Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bomb Damage Analysis of the Murrah Building

2000-01-05 Thread lloyd

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Subject: Re: Fw: Bomb Damage Analysis of the Murrah Building
Date: Sunday, January 02, 2000 6:44 PM

What the investigators should do is get the records from the wrecking
  company that finished demoloshing the federal building in OK City.
  I saw a TV special on this demolition, apparently owned and bossed
  by a lady demolition expert.  This crew has pictures or drawings of
  every beam in the building, and this is vital information to CONFIRM
  that it was the feds themselves who blew up the building.  ALL infor-
  mation, including the conspicious absense of BATF and IBM agents
  from the building that day, leads to this conclusion.

 Ray Earnest

Henry Ayre wrote:

 "Contrary to investigative procedures - and common sense - the Murrah
 Building was demolished and its remains were buried in a (fenced and
 guarded) local landfill. Requests for an independent examination of the
 evidence were denied."

 A reminder that the entire Murrah Building affair was
 a Federal government coverup. Do a search on "OKC
 bombing," Murrah building," etc.

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 From: EAGLEFLIGHT-- David E. Rydel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Bomb Damage Analysis of the Murrah Building
 http://www.brasscheck.com/OKBOMB/murrah.html

 Ken's quick explanation of Partin's diagram:
 
 1. The red dot surrounded by circles shows the location of the truck bomb.
 
 2. The force of an explosion (pounds per square inch) diminishes
 drastically as it moves through air. By the time it reaches column B-3, in

 the second tier of columns, it is only 27 pounds per square inch.
 
 3. Column B-3 was entirely taken out while the column next to it B-4 which

 would have received slightly more force was untouched.
 
 4. Columns A-3, A-5, and A-7 were collapsed at the 3rd floor level.
 Columns A-4, A-6, and A-8 were collapsed by the odd number columns
 adjacent to them. Note that Column A-7 is well out of the area of main
 blast force.
 
 5. These results are entirely consistent with demolition charges going off

 on B-3, A-3, A-5, and A-7. The size of the explosives needed would be
 minimal if there were attached directly to the columns.
 
 6. Several experienced demolition experts, physicists and munitions
 experts agree with Partin that there is no way this damage could have been

 done by the truck bomb alone. None of these were permitted to be witnesses

 on the McVeigh or Nichols trial. The only munitions expert allowed to
 testify was from the UK and her testimony did not address Partin's thesis.
 
 7. Contrary to investigative procedures - and common sense - the Murrah
 Building was demolished and its remains were buried in a local landfill.
 Requests for an independent examination of the evidence were denied.

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[CTRL] Little brother

2000-01-05 Thread Nicky Molloy

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http://www.bigbrother.net/

There is a product available via the Internet today with the explicit
intention of violating your privacy.  They are so blatant about this fact
that they actually call the product Little Brother.  In the interests of
evaluating the capabilities of this evil software, I downloaded a copy and
ran it on a local network.   The results, to say the least, disturbed me.
Before we get into that though, I'd like to explain a little bit about what
Little Brother is, what it does, and how it does it (at least as much as I
can figure out), and how to beat it.
What it does...

Little brother was designed by Kansmen corporation to help CIS managers
monitor the use of their networks.  It analyzes the network packets (TCP/IP,
IPX, and Apple Talk) sent by computers on the local network, and identifies
what kind of information is in them and where the packets are going.  It is
not only capable of differentiating between FTP, Usenet, and Web
transactions, but it can also track the kind of information inside the
packets.  For example, if you were to visit playboy.com, it can determine
that you are viewing pornography, or if you went to microsoft, it knows you
are looking at technology related information.  The person that is running
the Little Brother software can then choose to rate whether they think a
particular type of activity is productive, unproductive, or neutral.  In the
registered version of the software you can even set up Little Brother to
block sites based on these categorizations.

How it does it...

I don't have specifics on how Little Brother works, but it appears to
operate like CyberSitter and similar products.  It has a database of sites
which are categorized by the type of content as well as a keyword search of
the incoming information.  In addition to this, it is possible for the
administrator of Little Brother to add sites to the database.  The Little
Brother administrator can then go through and generate reports about who is
accessing what information, and how often they do it.  These reports can be
very general, showing all users and sites ranked by the amount of time or
bandwidth used, or it can be very specific.  Little Brother will let the
Administrator generate a usage log for a specific user, listing every web
site, ftp site, and usenet group that they have visited while Little Brother
is running.

As I said before, the registered version allows Little Brother to block
accesses to sites.  Since I wasn't willing to support this evilness by
paying money into it, I have not seen how this system works.  What's bizarre
about it, is that the program can run on ANY machine in the network and have
this capability; it does not have to sit on the firewall or anything like
that.  If you have any idea as to how this system works, please mail us, and
let us know.

Update: I recently received an e-mail from a representative from Kansmen
Corporation. He did not tell me specifically how the software works but he
said that it used features of TCP/IP published in the related RFC.

How to beat it!

Little Brother is only capable of tracking between a local network machine,
and its immediate destination outside the network.  This means that if you
connect through a proxy server outside of your local network, you should be
okay.  There are a several sites that provide anonymous proxying, and this
will prevent Little Brother from getting any information on what you look
at.  All Little Brother would see is a connection from your machine to the
proxy server.  Beyond that, Little Brother wouldn't have a clue.  If you are
going to use your local network to do anything questionable, then Little
Brother will be able to see it.  There is very little you can do to protect
yourself from Little Brother on your local network, but once you get
outside, there is protection.

Is Little Brother watching you?

Unless the Little Brother administrator is blocking sites, you probably
won't have any idea that you are being monitored.  Since the software can be
downloaded for free (for 30 days), this means that anybody in your network
could be monitoring what you are doing (at least for 30 days).  Does Bob
across the hall know that you like reading alt.sex.bondage?  Does your boss
know that you are looking for a new job?  Do you think that they would tell
you if they were watching you?

Related Links

Proxy Links from Yahoo
The Anonymizer - Anonymous Proxy Service
Little Brother Home Page

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[CTRL] Elan O'Brien int by T Beckley - Grid activation series no 12

2000-01-05 Thread Nicky Molloy

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3rd to 4th dimension - last of 12 timeportals around the planet being
opened..
Taken from Magazine Prophecies and Predictions for the New Millenium -
Written by Tim Beckley.


Q: What would you say is the next step for humankind in our evolution? And
what is the ultimate totality or finality of all of this? Are the planet and
the people on it transformed into some higher heavenly realm? Or what
exactly is the conclusion we hear so much from the prophets about the coming
of the Millennium? Is there to be a major event that will kind of shove this
in our faces, so to speak?

ARE THE
POLAR ICE
CAPS MELTING?
You Can Help Heal the
Earth's Ancient Energy Grid by
Timothy Green Beckley


Encounter the transference of sacred body geometric codes from the Hidden
Language of Light, Elan creates energetics that move cellular memory and
activate consciousness by using Higher Self Alignment procedures. "This is
done with light touch, breath, and tones that activate your natural state
and inner core blueprint. Remembering the map of life and taking it forward
is a step toward claiming your rightful place in the scheme of things that
stimulates unconditional love." (Photo by Tim Beckley)

Facts About Elan
Elan O'Brien is the founder of the internationally recognized
Inter-Dimensioning Healing. Her gifts were received from many ancient world
cultures Inter-Dimensional awareness and wisdom were gifted in personal and
direct contact with the whales and dolphins. Many of the "light gods" and
"codes" shared and facilitated in private sessions are a result of direct
teachings from these great beings. Elan's work is powerful, poignant and
profound, inciting union at the deepest levels of cells and soul. She has
done global work, assisting to share sacred ceremony in some of the planet's
most ancient temples. She continues to travel worldwide, presenting profound
healing and enlightenment in helping humankind in its transformation
towards the next steps in creation, evolution and integration of the Divine
Plan. For information; contact: Elan O'Brien, P0. Box 990, Indian Hills,
Colorado 80454. Telephone: 303 - 697- 8811.




Disembarking from the Westedem (the premier flag ship of the Holland America
lines), Tim Beckley found himself along with New Age light worker Elan
O'Brien walking across the polar ice shelf, said to be receding at the rate
of nearly two miles per year. The end result could he a total melting of
the poles, causing traumatic global consequences.

I want to start out by just getting a little bit of background.
What made you decide to come on this trip in a metaphysical view  And what
is your background as far as being involved in the whole spiritual awakening
of planet Earth?

