Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogias da ilhas de S.Miguel e Santa Maria Robert Rodrigues Does anyone have this?

[Denis Meals]

Lisa:
The closest I can get for you is the following:

Ana Maria, que casou em S. José de Ponta Delgada a 6.7.1795 com José
Carvalho de *Sousa*, ou

José de Sousa Carvalho, filho de José Carvalho de Sousa e Helena Rosa


Denis

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 6:41 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Liz,
>
> It's out of print. :(  It was a 6 volume set.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 6:04 PM Liz Migliori  wrote:
>
>> Is this available for purchase anywhere
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 4:11 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Lisa,
>>
>> I have the book, I didn't see either in the index.
>>
>> In addition to the actual book, I also have a PDF copy of it that I can
>> send to you directly.
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Lisa S 
>> To: Azores Genealogy 
>> Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2019 1:18 pm
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogias da ilhas de S.Miguel e Santa
>> Maria Robert Rodrigues Does anyone have this?
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I am having a difficult time in my tree trying to find the marriage
>> record on 2 couples.  I have been trying to get the book *Genealogias da
>> ilhas de S.Miguel e Santa Maria* from the library, but it is not
>> available right now.  Is there someone who has this book please who is
>> willing to check if the following 2 couples are in it?  I would be so
>> appreciative.  Info below.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Lisa
>>
>>
>> Here is the information:
>>
>> *José Carvalho de Mello and Anna de Jesus / Anna Maria*  (I believe that
>> José Carvalho de Mello is a natural of the island of Santa Maria, and I
>> think that Anna de Jesus / Anna Maria is a natural of Santo António além
>> Capelas).  Time frame about 1795.
>>
>> and
>>
>> *António de Medeiros Moura and Joanna Maria *(I believe that António de
>> Medeiros Moura is a natural of Santo António além Capelas and Joanna Maria
>> is a natural of Lagoa.  Time frame about 1760-1789.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents in a Vila do Porto, Santa Maria record

[Denis Meals]

In looking at baptism records of Vila do Porto, Santa Maria island, I need
some clarification as to the Godparents in the attached right side, bottom
record.

I see the following: Godparents Luís António Maximo Pereira and Leonor
Maxima Pereira, residents of São Miguel, by proxy [*representatives for, or
represented by*] Manoel Barbosa Pacheco and Dona Maria Mequelina da
Conceição, sister of the baptized.

Is the first couple representing the second, or the reverse?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1834-1840/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1834-1840_item1/P124.html

Thanks,
Denis

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores

[Denis Meals]

"E": In reply to your question, "Is there such a place as Santa Barbara in
Santa Maria?" Yes, there certainly is such a place.  Santa Bárbara is
one of the 5 Parishes of Santa Maria, as well as being a community within
the parish.  Of course, as others have indicated, other islands also share
the name, Santa Bárbara.
Denis



On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 3:07 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Celeste,
>
> I don't know if this makes a difference but I looked up the ship's
> manifest and it says she was born in Santa Barbara (City), Santa
> Maria(Country).  Is there such a place as Santa Barbara in Santa Maria?
>
> "E"
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eliseu, Here is the original chart that Celeste sent to me many years
>> ago! Hope it's easier for you to read.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
>> eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rosemarie!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would you mind to send the the ancestors of Maria in another format. I
>>> tis very hard to read.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Muito Obrigado,
>>>
>>> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>>>
>>> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
>>>
>>> (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
>>> de *Rosemarie Capodicci
>>> *Enviada:* 31 de outubro de 2015 20:33
>>> *Para:* azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa
>>> Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Celeste, do you think that she may not have been baptized in the Azores
>>> (or the record was lost) and she was re-baptiaed here in the USA before her
>>> marriage???  That happened in the Azores (not here) to my
>>> greatgreatgrandma, records were not available at the time of her marriage
>>> so she was re-baptized right before she married. Just a thought.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>>
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Boy Celeste, you are such a great researcher! I know that you have been
>>> looking for Maria Cristo for years (I still have your info on my desktop!)
>>> I hope that someone out there has her in their database and is wondering
>>> where she came from! Good Luck and continue your search. As you are aware,
>>> if you have been watching the list, Dave W. finally found his birth
>>> mother's family just this week! So, continue and hope that the info will
>>> come to light soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>>
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 1:31 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It has been a long time since I tried to find documentation for the
>>> birth of my husband, Robert Edward Perry’s, paternal grandmother.  I call
>>> her the, “elusive Maria Cristo.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I began my search in 2001.  At that time, there were limited resources
>>> on line so I contacted relatives and researchers I found living in Rhode
>>> Island and MA.  The oral history I had did not go very far back in time
>>> until I found a great-grandson of her brother, Jose.  That helped some
>>> since I then knew the village in Sao Miguel where the family lived before
>>> Seraphine, her brother, immigrated to RI.  I have been able to collect
>>> information about the lives of those of her family that immigrated followed
>>> Seraphine to RI from the census and marriage reords.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In 2007, I visited Lomba da Santa Barbara and found that all the church
>>> records I needed were in the archives in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.  I
>>> spent a week going through the church records looking for my “elusive Maria
>>> Cristo.”  Maria Cristo’s parents had names that were not very common so the
>>> task was easier than it may have been.  Joao de Morais (several spellings)
>>> and Jacinta Libianna (several variations of spellings) were not as hard as
>>> some names to pick out in the records.  I found Maria Cristo had several
>>> siblings and I recorded all of them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I had been told by her daughter, Mary Cruz, that Maria Cristo was 5
>>> years old when her father died.  I looked in all the records up to the time
>>> of his death.  Found nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In 2009, I returned to Sao Miguel thinking maybe Maria Cristo had been
>>> raised by this family and was not biologically related.  Or that she was
>>> the daughter of an older sibling that was not married and raised by her
>>> grandparents.
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] street

[Denis Meals]

Liz: If you have access to Ancestry.com you may be able to find the same
people in their 1900 Census.  Perhaps that will give the street, and if
not, you can search forward or back until the street is identified.  Worth
a try, though I have found cases where the streets are never listed.
Denis

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M97L-8BW
>
> Is there a way for me to find out what street this census is for ?  If
> it's not on the street line??
>
> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Adoption occurring in The Matrix of Santa Maria Island

[Denis Meals]

Margaret e Ângelo:
Well, I sure missed the boat on that one!  Fortunately I had expert help
from both to get me back on board.

My complete gratitude for righting the ship,
Denis

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:

> It's not an adoption. The father is steping in with a petition assuming
> that he is Anna's "natural" father. I suppose at the time of the baptism
> she was "natural" daughter of Maria Luiza, and "filha de pai incognito".
>
> 2015-09-21 20:53 GMT+01:00 Denis Meals :
>
>> I am appealing to our group's native readers for help in the translation
>> of the following link, beginning with the righthand page and continuing on
>> the next two pages:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1840-1848/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1840-1848_item1/P59.html
>>
>> I understand this to be the formal adoption of Anna, baptized in The
>> Matrix in 1838, and the natural daughter of Maria Luisa, a widow of
>> Francisco Bernardo.  I am unclear of the role António Baptista, single, is
>> playing in this adoption, for he is mentioned several times in this and the
>> following pages. Is he simply speaking to the accuracy of the facts, or is
>> there more that I am missing?
>>
>> I do not need a complete translation, just the gist of what is written,
>> for I get lost in the complexity of much of the document.
>>
>> Thanks for any help,
>> Denis
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Adoption occurring in The Matrix of Santa Maria Island

[Denis Meals]

I am appealing to our group's native readers for help in the translation of
the following link, beginning with the righthand page and continuing on the
next two pages:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1840-1848/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1840-1848_item1/P59.html

I understand this to be the formal adoption of Anna, baptized in The Matrix
in 1838, and the natural daughter of Maria Luisa, a widow of Francisco
Bernardo.  I am unclear of the role António Baptista, single, is playing in
this adoption, for he is mentioned several times in this and the following
pages. Is he simply speaking to the accuracy of the facts, or is there more
that I am missing?

