Hello Saliganvkars
Hope all is well with all in their respective niches around the world.
At the risk of introducing old subjects, am forwarding an old mail that seems
to have relevance today - or at least I think so.
1) Books at the Library of the Saligao Institute. Did get a reply to my mail
& am satisfied. Thanks to those concerned. Will be in Goa next January, will
then followup & check on the books to be donated - I had exhausted the Library
anyway but Fiona is still interested. However will include the original
sentence here that I would not agree with.
"However people are of the view that with the free availability of internet and
cable TV the reading habit of books has gone down."
Well not for me or some of my peers - yeh yeh! we have become senior citizens
since we last raided the Library in Saligao 😞 but we still read by begging,
borrowing or buying books. Internet & Cable T.V. can never be the same as
reading a book & imbibing all the nuances, grammar, etc.....
Perhaps some people are right about the Internet etc. but I am not one of
those.......anyway, that shouldnt discourage the rest of us from reading or
getting the youngsters to read. It is a whole different experience holding a
book & reading & putting it aside when required,.... from reading on the Net
etc.Reading books I have found, over the years, helps us take in more material
quickly which has helped us absorb quicker the subject matter in our text books
in school & college. I have noted this with those of my peers who didnt read &
with some of the youngsters of today too. And I have now been reading on the
newspapers (also a good way for children to absorb matters of the world &
storing in their memory for the future, instead of googling for answers only
when required) that some well known authors are still having their books
printed, bound....whatever.... & sold .....with newly written stories on
various subjects, or sequels to their original stories/books.
2) Present situation in India and.......PM Modi, BJP et al.....
Where did that sentence come from - first time I have heard or read about it,
"Congress for Catholics & BJP for Hindus".....strange! But we have to play the
"wait & watch" game.
Guess all have been reading newspapers, on the Net, watching Cable T.V.,
NewsT.V....... NDTV...not that all can be believed of course, but there is no
smoke without fire eh?Wait game is over for me, watch game is on..... & what a
game!
Reference is being made by various Indians on religion, communal harmony,
politics, Secular Constitution, Secular Govt, Hindutva, minorities, choice of
meals......
By the way Rico, I hope you are not going to pull me up for Point No.2 as being
non-Saligao material since the matter (in red) was included in SaligaoNet
before, & a little lack of harmony or disharmony (call it what you will) is
slowly reaching or has reached some of our village folk...not too sure if it is
just them digging in their heels or just their interpretation of all that is
going on at present.
Have a good day!
Hoe you all enjoyed your lunch or are going to enjoy some meal or the other
soon (your choice of course😉) in whichever part of the world you are in..
I am off to lunch of course.😁
Ta raAnnette
From: [email protected]: [email protected]
Subject: BOOKS???
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 10:15:39 +0000
Is the topic still books & Library?...and Saligao?
Are there really Catholic Exorcists in Goa? Really? I will take your word for
it, Dilip. I know only of the People in Goa who "take out" Evil Eye using red
chillies, salt & saying the Apostles Creed whilst doing so. I think there is
some reference in the Bible on this but dont quote me please.
The first time I came across schizophrenia in a Goan I knew way back in 1982,
the treatment took the form of tablets which were administered by a Doctor at
the Goa Medical College..... although at that time, some Goans thought it was
"madness" of the first order. Those people are now living normal lives or as
near as normal since schizophrenia can be controlled but not cured..... or am I
wrong in what I have come across?
Where did that sentence come from - first time I have heard or read about it,
"Congress for Catholics & BJP for Hindus".....strange! But we have to play the
"wait & watch" game.
Moderators, co-Moderators, all the paras seem "off topic" to me, so I guess
they will get axed even though they are replies to previous mails. I have no
issues either way.....