O'BRIEN: I guess to begin with I'll answer your second question first. And
that is in terms of my own background and experience. About eleven years
ago, after becoming fairly disillusioned with Senior Management and a
Corporate Executive lifestyle, my "self" went through some dramatic personal
changes and revelations after a trip to Egypt. And after that trip, I
returned to leave my job. And then to follow
some would say "inner guidance," others would say your "heart" and others
would say "higher knowingness" or "intergalactic knowingness"-- and to
trivel the world for approxiniately eleven years. And most of that time, in
the early stages, was spent simply going to specific points in the Earth as
I was directed. And being in a position to experience what some would call
"miracles," or what some would call "a higher unfolding." Basically,
though, what it was was working with as I came to understand later the
electromagnetic grids


Elan poses on the very edge of the polar ice shelf. The ground between Elan
and the ice cap indicates the amount the ice shelf has melted during the
last year. A continuing melting of the ice at the poles could cause a global
catastrophe, including gigantic tidal waves and an unusually high degree of
flooding. (Photo by Tim Beckley) of the planet.

Q: And what are the electromagnetic grids of the planet? Where are they and
how do you define them? Are they acknowledged by science? Or is this totally
an intuitive thing with you?

0'BRlEN: Well, there is an acknowledgment of "ley lines"  specific points
throughout the earth. The electromagnetic grids are similar to ley lines but
not exactly the same. They're more of a frequency or vibrational level that
is around the planet. It's always been acknowledged as being "outside" for
quite some time. And I also know it to be beneath the planet as well. So
it's above and below. And it holds certain frequency bands, certain
"energetics" of electromagnetics. So some people liken the electromagnetic
grid to the nervous system of our bodies. It is not noticeable per se
visibly, but it definitely is like a transmitter system or a carrier system.
Another way people can describe it is as looking almost like some of the
ATT commercials you see on your 

Re: [CTRL] Hollywood stars turn against the 'lying' Clintons (fwd)

2000-01-05 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 01/04/2000 7:36:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 She added of the Clintons as a couple: "You feel like there's
 prevaricating, there's lying. You just don't trust them." 

Fancy!  Politicians you can't trust.  I can't believe it.  I thought
politicians  were all fine ethical people interested in my welfare.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Clinton Cocaine Witness Sharline Wilson Freed from Jail (fwd)

2000-01-05 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 01/04/2000 7:43:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  The former Little Rock drug dealer was convicted in 1993 of
 selling a small quantity of cocaine to an undercover narcotics
 officer. Under Arkansas law, first time offenders like Wilson
 rarely see lengthy jail sentences 

Well as long as she was completely innocent... Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: New Year's Sex Party At White House]

2000-01-05 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 01/05/2000 2:01:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 "I was embarrassed and did not know what to do under the circumstances,"
 the agent revealed. "I did not file a report on the incident, I'd probably
 lose my job."

 The agent, who has been stationed at the White House for 5 years, did give
 the DRUDGE REPORT the name of the guest he recognized -- but the name is
 being held from publication at this time for privacy concerns.

 "I am very hurt to see this type of behavior going on in the White House
 and to see invited guests carrying on this way," the agent said from
 Washington. 

Gee, sounds like the old Johnson or Kennedy days, doesn't it?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] The CIA and the New Opium War - from Ramparts (May 1971)

2000-01-05 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 01/05/2000 2:09:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  The concern of Hartke and others is not misplaced. Heroin has
 become the major killer of young people between eighteen and thirty-five,
 outpacing death from accidents, suicides, or cancer. It has also become a
 major cause of crime: to sustain their habits, addicts in the U.S. spend more
 than $15 million a day, half of it coming from the 55 percent of crime in the
 cities which they commit and the annual $2.5 billion worth of goods they
 steal. 

Isn't it interesting how stupid people can be?  Still think of it.  They're
kind of unofficial zombies--the living dead.  Fascinating.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] It's January 3rd. Where's the martial law I was told to expect?

2000-01-05 Thread Mary K. Gemmato

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True,
Am I to understand that you are disappointed that the crap didn't
hit the fan on January 1, 2000 ??? This gives us more time to prepare (thank
God for that). Mark Koernke said that dates are only important to the ring
knockers not to us. Don't sweat the details. Heads ups. Pray Until Something
Happens.

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Subject: [CTRL] It's January 3rd. Where's the martial law I was told to
expect?


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 Well I gave it a few days.
 I even thought I saw a UN blue helmet. Turned out my neighbor got a new
 hat.
 But there was no NWO takeover.
 No FEMA command.
 No Executive Order declaring martial law.
 No foreign troops marching in the streets.
 Nothing.
 Nada.
 So you paranoid wack jobs, where are you apologizes for crying wolf?

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[CTRL] American Organization for Cultural Peace

2000-01-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.sound.net/~placer/aocp/war.html
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.sound.net/~placer/aocp/war.html"American
Organization for Cultural Peace/A
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A new Videotape is available concerning Civil War conspiracy and the lasting
legal entanglements of that War. This video is loaded with facts, interviews,
maps and re-enactment action.

The War Between the States and the Untold Southern Truth

This video will give you the most definitive understanding of America's most
critical war. The contents of this video are designed to present the untold
history of the planning and events which led to war. Topics covered include:

Slavery-how some blacks owned white slaves in Virginia

Abolitionists-how that movement was taken over for the purpose of pushing
America into war

The Constitution-a target and a victim of the war

The European Connection-the foreign infiltration into the Confederate
government itself

The Continuum of Secession Attempts-dating back to 1804

Illegality of Reconstruction-the creation of the 14th Amendment hoax

And More-everything needed to trace the roots of today's power hungry Federal
Government

Interviews include:
John Hurley, President of the Confederate Embassy in Washington, D.C. speaks
on Southern Culture.
Eustice Mullens presents the evidence of the lesser known "intrigues"
creating the war.
Randy Geiszler speaks on the legal ramifications of the war affecting the
Constitution, Martial Law and the 13th  14th Amendments.

Professor Edward Smith covers the 'Black" issues of the war including the
Northern slave industry as well as discussing the Blacks who served in the
Confederacy.

Other issues covered are Secession, States Rights, Carpetbaggers, Dred Scott
and much more, including a Who's Who in this catalog of treason.

From the Videocassette cover:

A study of the War Between the States can be done in great depth and from
many perspectives. What separates the study of this war from the study of
other wars, is that when you wade through the battles, the Generals, the
logistics and the usual "Civil War" rhetoric, you will uncover some very
disturbing legal and moral questions that have never been answered; questions
that reveal a conflict between the Constitution of the United States of
America and the post-1865 Federal form of government of today.

The video is produced with a Southern perspective, or more particularly, a
Virginian perspective. This video reviews the popular debates surrounding the
war, but also reveals rare and overlooked information concerning the lengthy
and detailed instigation of this war. This video covers the New England and
European influences which operated deep within the pre-war South as well as
within the Confederacy itself. The video ends by showing how the Federal
government changed American Citizenship into its present quasi-Constitutional
status. Whether you have been studying the war for 30 days or 30 years, this
video will give you a new perspective vital to a full understanding of the
War Between the States.

Two hours and ten minutes in length.

Contact A.O.C.P. at P.O. Box 464 - Hanover, VA 23069 to order this videotape
for $20, postage paid. Make checks payable to AOCP.

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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
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Amen.
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[CTRL] [1] The Federal Reserve . . .

2000-01-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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Click Here: A HREF="http://fly.hiwaay.net/~becraft/mcfadden.html"The
Federal Reserve: An Astounding Exposure 1934/A
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On May 23, 1933, Congressman, Louis T. McFadden, brought formal charges
against the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve Bank system, The
Comptroller of the Currency and the Secretary of United States Treasury for
numerous criminal acts, including but not limited to, CONSPIRACY, FRAUD,
UNLAWFUL CONVERSION, AND TREASON.

The petition for Articles of Impeachment was thereafter referred to the
Judiciary Committee and has YET TO BE ACTED ON.

So, this ELECTRONIC BOOKLET should be reprinted, reposted,
set up on web pages and circulated far and wide.


Congressman McFadden
on the Federal Reserve Corporation
Remarks in Congress, 1934
AN ASTOUNDING EXPOSURE

Reprinted by permission 1978 Arizona Caucus Club


Congressman McFadden's Speech
On the Federal Reserve Corporation
Quotations from several speeches made on the Floor of the House of
Representatives by the Honorable Louis T. McFadden of Pennsylvania. Mr.
McFadden, due to his having served as Chairman of the Banking and Currency
Committee for more than 10 years, was the best posted man on these matters in
America and was in a position to speak with authority of the vast
ramifications of this gigantic private credit monopoly. As Representative of
a State which was among the first to declare its freedom from foreign money
tyrants it is fitting that Pennsylvania, the cradle of liberty, be again
given the credit for producing a son that was not afraid to hurl defiance in
the face of the money-bund. Whereas Mr. McFadden was elected to the high
office on both the Democratic and Republican tickets, there can be no
accusation of partisanship lodged against him. Because these speeches are set
out in full in the Congressional Record, they carry weight that no amount of
condemnation on the part of private individuals could hope to carry.

