Ar trebui totusi mentionat ca acel articol are un caracter electoral si exagereaza in consecinta. E suficient, pentru comparatii, sa ne uitam la dezbaterile din Germania, unde sunt circa 5 milioane de someri, iar politicienii de la guvernare dau vina pe "capitalisti", pentru a nu lua asemenea afirmatii prea mult in serios in afara contextului alegerilor de anul trecut. Decalajul social din America nu este doar problema administratiei Bush, este si a fostelor administratii Clinton, Bush sr., Reagan etc. Nici nu se menationeaza nici cate slujbe s-au creat in acea perioada (rata somajului e de 5% in SUA).
dan_d_n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit :
dan_d_n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit :
:))Unde dai si unde crapa.Intrebarea asta cu "de unde vin finatarile
din spatele unor asa-zise dezbateri in universitatile
americane"aminteaste de Piata Univerisitatii 1990, cand FSN-istii la
fel se exprimau si gandeau acuzandu-i pe universitari si studenti ca
ar fi manipulati de interese straine(mai era unul cu "agenturili
straine":)), ori de liberali si taranisti care "le-au dat blugi si
dolari":)).E trist ca exista romani care (am avut un alt exemplu pana
mai ieri, acum iese la iveala "sauzimdebine") in 2005 si gandesc la
fel cu muncitorii fsnisti(IMGB face ordine) din Romania anului 1990:((
Intr-adevar "sauzimdebine" daca n-ai generaliza din nou ai intelege
ca nu este posibil ca finantarile pentru dezbaterile din universitati
sa vina din aceiasi sursa, basca sa fie si vreo conspiratie demna de
mintile foarte opace la mediul universitar...Nu de alta dar o bruma
de gandire te-ar putea ajuta sa descoperi ca e imposibil ca
dezbaterile de la Yale la U of M sau in orice alta universitate sa
fie coordonate de acelasi loc "de unde vin finantarile", aviz
amatorilor de consipratii anti-americane din mediul universitar
american pe schelet de gandire "Hei-Rup-minereasca"...
Regret ca s-a reactionat la aluzia cu "abureala de whiskey" venind
asa otova cu "socialismul stiitific", pentru ca de fapt viza o
anumita categorie sau mai bine zis un anumit personaj, am aratat.
Pana atunci ramane sa te gandesti/sa iti amintesti cu cate zeci de
miliarde $ s-au suplimentat cheltuielile de razboi pentru Iraq,
cateva saptamani in urma, si cu cat (nu) s-au suplimentat
cheltuielile pentru educatie, ca o comparatie...
Mai departe ar fi si mai bine daca ai intelege ca nu a tine sa "ai
dreptate", asa cum atat simplist te exprimi, este important.Important
e sa intelegem ca:
1.(am aratat) ideea conspiratiilor anti-americane din uniunea
europena este o exagerare demna de imaginatii avantate, diferentele
in actiune fiind cel mult rezultatul unei optici diferinte(de ex, Fr.
e interesata principal in Africa si nu in Middle East.in cazul US
lucrurile stau invers)
2.Ar fi productiv pentru cei ce inca se imagineaza in "The Manciurian
Candidate"(1962) alaturi de Frank Sinatra(btw,acolo tocmai oamenii
comunistilor ii acuzau pe ceilelti ca ar fi comunisti!), sa inteleaga
ca zecile de milioane de americani nemultumiti de situatia din tara
lor nu sunt nici consiprationisti antiamericani, nici socialisti, ci
sunt oameni care gandesc si care au suficiente motive sa se indoiasca
de ceea ce vad/aud pentru ca patriotismul nu inseamna sa iti
insurubezi degetele in urechi si sa-ti astupi ochii cu palmele,
lasandu-ti vederea libera numai atunci cand apare presedintele la TV
si palmele vor fi folosite pentru aplauze...
Cum spunea Wesley Clark:"I say when you are in a hole, stop digging.
This country is in a deep hole!".
Mai ofer o lectura din acelasi Gen.Wesley Clark care de altfel e atat
de actual, dar si opinii ale unor analisti CIA(si mai jos):
A New American Patriotism
Today, America faces serious challenges. Our nation has endured the
deadliest attack in its history. We feel our security threatened here
at home for the first time since the Cuban Missile Crisis. In fact
all across America we see huge problems and yet our President says
everything is just fine.
Well I don't have to tell you that everything isn't fine.
