On Sep 23, 2009, at 2:24 PM, William Stein wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Rob Beezer > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> +/- 0 to logging. I can argue both sides. >> >> On the one hand, I know I have seen things on #sage-devel that I >> think >> would be better off not being posted and indexed - in particular, a >> flamer and a naive-sage-support-poster being critiqued. Nothing >> necessarily wrong with that, mostly folks blowing off steam, but >> better I think to be "of the moment" than on the Internet Archive. I >> imagine logging will have some influence on the informality of the >> discussions (which I would miss). >> >> But, as has been demonstrated the past couple of days, a lot of >> valuable information flows by. I often cut out tidbits to save for >> later - such as when Citro and Alexander were doing release >> management >> together. Others cut/paste from IRC onto tickets when the discussion >> is technical, serious and applicable. >> >> Is it not relatively easy for an individual to log by themselves >> locally? Maybe not an ideal compromise, but still a middle ground. >> But of course, that doesn't give the new developer any history. >> Maybe >> Harald is proposing a formal logged channel and an informal non- >> logged >> channel, which would be another middle ground. >> >> Disclaimer: 100% of my IRC experience is on #sage-devel >> > > For the Sage project I think it would *best* if we changed our > behavior on #sage-devel and make the #sage-devel logs public and > searchable. The benefit to the project overall is that less gets > discussed "in secret", process -- such as release management -- gets > archived, etc. If people want to blow of steam or behave in a less > than archivable way, they should do so elsewhere (e.g., #sage-flame). > > Also, by making the #sage-devel logs public, many more people will > benefit from what happens there.
+1 I've benefited from IRC logs of other projects when trying to troubleshoot things. > I would go so far as to recommend > that we auto-email the logs each day to sage-devel. > Note that typically less than 20 people are logged into #sage-devel at > any time, and there is no posted log, so the people that benefit from > #sage-devel are about 2% of the subscribers to the sage-devel mailing > list, which isn't much. -1 to the idea of auto-emailing to sage-devel. If you want, we could make a sage-logs group like sage-trac, but sage-devel is high-volume enough as it is. Personally, this is one more email I'd delete every time it came in (I'd would like to be able to search them if I was looking for something). - Robert --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send an email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