The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution
"Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions
the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the
Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the
Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of
enough money to pay the Nation's debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over.

"This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of these United
States, has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government.
It has done this through the defects of the law under which it operates,
through the maladministration of that law by the Fed and through the corrupt
practices of the moneyed vultures who control it.

"Some people who think that the Federal Reserve Banks United States
Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the
people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign
customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and
predatory money lender. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are
those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there
are those who send money into states to buy votes to control our
legislatures; there are those who maintain International propaganda for the
purpose of deceiving us into granting of new concessions which will permit
them to cover up their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic
train of crime.

"These twelve private credit monopolies were deceitfully and disloyally
foisted upon this Country by the bankers who came here from Europe and repaid
us our hospitality by undermining our American institutions. Those bankers
took money out of this Country to finance Japan in a war against Russia. They
created a reign of terror in Russia with our money in order to help that war
along. They instigated the separate peace between Germany and Russia, and
thus drove a wedge between the allies in World War. They financed Trotsky's
passage from New York to Russia so that he might assist in the destruction of
the Russian Empire. They fomented and instigated the Russian Revolution, and
placed a large fund of American dollars at Trotsky's disposal in one of their
branch banks in Sweden so that through him Russian homes might be thoroughly
broken up and Russian children flung far and wide from their natural
protectors. They have since begun breaking up of American homes and the
dispersal of American children. "Mr. Chairman, there should be no
partisanship in matters concerning banking and currency affairs in this
Country, and I do not speak with any.

"In 1912 the National Monetary Association, under the chairmanship of the

[CTRL] [2] The Federal Reserve . . .

2000-01-05 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~becraft/mcfadden.html
Click Here: A HREF="http://fly.hiwaay.net/~becraft/mcfadden.html"The
Federal Reserve: An Astounding Exposure 1934/A
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World Enslavement Planned
"Mr. Chairman, when the Fed was passed, the people of these United States did
not perceive that a world system was being set up here which would make the
savings of the American school teacher available to a narcotic-drug vendor in
Acapulco. They did not perceive that these United States was to be lowered to
the position of a coolie country which has nothing but raw material and
heart, that Russia was destined to supply the man power and that this country
was to supply the financial power to an "international superstate". A
superstate controlled by international bankers, and international
industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure?

"The people of these United States are being greatly wronged. They have been
driven from their employments. They have been dispossessed from their homes.
They have been evicted from their rented quarters. They have lost their
children. They have been left to suffer and die for lack of shelter, food,
clothing and medicine.

"The wealth of these United States and the working capital have been taken
away from them and has either been locked in the vaults of certain banks and
the great corporations or exported to foreign countries for the benefit of
the foreign customers of these banks and corporations. So far as the people
of the United States are concerned, the cupboard is bare.

"It is true that the warehouses and coal yards and grain elevators are full,
but these are padlocked, and the great banks and corporations hold the keys.

"The sack of these United States by the Fed is the greatest crime in history.

"Mr. Chairman, a serious situation confronts the House of Representatives
today. We are trustees of the people and the rights of the people are being
taken away from them. Through the Fed the people are losing the rights
guaranteed to them by the Constitution. Their property has been taken from
them without due process of law. Mr. Chairman, common decency requires us to
examine the public accounts of the Government and see what crimes against the
public welfare have been committed.

"What is needed here is a return to the Constitution of these United States.
"The old struggle that was fought out here in Jackson's time must be fought
our over again. The independent United States Treasury should be
reestablished and the Government should keep its own money under lock and key
in the building the people provided for that purpose.

"Asset currency, the devise of the swindler, should be done away with. The
Fed should be abolished and the State boundaries should be respected. Bank
reserves should be kept within the boundaries of the States whose people own
them, and this reserve money of the people should be protected so that the
International Bankers and acceptance bankers and discount dealers cannot draw
it away from them.

"The Fed should be repealed, and the Fed Banks, having violated their
charters, should be liquidated immediately. Faithless Government officials
who have violated their oaths of office should be impeached and brought to
trial.

"Unless this is done by us, I predict, that the American people, outraged,
pillaged, insulted and betrayed as they are in their own land, will rise in
their wrath, and will sweep the money changers out of the temple.

"Mr. Chairman, the United States is bankrupt: It has been bankrupted by the
corrupt and dishonest Fed. It has repudiated its debts to its own citizens.
Its chief foreign creditor is Great Britain, and a British bailiff has been
at the White House and the British Agents are in the United States Treasury
making inventory arranging terms of liquidations!

 Great Britain, Partner in Blackmail
"Mr. Chairman, the Fed has offered to collect the British claims in full from
the American public by trickery and corruption, if Great Britain will help to
conceal its crimes. The British are shielding their agents, the Fed, because
they do not wish that system of robbery to be destroyed here. They wish it to
continue for their benefit! By means of it, Great Britain has become the
financial mistress of the world. She has regained the position she occupied
before the World War.
"For several years she has been a silent partner in the business of the Fed.
Under threat of blackmail, or by their bribery, or by their native treachery
to the people of the United States, the officials in charge of the Fed
unwisely gave Great Britain immense gold loans running into hundreds of
millions of dollars. They did this against the law! Those gold loans were not
single transactions. They gave Great Britain a borrowing power in the United
States of billions. She squeezed billions out of this Country by means of her
control of the Fed.

"As soon as the Hoover Moratorium was announced, Great Britain moved to

[CTRL] Fwd: Indonesia Electric Blows Fuse Over Clinton Scandal

2000-01-05 Thread Kris Millegan





http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/2105_xcsof_indonesias.shtml

In 1994, President Clinton signed a trade agreement to supply
Indonesia with electric power using U.S. taxpayer loans.  The
trade agreement was worth billions to U.S. corporations such as
Mission Energy and General Electric.

"As markets expand, as information flows, the roots of an open
society will grow and strengthen and contribute to stability,"
stated President Clinton during the 1994 signing.

Five years later, in December 1999, Indonesia opened a criminal
investigation of the Clinton administration sponsored electric
power plants using documents first published by WorldNetDaily.

The documents were obtained by this reporter using the Freedom
of Information Act and were provided to the Indonesians at the
request of their legal counsel.

According to the Indonesian Financial Control and Development
Agency (BPKP), the Clinton administration documents detail
"corruption, collusion and nepotism" at the Power Generating
Project Paiton I (PLTU), located in East Java.

The Executive Director of the Indonesian state power company PT
PLN confirmed that a report has been prepared by the Indonesian
government on the criminal activity.

"Yes, it's true," stated Director Tung Gono.  "We have asked
BPKP to look into two items.  First, concerning a cluster of 27
private power projects, second, concerning 27 project
implementations.  The report has just come in."

Some 14 officials, who handled the agreement at the time, are
now suspected of facilitating or providing special treatment to
an economic unit connected to the power plant.

The Paiton power plant in East Java is owned by Japan's Mitsui
Electric, U.S. based Edison Mission Energy and General Electric,
and an Indonesian firm PT Batu Hitam Perkasa that is controlled
by local millionaire Hashim Djojohadikusumo.

Mr. Hashim is closely tied to the former dictator of Indonesia,
President Suharto.  Mr. Hashim's brother is married to Suharto's
youngest daughter, Ms. Prabowo.  Ms. Prabowo is also a part
owner of the Paiton power plant.  Hashim's father was also a
close friend of Suharto and a former economic minister to the
Indonesian strongman.

Bill Clinton is also closely tied to former dictator Suharto.
Declassified State Department cables from U.S. Ambassador J.
Stapleton Roy note that the Paiton I electric project was of
extreme importance to Clinton's Secretary of State.

The Clinton administration documents openly state that "Warren
Christopher is on Edison Mission's board of directors."

"Paiton Energy President Ronald Landry provided the IPP's
(independent power producers) with an overview of former
Secretary of State Warren Christopher's visit to Indonesia,"
states a 1998 U.S. embassy cable from Roy.

"Mr. Christopher, representing Edison International's board, was
here to launch a proposal."  According to Paiton CEO Landry,
Christopher "spoke on behalf of the IPP's" when he said that any
solution reached with Indonesia must:

 - Be a 'Win-Win' solution and not 'embarrass' Indonesia;
 - Protect the USG, other government agencies and the financial
   community;
 - Maintain debt coverage and the sanctity of the contract
 - Focus on financial rather than legal issues."