In President Bush's America, 44 million of Americans have no health
insurance. And that's not fine.
In President Bush's America, nearly 3 million private sector jobs
have been lost in three years, more than at anytime since Herbert
Hoover was President. And that's not fine.
In President Bush's America, 35 million people are in poverty - more
than at any time in our history. And that's not fine.
In President Bush's America, 12 million children live below the
poverty line, and in the greatest and richest country in the world,
that is definitely not fine.
So we have big challenges. Some of the biggest we've ever faced.
Meeting these challenges is going to take new leadership, new ideas,
and a new spirit of patriotism. I'm running for President because I
believe I can offer the first two: new leadership, armed with new
ideas.
But the third thing-what I call a New American Patriotism-is
something that comes not only from our leaders but from our citizens,
from Americans like you, who work the long hours, make the tough
choices, and make the sacrifices to give your children, and all our
children, a better future.
As I travel across this country, I see a new spirit of patriotism in
the American people. I see it in the Americans who speak their minds,
demand more of their leaders, and serve their country.
This New American Patriotism recognizes that democracy demands
discussion, disagreement, and dissent. There is a nothing more
American-nothing more patriotic-than speaking out in defense of
freedom, questioning authority, and holding your leaders accountable.
This patriotism is born of a love of country. To me, loving your
country means more than wanting it to be strong. It means being
respected around the world.
It means wanting every American to have an honest chance here at home-
a fair shot at a great education, a rewarding job, an opportunity to
provide for your family and give something back to your community.
One of the things that I loved about the Army is that everyone, from
every background, had a chance to advance. Let me tell you, that
sense of equality, the sense that it's not who you know but what you
know that counts does a lot for morale-and a lot for performance.
The same ideal applies to our country. There are great inequalities
in America-vast wealth and deep poverty. But that doesn't have to
divide us-as long as everyone has an opportunity, a chance to
succeed.
My love for country is what led me to join the Army. I love our
troops and honor our veterans. They're doing everything we asked them
to do. But I'm very concerned about the direction our country is
headed at home and abroad. And I'll talk more about that -
particularly the situation in Iraq and the war on terror - in the
days to come.
Today, however, I want to speak about strengthening our economy-and,
even more, about strengthening the values that we bring to the
challenge. I've been talking in recent weeks about the jobs crisis,
which is my first priority; but the jobs situation is also part of a
broader crisis in Washington, which is the total collapse of fiscal
responsibility and accountability that we expect from our leaders.
I want talk to you about how America got into this fix-and about the
principles that will help lead us out of it.
http://www.clark04.com/speeches/006/
Former CIA analyst says Iraq policies manipulated
By Kayur Patel
Collegian Staff Writer
Ray McGovern, a former intelligence analyst, has seen the CIA from
the inside.
Last night, in a speech in front of more than 200, McGovern shared
how presidential administrations "cooked intelligence" to fit their
agendas.
He reflected on his own experience as a CIA analyst of 27 years,
including during the Vietnam era and related it to the current
situation in Iraq.
McGovern spoke of the way President George W. Bush's administration
handled Iraq.
"The decision to attack Iraq was made January 30, 2001," McGovern
said. "In a meeting with national security officials, Bush's message
wasn't about if or whether we should get Saddam, it was when and
where."
McGovern said the only thing left for Bush to do before attacking
Iraq was to convince Congress to go to war. He said Bush convinced
Congress with a forged document saying Iraq was seeking uranium in
Africa.
McGovern also discussed the number of U.S. troops in Iraq. He said
U.S. Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki needed 400,000 troops, but
only received a fraction of that.
"If these guys get four more years, you'll see 500,000 troops in
Iraq," McGovern said. "We're not going to get 500,000 troops without
a draft."....
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2004/10/10-14-04tdc/10-14-
04dnews-11.asp
--- In [email protected], "sauzimdebine"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Daca nu ai generaliza, din nou, in caracterizarile pe care le faci
si
> daca ai aduce alte argumente in afara sustinerilor reciproce dintre
> Wesley Clark si Michael Moore, sau Michael Moore si Wesley Clark
daca
> ordinea conteaza, poate, candva undeva departe, vei ajunge sa ai si
> dreptate. Pana atunci ... cauta si afla de unde vin finantarile din
> spatele unor asa zise dezbateri in universitatile americane, sa vezi
> ce surprize o sa ai.
>
> 'in rest sauzimdebine'
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