I do not need a complete translation, just the gist of what is written, for
I get lost in the complexity of much of the document.

Thanks for any help,
Denis

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for family info from Santa Maria

[Denis Meals]

Isiah:
António's parents were married 1 July 1885.  Using the link I previously
gave, you can search forward, and well as back, about every 2-3 years to
find his additional brothers and sisters.  And if you are very ambitious,
skip back about 20 years +/- 10 years to find the parents births.

If you will look further, you'll find records of birth/baptisms, marriages,
and deaths of all Santa Maria's citizens for the period  1640-1906.  This
is a huge, formidable, and at the sametime, satisfying task.

Denis

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Isaiah Nixon  wrote:

> This is very helpful, thank you! Is there anyway to look into his
> siblings, the other children of Antonio? Antone migrated to the States, but
> his family stayed behind in the Azores. I am curious to see if anyone of
> this line is still there.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for family info from Santa Maria

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Isaiah:
The link to the birth/baptism of António born 29 August 1889 is:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1880-1889_item1/P178.html

His parents were António Ventura da Costa (b. 15 March 1863) and Jacintha
Umbelina Soares (b. 21 September 1851), both born in Santa Bárbara as you
stated.  However we have that they were married there as well.  Jacintha
Umbelina's father was from the parish of Vila do Porto.  Online records are
not available later that 1906 at present, so we do not have information on
Jacintha's death.

Denis & Tish Meals

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Isaiah Nixon  wrote:

> I am wanting to begin looking for my family records on the Island of Santa
> Maria. I am not sure where to start.
>
> The information I have is that Antone Costa was born on August 29, 1889 on
> Santa Maria. His father, Antonio Ventura Da Costa was born in the village
> of Santa Barbara and Married in Vila do Porto and his mother Jacinta
> Umbelina Soares was born in Santa Barbara and died in Vila do Porto.
>
> I am wanting to get information on Antone Costa- birth or baptism records.
> If you have any information on how to start, I would be grateful to hear.
>
> Isaiah
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] John Dutra baptism

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Elizabeth & Cheri:

NorCal Genealogy provides the following:

http://www.sfgenealogy.com/norcal/caldata.htm#calvitals
Some  of what is listed are free, and quite good.

Denis Meals


On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
> Is there a link for the CA. Birth and Death Indexes?
> If so could you send me.
>
> Thx mucho
> Liz
>
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> I have a lot of experience with the California Birth Index and the
>> California Death Index.
>>
>> First, a mini lesson on sources.
>> 1) Primary Sources: Something that is generated AT THE TIME of the
>> event.  For example, a birth certificate is a primary source for a birth.
>> A death certificate is a primary source for a death.  The U.S. Federal
>> census can be considered a primary source for residence.
>>
>> 2) Secondary Sources: Something that is generated AFTER the event.  For
>> example, a birth date obtained from a death certificate.  If a person is
>> born in 1905 and that date appears on a 1940 document, then it's not a
>> primary source.
>>
>> Birth and death indices are created by the state (at least in California)
>> by people (same is true for the Social Security Death Index).  To err is
>> human.  So an index can have an error.  I suppose technically, the CA Birth
>> and Death Indices are not a source.  I utilize them as a source in my
>> genealogy program because I don't have the money to order a birth or death
>> on every ancestor I find.  I don't do only my direct line.  I try to get
>> the whole family (siblings and grandkids).  But these indices are not my
>> only source.  If I'm using the CA Birth Index as a source, I try to have
>> 1-2 others agree with this source.  If they don't agree, I have a lot of
>> sources on 1 event!  In all my work with the indices, I've found a mistake
>> once. (What I mean by that is they've typed the wrong month of death in the
>> death index).  Overall, pretty accurate!
>>
>> The CA Birth and Death Indices are getting their information from the
>> Birth or Death Certificate.  That certificate has an informant on it, who
>> gave the information.  The earlier ones don't ask the name of the
>> informant.  The later ones do.  The information is only as good as what the
>> informant provides given the circumstances.
>>
>> Example of a Death Certificate from 1961 in CA:
>> Informant is the wife.  Right off the bat, I question EVERYTHING on the
>> death certificate except the death.  The spouse just died.  How upset is
>> the wife?  Is the wife an immigrant too and whose information is she
>> giving?  The death for my ancestor in 1961 gives the wrong date of birth,
>> states he was a U.S. citizen (he wasn't, but his wife was), and something
>> else I can't remember.
>>
>> Example of a Death Certificate from 1992 in CA:
>> Informant was the son.  The death wasn't expected.  I should probably
>> question everything, except the informant was my dad.  Almost everything
>> checked out.  By 1992, CA wanted to know how many years of education the
>> deceased had.  It said 12th grade.  I asked my dad.  My dad said he was
>> never asked that question at all, as he knew his father only went to 8th
>> grade.  No hesitation in answering that question at all.  Someone forgot to
>> ask my dad and just took a guess.
>>
>> Example of a Birth Certificate in 1912 in CA:
>> Informants weren't listed in 1912.  There still were informants, we just
>> don't know who they were. On my grandfather's birth, it lists his dad as
>> his dad, and his paternal grandmother as his mom.  Huh, what? She never
>> came to America.  I never understood why or how that happened.  One day, I
>> pulled his birth and was looking at it again.  I noted there was no box or
>> line to list an informant.  At first, I told myself the informant was the
>> mom.  Then I thought about it and said, no, moms were told to rest.  Then
>> it dawned on me.  It was dad.  They asked dad (the immigrant) for the
>> information.  Being the proud papa, he gave the baby's name and even gave
>> his name.  When they asked him the name of the mother, he gave the name of
>> the mother - HIS MOTHER!  After all, Gloria was his wife.  He misunderstood
>> given the level of his English skills at that time.
>>
>> Bill, you're going to have to narrow down the freguesia first.  Could the
>> attached record by your Joao?  Maybe.  My immigrant ancestor generally had
>> his month and day ri

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help: Isle de Santa Maria (Figueiredo, Resendes, Soares)

[Denis Meals]

Sam:
Some spelling errors for that time period, but basically you have
everything correct, with the exception of the date. The date you show is
the birthdate not the date of baptism.

Denis


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>  Help please, left page.  I believe this is the Feb 14, 1806 baptism of
> my 2nd great grandmother; Maria daughter of Joam Soares Figueiredo and
> Francisca Jacintha de Resendes.  Paternal grandparents being: Jose Soares
> de Sousa and Dona Isabela Figueiredo and maternal grandparents: Antonio de
> Resendes Paiva and Antonia de Sao Jose.  There is much that I can't make
> out in this one.  Any and all help is much appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance, Sam (currently in NC)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822_item1/P44.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Godfather José de Sousa, Santa Bárbara, Santa Maria

[Denis Meals]

I am in need of help with the word immediately following Godfather José de
Sousa, _,which I presume is his occupation, and the expression
following solteiro, "creado de servir"...

Lines 2-4, top left page
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1880-1889_item1/P107.html

The occupation, I can not quite make out the letters, and creado de servir
 does not seem to make sense in translating to english.

Thanks,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help to solve a mystery for my uncle.