One document, an October 1998 State Dept. cable from the U.S.
Ambassador to Indonesia, J. Stapleton Roy, notes that Indonesian
Director General of Electricity Endro Utomo Notodisoerjo
commented on "corruption, collusion and nepotism (KKN)."

"Endro said that in the past there was no separation between
'power' (not electric but former first family power) and
business.  'All the IPP's have a relation with power, and it is
still going on,' added Endro," states the cable from Ambassador
Roy.

Despite the overwhelming evidence of criminal activity,
according to Paiton's president Ronald Landry, the U.S.
controlled power company preferred to resolve the issue through
negotiation.

"Unfortunately, it has become clear to us by PLN's pursuit of
this undeserving suit that PLN is not sincerely interested in
negotiation," said Landry in a December 1999 press announcement.

The announcement of a criminal investigation into the Paiton
project came after the Central Jakarta district court ruled that
it had jurisdiction to examine the legality of the purchase
contract between state electricity company PT PLN and
independent power producer PT Paiton Energy.

The Indonesian court turned down Paiton's proposition that the
court did not have the right to examine the case, and that
international arbitration should settle the matter.  Paiton had
argued that the purchase agreements signed by both parties in
1994 required all disputes be resolved through international
arbitration in Stockholm.

Indonesian legal counsel, Adnan Buyung Nasution, argued that the
contract was void ab initio or "void from the beginning."

Buyung stated that the contracts were invalid and based on the
"corrupt, collusive and nepotistic practices associated 

[CTRL] Fwd: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] Clinton to join Vernon Jordan investment firm in 2001

2000-01-05 Thread Kris Millegan





Something is unusual here. If someone admits to thinking about this now, the
chances that Clinton will resign before the end of his term just went up.

-Original Message-
From:   David Goldman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Wednesday, January 05, 2000 10:26 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:[CIA-DRUGS] Clinton to join Vernon Jordan investment firm in 2001

As Mike Ruppert and others say so succinctly: FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL...
David Goldman

Top World News
Wed, 05 Jan 2000, 10:26am EST

Clinton Weighs $10 Million Job at Lazard
After Presidency, Magazine Says
By Christopher Paris

Washington, Jan. 4 (Bloomberg) -- President Bill Clinton
will join the New York investment firm Lazard Freres
following
the end of his presidency in January 2001, Washingtonian
Magazine
reported, citing unnamed sources. Clinton would be paid a
salary
of $8 million with $2 million in possible bonuses and he'd
join
his friend Vernon Jordan who became senior managing
director at
Lazard Freres in January and may have helped arrange a post
for
Clinton, the magazine said. In 1997, Clinton sidestepped
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's choice for
ambassador to
France and named instead Lazard's managing director Felix
Rohatyn, a top supporter of Democratic causes and of
Clinton, the
magazine noted.

The president's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, said on Nov.
23 that she'll run for the U.S. Senate seat from New York to
succeed retiring Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

(Washingtonian 01/01;
http://www.washingtonian.com/thismonth/capcom.html)

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Re: [CTRL] The CIA and the New Opium War - from Ramparts (May 1971)

2000-01-05 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/5/00 6:18:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Isn't it interesting how stupid people can be?

 Among the most notable members of the China Lobby are Madame Anna Chennault,
whose husband, General Claire Chennault, founded Air America; columnist Joe
Alsop; FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, former California Senator William
Knowland, and Ray Cline, currently Chief of Intelligence for the State
Department. They and such compatriots as the late Time magazine publisher
Henry Luce and his widow, Congresswoman Claire Boothe Luce, have been some of
the country's strongest proponents of the Nationalist Chinese cause.

In 1954 Chiang Kai-shek formed the Asian People's Anti-Communist League
(APACL), which was to become one of the vital links between the China Lobby
and the Taiwan government. (It was also *in that year that Nixon urged that
U.S. troops be sent into Indochina following the French defeat in Dien Bien
Phu—a. proposal which failed because of the lack of public support for such
policy following the Korean War.) As soon as the APACL was formed, Chiang
announced that it had established "close contact" with three American
politicians-the most important of whom was Vice President Richard Nixon.

Over the years the China Lobby has continued to spring to Nixon's support. It
was Madame Chennault, co-chairman in 1968 of Women for Nixon-Agnew Advisory
Committee, who helped raise a quarter of a million dollars for the campaign;
it was she who just before the election entered into an elaborate set of
arrangements to sabotage a White House peace plan. Within 30 hours of the
announced plan, South Vietnam President Thieu rejected the new negotiations
it proposed—a rejection Madame Chennault had helped arrange as a last-minute
blow at Hubert Humphrey and the Democrats.

It is not only his debts, associations, and sympathies to the China Lobby
which have linked Nixon with Kuomintang machinations in Indochina and helped
plunge the U.S. deeper into the morass there. One of his most important
foreign policy appointments since taking office has been the reassignment of
Ray Cline as State Department director of intelligence and research. Cline,
the controversial CIA station chief in Taiwan who helped organize KMT forays
into Communist China, in 1962 promoted Nixon's old project of a Bay of Pigs
invasion of China. Within a month of Clines recent appointment, the
resumption of pilotless Intelligence flights over mainland China was approved.

The entire cast of the China Lobby has relied on one magic corporation, the
same corporation established just after World War II by General Claire
Chennault as Civil Air Transport and renamed in the 1950's Air America.
Carrier not only of men and personnel for all of Southeast Asia, but also of
the policies that have turned Indochina into the third bloodiest battlefield
in American history, Air America's chief contract is with the American
Central Intelligence Agency.

Air America brings Brahmin Bostonians and wealthy Wall Streeters who are the
China Lobby together with some of the most powerful men in Nationalist
China's financial history. One of its principal services has been to fly in
support for the "remnant" 93d Division of the KMT, the "opium army" in Burma;
another has been as a major carrier of opium itself. Air America flies
through all of the Laotian and Vietnamese opium pickup points, for aside from
the private "butterfly fleet!' and various military transports, Air America
is the "official" Indochina airline. A twenty-five-year-old black man
recently returned from Indochina told Ramparts of going to Vietnam in late
1968 as an adventurer, hoping to get in on the dope business. But he found
that the business was all controlled by a "group like the Mafia. It was tight
and there wasn't room for me." The only way he could make it in the dope
trade, he says, was to go to work for Air America as a mechanic. He found
there "was plenty of dope in Laos—lots of crystals [heroin] all over the
place." Air' America was the only way to get in on it.

What has taken place in Indochina is more than a flurry of corruption among
select dramatis personae in America's great Asian Drama. The fact that Meo
tribesmen have been nearly wiped out, that the Corsican Mafia's Air Opium has
been supplanted by the CIA's Air America, that Nationalist Chinese soldiers
operate as narcotics bandits, that such architects of U.S. democracy for the
East as the Nhus and Vice President Ky have been dope runners-these are only
the bizarre cameo roles in a larger tragedy that involves nothing less than
the uprooting of what bad been the opium trade for decades-through the
traditional lotus land of the Middle East into Western Europe—and the
substitution of another network, whose shape is parallel to that of the U.S.
presence in Southeast Asia. The ecology of narcotics has been disrupted and
remade to coincide with the structure of America's Asia strategy-the stealthy
conquest of a 

[CTRL] OEN 1/5/99

2000-01-05 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin
Grabbe/A
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World Stock Markets


Oops! Stocks Fall Down. Go Boom.


It must be that Y2K end to irrational expectations.

The prospect of rising interest rates in the United States and Europe pushed
major stock indexes down sharply Tuesday, although analysts said the drop
probably reflected investors cashing in some of the spectacular gains of last
year.

''Nobody ever lost money taking profits,'' said Lawrence Kreicher, chief
economist of Alliance Capital Management. He predicted interest rates on
bonds would end the year below current levels after rising in the first half.

The sell-off began in European trading, with key indexes falling from 2.4
percent in Frankfurt to nearly 5 percent in Amsterdam, where the market
suffered from weakness in Baan NV, the corporate software concern.

Earlier, Asian markets were mixed, with sharp gains in Indonesia, South
Korea, Taiwan and Thailand, but weakness in Hong Kong, whose large real
estate sector is sensitive to rising rates.

On Wall Street, the Nasdaq composite index, which gained more than 85 percent
last year, plunged 229.99 points, or 5.6 percent, to 3,901.16. That was the
biggest percentage decline in 18 months. The Dow Jones industrial average
dropped 3.16 percent, to 10,999.17.

