RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Hi Shirley, I'm sorry for the slow response but the holiday has had me out of pocket. Thank you so much for your help! I appreciate your confirmation of Joao's record and I especially appreciate your finding Isabel do Rosario's baptism for me. Each time another generation is added I'm thrilled. Thanks again and have a great day, Nancy Jean From: shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 16:33:48 -0700 I looked at the obito for Joao de Sousa Cardoso today. This is how I read it: This is on page 54 right DOD: 13 August 1797, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores Joao de Sousa Cardoso age 63 ate sacraments Buried this Matriz SPOUSE Isabel do Rosario Parochial of Santo Amaro, termo Velas That is the best that I could do. I found the following birth info: DOB 1? June 1731 BAPT 3? June 1731, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores ((page 15 RightCenter) Isabel (Joam Machado Costa, native N.S. Rosario -Rosais (Sao Jorge) X Mecia da Rosario, native Velas) GODPARENTS Joam Manoel Teixeira de Betancurt Joanna de Resureicao (Manoel Silveira de Sousa X Maria Camacha) both deceased residents if Beira Hope this helps.Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Thank you, Shirley, I appreciate your help on this. I've been searching for the children of Joam and Isabel and also for Joam's obit which I found. I could certainly use some help with the record. I think it says he died August 13, 1797 and was 63 years old. I hope someone will confirm that for me. Also, usually there's more information in the record regarding occupation, number of children etc and I can't seem to see any of that. Could someone tell me the other information held in the record? It can be found in VELAS OBITS FOR 1790-1800, PG. #0072, jOAO DE SOUSA CARDOSO MARRIED TO ISABEL DO ROSARIO. Thank you for any help, Nancy Jean From: shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:10:51 -0700 Hi Nancy: I looked at the Velas film and found the following: #645 Page 100 right DOMarriage: 9 Jan 1753 Joam de Sousa Parents: (Joam Teixeira X Lusia Cardosa) natives baptised Santa Barbara WIFE: Isabel do Rosario (Joam Machado Costa X Micaella _ Rosario) natives and bapt. Velas Hope this helps. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:36 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
You're Welcome. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Hi Shirley, I'm sorry for the slow response but the holiday has had me out of pocket. Thank you so much for your help! I appreciate your confirmation of Joao's record and I especially appreciate your finding Isabel do Rosario's baptism for me. Each time another generation is added I'm thrilled. Thanks again and have a great day, Nancy Jean -- From: shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 16:33:48 -0700 I looked at the obito for Joao de Sousa Cardoso today. This is how I read it: This is on page 54 right DOD: 13 August 1797, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores Joao de Sousa Cardoso age 63 ate sacraments Buried this Matriz SPOUSE Isabel do Rosario Parochial of Santo Amaro, termo Velas That is the best that I could do. I found the following birth info: DOB 1? June 1731 BAPT 3? June 1731, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores ((page 15 RightCenter) Isabel (Joam Machado Costa, native N.S. Rosario -Rosais (Sao Jorge) X Mecia da Rosario, native Velas) GODPARENTS Joam Manoel Teixeira de Betancurt Joanna de Resureicao (Manoel Silveira de Sousa X Maria Camacha) both deceased residents if Beira Hope this helps.Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Thank you, Shirley, I appreciate your help on this. I've been searching for the children of Joam and Isabel and also for Joam's obit which I found. I could certainly use some help with the record. I think it says he died August 13, 1797 and was 63 years old. I hope someone will confirm that for me. Also, usually there's more information in the record regarding occupation, number of children etc and I can't seem to see any of that. Could someone tell me the other information held in the record? It can be found in VELAS OBITS FOR 1790-1800, PG. #0072, jOAO DE SOUSA CARDOSO MARRIED TO ISABEL DO ROSARIO. Thank you for any help, Nancy Jean From: shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:10:51 -0700 Hi Nancy: I looked at the Velas film and found the following: #645 Page 100 right DOMarriage: 9 Jan 1753 Joam de Sousa Parents: (Joam Teixeira X Lusia Cardosa) natives baptised Santa Barbara WIFE: Isabel do Rosario (Joam Machado Costa X Micaella _ Rosario) natives and bapt. Velas Hope this helps. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:36 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
I looked at the obito for Joao de Sousa Cardoso today. This is how I read it: This is on page 54 right DOD: 13 August 1797, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores Joao de Sousa Cardoso age 63 ate sacraments Buried this Matriz SPOUSE Isabel do Rosario Parochial of Santo Amaro, termo Velas That is the best that I could do. I found the following birth info: DOB 1? June 1731 BAPT 3? June 1731, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores ((page 15 RightCenter) Isabel (Joam Machado Costa, native N.S. Rosario -Rosais (Sao Jorge) X Mecia da Rosario, native Velas) GODPARENTS Joam Manoel Teixeira de Betancurt Joanna de Resureicao (Manoel Silveira de Sousa X Maria Camacha) both deceased residents if Beira Hope this helps.Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Thank you, Shirley, I appreciate your help on this. I've been searching for the children of Joam and Isabel and also for Joam's obit which I found. I could certainly use some help with the record. I think it says he died August 13, 1797 and was 63 years old. I hope someone will confirm that for me. Also, usually there's more information in the record regarding occupation, number of children etc and I can't seem to see any of that. Could someone tell me the other information held in the record? It can be found in VELAS OBITS FOR 1790-1800, PG. #0072, jOAO DE SOUSA CARDOSO MARRIED TO ISABEL DO ROSARIO. Thank you for any help, Nancy Jean -- From: shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:10:51 -0700 Hi Nancy: I looked at the Velas film and found the following: #645 Page 100 right DOMarriage: 9 Jan 1753 Joam de Sousa Parents: (Joam Teixeira X Lusia Cardosa) natives baptised Santa Barbara WIFE: Isabel do Rosario (Joam Machado Costa X Micaella _ Rosario) natives and bapt. Velas Hope this helps. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:36 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Hi Nancy: I looked at the Velas film and found the following: #645 Page 100 right DOMarriage: 9 Jan 1753 Joam de Sousa Parents: (Joam Teixeira X Lusia Cardosa) natives baptised Santa Barbara WIFE: Isabel do Rosario (Joam Machado Costa X Micaella _ Rosario) natives and bapt. Velas Hope this helps. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:36 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Thank you, Shirley, I appreciate your help on this. I've been searching for the children of Joam and Isabel and also for Joam's obit which I found. I could certainly use some help with the record. I think it says he died August 13, 1797 and was 63 years old. I hope someone will confirm that for me. Also, usually there's more information in the record regarding occupation, number of children etc and I can't seem to see any of that. Could someone tell me the other information held in the record? It can be found in VELAS OBITS FOR 1790-1800, PG. #0072, jOAO DE SOUSA CARDOSO MARRIED TO ISABEL DO ROSARIO. Thank you for any help,Nancy Jean From: shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:10:51 -0700 Hi Nancy: I looked at the Velas film and found the following: #645 Page 100 right DOMarriage: 9 Jan 1753 Joam de Sousa Parents: (Joam Teixeira X Lusia Cardosa) natives baptised Santa Barbara WIFE: Isabel do Rosario (Joam Machado Costa X Micaella _ Rosario) natives and bapt. Velas Hope this helps. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:36 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
It was a quick find due to the parent's marriage date... think nothing of it, Nancy Jean. Good luck with finding her children and siblings. Margaret On 5/13/12, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you, Margaret I appreciate your help more than you can know! Her marriage on June 9, 1800 says she's 26! He was 23.in reality she's marrying 1 day after her 36th birthday.13 years older than Antonio. I had begun looking at the baptisms and found the first sibling, Manuel, Jan. 24, 1754. I can't imagine that people didn't know she was really 36 instead of 26. Now I'll figure out how many children she and Antonio actually had since she started late! I'll also see if there are additional children after Mariana. Again, my thanks for finding my elusive 4th ggrandmother,Nancy Jean Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:38:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean, Found your Mariana...she was born 10-Jun-1764 pls. see 1752-1765.0176 also attached here for you. Attached is a copy. Also see siblingsMaria 25-Jan-1756, 1752-1765.0054 Jose 02-Dec-1758, 1752-1765.0099Isabel 03-Jan-1761, 1752-1765.0144 There may be more children after Mariana. Margaret On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:58 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you, Margaret, I guess I just assumed that since her marriage record gave her parents that they were as stated.I suppose she could have a pai incognito although if her parents married in 1753 and she wasn't born until 1774/75 she should be legitimate. I'm going to spend time searching baptisms in Velas and look at some obits and see what I can find. I appreciate your insights. Luck I'll need Nancy Jean Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:41:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com correction, Mariana's birth time 1774/1775.. Margaret On 5/11/12, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: Nancy Jean, It says he parents are parishoners of this church and naturals of this matrix of Velas island of S. Jorge. Also since her parents marriage record you found is in Velas, I would search birth records as of the marriage date. I did find a Mariana born within your Mariana Clara's 26 age (1975/1976) Mother Isabel Miranda and of incognito father. Which should not be discarded as a possibility. This would prompt me to trace Isabel's birth record to see if Miranda is her family name. My gggm born in Sao Jorge, Calheta of Incognito father married in Sao Miguel, with the marriage record stating she was the daughter of Antonio Jose de Miranda of Graciosa, NS da Luz. Thus the possibility the father was incognito at time of birth and then perhaps reconciled, married and assumed the child. Good Luck. Margaret On 5/10/12, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Margaret, I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record # 1355. June 4, 1800, Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and her parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario. I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her anywhere in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look at the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes finding her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her father's obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings. This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with my Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao Simoes Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo for the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for Pico. The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never run out of the need to search for someonenice to know that as long as I can I'll have a passion to pursue! My best to you,Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean, What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record? It should say which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Thank you, Margaret I appreciate your help more than you can know! Her marriage on June 9, 1800 says she's 26! He was 23.in reality she's marrying 1 day after her 36th birthday.13 years older than Antonio. I had begun looking at the baptisms and found the first sibling, Manuel, Jan. 24, 1754. I can't imagine that people didn't know she was really 36 instead of 26. Now I'll figure out how many children she and Antonio actually had since she started late! I'll also see if there are additional children after Mariana. Again, my thanks for finding my elusive 4th ggrandmother,Nancy Jean Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:38:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean, Found your Mariana...she was born 10-Jun-1764 pls. see 1752-1765.0176 also attached here for you. Attached is a copy. Also see siblingsMaria 25-Jan-1756, 1752-1765.0054 Jose 02-Dec-1758, 1752-1765.0099Isabel 03-Jan-1761, 1752-1765.0144 There may be more children after Mariana. Margaret On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:58 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you, Margaret, I guess I just assumed that since her marriage record gave her parents that they were as stated.I suppose she could have a pai incognito although if her parents married in 1753 and she wasn't born until 1774/75 she should