[Denis Meals]

Helda:

The San Francisco Genealogy California Death Index 1940-1997 lists the
following, which you perhaps already know, since it confirms some of your
posted information.













































MITCHELL
LAURA
PERRY
03
04
1943
ALAMEDA
F
0
10
15
1879
OTHER COUNTRY

MONIZ

Denis

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> Helda,
>
> Can you give us an approximate place of birth and also, do you know where
> in the Azores (parish and island) Laura would have been born in? Even
> guesses will be helpful and would help filter out the Lauras who are not
> matches. Thanks!
>
> John M. raposo
>   On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:33 PM, Helda Pritchard <
> heldapritchard22...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am trying to help my Uncle find his aunt. As my mom and I have been
> doing our family tree my Uncle who is in his 80's has asked if I could help
> find his missing aunt. My Uncle's father and Grandfather had always talked
> about "Tia Laura". His grandfather had her before he married so she was
> older then the half brother. All we know is that Laura had gone to the
> states she was born  several years before her younger half brother. She was
> living in California in the early 1920's as her half brother had visited
> her and sent his father photos, one of them had two men and it said on the
> back these are Laura's two oldest sons the boys were close to the their
> Uncles age. Another clue we have is the year 1943 that was written on my
> uncles grandfathers records but with no correspondence to why.
> Doing research I found a Laura Moniz/Mitchell that is about the right age
> and did live in California at about the right time. She had sons that would
> be about the right age and she did die in 1943. These could all be
> coincidences. I am hoping that maybe one of her family members is doing
> family research and stumbles upon this. As Laura was a illegitimate then
> her father would be listed as incongnito on her birth certificate.  I would
> be able to provide Laura's family with 5 generations back on the fathers
> side. The woman I think could be the missing Laura is in some records
> listed as Laura Moniz sometimes she is listed as Laura Mitchell. She was
> married to a Frank P Mitchell they lived in Glouchester Mass and had
> several children Joseph, Leonora (Nora), John, Anthony, Aurthur and Manuel.
>  She died on March 4th, 1943 in Alameda California.
> Again I would happily scan the photo online to prove that this Laura is
> the right one.
>
> I know this is a long shot but you never know unless you ask.
> Helda
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Rezendes, Santa Maria

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Betty;
There is my typo  the date of birth is 4 March 1850.  You may also find
him in the passports (which show his parents) if you know about when he
came the United States.
Denis


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> Betty:
> There were four parishes in Santa Maria in the 1850's.  The surname
> Resendes is common in Santa Bárbara Parish, as well as possibly in the
> other three parishes as well.  I can tell you there was not a Manoel born
> in Santa Bárbara on the date you have listed (However there is a Manoel
> born to José de Resendes & Francisca Jacintha de Moura on 4 March 1950).
>
> Since the records for all parishes of Santa Maria are now online, your
> Manoel should be relatively easy to find.
> Good luck,
> Denis
>
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Betty Rogers  wrote:
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>>   Hi, new at making a request, not new to the list.  I'm researching
>> Manuel Rezendes, b. Mar 1851, died Feb 14, 1902, Centerville, Ca.  Married
>> Aurora Rosida Dutra b Sep 1863 in Faial.  My problem is all I know about
>> Manuel is that he is born in Santa Maria.  How would I find the location in
>> Santa Maria?  This is my husbands g grandparents.
>> Thanks Betty
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Rezendes, Santa Maria

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Betty:
There were four parishes in Santa Maria in the 1850's.  The surname
Resendes is common in Santa Bárbara Parish, as well as possibly in the
other three parishes as well.  I can tell you there was not a Manoel born
in Santa Bárbara on the date you have listed (However there is a Manoel
born to José de Resendes & Francisca Jacintha de Moura on 4 March 1950).

Since the records for all parishes of Santa Maria are now online, your
Manoel should be relatively easy to find.
Good luck,
Denis


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>   Hi, new at making a request, not new to the list.  I'm researching
> Manuel Rezendes, b. Mar 1851, died Feb 14, 1902, Centerville, Ca.  Married
> Aurora Rosida Dutra b Sep 1863 in Faial.  My problem is all I know about
> Manuel is that he is born in Santa Maria.  How would I find the location in
> Santa Maria?  This is my husbands g grandparents.
> Thanks Betty
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Documentation of CCA Images

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Isabella:
This is GREAT!!!  -- This is exactly what I had hoped my original post
would generate, for I believe as we troll through the internet, we've all
occasionally come upon the message 'this URL is  no longer valid.'   Not
suggesting that this will occur with the images that CCA is so generously
making available, but one never knows the future.


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Isabella Baltar
wrote:

> Denis,
>
> I learned how to do a citation on one of the courses from the National
> Institute of Genealogical Studies, they have several and very useful
> courses that I have been doing since 2011 in order to have a certification.
> Several are the ways of doing a citation, National Archives has it is own
> way of doing it.
>
> The course recommended, between others, the book Evidence! Citation &
> Analysis for the Family Historian, from Elizabeth Shown Mills,  a small but
> very detailed book on several types of entries we face on our daily
> research.
>
> I adapted what I learned from the course and book and created a "primary
> citation" for the parish records we find in Azores. The primary citation is
> very useful if you, or anyone else, needs to see that record again, or go
> in person to the Library.
>
> Lets see one record, from my family; one of the oldest ones that I have on
> my Drummond side of the family. It is a baptismal record; note that the
> book is unpaginated, but as the dates are arranged in a cronological way,
> having the date of the baptism is crucial to locate it.
>
> I did not mention the link to the document, on the citation, as it may
> change over the years. For those willing to see it, the link is:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1611-1687/TER-AH-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1611-1687_item1/P52.html
>
> Below is the *primary citation* for this *baptismal record, *bibliographic
> entry is different than this one.
>
>  Anna [f. Francisco Ferreira Dormonde m. Barbara], baptismal record of 26
> Jul 1616, Registros Paroquiais da Ilha Terceira, Municipio de Angra do
> Heroismo, Vila de São Sebastião, Matriz da Vila de São Sebastião, 1611 -
> 1687, unpaginated, arranged by date. Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional
> de Angra do Heroismo, Angra do Heroismo, Ilha Terceira.
>
> I hope this will help you and others that need to make a primary citation.
> If you or anyone needs further information, just send me a private email.
>
> Isabella Baltar
>
> myportuguesegen.blogspot.com
>
> On Friday, March 14, 2014 7:13:27 PM UTC-4, sm figueiredo wrote:
>>
>> Cheri, and others who may choose to comment:
>>
>> Now that Santa Maria is at long last online, we are presented with a new
>> problem, one that most of you have possibly previously faced.  Namely, an
>> universally accepted way of documenting each image, so that others may
>> easily find the same image.
>>
>> I understand that most just use the digital address as given by CCA
>> (example below).  To do so is fine, as long as CCA is online, and does not
>> change their system.  But this format would probably be unacceptable to any
>> book editor.
>>
>> [http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
>> VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-1834/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-
>> 1834_item1/P70.html]
>>
>> Denis Meals
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Documentation of CCA Images

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Cheri, and others who may choose to comment:

Now that Santa Maria is at long last online, we are presented with a new
problem, one that most of you have possibly previously faced.  Namely, an
universally accepted way of documenting each image, so that others may
easily find the same image.

I understand that most just use the digital address as given by CCA
(example below).  To do so is fine, as long as CCA is online, and does not
change their system.  But this format would probably be unacceptable to any
book editor.

[
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-1834/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-1834_item1/P70.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parish of Nossa Senhora das Candeias (?) on Santa Maria Island

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Maria Elena:
Nossa Senhora das Candeias is an alternate name for the Church of Nossa
Senhora da Purificação, located in Santo Espírito Parish.  It has not been
put online yet.

Denis


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Is that part of Nossa Senra de Assencao parish?  That's the only one
> online. If not then it just has not come online yet- right?
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria - Andrade

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Probably 4 for his time period, the fifth - Almagreira, appearing in the
very early 1900's.