As fears receded that the Y2K computer bug would cause economic disruptions,
investors' attention turned to speculation U.S. and European central banks
would push interest rates higher. The central banks made copious amounts of
cash available ahead of the New Year in case there had been computer problems
but are now reclaiming the money and are expected to push interest rates up
to combat inflationary pressures.

Inflation has yet to show up in significant price increases for consumer
goods and services, but stock prices had good runs in several markets last
year, with significant gains in the past two months. There is a feeling
equities have gotten ''ahead of themselves,'' as Eddie George, the governor
of the Bank of England, said. He reminded investors that stock speculation is
''a risk.''

''We've been looking at the strength of the U.S. stock market for three years
now,'' Mr. George said in a radio interview, ''and the possibility that there
will be a sharp break.''
In the past three years, the Dow has risen by about 80 percent while the
Nasdaq index, driven by technology stocks, has more than tripled.

During that period, the U.S. economy grew at a relatively fast clip of about
4 percent a year, about twice as fast as many economists had thought it
could. The Federal Reserve Board cut interest rates three times in 1998 to
counteract economic weakness.

Last year, the Fed recouped those cuts, but that merely brought its target
for overnight loans among commercial banks back to the 5.5 percent rate where
it had been. Now, with growth picking up in Europe and Asia, the outlook is
for further increases.

''We really have a situation here with the equities where people are
understandably concerned about what might be going on with interest rates,''
said Mr. Kreicher.

With the Fed pushing up short-term rates, he said the long-term Treasury bond
yield could rise to 7 percent in the coming months. By the end of the year,
however, he predicted the 30-year bond would return just 6.25 percent.

The yield actually on fell Tuesday, to 6.53 percent from 6.62 percent on
Monday, benefiting in part from money flowing out of stocks.

Some of the enthusiasm in the bond market was linked to the reappointment of
Alan Greenspan as the Fed chairman, according to David Kidwell, dean of the
Carlson School of Management at the University of Minnesota.

He credited the investments in technology by U.S. companies this decade for
the good performance of the economy. Mr. Kreicher concurred and said the
investments in computers and communications would increase productivity,
setting the stage for rising stock prices and lower bond yields later this
year.

On Tuesday, however, fears of impending rate increases weighed on financial
stocks for a second day, and Citigroup, J.P. Morgan and American Express were
among the leading losers in the Dow industrials. Unlike Monday, technology
stocks did not buck the trend, and Hewlett-Packard was the biggest drag on
the Dow, while such 1999 stars as Dell, Qualcomm and Oracle drove down the
Nasdaq.

International Herald Tribune, Jan. 5, 2000


The Second Coming


Save Us, Oh Blessed Greenspan!


How merciful are thy monetary policies!

WASHINGTON - President Bill Clinton on Tuesday nominated Alan Greenspan to
serve a fourth term as chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, saying that his
leadership had ''inspired confidence not only here in America but all around
the world.''

The move signaled continuity on the path of strong and steady economic growth
and also helped remove the Fed chairmanship from the political arena in a

[CTRL] The Manifesto of January 3, 200

2000-01-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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Viridian Note 124 : The Manifesto of January 3, 2000


Bruce Sterling
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http://www.well.com/conf/mirrorshades/

IDEOLOGICAL FREEWARE: DISTRIBUTE AT WILL

The Manifesto of January 3, 2000



In 1914, the lamps went out all over Europe.
Life during the rest of the twentieth century was
like crouching under a rock.

But human life is not required to be like the
twentieth century. That wasn´t fate, it was merely
a historical circumstance. In this new Belle Epoque,
this delightful era, we are experiencing a prolonged break
in the last century´s even tenor of mayhem. The time has
come to step out of those shadows into a different
cultural reality.

We need a sense of revived possibility, of genuine
creative potential, of unfeigned joie de vivre. We have a
new economy, but we have no new intelligentsia. We have
massive flows of information and capital, but we have a
grave scarcity of meaning. We know what we can buy, but
we don´t know what we want.

The twentieth century featured any number of -isms.
They were fatally based on the delusion that philosophy
trumps engineering. It doesn´t. In a world fully
competent to command its material basis, ideology is
inherently flimsy. "Technology" in its broad sense:
the ability to transform resources, the speed at which new
possibilities can be opened and exploited, the multiple
and various forms of command-and-control -- technology,
not ideology, is the twentieth century´s lasting legacy.
Technology broke the gridlock of the five-decade Cold War.
It made a new era thinkable. And, finally, technology
made a new era obvious.

But too many twentieth-century technologies
are very like twentieth-century ideologies: rigid,
monolithic, poisonous and non-sustainable.

We need clean, supple, healthy means of support for
a crowded world. We need recyclable technologies,
industries that don´t take themselves with that
Stalinesque seriousness that demands the brutal sacrifice
of millions. In order to make flimsy, supple technologies
thinkable, and then achievable, then finally obvious, we
need an ideology that embraces its own obsolescence.

The immediate future won´t be a period suitable for
building monuments, establishing thousand-year regimes,
creating new-model citizens, or asserting leaden
certainties about anything whatsoever. The immediate
future is about picking and choosing among previously
unforeseen technical potentials.

Our time calls for intelligent fads. Our time calls
for a self-aware, highly temporary array of broad social
experiments, whose effects are localized, non-lethal and
reversible -- yet transparent, and visible to all parties
who might be persuaded to look.

The Internet is the natural test-bed for this
fast-moving, fast-vanishing, start-up society. Because
the native technology of the coming years is not the 19th
century "machine" or the 20th century "product." It is
the 21st century "gizmo."

A gizmo is a device with so many features and so
many promises that it can never be mastered within its
own useful lifetime. A gizmo is flimsy, cheap, colorful,
friendly, intriguing, easily disposable, and unlikely to
harm the user. The gizmo´s purpose is not to
efficiently perform some function or effectively provide
some service. A gizmo exists to snag the user´s
attention, and to engage the user in a vast
unfolding nexus of interlinked experience.

The gizmo in its manifold aspects is the beau ideal
for contemporary design and engineering. Because that is
what our culture will be like, at its heart, in its bones,
in its organs. A gizmo culture. We will go in so many
directions at once that most of them will never see
fulfillment. And then they will be gone.

This is confusing and seems lacking in moral
seriousness -- but only only by the rigid standards of
the past century, bitterly obsessed with ultimate
efficiencies and malignant final solutions. We need
opportunities now, not efficiencies. We need inspired
improvisation, not solutions. Technology can no longer
bind us in a vast tonnage of iron, barbed wire and brick.
We will stop heaving balky machines uphill. Instead, we
begin judging entire techno-complexes as they virtually
unfold, judging them by standards that are, in some very
basic sense, aesthetic.

Henceforth, it is humans and human flesh that lasts
out the years, not the mechanical infrastructure. Our
bodies outlast our machines, and our bodies outlast our
beliefs. People will outlive this "revolution" -- if
spared an apocalypse, human individuals will 

[CTRL] [OPF]Ramsey Electronics - the absurdity of the federal government

2000-01-05 Thread lloyd

 -Caveat Lector-

..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From: Gary Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: OutPostofFreedom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [OPF]Ramsey Electronics - the absurdity of the federal government
Date: Sunday, January 02, 2000 9:32 PM

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

High powered model rocketry is also getting the same sort of
treatment from the BATF as anything associated with the
militias.


Source: CyberSKIP Digest
Posted on 12/30/1999

OUTRAGE RAMSEY ELECTRONICS RAIDED
BY
US CUSTOMS STORM TROOPERS

It only took 25 years but finally the feds caught on. Ramsey
Electronics, previously thought to be a company that sold
educational electronic kits to hobbyists, school children,
and amateur  radio  experimenters, was stormed by seven
armed US Customs agents armed with a warrant accusing them
of selling devices that MIGHT be in violation of US Code
Title 18, Section 2512. For the laymen, that means that the
stuff they sold to thousands of boy scouts, schools and
hobbyists all these years was determined by them to be
"primarily designed for surreptitious use", presumably by
international espionage organizations and terrorist groups.

Especially of interest to the brown shirts were the FM-1
wireless microphone kits that are priced at $5.95. One might
assume these sophisticated "high-tech" wireless bugs are the
type that would interest the likes of Osama bin Laden, the
multi-millionaire terrorist who currently resides in
Afghanistan. Also the Canadian/United States border crossing
(one of the heaviest traveled in US) is only 7 miles from
Buffalo and 75 miles from Victor NY, the home of Ramsey
Electronics. Several suspected terrorists have been nabbed
at various border crossings recently so one could assume
that the terrorists that are spilling over the border are
probably making a beeline to Ramsey Electronics to stock up
on the latest in spy devices - at a price even the most
cash-strapped terrorist could afford. Rumors have it that
bin Laden is a little slow paying up on the expense
accounts.

