Din link se vede despre ce perioada e vorba.ideea in care apare aici textul, EVIDENT ca nu era electorala, ci pentru a argumenta ca prezentarea unor probleme din US nu insemna "socialism stiintific" sau conspiratii anti-americane, cum EXAGERAT au aparut reactiile unora.Adevarurile exprimate acolo de Gen. Clark raman VALABILE, in ciuda incercarilor de acoperie cu eticheta "electorala", care arata uneori numai neputinta de a suporta/explica realitatile, lucru de altfel scuzabil pentru cei aflati la distanta de subiect si au legatura cu el doar dintr-o anumita parte a mass-media... Nu cunosc situatia din Germania.Parca NU de la Germania se pornise discutia cu "manipulated Iraq policies";)).E si simplist modul de a devia subiectul spre vesnicul si obositul sablon cu "capitalistii si socialistii" de cate ori cineva mai prezinta si alte opinii decat cele OFICIALE!Parca ar aminti de cuvintele lui Herbert Hoover:"the only problem with capitalism is capitalists"...:(
In rest nu putem decat sa ne bucuram cand cineva din Romania recunoaste perfect exagerarile din declaratia unui Gen. NATO si in general din America, sau cand cate un domn "de bine" ne atrage atentia FARA NICI cel mai mic slab argument ca ceva/cineva "se ascunde in spatele finatarilor de la asa-zisele dezbateri din universitatile americane"...Inca mai astept explicatiile cat de hazlii ale "domnului de bine" cu "cine se ascunde in spatele, desigur daca ele exista, sa ne lumineze si pe noi "intunericitii"... Btw, ca un amanunt: rata somajului declarat de 10.6% in Germania la o populatie de 82.5 mil. insemana circa 8.5 mil. de someri, NU 5 mil;). http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gm.html tot btw, o alta cifra merita rectificata la 5.5%,de la 5% cat ai scris, mai nou de fapt pe la 5.7% in 2005, cam dublu fata de anul 2000 cand era 3.9%! http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html Mai departe, Mihai, spre edificare despre unde pot duce EXAGERARILE in consecinta, ti-as sugera sa incerci sa afli cum o politica rigida dintr-o anumita perioada a Cold War(McCharty), o perioada perimata din care se insipra inca ACUM in 2005 "gandirea" simplista a unor personaje, a EXAGERAT in consecinta refuzandu-i lui Chaplin cetatenia US dupa 27 de ani de superba cariera americana!Tot pentru edificare de exagerare pornind de la "vanatoarea de vrajitoare anti-americane", inca un exemplu mai jos din viata unui om al carui nume te las sa-l ghicesti(prenumele Joe), si cateva versuri spre destindere...: Joseph was born in New York on November 5 1938. At the time of his birth his father Jules, a Russian, was attempting to launch an acting career while his mother B�atrice Launer, a Hungarian-born musician, was working as a violinist in an all-female orchestra. Soon after Joseph's birth, the family moved to Los Angeles where his father, Jules, became one of the most prominent Hollywood movie directors of the 40's. Meanwhile young Joe spent a golden childhood in California with his sisters Rickie and Julie. Yet Joe's idyllic childhood came to an abrupt end during the McCarthy era when his father was blacklisted in Hollywood because of his political beliefs and could no longer find work. The family left the States and began a long period of wandering from country to country, young Joe being dragged from one school to another. They eventually settled in Paris in 1950. Joe, who appeared to be far more passionate about sport than about his school studies, nevertheless managed to pass his 'baccalaur�at' in Grenoble, even gaining a distinction. The young boy was obviously destined for a university career, but following his parents' divorce in 1956, Joe left France and returned to the United States. It was here that he would finally enroll at University of Michigan, studying medicine before switching to ethnology. A gifted student, he soon went on to obtain a PHD in ethnology. Joe meets Berry Gordy and Bob Dylan During his student days Joe earned his living through a series of odd jobs, working as a cook, a dustbin man and a plumber, before landing a job as a DJ on WCX radio in Detroit in 1958. It was here that he met Berry Gordy, the famous creator of Tamla Motown. During his stay in the States Joe became friendly with a number of top names in the music business including young 60's folk singer, Pete Seeger, who