Ta ra
Annette
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [SALIGAONET] BOOKS
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 15:22:24 +0000
Dear Friends
Some vested interest has created a sort of phobia that congress is for catholic
people and BJP is for the hindus. In the begining lots of people from across
the border came to tell people that Gujerat is burning because they know we
goans will be carried away by the words that flow from sacred mouth. I went on
the net to really find out about Gujerat and found that what was said was not
even half way true. There are villages in gujerat that looks like cities .Even
Delhi may lack what I saw. Computers in the school, every house in a particular
village had toilets . Schools were clean and internet facilities in the village
etc etc some of the villages were green with fields showing bumper crops. What
we see in Goa is people build houses in fields and others just sit at the tinto
and criticise. Our mouths are always open. we never investigate and that is why
some people fool us with stories that are not true.
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 17:24:38 +0400
Subject: Re: [SALIGAONET] BOOKS
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
All I ever seem to achieve when I attempt to generate intelligent conversation
is to awaken the arch-creationists and their editor-in-chief.
Modi's clean-up campaign we hope will help the village. But his election was
not to be applauded.
Were he to be successful in his endeavour to improve infrastructure and control
corruption, the village will benefit directly... but we were directed to take
that conversation elsewhere. How petty!
I take no blame for the suspended animation of the site; as many have said, we
need to broaden the boundaries of conversation.
And when we publish loudly made statements that irritate every fibre of logical
thinking such as 'God gave us clean air', our arch-creationists and their very
silent editor should expect a little feedback. Here it is:
1. when earth was first formed its atmosphere was not conducive to life. Do our
children know this? Do they know just how 'polluted' the atmosphere was when
single-cell organisms first appeared?
2. Creationists must surely believe God created pollution too...plastic bags,
toxic fumes and all. Or is there some arbitary allocation process at work that
only creationists understand? Are our children thought to question things in
these ways or do we think a Enid Blyton and book of prayer library will suffice?
No dear editor. My selection of books is not bait but necessity. It is loudly
proclaimed creationist noises that make it important to broaden the boundaries
of this group, and to introduce books of science into the library which would
otherwise only consist of Enid Blyton and a couple of bibles.
And having just read Pope Francis' speech to Catholic exorcists - yes,
exorcists- in Rome, I personally wont waste my time reading him any more, even
though he was recommended by our controller. Catholic exorcists still 'treat'
schizophrenia in Goa and Brazil by exorcising spirits. They'd be gaoled if they
tried those nasty tricks in secular scientific societies nowadays.
More balance and a less prescriptive editorship, please.
--- Original Message ---
From: "Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا"
<[email protected]>
Sent: 28 October 2014 17:31
To: "saligaonet" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [SALIGAONET] BOOKS
Hi Dilip,
Just a few suggestions. Hope you find these as polite as your mail...
Saligao-Net is dependent for its posts on all its members. That includes you.
So if you take a dig at inactivity and obituaries, then it means we are all
(including you) are not doing enough. Please step on the gas!
Just btw, Saligao-Net is also active on Facebook. I guess younger,
Facebook-prone members find that a more convenient place to cyber-meetup. Are
you there?
Any books are food for thought. But four books are far from sufficient to build
a library. And a priority before the SI (apart from gaining more members), is
to get an active library going. Agreed, this is a tough job.
As for your offer (bait?) of Dawkins and Hitchens, I must concede I'm not great
fan of them. They come across as teenagers who have just discovered the impact
of their disbelief. A Pope Francis, a Leonard Boff, a Tissa Balasuriya or even
a Fidel and Frei Betto in discussion, do more for me to raise questions about
the role of religion and society. Agreed, this is a matter of personal taste. FN
On 27 October 2014 12:52, dilip dacruz <[email protected]> wrote:
I see Saligaonet has lapsed into suspended animation once more, pending the
next obituary. Thought I'd ignite things a bit by seeking suggestions for books
I can donate to the Club Library. I shall be in town shortly and have 4 books
that I think young village minds (and some elderly ones too) will gain much
reward by studying. They are by Dawkins and Hitchens, and I am sure will be
displayed in places of great prominence and received with much gratitude.
Any other suggestions? Please keep it polite.
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