Steve-  for any realistic help, you'll have to get back to pre-1883, for
that is the end date of the Mormon filming, from which most of us work.
 That said, the surname Andrade is quite common in Santa Bárbara Parish, so
parental information is also necessary.  In genealogy, more information is
always helpful.
Denis




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> Steve A,
>
> Start with this how to guide here:
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/HowTo.html
>
> Then post back and tell you what you've done.  You need the freguesia to
> begin researching over there.  Santa Maria has 4 or 5 freguesias
> (villages), I believe (going off the top of my head here).
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA Conference - suggestions and stuff

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1 more than 2, but 2 works for me, too.
Tish

On Monday, October 7, 2013, Pam Santos wrote:

> 1 and 2 for me too
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Mary Bordi 
> 
> > wrote:
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>> 1 and 2 for me, too!
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 7, 2013, Cheri Mello wrote:
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>>> OK, better start a separate thread for this even if the conference is 5
>>> weeks away.
>>>
>>> I'll take people's suggestions to the conference.
>>>
>>> So far I have:
>>> 1) Population Finder bar under the Family Finder matches (opt in button)
>>> 2) Diacritics support on the Gedcoms
>>>
>>> So, if you want 1 & 2, go ahead and say so.  Then I can come armed
>>> saying I have 25 people wanting these features!
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder Matches and the Population Finder bar

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Very good idea Tomas.
I second the motion.
Tish

On Monday, October 7, 2013, Tomas Leal wrote:

> As long as you're going to bring up the matter, Cheri, let me add my ,02
> euros worth:
>
> Given there is already an option for user information to be made "Private"
> on Family Tree DNA, what not make the match bars also available for privacy
> or "opt out"? It seems such a waste to close off such rich information
> because of complaints from some users. As anyone can readily tell by
> looking at the various reports, most users are fully public with their
> information on the site. The site's "now you see it, now you don't" seems
> overkill, a massive solution to a much smaller problem.
>
> Tomás Leal
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA site added Feterias and Ginetes records!

[Denis Meals]

Cheri:
Move over with your one foot -- Tish and I need room for our four feet in
this common grave, waiting on Santa Maria.
Denis


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> I am excited BUT rusty I have not really been looking at records since
> they stopped adding them in February lol
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:
>
>> I will email them and Thank them, I am not sure I don't remember
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> You guys want to email the CCA and thank them?  Profusely!  Otherwise, I
>>> may have one foot in the grave by the time to they upload Vila Franca,
>>> way down there in the Vs.  LOL
>>>
>>> Where was Graciosa & Santa Maria in this uploading process?
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder Matches and the Population Finder bar

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That is too bad. It was a great feature.
Tish

On Monday, October 7, 2013, Pam Santos wrote:

> Bummer!!! I liked that feature
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Cheri Mello 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> When FTDNA unveiled their new Family Finder matches page last week, each
>> match had a bar under their name.  If you pointed at it, you could see if
>> they were 80% European and 20% North African, for example.  Then on Friday,
>> it disappeared.
>>
>> I called FTDNA to find out when it would be restored.  Never.  Too many
>> people called and complained that too much information was being shared.
>> So, if you want to know your match's Population Finder percentages, you are
>> going to have to email them. :(
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Family Tree DNA Admin
>> Azores DNA Project
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Relative Search: Victoria, DeBragga, Escobar, Contente

[Denis Meals]

Sara:
The baptism record of Anna (taken from the LDS microfilm) confirms Deb
DeBragga's information.

Anna born 3 February 1880, baptized 9 February 1880 to parents Joaquim de
BRAGA & Maria Umbelina in the village of Lapa, Parish of Nossa Senhora da
Purificação [Santo Espírito].
Paternal grandparents: José Joaquim de BRAGA & Maria Jacintha de CHAVES
Maternal grandparents: Bernardino Joaquim CABRAL & Umbelina Maria de FRIAS

My wife and I are just beginning to comply data from Santo Espírito - as we
encounter this family again, I will give you the information.  I think
parental and grandparental names could be slightly different, based upon
what we found in Santa Bárbara.
Denis


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Deb  wrote:

> Sara,
> I have some info on Anna Silva deBragga, although it is not verifiedI
> have received some DeBragga family notes over the years , but never
> confirmed any of this.
>
> Annie DeBraga born 2/3/1880 in Freguisia de Santo Espirito, Santa Maria,
> arrived in US 1892, died 11/15/1951 in Stonington CT
> Siblings: Antone deBraga, Joseph J deBragga, John DeBraga, Alfred
> DeBragga, Agnes deBraga, Frank deBraga, Mary deBragga Cadeda
> Parents Joachim I de Braga   born Freguisia de Santo Espirito, Santa Maria
> 3/28/1854, died 1/15/1928 in Stonington Ct , and
> Maria Umbelina Cabral "Calvade", born 1860, her  Father Bernard Cabral.
> Joachim's parents Jose J de Braga and Maria Jacinta de Chaves
> I have seen them on the Stonington census 1920 and 1940. Also look at the
> LDS Family center, I believe there is a family genealogy for Joachim on
> microfilm. I also think most of them are buried in St Mary's cemetery on
> Rte 1. Their death records should be in Stonington, and marriage records at
> St Mary's church in the borough.
> Good luck
> Deb DeBragga
>
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:40:12 PM UTC-4, Sara Victoria wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I've been compiling a family tree of my mother's side. I'm looking for
>> more information on two sets of great grandparents.
>>
>> Antone Victoria (1881-1951) and Anna Silva DeBragga (1880-?)
>>
>> and
>>
>> Annibal Escobar (1889?) and Felisbela Contente
>>
>> All of our family in the U.S. is from Stonington, CT.
>>
>> Sara
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Descriptive terminology of relationship of Godparent to Child

[Denis Meals]

In baptism records I often find the following circumstance:

Maria, married to Manoel Cunha, and Jacinta, married to Antonio Puim, are
sisters.  Manoel Cunha is listed as Godfather to a child born to Jacinta
and Antonio.


Since women often did not use a surname, the sister-sister relationship is
not apparent, and there seems to be no genealogical connection between
godfather and child.


When I later learn of the sister-sister kinship, I need to include a short
descriptive phrase to later jog my memory, as well as inform others who may
read my information, i.e.

   1. maternal uncle through marriage, 2. uncle through marriage to wife,
   3. brother-in-law to mother of child.


I don’t much like any of my choices and I’m hoping the group will offer
something better.


Another common corollary is Maria married to Manoel Cunha, and Antonio Puim
married to Jacinta, are brother and sister.  In this case Maria is the
Godmother, but it presents the same predicament.

Denis

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A DIAS breakthrough… that I'd love some help with, please.

[Denis Meals]

One slight correction to Cheri's list -- *Pico do Penedo* in Santa Bárbara
Parish, *Santa Maria*.  But I'm not suggested this as a possibility,
since compared to the other islands, relatively few left Santa Maria.
Denis

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hmmm, I'll try a different, non-native speaker angle.  I'm looking for any
> place in the Azores that starts with a P.
>
> Santa Maria: nothing
> Sao Miguel: Pico da Pedra, Ponta Delgada, Ponta Garca, Porto Formoso,
> Povoacao
> Terceira: Porto Judeu, Praia da Vitoria
> Graciosa: Praia
> Sao Jorge: nothing
> Pico: Piedade, Prainha do Norte
> Faial: Pedro Miguel, Praia do Almoxarife, Praia do Norte
> Flores: Ponta Delgada
> Corvo: nothing
>
> Peekpike...I know the people at my local Portuguese hall pronounce Pico as
> Peek. But you have an Austrialian accent and a Portuguese one, so it will
> sound different.  And you said the copy was in a crease.  The only
> freguesia that starts with Peek (corruption of Pico) is Pico da Pedra on
> Sao Miguel island.  Which is what Dano said.  But Pedra isn't even close to
> Pike.  And it's not Faial island.  How sure are you that it's Faial?
> Didn't see you ordered DNA.  If this is your only Portuguese line and you
> match others from Faial, then I would think it's Faial.
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: second image Santa Maria mid 1600's marriage help

[Denis Meals]

Pam, Richard, et al,
The better question for those of us who use a Mac, in what format do we
need to send images so that PC users can easily work with them, i.e.
downloading, enlarging, etc.?
Denis



On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Tish M  wrote:

