati atitudine si, impreuna cu dl."sauzimdebine", lunadu-l in frunte pe bouleanul listei ce dovedeste cu prisosinta aptitudini de caprar("nu vreau sa las impresia ca as apartine sau am apartinut fortelor militare":), sa organizati de urgenta o "celula de criza" in care sa luati ferma pozitie impotriva acestor oportunisti ca generalul Clark, Michael Moore, si altii, in special studentii, asistentii si profesorii din universitati, doar dv. ca romani-americani aveti si modelul MINERIADELOR romanesti.Deci va rog sa numai asteptati,vedeti cum faceti si macar incercati domnilor sa organizati o mineriada americana(cu lopeti, bate, casmale) prin universitati sa-i puneti domnilor odata la punct pe studentii, asistentii si profesorii astia "marxisti-leninisti" care au in cap numai "socialism- stiintific":) de nu vor sa asculte si cartesc in front! Dupa ce cititi cele de mai jos, spre exemplu de "socialisti- stiintifici imbacsitii" americani, va mai rog sa nu va suparati pe subiectul cu Gorbaciov unde am uitat sa va amintesc ca "dinozaurul ala comunist", de fapt a primit premiul Nobel pentru Pace in 1990, sau ca Zidul Berinului a cazut in 1989 cand president nu mai era pe acolo...Oricum fiti sigur ca Gorbaciov a primit Nobel Prize printr-o consipratie anti-americana:), Richard Nixon insusi cand il numea "politicianul secolului", de fapt era un "imbacsit de socialism stiintific"...Deh, mai invata omul...
Va urez lectura placuta:)! Despre Gen Wesley Clark former Supreme Allied Commander Europe US Army(1997-2000 ), biografie: http://www.nato.int/cv/saceur/clark.htm http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0405.clark.html Broken Engagement The strategy that won the Cold War could help bring democracy to the Middle East-- if only the Bush hawks understood it. By General Wesley Clark former commander of NATO forces During 2002 and early 2003, Bush administration officials put forth a shifting series of arguments for why we needed to invade Iraq. Nearly every one of these has been belied by subsequent events. We have yet to find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq; assuming that they exist at all, they obviously never presented an imminent threat. Saddam's alleged connections to al Qaeda turned out to be tenuous at best and clearly had nothing to do with September 11. The terrorists now in Iraq have largely arrived because we are there, and Saddam's security forces aren't. And peace between Israel and the Palestinians, which prominent hawks argued could be achieved "only through Baghdad," seems further away than ever.... si o scrisoare a lui Michael Moore catre Gen. Clark: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2003- 09-12 Friday, September 12, 2003 Michael Moore to Wesley Clark: Run! A Citizen's Appeal to a General in a Time of War Dear General Wesley Clark, I've been meaning to write to you for some time. Two days after the Oscars, when I felt very alone and somewhat frightened by the level of hatred toward me for daring to suggest that we were being led into war for "fictitious reasons," one person stuck his neck out and came to my defense on national television. And that person was you. Aaron Brown had just finished interviewing me by satellite on CNN, and I had made a crack about me being "the only non-general allowed on CNN all week." He ended the interview and then turned to you, as you were sitting at the desk with him. He asked you what you thought of this crazy guy, Michael Moore. And, although we were still in Week One of the war, you boldly said that my dissent was necessary and welcome, and you pointed out that I was against Bush and his "policies," not the kids in the service. I sat in Flint with the earpiece still in my ear and I was floored -- a GENERAL standing up for me and, in effect, for all the millions who were opposed to the war but had been bullied into silence. Since that night, I have spent a lot of time checking you out. And what I've learned about you corresponds to my experience with you back in March. You seem to be a man of integrity. You seem not afraid to speak the truth. I liked your answer when you were asked your position on gun control: ?If you are the type of person who likes assault weapons, there is a place for you -- the United States Army. We have them.? In addition to being first in your class at West Point, a four star general from Arkansas, and the former Supreme Commander of NATO -- enough right there that should give pause to any peace-loving person -- I have discovered that... 1. You oppose the Patriot Act and would fight the expansion of its powers. 2. You are firmly pro-choice. 3. You filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court in support of the University of Michigan's affirmative action case. 4. You would get rid of the Bush tax "cut" and make the rich pay their fair share. 5. You respect the views of our allies and want to work with them and with the rest of the international community. 