All humor aside, this is a serious matter in which John
Ramsey and his company could face serious Federal charges
and prison time. Most surely, the prospect of bankruptcy
looms in his mind since he faces outrageous legal bills to
defend his good name in the face of the Justice Department
and its unlimited resources.

The raid commenced on November 10, 1999 at 10:00 AM when 7
armed US Customs agents in three vehicles accompanied by 3
New York State Troopers arrived at the Ramsey business. It's
curious that they thought they needed a small army to storm
the Ramsey business that resides quite openly and freely
accessible in an office park. Everyone and anyone visits the
storefront daily; from young children to adults. As John
Ramsey says, "it's not like we're in a dingy basement in the
inner city surrounded by hit-men and drug labs."

Ramsey told CyberSKIP that two of the agents were recognized
by a technician as having visited the showroom the previous
week ostensibly as customers. They had asked him if some of
the devices could be used to bug offices. They tried to
persuade the tech to assure them that some of the products
could  specifically be used for bugging offices and asked if
he could tell them how to, "increase the power to go
farther." The technician correctly told them that all of the
products were for hobbyists. He told them, "If you want
something like that, you're in the wrong place." Although
the writer is not an authority in the fine points of law,
this smacks of entrapment.

After casing the business, the two agents returned to
Buffalo, a 75 mile, 1-1/2 hour trip, apparently armed with
sufficient evidence with which to obtain a warrant for the
raid.

A week later the raid was executed. Somewhat out of
character, the agents stormed the building but without the
normally requisite ski masks, blazing weapons and flash bang
grenades. They ordered Ramsey to his office and ordered him
to "stay there and don't move." The agents said, "If you
don't cooperate, we can tie you up forever".

He was ordered sit down then they told him that if he didn't
cooperate, "we'll shut down your business, send everyone
home and we'll bring in computer experts to dissect your
computers bit by bit and we don't care if it takes months."

It was then that the agents revealed what they came for; the
wireless mikes.

Ramsey said, "Why didn't you just call me and tell me to
stop selling the products in question? We would have stopped
selling them immediately if you simply would have asked.
That sure would have saved all of us a lot of time, effort
and taxpayers money - we'd even pay for the call on the 800
number!"

Obviously the agents were in no mood for reasoned dialog.
They spread out, searching and seizing all the
"surreptitious" devices they could find. In the meantime,
another agent was busy with an extensive photo 

Re: [CTRL] Harrison Stabbing And Masonic Symbolism

2000-01-05 Thread Tenorlove

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Are NewsHawk and Kansan1225 the same person? The title had me fooled
there for a moment! hee hee hee
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[CTRL] FW: More national media on Whole Foods Wild Oats actions

2000-01-05 Thread Dave

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Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 10:10 PM
Subject: More national media on Whole Foods  Wild Oats actions

Broadcast News From The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods
--

Dear Health Freedom Fighters,

Last Thursday The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods posted an
article from Bloomberg news service titled "Whole Foods, Wild Oats to Ban
Gene-Altered Foods." Note: This article is archived at:
http://www.thecampaign.org/newsupdates/decemberz.htm#Whole

As often happens in the press, several other media sources have picked up
on this important story gathering more national headlines.

On Tuesday, CBS Evening News with Dan Rather featured an excellent segment
about "Gene-Altered Food" that reported on Whole Foods Market and Wild Oats
Markets decision to remove genetically engineered ingredients from their
private label brands. Posted below is a summary article from the CBS news
web site titled "The Fear Over Frankenfood." If you have a video player on
your computer, you can view the actual segment that ran on the CBS Evening
News at:
http://www.cbs.com/now/story/0,1597,146123-311,00.shtml
(Click on the "Video" button on the right of the page. We are not sure how
long this link will remain active.)

Also on Tuesday, the popular national newspaper USA Today had a front page
article titled "Retailers dropping bio-foods." The article is posted below
or you can read it from the USA Today web site at:
http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/2104/1812168s.htm

National Public Radio also picked up on the story. On the program All Things
Considered, Margaret Wittenberg, Vice President of Governmental and Public
Affairs for Whole Foods Markets, was interviewed. You can listen to that
segment if you have an audio player on your computer by going to the
following web page:
http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=1%2F4%2F2000PrgID=2
(Note: Click on the link that says "Biotech Foods." If the link above gets
broken in two, you will need to paste it into the one long address to be
able to pull up the web page.)

This national publicity is great news because the majority of Americans
still do not know their foods are genetically engineered. The CBS Evening
News segment, the USA Today front page story, and the NPR All Things
Considered interview provided excellent exposure to millions of people about
the growing controversy over these experimental foods.

Please remember to visit The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods'
web site for form letters to send to Congress, our extensive News Archives,
our Educational Information section, and much more. Plus, we will adding
some great new sections in the near future. Stay tuned at:
http://www.thecampaign.org

Craig Winters
Executive Director
The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods

The Campaign
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Seattle, WA 98155
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Mission Statement: "To create a national grassroots consumer campaign for
the purpose of lobbying Congress and the President to pass legislation that
will require the labeling of genetically engineered foods in the United
States."

**

CBS News

The Fear Over 'Frankenfood'

NEW YORK
Tuesday, January 04,2000 - 08:13 PM ET

(CBS) At the dawn of this new century it's estimated that up to 70-percent
of all food on grocery store shelves is genetically modified: it's DNA has
been altered to improve flavor and durability. The technology is booming,
but CBS News Correspondent Elizabeth Kaledin reports, some retailers are
saying enough is enough.

"If you need to get a point across sometimes you need to raise your voice,"
says Jim Lee, CEO Wild Oats Markets.

The nation's two largest natural food chains want the FDA to clearly label
any food that has been genetically modified. The goal is so such foods can
be kept out of all health food store products, keeping them natural and
untouched by chemicals or technology.

"People have the right to know and we need to understand the long term
impact of these type of products," says Lee.

It's a small scale protest sparked by the moral outrage of health conscious
consumers, but it's the first of it's kind among American retailers who are
just beginning to respond to growing fears about genetically modified foods.

In Europe crops have been torn up and thousands of stores have banned the
so-called "Frankenfoods".

But Gene Grabowski of the Grocery Manufacturers of America, a group that
supports the technology, says such a scenario is unlikely in America.
"There's a word for stores that don't carry food with bio tech ingredients
and that word is empty. They would not have consumers 

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: New Year's Sex Party At White House]

2000-01-05 Thread Tenorlove

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DANG!!

I went to the wrong party!
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Re: [CTRL] Little brother

2000-01-05 Thread Tenorlove

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First of all, if you're looking at Playboy or whatever on your boss'
computer, you deserve to get in trouble--unless you're a critic and
your JOB is to read Playboy..

Second, this software does have one benefit not mentioned in the
article--it can be a helpful tool for parents who, for whatever reason,
are not as vigilant as I am. My kids' computer does not have a modem,
and mine is off-limits to them unless I AM RIGHT THERE! Of course, this
is not only to protect THEM from material they are not old enough to
handle, but also to protect my system from meddling hands. Have YOUR 6
year old delete AUTO.EXEC.BAT and see what happens!...shudders
with the memory--he did this with his old Win 3.1 puter.
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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: New Year's Sex Party At White House]

2000-01-05 Thread sno0wl

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On 5 Jan 00, at 1:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 During what one White House aide called the "first-ever disco" at 1600
 Pennsylvania Avenue, the agent says he interrupted sex acts taking
 place in a White House bathroom off the Rose Garden.

 "I know it was New Year's Eve, and I know that everyone was
 celebrating and drinking, but I was completely shocked," said the
 agent late Sunday. "Three people were together having sex when I
 walked in on them."

In a BATHROOM!!! You mean you can't even go to the bathroom in
privacy at the White House? Now I wonder if those bathrooms have
peepholes and surveillance cameras in themlike they do in
those cheap motels.

Well, be warned. You don't want to be caught having to go to the
bathroom if you ever get to go to the White Househaving sex or
no

Think it was Liz Taylor reliving her turbulent Richard Burton years?
Or Jack Nicholsen just being his wild old self?
sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] reptile countermeasures

2000-01-05 Thread sno0wl

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On 5 Jan 00, at 9:52, Andrew Hennessey wrote:
 Looking at lessons from history we see the shapeshifters, faeries and
 elementals - ie. other worldly creatures fear of iron. anecdotal
 evidence of the philadelphia experiment tells us that some crew after
 they came back from wherever - touched a ships magnetic compass and
 burst into flame. Iron earths and dissipates the self contained
 reservoir of energies within these beings somewhat like a lightning
 conductor. Magnetised iron is going to be even more effective at that.