> Thanks for looking. If you right click can you download the image and look
> at it in a preview or something like that.
> I have a mac so I can just move it on to my screen, but that doesn't sound
> like an option for you. I can try sending it as a pdf. image. I can also
> send it right to you email. Do any of the options sound viable?
> Tish
>
>
> On Friday, July 26, 2013, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:
>
>> *Hi Tish,*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *I can’t get the image larger. If it is coming from the CCA site just
>> send the link it is easier to enlarge an see.*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Spring, TX*
>>
>> *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Tish M
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 26, 2013 6:45 PM
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] second image Santa Maria mid 1600's
>> marriage help
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is the second image I would like help with.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> I am interested in the record on the left hand page.
>>
>> "On the ... Manoel de Melo, son of Bras de Melo, and his wife Maria
>> Manoel with Francisca Soares, daughter of Manoel da ? , and his wife
>> Barbara Farnandes..." In this image I am interested in Francisca's parents,
>> not really anything else.
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Tish
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report

[Denis Meals]

Cindy: We're all village idiots when it comes to this stuff though
you're the only one with enough humor to admit it!
Just my opinion,
Denis


On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:13 AM,  wrote:

> Hi Cindy,
>
> If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? I only ask because that
> could have a major impact on what your results show. If you are 23 and have
> living relatives who are elderly, then you should get them tested. They
> will have more matches than you.
>
> Another thing, how much research have you done? How far back have you
> traced your people from all four sides? Of course, only the Portuguese
> sides will be of interest here.
>
> I can say that there are relatively few who have tested who have Santa
> Maria ancestors. But there are many with Sao Miguel. And some from Flores,
> but I don't know if a lot.
>
> Do you have any matches with anyone other than mysterious people who don't
> seem to be Portuguese? I have some of those for my father (mostly all
> Portuguese) and tons of mysterious matches which must be coming from my
> mother's German and Hungarian sides. Most have not done much genealogy and
> didn't post a gedcom. But some did and I still don't have any clue how we
> connect. I think it would be a connection beyond what church records allow
> us to show. In Hungary, I exhausted one side of my tree when I reached the
> early 1700s. But from my experience with Family Finder, it can show 400
> years or more and if that is how these remote connections are showing,
> we'll never likely find it.
>
> It reminds me of one person with no known Portuguese ancestry, I believe
> with Kentucky area roots, who is a fairly close match by DNA. I wonder if
> she descends from Melungeons.
>
> I am willing to look at your results, not that I'm any expert on them, but
> since I have so many matches and have done so much research on all my
> sides, maybe I will detect something of interest. Just tell me privately,
> of course. (p...@dholmes.com)
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report
> From: Cindy D 
> Date: Tue, July 02, 2013 8:41 am
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>
> I have come to the conclusion that I am the village idiot in this group.
> I cannot "get" this DNA thing.
>
> I got very excited about reading the results of others' DNA tests and
> happy cousin matches and wanted to be counted too.
>
> Well, I spent a lot of money got autosomal (mother's father's line is
> Flores and Sao Miguel), MtDNA (mother's mother's line goes back to
> Poland)...and waited on pins and needles for my results.  They finally came
> in last week and I have been sitting here looking at the numbers and
> reports like a deer in the headlights.  What does all this mean??  I've
> tried to read up on some of this but it's like trying to read a Jackson
> Pollock painting.  I've gone back and forth with all the generous
> information that is posted here, but still, all I have are numbers with no
> meaning (to me).  The few distant cousin matches make no sense to me and
> are not from where I'd expect.  Charts, numbers, groups, typesmust be
> cool to understand it all.
>
>  One report says I have no missing info, scrolling down it says I have
> extra infoso??  What does this mean?  Will I be growing an extra ear on
> my hip??Agh!!
>
> I can make out maps and follow the migrations which is interesting, I'll
> admit. But the rest... I dunno.
>
> I thought if I stuck with it, I'd "get it"but so far...nada.  Every
> day I open this stuff up and look again.  Am I getting too old to learn
> something new?  Perhaps.
>
> I'm kind of bummed that I'm not getting this since I'm generally a science
> junkie and had high hopes of opening up new lines and information about my
> Azorean roots.  The name changing process has me stumped so how would I
> ever know my connections for sure unless I can figure out this DNA thing.
>
>  I want all this primarily because  I have two very troubling family
> stories that I want to either prove or disprove, once and for all.  I am
> getting nowhere. I wish I was like everyone else that seems to have it all
> sorted out about how to connect and manage all this information.
>
> I'm not giving up yet, but I think I'll have to sit back and wait for
> someone else to contact me because I do not know how I'd contact someone
> and say anything that makes sense.  I joined your project, hopefully this
> will click eventually, somehow.
>
> So I guess my question isis there something I can look at that
> explains each of the DYS sequences and what it applies to?  And if my
> charted gene matches comes up, what that particular matching gene means??
>  I'd sure like to know what my "extra" genes mean as well.  I wonder if
> maybe one of those is the "idiot" gene.  LOL?
>
> Cindy D
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Braga from Santa Maria b. 1870s to Massachusetts then California

[Denis Meals]

JB-
Joe Matias did indeed find the Passaportes for your ancestor.  It is #639
(not 609) on Joe's attached file.  Traveling on the same passport are the
wife and 3 children.  José Resendes, 20 yrs. old & single, is listed
immediately below.  Note that the Concelho is Villa [sic] do Porto, but the
Parish from whence they came is Nossa Senhora da Purificação (Santo
Espírito).
Denis

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:

> look on number 609
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> JB,
>>>
>>> Passenger manifests emigrating (leaving) out of the Azores are called
>>> Passaportes.  Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island was a major port and many
>>> leaving from Santa Maria usually went to the closest port, which would have
>>> been Ponta Delgada.  However, Ponta Delgada has gaps in their records.
>>> There is a gap between 1883-1894, so you won't be able to find the first
>>> emigration.  But they do exist for 1907.  And they are online at the Centro
>>> de Conhecimento dos Acores (CCA): http://goo.gl/7anSJ
>>>
>>> That will give you Calisto & Filomena's parents' names.  Unfortunately,
>>> the parish records for Santa Maria are NOT online yet.  You'll have to
>>> order the film from your local Family History Center (FHC).  Unless you
>>> live anywhere near North Dartmouth, MA.  They have all the film for all 9
>>> islands of the Azores there.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Braga from Santa Maria b. 1870s to Massachusetts then California

[Denis Meals]

JB -
My wife and I have extensive records for the two eastern parishes (Santa
Bárbara & Santo Espírito) of Santa Maria, and therefore of no help to you.
 Fortunately "E" saw your posting long before I did, and her replies sound
correct.

As Cheri has already told you, the baptism records on film are your only
current hope of finding more information about your great grandfather &
spouse.  Their baptisms will be on one of the following film numbers:
1388405, 1388406, 1388407, 1388408, 1388409. A likely guess would be to
start with #406.  Baptism records extend from 1599-1892, so your search of
about 1873 should be quite readable.

Incidentally, for your records, the correct spelling is Vila do Porto.
Good luck,
Denis


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> JB,
>
> Passenger manifests emigrating (leaving) out of the Azores are called
> Passaportes.  Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island was a major port and many
> leaving from Santa Maria usually went to the closest port, which would have
> been Ponta Delgada.  However, Ponta Delgada has gaps in their records.
> There is a gap between 1883-1894, so you won't be able to find the first
> emigration.  But they do exist for 1907.  And they are online at the Centro
> de Conhecimento dos Acores (CCA): http://goo.gl/7anSJ
>
> That will give you Calisto & Filomena's parents' names.  Unfortunately,
> the parish records for Santa Maria are NOT online yet.  You'll have to
> order the film from your local Family History Center (FHC).  Unless you
> live anywhere near North Dartmouth, MA.  They have all the film for all 9
> islands of the Azores there.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BIBLIOTECA PUBLICA E ARQUIVO DE PONTA DELGADA Archive Requests

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George: As I understand, you originally requested information of what was
currently available at the Archives in Ponta Delgada, São Miguel.  Their
response is what you earlier posted, and also partially included in your
May 13, 2013 post.

