Recunosc ca sunt destul de sceptic in privinta "convertirii" lui Irving cum de altfel nici judecatorii nu au fost prea convinsi - "The three judges and eight jurors were not impressed by Irving's change of heart in the courtroom". Dar admitand ca poate chiar si-ar fi schimbat opiniile in acest sens, a facut-o din motive gresite. Frica, si nu interesul pentru adevarul istoric l-au determinat sa faca acea declaratie. Ca dovada, Irving a adus cu el in sala de judecata cartea care l-a facut celebru. Doar decizia instantei, care de altfel l-a socat pe Irving, l-a determinat sa-si retraga afirmatiile anterioare.
In ceea ce priveste distinctia intre negarea Holocaustului si promovarea antisemitismului, cred ca e important ca ea sa fie operata, chiar daca imi dau seama ca linia de separatie intre cele doua este destul de subtire. Daca Irving a participat la intalniri ale miscarilor neo-naziste atunci el ar fi trebuit
condamnat pentru asa ceva, sau mai corect spus doar pentru asa ceva, dar nu pentru faptul ca a negat existenta Holocaustului. Faptul ca Irving a negat existenta Holocaustului si in acelasi timp a dat dovada si de un comportament antisemitic nu exclude posibilitatea ca in lume sa existe oameni care nu sunt antisemiti dar cum spuneam si in mesajul precedent, din diverse motive, nu concep ca aceasta tragedie chiar a avut loc. Stiu ca aceste diferente pot parea simple nuante, dar cred ca nuantele sunt importante atunci cand cineva este pedepsit cu inchisoarea. Trebuie sa fim atenti exact ce anume pedepsim.
In ultima instanta, vorba profesorului Richard Evans (Cambridge), "Irving was virtually forgotten before this trial came up and it's simply drawing unjustified attention to a discredited figure."
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Vali Nas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sunt de parere ca 10 ani de inchisoare, sau 100, nu ii vor schimba lui Irving convingerile...El zice ca i le-au schimbat:"He [David Irving] conceded that he had been mistaken when he claimed in two speeches in 1989 that gas chambers at Auschwitz were a "fairytale". [...] He said that he now accepted that millions of Jews were indeed murdered in Nazi death camps. "I am not a Holocaust denier. My views have changed," he said outside court. "History is a constantly growing tree: the more you learn, the more documents are available, the more you learn, and I have learned a lot since 1989. "Yes, there were gas chambers," Mr Irving added. "Millions of Jews died, there is no question. I dont know the figures. Im not an expert on the Holocaust."> Privarea de libertate nu cred insa ca ii va face mai receptivi la realitate.Who knows? Le va da cu siguranta un binemeritat timp de gandire (eventual si de razgandire, vezi cazul lui Irving).> cred sincer ca o lege precum cea din Austria [...] este inutila si ineficace si aici am in vedere tocmai cazul lui David Irving. [...]> In [...] cazul promovarii antisemitismului, ca de altfel a oricarei forme de rasism sau ura religioasa, legea este mai mult decat necesara!Spuneti ca legea este inutila si ineficace in cazul lui Irving, dar este mai mult decat necesara in cazul promovarii antisemitismului si a oricarei forme de rasism. Cred ca va contraziceti -- cititi concluziile judecatorului Charles Gray:"Irving is anti-Semitic. His words are directed against Jews, either individually or collectively, in the sense that they are by turn hostile, critical, offensive and derisory in their references to Semitic people, their characteristics and appearances ... Irving has made claims that the Jews deserve to be disliked; that they brought the Holocaust on themselves. He speaks regularly at political or quasi-political meetings in Germany, the United States, Canada and the New World. The content of his speeches and interviews often displays a distinctly pro-Nazi and anti-Jewish bias. He makes surprising and often unfounded assertions about the Nazi regime which tend to exonerate the Nazis for the appalling atrocities which they inflicted on the Jews. He is content to mix with neo-facists and appears to share many of their racist and anti-Semitic prejudices.The charges which I have found to be substantially true include the charges that Irving has for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence; that for the same reasons he has portrayed Hitler in an unwarrantedly favourable light, principally in relation to his attitude towards and responsibility for the treatment of the Jews; that he is an active Holocaust denier; that he is anti-Semitic and racist and that he associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism."Deci, conform celor spuse de dvs., legea este mai mult decat necesara in cazul lui Irving, dovedit antisemit si rasist.> [...] avem datoria de a invata corect istoria si de a-i ridiculiza si "desfiinta" atunci cand astfel de indivizi au pretentia ca sunt istorici seriosi. Numai astfel le putem distruge pretinsa autoritate de specialisti in domeniu.Foarte corect. Irving a reusit singur chestia asta. S-a ridiculizat si auto-desfiintat o data cu pierderea procesului de calomnie intentat lui Deborah Lipstadt, "a High Court libel trial that demolished his reputation as a historical researcher". Din pacate sentinta recenta l-a readus in atentia publicului. "Irving was virtually forgotten before this trial came up and it's simply drawing unjustified attention to a discredited figure." (Richard J Evans, the Cambridge history professor whose forensic demolition of Irving's research was key to that defeat).Cel mai bine a spus-o Deborah Lipstadt: "The one thing he deserves, he really deserves, is obscurity.ValiAn aristocratic title is not enough to ensure a noble behaviour. A person's greatness comes from acknowledging the mistakes and agreeing to correct them."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." (Jimi Hendrix)
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