1) Obtaining information is not the COMBAT; USING the information obtained is the START of Combat.
2 The problem with seekers of information is that they are confused by all the RTI websites/groups and false experts. They are not prepared to accept that their real problem is within themselves and their own frustrations. 3) RTI is only a tool(and a very small and weak tool) to get a glimpse at information. That glimpse is more than enough to start your Combat. 4) Dont believe me, believe yourself and learn from your own mistakes. 5) The reason Malay and so many others are not getting ahead with RTI is because they believe in RTI and all the other meaningless nonsense which was written into the PREAMBLE of the RTI Act to comfort them. It is like believing in the "10 year warranty" of a soon to be bankrupt company which is clearing out its stock at any price to gullible consumers. 6)I dont deprecate agitation, I deprecate foolish people who are happy to be cannon fodder for generals and big shots of RTI who exploit them and live in foreign financed luxury. Sarbajit --- In [email protected], Malay Bhattacharyya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > I understood & really appreciate Monoj Kamraji's advice to use RTI at the SIC. But, may be due to my ineptitude on the subject, I fail to understand the 'pichkari' concept of Mr. Roy. As I was given to understand "It(RTI) enhances the accountability of the Government, improves decision-making, provides better information to elected representatives, enhances Government credibility with its citizens, AND PROVIDES A POWERFUL AID IN THE FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION" So I hope you will appreciate that combat/fight mode is incororated within the prelude of the Act. And I hope you will also appreciate with what Frederick Douglas once said that "Those who profess to favour freedom, & depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without ploughing the ground". > I don't know much about other States, in West Bengal, the Right to Information is presently the Fight for Information, that'll continue untill established. > In Solidarity, > ~MALAY~ > > sroy1947 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Group > > If we see the title of Malay's post, he is asking for advice on how to > "COMBAT". Manoj Kamra is also in the "Combat" mode. IMHO these are not > combat issues - if we try combat using a piddling little "weapon" like > RTI we will lose. RTI is now like a pichkari used for Holi. > > The only role left for RTI - is what it is originally intended for - > to get information to citizens. How we use the information is beyond RTI. > > We should instead concentrate on Combating ourselves, to refrain from > asking stupid / invalid questions to PIOs in RTI, to plan our RTI > requests carefully, and to use every mistake of PIO/PA to our advantage. > > Finally, we should run very far away from RTI activists, NGOs and > other foreign financed pimps who are agitating RTI as a magic bullet > for remedying corruption. Penicillin was similarly touted as the > silver bullet for syphillis, it became ineffective due to gross > overuse and the virus / system got resistant and learnt to counter it. > > Sarbajit > > --- In [email protected], "Manoj K. Kamra" <kamramk8@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sh.Malay,Sh.Pai,Sarbajit Royji, > > > > In my opinion,detailed RTI applications for such matter to SIC can > > be useful to some extent without any big external effort. > > > > On every such decision/pending case at SIC,there can be a separate > > RTI application---like copy of rule for not imposing penality for > > giving false reply;copy of notesheet of postponed dates of hearings > > showing justification,PIO presence,if any.;copy of causelists of > > last two months,receipt&dispatch register(which will reveal > > deliberate idleness). > > > > Ultimately,second appeal hearings of PIO of SIC by SIC penalising > > its own PIO(or giving false decision to protect him) can be breaking > > news item and can compel SIC to improve its working. > > > > regards > > Manoj K.Kamra > > > > --- In [email protected], "sroy1947" <sroy1947@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Malay/ Manoj > > > > > > The situation in WB is beyond repair. The state is now a Police / > > > Fascist State and these issues cannot be solved through RTI. > > > What is even more worrying is that this virus seems to be > > > spreading to other parts of India. > > > > > > This issue will only be solved if President's Rule is imposed > > > on such States, but with the Centre dependent on these fascist > > > forces it seems unlikely in the short term. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Manoj Pai <manojpai@> wrote: > > > > > > > > To cut a long story short, I deviate slightly from the > > > > thread and wish to ask.... Has the Public Authority - > > > > the Municipality in your case, implemented Section 4 > > > > of RTI Act? If not, that should a strong ground in > > > > your favour. > > > > > > > > I would also insist that all RTI Activist should now > > > > focus on on Section 4 implementation and strongly > > > > impress on all Public Authorities for suo-motu > > > > declaration be made immediately. This should solve > > > > over a majority of the problems. > > > > > > > > The PAs cannot plead ignorance now. They had over two > > > > years time for this. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Manoj Pai > > > > Ahmedabad > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Malay Bhattacharyya > > > > <bhattacharyyamalay@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > The conspicuous dismal performance of the West > > > > > Bengal Information Commission is a known fact to > > > > > all, by now. Hopefully due to this, as expected, we > > > > > are regularly receiving complaints in writing from > > > > > different parts of West Bengal, that the Government > > > > > Officials are threatening the RTI Applicants (mostly > > > > > the BPL Community)of dire consequences if they file > > > > > RTI applications. Some senior bureaucrats even went > > > > > on showing visiting cards of the Hon'ble SCIC & the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > _______________ > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JUSTICE 4 ALL ! > > --------------------------------- > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