 Firstly - the reptiles have a control over matter which may be harmed
 more by magnetic iron grapeshot or shrapnel or a good styled round.
 Having magnetic iron amongst their unworldly constitution is probably
 going to do more lasting damage than a lead round.

 Secondly - these guys don't just growl like a bear - they use a form
 of psionic mind control - which could well ensure that their victim
 didn't get a second round off - so I would recommend coating the
 magnetic iron round/shrapnel in some hallucinogenic eg. lsd which I
 would hope - would interfere with their will power long enough for the
 defendent to reposition.

Sounds wonderfully inventive and probably effective to me.
sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] JESUS WAS JEWISH ?

2000-01-05 Thread pennie hammons

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] JESUS WAS JEWISH ?
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:40:31 -0500

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pennie hammons wrote:
 
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It was Jesus Barabbas who was the political
insurrectionist whom Pilate released to the people instead of Jesus
the
Christ. The Jews at that time chose a leader who was opposed to
Roman
  rule
and willing to rise up against them, rather than the peaceableness
of
Christ's nature.
  
  I know which books you've been reading. Try some that are historical
for
  a change.
  
  Joshua2
 
  Hello! That's out of the Bible. And I'm pretty sure you could consider
it
  historical...Pennie

Hello! Hello! NO ONE claims that the Bible is historical. The question is,
how much of what is in the Bible is historical and how much is religious
fiction. You also need to separate the OT from the NT when talking about
the Bible because as historians and archaeologists of all stripes make more
discoveries in and around the Middle East, the veracity of the OT is going
up, while the veracity of the NT is going down. That is kind of interesting
considering that verifying the historicity of the original Bible should be
more difficult since it's stories are ( traditionally ) 2000 years older.
On
the other hand, you would think that the stories in the New Testament would
be much more easily verifiable considering that the stories occurred fairly
recently, and within and beside other cultures' written histories such as
Roman, Jewish, Copt, Arab, etc. etc.

I'm not talking about the theological or supernatural content of both
Bibles.
I'm talking about things like finding places that ceased to exist since
biblical times, or writings of other cultures which corroborate historical
figures, or descriptions of natural events which left their marks in the
earth.

I don't envy religionists at this point in time. It could happen at any
moment.
Some discovery will be made which will put some people's favorite mythology
to rest. I see this as a good thing.

Joshua2

J2, I claim that the Bible is history; OT and NT. They go together perfectly
and you can't really understand one without the other. If you can't believe
the entire Bible is true, you will never understand the multiple layers of
it. Try looking at it with a new eye, huh? I understand that you are Jewish
and don't take the NT as true, but I know that it is. I read the Hebrew OT
as well as the Greek NT, and believe me, they do go together. Pennie
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[CTRL] Noah's Ark

2000-01-05 Thread KDS
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NOAH VS. "CITY HALL"
And the Lord spoke
to Noah and said, "In one year, I
am
going to make it
rain and cover the whole earth with
water
until all flesh is
destroyed. But I want you to save
the
righteous people
and two of every kind of living
thing on the
earth. Therefore,
I am commanding you to build an
Ark."
In a flash of lightening,
God delivered the
specifications for
an Ark. In fear and
trembling, Noah took the plans
and
agreed to build the
Ark.
"Now, remember," said
the Lord, "You must complete
the
Ark and bring everything
aboard in one year."
Exactly one year later,
fierce storm clouds covered
the earth
and all the seas
of the earth went into a tumult.
The Lord looked
down and saw Noah
sitting in his front yard,
weeping.
"Noah," God shouted
down, "where is the Ark?"
"Oh, Lord, please
forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my
best,
but there were big
problems. First, I had to get a
permit for
construction, and
your plans did not comply with the
codes.
So I had to hire
an engineering firm and redraw the
plans.
Then I got into a
fight with OSHA over whether or
not the
Ark needed a fire
sprinkler system and flotation
devices.
Then my neighbor objected,
claiming I was violating
zoning
ordinances by building
the Ark in my front yard; so
I had to
get a variance from
the city planning commission. I
had
problems getting
enough wood for the Ark, because
there
was a ban on cutting
trees to protect the Spotted
Owl. I
finally convinced
the U.S. Forest Service that I
needed the
wood to save the
owls. However, the Fish and
Wildlife
Service won't let
me catch any owls. So, no owls.
"The carpenters formed
a union and went out on
strike. I had
to negotiate a settlement
with National Labor. Now I
have
16 carpenters on
the Ark, but still no owls. When I
started
rounding up the other
animals, I got sued by an
animal rights
group. They objected
to me taking only two of each
kind
aboard.
"Just when I got that
suit dismissed, the EPA
notified me that
I could not complete
the Ark without filing an
environmental
impact statement
on your proposed flood. They didn't
take
very kindly to the
idea that they had no
jurisdiction over
the
conduct of the Creator
of the universe. Then the
Army
Engineers demanded
a map of the proposed new flood
plain. I sent them
a globe. That's right, isn't it?
"Right now, I am trying
to resolve a complaint filed
with the
Equal Employment
Opportunity Commission that I am
practicing discrimination
by not taking terrible,
godless
blasphemers aboard!
"The IRS has seized
my assets, claiming that I'm
building the
Ark in preparation
to fleeing the country to avoid
paying taxes.
I just got a notice
from the state that I owe them
some kind of
user tax and failed
to register the Ark as a
‘recreational water
craft.' Finally,
the ACLU got the courts to issue an
injunction against
further construction of the Ark,
saying that
since God is flooding
the earth, it is a religious
event and
therefore unconstitutional.
"I really don't think
I can finish the Ark for
another 5 or 6
years, at least!"
wailed Noah.
The sky began to clear,
the sun began to shine, and
the seas
began to calm. A
rainbow arched across the sky. Noah
looked up hopefully.
"You mean you are
not going to destroy the earth,
Lord?"
"No," said the Lord
sadly. "It's too late. The
government
already has."




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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] Clinton to join Vernon Jordan investment firm...

2000-01-05 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 01/05/2000 10:48:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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 of $8 million with $2 million in possible bonuses and he'd
 join
 his friend Vernon Jordan who became senior managing
 director at
 Lazard Freres in January and may have helped arrange a post
 for
 Clinton, the magazine said. In 1997, Clinton sidestepped
 Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's choice for
 ambassador to
 France and named instead Lazard's managing director Felix
 Rohatyn, a top supporter of Democratic causes and of
 Clinton, the
 magazine noted. 

This makes me very happy.  I wouldn't appoint Madeleine Albright as dog
catcher, but Lazard is a very good firm, and Felix Rohatyn is a wonderful
person.Prudy

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[CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

2000-01-05 Thread lloyd

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..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From: publish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
Date: Sunday, January 02, 2000 9:32 PM


Americans are already beginning to examine their Y2K stores.
What will become of the new DC generator stored in the garage, the
porta-potty, the water purifier and the freeze-dried beef and canned wheat?
A few who feared Y2K may have bought a remote cabin retreat with a garden
plot, or left good jobs to avoid expected inter city ethnic catastrophe.
We wish them well, they are not the first.

For most, Y2K will simply be a memory and a useful dry run in
self-preparedness.  The biggest beneficiaries will be those who sold stuff
and bad advice.  The most surprised people may be retailers with a
no-questions-asked return policy, for it is likely their parking lots and
return lines will be very busy indeed.  There may actually be a serious Y2K
retail backlash from reverse sales when stuff gets returned and the family
decides to eat up the stored spam and canned stew, however reluctantly,
reducing their shopping needs for a few months.

I have seen no polls on the matter, but without a doubt many of those most
affected were influenced by Celebrity Christians, who were most susceptible
to the apocalypse epidemic.  The Y2K ripoff is part of a more damaging
fleecing that has been perpetrated upon the Christians for three
generations.  It is part of the great "end times" hoax that is far more
enduring and destructive than its adopted Y2K stepchild.

The doomsday cult was hatched in the 1830's in England in the person of
John Nelson Darby, the inventor of the British Israel movement.  Before
Darby's revelations believers in Christ's deity generally thought the "end
time" ended when Jesus was murdered by the Pharisees and raised by God.
(Jesus told his Disciples they were living in the last days)  Jesus taught
his followers that they lived in the times of responsibility, that come to
be known as the church age, a period of sober discipleship when it was the
responsibility of the Christian to carry out the "great commission"-- to
evangelize the unsaved world.  And they did.