be legitimate. I'm going to spend time searching baptisms in Velas and look at some obits and see what I can find. I appreciate your insights. Luck I'll need Nancy Jean Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:41:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com correction, Mariana's birth time 1774/1775.. Margaret On 5/11/12, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: Nancy Jean, It says he parents are parishoners of this church and naturals of this matrix of Velas island of S. Jorge. Also since her parents marriage record you found is in Velas, I would search birth records as of the marriage date. I did find a Mariana born within your Mariana Clara's 26 age (1975/1976) Mother Isabel Miranda and of incognito father. Which should not be discarded as a possibility. This would prompt me to trace Isabel's birth record to see if Miranda is her family name. My gggm born in Sao Jorge, Calheta of Incognito father married in Sao Miguel, with the marriage record stating she was the daughter of Antonio Jose de Miranda of Graciosa, NS da Luz. Thus the possibility the father was incognito at time of birth and then perhaps reconciled, married and assumed the child. Good Luck. Margaret On 5/10/12, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Margaret, I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record # 1355. June 4, 1800, Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and her parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario. I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her anywhere in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look at the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes finding her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her father's obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings. This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with my Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao Simoes Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo for the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for Pico. The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never run out of the need to search for someonenice to know that as long as I can I'll have a passion to pursue! My best to you,Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean, What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record? It should say which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would like. Margaret On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I spent time searching for Marianna's
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Nancy Jean, It says he parents are parishoners of this church and naturals of this matrix of Velas island of S. Jorge. Also since her parents marriage record you found is in Velas, I would search birth records as of the marriage date. I did find a Mariana born within your Mariana Clara's 26 age (1975/1976) Mother Isabel Miranda and of incognito father. Which should not be discarded as a possibility. This would prompt me to trace Isabel's birth record to see if Miranda is her family name. My gggm born in Sao Jorge, Calheta of Incognito father married in Sao Miguel, with the marriage record stating she was the daughter of Antonio Jose de Miranda of Graciosa, NS da Luz. Thus the possibility the father was incognito at time of birth and then perhaps reconciled, married and assumed the child. Good Luck. Margaret On 5/10/12, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Margaret, I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record # 1355. June 4, 1800, Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and her parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario. I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her anywhere in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look at the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes finding her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her father's obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings. This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with my Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao Simoes Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo for the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for Pico. The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never run out of the need to search for someonenice to know that as long as I can I'll have a passion to pursue! My best to you,Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean, What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record? It should say which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would like. Margaret On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I spent time searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors! I'm happy though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I had! Again, thanks,Nancy Jean Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi, If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA. Simply because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering it like the letter P, illusive. best, Margaret On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM, rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Nancy Jane, My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira. Rosemarie Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't
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correction, Mariana's birth time 1774/1775.. Margaret On 5/11/12, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: Nancy Jean, It says he parents are parishoners of this church and naturals of this matrix of Velas island of S. Jorge. Also since her parents marriage record you found is in Velas, I would search birth records as of the marriage date. I did find a Mariana born within your Mariana Clara's 26 age (1975/1976) Mother Isabel Miranda and of incognito father. Which should not be discarded as a possibility. This would prompt me to trace Isabel's birth record to see if Miranda is her family name. My gggm born in Sao Jorge, Calheta of Incognito father married in Sao Miguel, with the marriage record stating she was the daughter of Antonio Jose de Miranda of Graciosa, NS da Luz. Thus the possibility the father was incognito at time of birth and then perhaps reconciled, married and assumed the child. Good Luck. Margaret On 5/10/12, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Margaret, I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record # 1355. June 4, 1800, Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and her parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario. I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her anywhere in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look