My question then is: where does one go to find São Miguel records after
1911, and Santa Maria records after 1905?
Denis


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:53 AM, George Pacheco wrote:

> Cheri, I asked the archive what they had available at the archives,
> because now the have marriages and deaths higher than 1911, and that was
> their response i notice that they they also did not mention povoação, and
> what Trish mentioned above, I thought I would share what they sent ,
> I guess I shouldn't have share because it caused confusion.
>
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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>> Um, I've been at a festa all day.  I'm not sure what you're referring to,
>> George.  You're making me feel like I've had too much vinho!  LOL
>>
>> This stuff isn't up on the CCA. What are you referring to?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Priests of Santa Maria Island

[Denis Meals]

In the freguesia of Santa Bárbara, on Santa Maria Island, SOARES FIGUEIREDO
is one of the esteemed family names, apparently originating in the parish
from the marriage of Alferes Joam Soares Figueiredo in 1708.  The surname
is also found in the other three freguesias, as well as São Miguel and
perhaps the other islands, but not with the same frequency as in Santa
Bárbara. Since Tish's ancestors bear this surname, we are particularly
interested.

There are two priests in Santa Bárbara that have drawn our attention:
Laurenço José de FIGUEIREDO in the early years of the 19th century, and
Manoel Soares de FIGUEIREDO in the middle of the same century.

Questions that have arisen:
1.  Where did the Azorean Priests generally receive their education?
2.  Did they have some input as to where they were assigned, particularly
as regards the two above?
3.  Assuming these two were natives of Santa Maria, what is the possibility
of learning their parentage?

Thanks for any insights,
Denis

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Priests of Santa Maria Island

[Denis Meals]

In the freguesia of Santa Bárbara, on Santa Maria Island, SOARES FIGUEIREDO
is one of the esteemed family names, apparently originating in the parish
from the marriage of Alferes Joam Soares Figueiredo in 1708.  The surname
is also found in the other three freguesias, as well as São Miguel and
perhaps the other islands, but not with the same frequency as in Santa
Bárbara. Since Tish's ancestors bear this surname, we are particularly
interested.

There are two priests in Santa Bárbara that have drawn our attention:
Laurenço José de FIGUEIREDO in the early years of the 19th century, and
Manoel Soares de FIGUEIREDO in the middle of the same century.

Questions that have arisen:
1.  Where did the Azorean Priests generally receive their education?
2.  Did they have some input as to where they were assigned, particularly
as regards the two above?
3.  Assuming these two were natives of Santa Maria, what is the possibility
of learning their parentage?

Thanks for any insights,
Denis

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passenger List for New Bedford, MA 1884

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Eddie:
Any more information on your GG Grandfather would be helpful.  If he
arrived in 1884,  perhaps +/- a few years, he should appear in the 1900
census, also perhaps 1920-30 depending on his age.  These other census
years may indicate a different year of immigrating.
Do you know for certain that he arrived at the Port of New Bedford?
 Coincidently I have recently begun looking through Ship Manifests, so
hopefully with a bit more information from you, I'll look for him as well.
Denis


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Eddie Machado wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am looking for any passenger lists for ships arriving in New Bedford, MA
> in 1884. My GG Grandfather noted on the 1910 census that he immigrated in
> 1884, but I can't find any lists that have him. Ancestry and Family Search
> also have no records. Any help would be appreciated. My GG Grandfathers
> name is Frank A. Machado (Francisco d'Azevedo Machado)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site

[Denis Meals]

Rather than being critical of the efforts in posting images online, or the
lack of effort as seen by perhaps some of us, we should consider how lucky
we as Azorean researchers are -- Slow though the images may be in their
appearance online, keep in mind the alternative, trips to the Family
History Center and countless hours hovering over film readers.  So, let's
be thankful -- this opinion comes from one researcher of Santa Maria Island
where the *only* thing available thus far is the passport information of
islanders going abroad.

Denis

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> Have they added any records from other islands or something??? They
> haven't added anything to Sao Miguel since Feb 18, at this rate Vila Franca
> do Campo will be online is 2 or 3 years lol
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Simão Velho & Isabel de Andrade - ilha de Santa Maria

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Doug:
There is a marriage record in the freguesia of Santa Bárbara, Santa Maria,
showing Simão Velho - Maria da Fonte as the parents of the groom, Francisco
Velho - bride's name illegible.  However Francisco's marriage occurred in
167_, and given that his mother is a Fonte, this likely is not the people
you seek.

My best guess of where to look would be in the freguesia of Nossa Senhora
da Assunção, Vila do Porto.  As far as I know, no one has compiled a
database from the Mother Church.  If you wish to look further I'll offer
the LDS film numbers.
Denis

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:16 AM,  wrote:

> I have run across in my research in Pico a couple named Simão Velho and
> Isabel de Andrade, whose son Francisco ended up living in Pico.
>
> His marriage says he is simply native of Ilha de Santa Maria. I estimate
> he was born maybe about 1710-1715 and that his parents were married about
> 1700-1710.
>
> I know there are some Santa Maria researchers on this list who might
> recognize this couple and if anyone is interested in learning about their
> son Francisco and his family on Pico, I would like to know some specifics
> about his parents, especially which of the four freguesias on Santa Maria
> where he was born.
>
> I think there is a decent chance one of Francisco's parents connects up to
> a prominent family, such as Macedo, Bettencourt, Brum, Silveira, or
> something like that, but not those found on Pico. These names also are well
> known on São Miguel, such as in Ponta Delgada and Ribeira Grande, and I
> believe that is where he has his origins.
>
> Thank you.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for information on Francisco De Simas / Jose Francisco De Simas / Jose Silva De Simas

[Denis Meals]

Dear Listers:
I hope you can help Amy out, for I suggested she join our group.  Just my
opinion, but I've always found the rootsweb message boards (from whence she
came) to be minimally helpful at best.
Denis

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:43 AM, amy@xtra.co.nz wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am searching for information and I am hoping someone here may be
> able to help me.
>
> My great great great grandfather came from Portugal. The region is
> unknown at present but could be somewhere around the Porto district or
> Azores region (this is second hand information from a relative). I
> think he was born approx 1814 - 1822 (Although family think it could
> be as late as 1836 but this doesn't match age on documents I have) and
> left Portugal on a whaling ship in which he jumped off in Australia. I
> think I have narrowed down the whaling ship to Jeannette which sailed
> from New Bedford in 1842 and he was listed as a boy (what does this
> mean?). He lived in Australia for a while then sailed on the Oliver
> Lang to New Zealand where I believed he changed his name from Jose
> Francisco de Simas to either Jose Leal de Simas or Jose Silva de
> Simas. I believe the Silva to be his mothers maiden name.
>
> I am seeking any information about his life but particularly
> information about his younger days. I dont have names for his parents
> or an exact location of his birth but would love to find this
> information out.
>
> Anyone out there that can help me :
>
> Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Pavao From Santa Maria

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Richard:
I don't know if any of the four or five on the list who actively search the
Santa Maria records have looked at Vila do Porto (Nossa Senhora da
Assunção) films.  It would be an enormous task to do so, there being 5
films.  Fortunately the other three parishes are much smaller.
Denis


On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *In looking at records from Santissimo Salvador, Sao Miguel, Baptisms for
> the year 1874 record number 58 identifies Manuel Pavao as from Santa Maria
> parish NS Assumpcao he is the son of Antonio Joaquim Pavao and Anna Jacinta.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manoel Chaves Braga - Santa Maria

[Denis Meals]

Fatima:
Short answer: while the surnames are familiar, we do not have information
on any of your specifically mentioned ancestors.
Now what we do have:

Our research has centered on the two eastern parishes, the freguesias of
Santa Bárbara and Santo Espírito. The surnames Coutinho, Coelho, Andrade,
Fontes are found in these two freguesias.  To help with a possible
connection, do you have any dates for your mentioned ancestors (baptisms,
marriage, deaths)?