6. And you oppose war. You have said that war should always be the "last resort" and that it is military men such as yourself who are the most for peace because it is YOU and your soldiers who have to do the dying. You find something unsettling about a commander-in- chief who dons a flight suit and pretends to be Top Gun, a stunt that dishonored those who have died in that flight suit in the service of their country. General Clark, last night I finally got to meet you in person. I would like to share with others what I said to you privately: You may be the person who can defeat George W. Bush in next year's election. This is not an endorsement. For me, it's too early for that. I have liked Howard Dean (in spite of his flawed positions in support of some capital punishment, his grade "A" rating from the NRA, and his opposition to cutting the Pentagon budget). And Dennis Kucinich is so committed to all the right stuff. We need candidates in this race who will say the things that need to be said, to push the pathetically lame Democratic Party into having a backbone -- or get out of the way and let us have a REAL second party on the ballot. But right now, for the sake and survival of our very country, we need someone who is going to get The Job done, period. And that job, no matter whom I speak to across America -- be they leftie Green or conservative Democrat, and even many disgusted Republicans -- EVERYONE is of one mind as to what that job is: Bush Must Go. This is war, General, and it's Bush & Co.'s war on us. It's their war on the middle class, the poor, the environment, their war on women and their war against anyone around the world who doesn't accept total American domination. Yes, it's a war -- and we, the people, need a general to beat back those who have abused our Constitution and our basic sense of decency. The General vs. the Texas Air National Guard deserter! I want to see that debate, and I know who the winner is going to be. The other night, when you were on Bill Maher's show, he began by reading to you a quote from Howard Dean where he (Dean) tried to run away from the word "liberal." Maher said to you, so, General, do you want to run away from that word? Without missing a beat, you said "No!" and you reminded everyone that America was founded as a "liberal democracy." The audience went wild with applause. That is what we have needed for a long time on our side -- guts. I am sure there are things you and I don't see eye to eye on, but now is the time for all good people from the far left to the middle of the road to bury the damn hatchet and get together behind someone who is not only good on the issues but can beat George W. Bush. And where I come from in the Midwest, General, I know you are the kind of candidate that the average American will vote for. Michael Moore likes a general? I never thought I'd write these words. But desperate times call for desperate measures. I want to know more about you. I want your voice heard. I would like to see you in these debates. Then let the chips fall where they may -- and we'll all have a better idea of what to do. If you sit it out, then I think we all know what we are left with. I am asking everyone I know to send an email to you now to encourage you to run, even if they aren't sure they would vote for you. (Wesley Clark's email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]). None of us truly know how we will vote five months from now or a year from now. But we do know that this race needs a jolt -- and Bush needs to know that there is one person he won't be able to Dukakisize. Take the plunge, General Clark. At the very least, the nation needs to hear what you know about what was really behind this invasion of Iraq and your fresh ideas of how we can live in a more peaceful world. Yes, your country needs you to perform one more act of brave service -- to help defeat an enemy from within, at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, an address that used to belong to "we, the people." Yours, Michael Moore Lottery # 275, U.S. military draft, 1972 Conscientious Objector applicant [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.michaelmoore.com ori opinia unor britanici de la alegerile care abia s-au incheiat in UK sa vedeti si pe astia ce "socialisti stiintifici imbacsiti" sunt:)... ....Charles Kennedy, the amiable Scottish leader of Britain's third national party, the increasingly popular anti-war Liberal Democrats, voted in Fort William, in the Scottish Highlands with his wife Sarah. ....Blair's Labour won landslide victories in 1997 and 2001, but his popularity has eroded since he sent troops in support of the US-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003. Many Labour supporters now openly say they distrust Blair. The prime minister repeatedly warned that if too many disgruntled Labour voters, or even those just confident of a Labour win, stayed at home, it could bring a "back door" win for the Conservatives. ...At a polling station in Hammersmith-Fulham, probably the tightest race in London, Jane Wess, 30, cast her vote. "I voted LibDems, because I'm very much against the war in Iraq and against (university) tuition fees," she said. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Take a look at donorschoose.org, an excellent charitable web site for anyone who cares about public education! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_OLuKD/8WnJAA/cUmLAA/RR.olB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> *** sustineti [romania_eu_list] prin 1% din impozitul pe 2005 - detalii la http://www.europe.org.ro/euroatlantic_club/unulasuta.php *** Yahoo! 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