at the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes finding her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her father's obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings. This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with my Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao Simoes Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo for the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for Pico. The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never run out of the need to search for someonenice to know that as long as I can I'll have a passion to pursue! My best to you,Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean, What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record? It should say which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would like. Margaret On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I spent time searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors! I'm happy though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I had! Again, thanks,Nancy Jean Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi, If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA. Simply because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering it like the letter P, illusive. best, Margaret On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM, rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Nancy Jane, My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira. Rosemarie Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Thank you, Margaret, I guess I just assumed that since her marriage record gave her parents that they were as stated.I suppose she could have a pai incognito although if her parents married in 1753 and she wasn't born until 1774/75 she should be legitimate. I'm going to spend time searching baptisms in Velas and look at some obits and see what I can find. I appreciate your insights. Luck I'll need Nancy Jean Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:41:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com correction, Mariana's birth time 1774/1775.. Margaret On 5/11/12, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: Nancy Jean, It says he parents are parishoners of this church and naturals of this matrix of Velas island of S. Jorge. Also since her parents marriage record you found is in Velas, I would search birth records as of the marriage date. I did find a Mariana born within your Mariana Clara's 26 age (1975/1976) Mother Isabel Miranda and of incognito father. Which should not be discarded as a possibility. This would prompt me to trace Isabel's birth record to see if Miranda is her family name. My gggm born in Sao Jorge, Calheta of Incognito father married in Sao Miguel, with the marriage record stating she was the daughter of Antonio Jose de Miranda of Graciosa, NS da Luz. Thus the possibility the father was incognito at time of birth and then perhaps reconciled, married and assumed the child. Good Luck. Margaret On 5/10/12, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Margaret, I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record # 1355. June 4, 1800, Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and her parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario. I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her anywhere in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look at the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes finding her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her father's obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings. This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with my Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao Simoes Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo for the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for Pico. The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never run out of the need to search for someonenice to know that as long as I can I'll have a passion to pursue! My best to you,Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean, What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record? It should say which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would like. Margaret On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I spent time searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors! I'm happy though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I had! Again, thanks,Nancy Jean Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi, If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA. Simply because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering it like the letter P, illusive. best, Margaret On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM, rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Nancy Jane, My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira. Rosemarie Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770s and never could find
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I spent time searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors! I'm happy though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I had! Again, thanks,Nancy Jean Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi, If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA. Simply because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering it like the letter P, illusive. best, Margaret On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM, rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Nancy Jane, My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira. Rosemarie Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well. Thanks again,Nancy Jean From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 + Nancy, I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down: 9 Jan 1753 for the date. Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. Amaro and Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of this matrix. Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. Gayle From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com Reply-To: azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 To: azores group azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Nancy Jean, What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record? It should say which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would like. Margaret On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I spent time searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors! I'm happy though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I had! Again, thanks, Nancy Jean -- Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi, If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA. Simply because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering it like the letter P, illusive. best, Margaret On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM, rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Nancy Jane, My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira. Rosemarie Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well. Thanks again,Nancy Jean From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 + Nancy, I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down: 9 Jan 1753 for the date. Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. Amaro and Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of this matrix. Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. Gayle From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com Reply-To: azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 To: azores group azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto: azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Hi Margaret, I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record # 1355. June 4, 1800, Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and her parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario. I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her anywhere in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look at the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes finding her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her father's obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings. This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with my Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao Simoes Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo for the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for Pico. The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never run out of the need to search for someonenice to know that as long as I can I'll have a passion to pursue! My best to you,Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean, What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record? It should say which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would like. Margaret On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I spent time searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors! I'm happy though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I had! Again, thanks,Nancy Jean Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi, If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA. Simply because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering it like the letter P, illusive. best, Margaret On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM, rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Nancy Jane, My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira. Rosemarie Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well. Thanks again,Nancy Jean From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Hi, If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA. Simply because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering it like the letter P, illusive. best, Margaret On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM, rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Nancy Jane, My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira. Rosemarie Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well. Thanks again,Nancy Jean From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 + Nancy, I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down: 9 Jan 1753 for the date. Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. Amaro and Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of this matrix. Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. Gayle From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com Reply-To: azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 To: azores group azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto: azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Nancy, I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down: 9 Jan 1753 for the date. Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. Amaro and Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of this matrix. Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. Gayle From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com Reply-To: azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 To: azores group azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well. Thanks again,Nancy Jean From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 + Nancy, I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down: 9 Jan 1753 for the date. Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. Amaro and Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of this matrix. Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. Gayle From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com Reply-To: azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 To: azores group azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Nancy Jean, I'm always looking for more cousins. I find the migration patterns fascinating. If you remember who these people you met are, maybe we can find a connection. No rush. I have to get through finals week next week before I have time to play. Take care, Gayle On May 8, 2012, at 5:49 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well. Thanks again, Nancy Jean From: mailto:gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edumailto:gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 + Nancy, I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down: 9 Jan 1753 for the date. Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. Amaro and Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of this matrix. Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. Gayle From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com Reply-To: azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 To: azores group azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Nancy Jane, My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira. Rosemarie Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well. Thanks again,Nancy Jean From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 + Nancy, I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down: 9 Jan 1753 for the date. Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. Amaro and Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of this matrix. Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. Gayle From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com Reply-To: azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 To: azores group azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