introduced him to a young man by the name of Robert Zimmerman (who would later become the legendary Bob Dylan). Joe was gradually becoming interested in music himself and he would frequently go busking with a French friend, performing classic Brassens's songs on the sidewalks and cafe terraces. This proved to be useful experience for young Joe, as it gave him plenty of guitar practice. In the early 60's Joe returned to France where he continued to pick up a series of odd jobs. His father found him work in the film industry but it was Joe's presenting job on the Paris-based radio station RTL which proved to be the turning-point of his whole career. For it was here that Joe met a press attach� from the record label CBS who persuaded him to record a first single. Joe's d�but single "Je change un peu de vent", an adaptation of a popular American song of the time, was released in March 1965. It was something of a flop, selling only 1,800 copies, but Joe was undeterred by this early failure. He had been bitten by the music bug and was now absolutely determined to launch a singing career. After a fateful encounter with the songwriter Jacques Plaid Joe's career got off to a flying start. Plaid's songs soon got the young singer rocketing to the top of the charts and the first hit "Bip Bip", released in 1966, turned him into an overnight star. Joe's husky, deep voice, his exotic American origins and his natural elegance caused a real stir on the French music scene and the singer's new repertoire of American folk songs and country music proved to be a welcome novelty in 60's France... Le g�n�ral a dit Le g�n�ral a dit: "Fermier Toi qui n'as pas de quoi manger Prends ta machette, viens, suis moi" Et je le suis depuis des mois Chante l'ami plus fort que moi Sois plus ivre si tu peux Danse l'ami, ne pense pas Cette nuit on est heureux Viens me parler de ton pays De ta femme et de ton champ Chante l'ami, car tout s'oublie En chantant Le g�n�ral a dit qu'il faut Prendre la ville de Tampico Quand viendra l'aube elle br�lera Et j'ai mon p�re qui vit l�-bas Chante l'ami plus fort que moi Sois plus ivre si tu peux Danse l'ami, ne pense pas Cette nuit on est heureux Viens me parler de ton pays De ta femme et de ton champ Chante l'ami, car tout s'oublie En chantant Vous, mes parents, vous m'attendez Dans la maison o� je suis n� Mais je n'ai plus de ville natale C'est ce que dit le g�n�ral Chante l'ami plus fort que moi Sois plus ivre si tu peux Danse l'ami, ne pense pas Cette nuit on est heureux Viens me parler de ton pays De ta femme et de ton champ Chante l'ami, car tout s'oublie En chantant Si j'ai tu�, si j'ai vol� J'en ai encore le coeur serr� Tu me pardonneras le mal C'est ce que dit le g�n�ral Chante l'ami plus fort que moi Sois plus ivre si tu peux Danse l'ami, ne pense pas Cette nuit on est heureux Viens me parler de ton pays De ta femme et de ton champ Chante l'ami, car tout s'oublie En chantant Le g�n�ral nous a promis De l'argent et du pain blanc Et des troupeaux et l'eau des pluies Et la terre aux paysans Et dans les rues de Mexico On nous fera un carnaval Chante l'ami, danse l'ami Et longue vie au g�n�ral --- In [email protected], Mihai Zodian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ar trebui totusi mentionat ca acel articol are un caracter electoral si exagereaza in consecinta. E suficient, pentru comparatii, sa ne uitam la dezbaterile din Germania, unde sunt circa 5 milioane de someri, iar politicienii de la guvernare dau vina pe "capitalisti", pentru a nu lua asemenea afirmatii prea mult in serios in afara contextului alegerilor de anul trecut. Decalajul social din America nu este doar problema administratiei Bush, este si a fostelor administratii Clinton, Bush sr., Reagan etc. Nici nu se menationeaza nici cate slujbe s-au creat in acea perioada (rata somajului e de 5% in SUA). ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Take a look at donorschoose.org, an excellent charitable web site for anyone who cares about public education! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_OLuKD/8WnJAA/cUmLAA/RR.olB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> *** sustineti [romania_eu_list] prin 1% din impozitul pe 2005 - detalii la http://www.europe.org.ro/euroatlantic_club/unulasuta.php *** Yahoo! 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