Specific names on which we have some information:
1. Ventura Soares COUTINHO, resident of Santana, [ north of Vila do Porto]
freguesia of Nossa Senhora da Assunção
2. José Ignacio Coelho d'ANDRADE [also known as José Ignacio COUTHO]
3. Manoel Joaquim de FONTES [several of this name, as well as de FONTES
with different given names]


Since you were born in Vila do Porto, are these ancestors likely from the
same area?  If so, and if you have access to a Latter Day Saint Family
History Center, I can furnish you with the microfilm numbers you will have
to search.  Are you familiar with the work of the Mormons in microfilming
the Church ledgers?  It is from these that most of us doing Azores
genealogy rely upon.  The films of Vila do Porto, five in number, contain
records from 1599-1892.  There is no index available, but each ledger was
in chronological order, so if you have approximate dates, specific records
are not too difficult to find (reading them may be the more difficult
problem, given in some cases their physical condition, the use of Latin-old
Portuguese, etc.)

Unfortunately records from the other freguesias (Santa Bárbara, Santo
Espírito, São Pedro) were not photographed beyond 1883.

I hope this helps -- we shall be glad to stay in touch with you if you
desire,
Denis & Tish

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Santa Bárbara, Santa Maria Island

[Denis Meals]

Margaret:
Thank you... I always value your translations, but now, also your insight
into the culture of the Church.
Denis

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Margaret Vicente
wrote:

> Denis,
>
> It is not quite that simple.  They (the parents of new newborn) due to
> their circumstances may have had no choice in the matter and were unable to
> participate in the church.  Due to church rules they may have not been able
> to make good their situation which would render them unable to attend
> services.
>
> You may ask next then how come their child was baptised?  Here it is
> different, church's dogma regarding baptism is to save souls and they had
> an obligation to the child.
>
> Further to this the priest usually writes "whom I know well and who are
> parishioners of this church and live in this or that parish".  In this case
> he was saying they were from a different church he didn't know them because
> they didn't participate in the church but lived in the parish.
>
>  Margaret
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:54 PM, Denis Meals  wrote:
>
>> Margaret & Cheri:
>> Thank you both -- I think you do have the gist of the meaning correct -
>> that the priest was chastising the parents for being 'absent parishioners
>> for a number of years'.  Perhaps understandable, given that the child Anna
>> was illegitimate, fathered by Albino who had relations with a woman perhaps
>> of about the same age as his legitimate daughter.
>>
>> I wish I understood the cultures of the Azores as a native would, but
>> Albino probably was not looked upon with favor by others in the parish.
>>
>> Thank you again,
>> Denis
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I can see it now.
>>>
>>> So the priest is going off on how her parents don't go to church and
>>> then he forgets the baptism date? Sheesh!  That's something I don't see
>>> very often in a document.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Santa Bárbara, Santa Maria Island

[Denis Meals]

Margaret & Cheri:
Thank you both -- I think you do have the gist of the meaning correct -
that the priest was chastising the parents for being 'absent parishioners
for a number of years'.  Perhaps understandable, given that the child Anna
was illegitimate, fathered by Albino who had relations with a woman perhaps
of about the same age as his legitimate daughter.

I wish I understood the cultures of the Azores as a native would, but
Albino probably was not looked upon with favor by others in the parish.

Thank you again,
Denis

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I can see it now.
>
> So the priest is going off on how her parents don't go to church and then
> he forgets the baptism date? Sheesh!  That's something I don't see very
> often in a document.
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with baptism margin note

[Denis Meals]

I want to again thank all whom responded to my initial question regarding
these particular notes.  Looking further, 4 of the 5 sons of José de
Braga-Jacintha Umbelina have these notes added to the margin of their
baptisms.  I am of the opinion that, as John Roias and Margaret Vicente
suggest, they indicate either an inheritance or property claim.
Denis

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM,  wrote:

>   Hi Denis, I have a death record from Santa Maria of Jose de Braga
> widower of Jacintha Umbelina  died in Feb. 1875 . His father is Jose
> Francisco de Braga de Soares mother Barbara Jacintha. . Maybe they are
> yours. henrietta
>
>  *From:* Denis Meals 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 8:04 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with baptism margin note
>
> Thanks to Ary, Dano, Elaine, and especially JR, for your collective
> thoughtful replies.
>
> In this particular case - 4 of the 5 sons of José de Braga-Jacintha
> Umbelina have the same note (different dates) attached to their baptism
> records. In addition, two of these sons each have 2 similar notes.
>
> Notations related to death or marriage have dissimilar wording from these
> notes.  Passports, a possiblility. Given all the evidence, I lean toward
> some sort of legalities, as suggested by JR.
> Denis
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM, JR  wrote:
>
>> Notations could be issued for any reason, such as passport, to prove
>> descendancy when making a property claim or inheritance, or for other
>> legal reasons, as well as a notation for death, marriage or birth. In
>> this case, most likely to obtain a passport or other legal documents
>> to leave the country. There was a mass migration of Azoreans at this
>> time to North America (US) and Brazil. Some even went from one island
>> to another. The Braga's of Santa Maria are very old and some are of,
>> or connected to noble ancestry. But you have to prove it and follow
>> the line. Many Santa Maria records are in poor condition. Good Luck.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Mar 2, 10:27 pm, Denis Meals  wrote:
>> > Dano & Ary:
>> > These notations have me completely puzzled.  These are occurring in the
>> > male children of José de Braga-Jacintha Umbelina, though I have also
>> seen
>> > them in other incidences, but only rarely.  In the present case, these
>> > notations apparently have nothing to do with the death or marriage of
>> the
>> > individual [see an example in my second posting, in which two like
>> > notations occur for the same person].  Also, I have found the later
>> > marriage of one of these boys - the marriage date far removed from the
>> date
>> > within his baptism note.
>> >
>> > Any further thoughts on what may be their meaning?
>> > With much appreciation,
>> > Denis
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>  > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Dano  wrote:
>> > > Denis,
>> >
>> > > This is a notation that a certificate was issued on 13-Ago-1894. I
>> > > agree that the third digit in the year is most likely a "9." If you
>> > > know that the person was born in 1843, then, the certification was
>> > > likely issued in relation to his, or her, death.
>> >
>> > > On Mar 1, 8:30 pm, Denis Meals  wrote:
>> > > > I hope that some of our more experienced translators can help with
>> the
>> > > > attached margin note.
>> >
>> > > > This is a baptism of a child born in 1843.  Something happened on 13
>> > > August
>> > > > 1884 or 1894 (I think the latter date).  But I can not get the
>> first two
>> > > > words.
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > Denis
>> >
>> > > >  Margin note.jpg
>> > > > 149KViewDownload
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with baptism margin note

[Denis Meals]

Thanks to Ary, Dano, Elaine, and especially JR, for your collective
thoughtful replies.

In this particular case - 4 of the 5 sons of José de Braga-Jacintha
Umbelina have the same note (different dates) attached to their baptism
records. In addition, two of these sons each have 2 similar notes.

Notations related to death or marriage have dissimilar wording from these
notes.  Passports, a possiblility. Given all the evidence, I lean toward
some sort of legalities, as suggested by JR.
Denis


On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM, JR  wrote:

> Notations could be issued for any reason, such as passport, to prove
> descendancy when making a property claim or inheritance, or for other
> legal reasons, as well as a notation for death, marriage or birth. In
> this case, most likely to obtain a passport or other legal documents
> to leave the country. There was a mass migration of Azoreans at this
> time to North America (US) and Brazil. Some even went from one island
> to another. The Braga's of Santa Maria are very old and some are of,
> or connected to noble ancestry. But you have to prove it and follow
> the line. Many Santa Maria records are in poor condition. Good Luck.
>
> JR
>
> On Mar 2, 10:27 pm, Denis Meals  wrote:
> > Dano & Ary:
> > These notations have me completely puzzled.  These are occurring in the
> > male children of José de Braga-Jacintha Umbelina, though I have also seen
> > them in other incidences, but only rarely.  In the present case, these
> > notations apparently have nothing to do with the death or marriage of the
> > individual [see an example in my second posting, in which two like
> > notations occur for the same person].  Also, I have found the later
> > marriage of one of these boys - the marriage date far removed from the
> date
> > within his baptism note.
> >
> > Any further thoughts on what may be their meaning?
> > With much appreciation,
> > Denis
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Dano  wrote:
> > > Denis,
> >
> > > This is a notation that a certificate was issued on 13-Ago-1894. I
> > > agree that the third digit in the year is most likely a "9." If you
> > > know that the person was born in 1843, then, the certification was
> > > likely issued in relation to his, or her, death.
> >
> > > On Mar 1, 8:30 pm, Denis Meals  wrote:
> > > > I hope that some of our more experienced translators can help with
> the
> > > > attached margin note.
> >
> > > > This is a baptism of a child born in 1843.  Something happened on 13
> > > August
> > > > 1884 or 1894 (I think the latter date).  But I can not get the first
> two
> > > > words.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Denis
> >
> > > >  Margin note.jpg
> > > > 149KViewDownload
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with baptism margin note

[Denis Meals]

Dano & Ary:
These notations have me completely puzzled.  These are occurring in the
male children of José de Braga-Jacintha Umbelina, though I have also seen
them in other incidences, but only rarely.  In the present case, these
notations apparently have nothing to do with the death or marriage of the
individual [see an example in my second posting, in which two like
notations occur for the same person].  Also, I have found the later
marriage of one of these boys - the marriage date far removed from the date
within his baptism note.

Any further thoughts on what may be their meaning?
With much appreciation,
Denis

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Dano  wrote:

> Denis,
>
> This is a notation that a certificate was issued on 13-Ago-1894. I
> agree that the third digit in the year is most likely a "9." If you
> know that the person was born in 1843, then, the certification was
> likely issued in relation to his, or her, death.
>
> On Mar 1, 8:30 pm, Denis Meals  wrote:
> > I hope that some of our more experienced translators can help with the
> > attached margin note.
> >
> > This is a baptism of a child born in 1843.  Something happened on 13
> August
> > 1884 or 1894 (I think the latter date).  But I can not get the first two
> > words.
> > Thanks,
> > Denis
> >
> >  Margin note.jpg
> > 149KViewDownload
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade from Santa Maria 1771 & earlier

[Denis Meals]

Jesse:
"Assuncao, Porto, Santa Maria" undoubtedly refers to the *Church of Nossa
Senhora da Assunção in Vila do Porto, Santa Maria*. Thus, your Francisco
d'Andrade was most likely born in the Parish of the Mother Church.  I don't
know of any on this list who have accumulated records from Vila do Porto.
 These records are however available on microfilm through the Family
History Centers of the Church of the Latter Day Saints.  Five reels contain
the records of Vila do Porto 1599-1892.  Francisco's baptism would probably
be found on reel #1388405 or 406.  Since the baptisms are recorded
sequentially, you should be able to locate his time frame without too much
effort (??).

My wife and I have thus far confined our efforts to Santa Maria's
northeastern parish, Santa Bárbara.  We do know of at least one person on
this list researching the Parish of Santo Espírito.  She perhaps will
respond when she sees your reference to Francisco's parents.  I do not find
the village of Candeias within Santo Espírito Parish, however this has no
bearing on locating his baptismal record.
Denis

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Jesse Pacheco wrote:

> I have a Francisco d'Andrade in my tree who was born in about 1771 in
> Assuncao, Porto, Santa Maria. His parents were Miguel dos Merces who was
> from Candeias, Santo Espirito, Santa Maria, and Roza Margarida.
>
> Francisco had moved to Sao Miguel by 20 Aug 1796 when he married his first
> of three wives (I believe they were all originally from Sao Miguel). He
> died in 1839.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for a "status update" on records and research methods

[Denis Meals]

Jesse:
I will let others reply to your question of "any significant breakthroughs
with research methods".  Others will also be of help with your Sao Miguel
research.

As regards the island of Santa Maria, give us names and dates for what you
have already discovered; there are a few on this list who have accumulated
sizable databases from at least three of the parishes.
Denis

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Jesse Pacheco wrote:

>  Hi group,
>
> I've been out of the loop for awhile now (haven't really been able to do
> any research for over two years now) but was wondering if there have been
> any developments or changes as far as the status of the records online and
> their accessibility has gone. I remember someone had been in correspondence
> with the Azores site who said they did plan to eventually have all the
> records online, but did not give a date.  I also remember that I had been
> using a website called etombo who had a great deal of mainland records
> online (although their interface was slower than the Azores site's). I
> believe etombo also had place holders for Azores records, or maybe I had
> been told they would eventually host them? I could be imagining that
> though. Familysearch was also in the midst of some changes and was
> regularly adding records.
>
> Unfortunately, I still am not really able to get to any family history
> centers (and if I remember correctly the one nearest me was having
> problems) and so *I was wondering if someone who has stayed up to date
> could tell me if there have been any significant breakthroughs with
> research methods in the past two years. It would be any major things since
> the summer of 2010.* Time was an issue, but the big reason I got out of
> researching was because I had done as much as I could with the resources I
> had. I would love to be able to get back into it.
>
> If it's relevant, my research revolves around Lagoa and Nordeste in Sao
> Miguel as well as undetermined parts of Santa Maria, and then Massachusetts
> and tiny bit of California in the 1900s.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records I have Compiled.

[Denis Meals]

Following Richard Pimentel's suggestion:
Tish and I have the baptism, marriage and obituary records of all
individuals residing in the Santa Bárbara Parish of Santa Maria Island
during the period 1801-1883.

Denis Meals

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Cheri Mello has the following from Sao Miguel island (need Excel to open):
>
> Achada marriages (1680 something - 1729) - 225 records
> Faial da Terra marriages (1696-1703) - 47 records
> Povoacao baptisms (1574-1640) - 37 records
> Povoacao marriages (1707; 1712) - 5 records
> Povoacao deaths (1591-1593) - 4 records
> Ribeira das Tainhas marriages (1885 - 1900) - 117 records
> Vila Franca baptisms (Sao Pedro church?) (1565-1599)
> Vila Franca baptisms (Sao Miguel Arcanjo church) (1560s to 1628)
> Vila Franca marriages (1576-1670) - 58 scattered records
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] First, middle names for Azorean people

[Denis Meals]

I would like to thank all who responded to my initial posting.  You
confirmed what I suspected to be so; the Portuguese naming system of
attaching adjectives (occupations, nicknames) to their given names was their
way of uniquely identifying individuals. You also confirmed that this
practice occurred *throughou*t the Azores.

Just as it identified our ancestors while they were living, so too can it
help us as genealogists to sort through the many same-named individuals that
we encounter in our research.  I think we all gained from the information
shared in this thread.
Denis

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:58 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Diane Lavely wrote:
>
> How do we ever find anything??  Diane
>
> You tell me.still after 10 years trying to find my ggrandmother's
> baptism record.seems like they had kids all over those islandsand
> this was only from 1850 when they for some reason went to the Azores from
> mainland Portugal.
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> I often wondered how a family member got his nickname..from the
> priest who baptized him..
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[AZORES-Genealogy] First, middle names for Azorean people

[Denis Meals]

Listers:

I read with interest the recent discussion regarding the 'end-of-the-line'
surnames.  Dano on 1 Oct. spoke to this, and I second his comments.

However, I now have a question to pose to our listers, and ask for their
opinions.

Azorean first and second names seem to be restricted to only perhaps 12
commonly used, i.e. Manoel, Jose, Antonio, Joao, Maria, Jacintha, Joaquina,
Umbelina, being perhaps most common.  Given that most families had many
children means that within a community, there would have been many named
Manoel, for example.  For the older still unmarried, at least several named
Manoel Jose or Maria Jacintha.

How then did they distinguish between the many same-named individuals within
their immediate community, as well as adjacent villages?

Denis

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