The rapture cultists, many of whom write books, have built their
theological empires (and in some cases vast fortunes) by convincing us that
Jesus was speaking directly to us, not his Disciples, when he talked about
about the last days.  And what better time for an apocalypse, the Rapturist
reasons, than when the world is celebrating the Year 2000.  God
could hardly pick a more symbolic moment to punish the wicked and reward
the righteous.

The idea that God practices numerology, and that the Year 2000 means
something special to Him is of course quite unchristian.*  Numerology games
were not played by Jesus, nor practiced among the Disciples.  This is more
a part of the pagan religions of the non-bible people, including the
Babylonians who taught it to the Pharisees of Jesus' time.  Jesus and the
Disciples denounced the scribes and Pharisees who followed the
superstitions of these ancestors.

"Last days" theology effectively ended an era of Christian growth.  For
many, the notion that Christians should be of preparing for a "tribulation"
has replaced the responsibility of evangelizing one's neighbors.  Every
war, famine, earthquake and evil act of man is viewed as another sign of
that the "end times" have arrived.  It has throttled the idea of
self-sacrificing discipleship that once fired Christians to compass the
world for Christ.  In its place we have been influenced to accept a
fatalistic view of our neighbors and leave it to God to take care of the
unsaved after Gods people depart.  For who will set a Christian example
 for those left behind in the chaos of the "tribulation"?  No one!  In vivid
contrast, Jesus' plan called the righteous to teach by witness and example,
thus bringing the plan of salvation to the ungodly, even unto death.

Y2K appealed to the apocalyptic spirit of most Celebrity Christians who saw
an opportunity for God to do something really big during an impending
mini-catastrophe.  Most Celebrity Christians helped God along with his
planning, un-bothered by Jesus' words that warn not to do so. They loved Y2K
because it fit the Darby pattern, and it sold rapture books as never before.

Many frauds have been perpetrated upon the American people in the 20th
century by government.  But not so with the Y2K hype which bureaucrats
played down for their own selfish reasons.  All kinds of people, including
churchmen, are honest believers in the chaos to come and shared with their
friends out of good will.  Some few promoted Y2K opportunistically for
personal gain and should not be allowed to forget it.  Others simply went
along with those they considered to be technical authorities, and so the
mania became an epidemic.  Y2K will soon slip into history as 

[CTRL] Noah's Ark - Revisited

2000-01-05 Thread True Patriot

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NOAH VS. "PATRIOTS"
And the Lord spoke to Noah and said, "In one year, I am going to make it
rain and cover the whole earth with water until all flesh is destroyed. But
I want you to save the righteous people and two of
every kind of living thing on the earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to
build an Ark." In a flash of lightening, God delivered the specifications
for an Ark. In fear and trembling, Noah took the plans
and agreed to build the Ark. "Now, remember," said the Lord, "You must
complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year." Exactly one year
later, fierce storm clouds covered the earth and
all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord looked down and saw
Noah lying in his front yard, bleeding. "Noah," God shouted down, "where is
the Ark?" "Oh, Lord, please forgive me!" cried
Noah. "I did my best, but there were big problems. First, I was attacked by
some Aryan Nationers, since I am from the Middle East and now of pure Aryan
blood. Then I got into a fight with some
skin heads and “Christian Identity” people who attacked me for not believing
in Jesus (who is that guy anyway?) and for being a member of the ZOG. Then
my neighbor objected, claiming I was
building a landing pad for the UN black helicopters he saw buzzing around
violating his “sovereign air space”; so I had to convince him I was not an
NWO operative. I had problems getting enough
wood or anything for the Ark, after I was indicted by a “common law court”
and the local stores were told “don’t sell to the indicted Jew”. When I told
them I wanted to build the ark, and that God
had told me to save all the righteous people. They didn't take very kindly
to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of
the universe since they assume their version of God
is the valid one and that their “sovereign citizen” jurisdiction was the
valid one. They assumed ARK was some government plant to ship them off to
concentration camps and that I was suggesting some
sort of One World Religion as part of a One World Government as part of a
New World Order. That got a lien put on the ark by the “common law court”
and they ran in here and grabbed all by tools
to “remittance of the lien”. Finally the local “militia” drove a Ryder truck
full of explosives up to the ark and detonated it, killing a lot of my
neighbors and leaving me this bleeding mess.
"I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years, at
least!" wailed Noah. The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine, and the
seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky.
Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the earth,
Lord?" "No," said the Lord sadly. "It's too late. The “patriots” already
have."

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Re: [CTRL] Noah's Ark - Revisited

2000-01-05 Thread KDS

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whatever, mine was funnier...besides, your opinions are definitely getting
redundant..believe me we all know where you stand mr. true
patriot..get some new material, why don't you.
yadayadayada
ks

True Patriot wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 NOAH VS. "PATRIOTS"
 And the Lord spoke to Noah and said, "In one year, I am going to make it
 rain and cover the whole earth with water until all flesh is destroyed. But
 I want you to save the righteous people and two of
 every kind of living thing on the earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to
 build an Ark." In a flash of lightening, God delivered the specifications
 for an Ark. In fear and trembling, Noah took the plans
 and agreed to build the Ark. "Now, remember," said the Lord, "You must
 complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year." Exactly one year
 later, fierce storm clouds covered the earth and
 all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord looked down and saw
 Noah lying in his front yard, bleeding. "Noah," God shouted down, "where is
 the Ark?" "Oh, Lord, please forgive me!" cried
 Noah. "I did my best, but there were big problems. First, I was attacked by
 some Aryan Nationers, since I am from the Middle East and now of pure Aryan
 blood. Then I got into a fight with some
 skin heads and “Christian Identity” people who attacked me for not believing
 in Jesus (who is that guy anyway?) and for being a member of the ZOG. Then
 my neighbor objected, claiming I was
 building a landing pad for the UN black helicopters he saw buzzing around
 violating his “sovereign air space”; so I had to convince him I was not an
 NWO operative. I had problems getting enough
 wood or anything for the Ark, after I was indicted by a “common law court”
 and the local stores were told “don’t sell to the indicted Jew”. When I told
 them I wanted to build the ark, and that God
 had told me to save all the righteous people. They didn't take very kindly
 to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of
 the universe since they assume their version of God
 is the valid one and that their “sovereign citizen” jurisdiction was the
 valid one. They assumed ARK was some government plant to ship them off to
 concentration camps and that I was suggesting some
 sort of One World Religion as part of a One World Government as part of a
 New World Order. That got a lien put on the ark by the “common law court”
 and they ran in here and grabbed all by tools
 to “remittance of the lien”. Finally the local “militia” drove a Ryder truck
 full of explosives up to the ark and detonated it, killing a lot of my
 neighbors and leaving me this bleeding mess.
 "I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years, at
 least!" wailed Noah. The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine, and the
 seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky.
 Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the earth,
 Lord?" "No," said the Lord sadly. "It's too late. The “patriots” already
 have."

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

2000-01-05 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 01/05/2000 3:15:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Americans are already beginning to examine their Y2K stores.
 What will become of the new DC generator stored in the garage, the
 porta-potty, the water purifier and the freeze-dried beef and canned wheat?
 A few who feared Y2K may have bought a remote cabin retreat with a garden
 plot, or left good jobs to avoid expected inter city ethnic catastrophe.
 We wish them well, they are not the first.

 For most, Y2K will simply be a memory and a useful dry run in
 self-preparedness.  The biggest beneficiaries will be those who sold stuff
 and bad advice.  The most surprised people may be retailers with a
 no-questions-asked return policy, for it is likely their parking lots and
 return lines will be very busy indeed.  There may actually be a serious Y2K
 retail backlash from reverse sales when stuff gets returned and the family
 decides to eat up the stored spam and canned stew, however reluctantly,
 reducing their shopping needs for a few months. 

What's the big deal?  I used to live in Utah, and most devout LDS folks have
a one to two year supply of food stores and the means to live without all mod
cons.  It was one of the most admirable things about them.  It took a lot of
careful study, strict economy and planning to achieve this.  It might be a
good thing for everyone who has a family to consider keeping this particular
custom.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Check out Urban Legends Reference Pages: Horrors (KFC)

2000-01-05 Thread earthman

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Thanks Robin, mind you, I would rather be naive than ignorant..

Peter

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Subject: [CTRL] Check out Urban Legends Reference Pages: Horrors (KFC)


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  A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/horrors/food/kfc.htm"Click here: Urban
 Legends Reference Pages: Horrors (KFC)/A

 I guarantee you, the above link will instruct a lot of you out there about
 how naive you really have been - I thought I'd share the link with you and
 have you read for yourself all about this urban legend.

 What some people won't fall for.

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[CTRL] AF News 6 Jan 00

2000-01-05 Thread Bill Richer

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11.  BAH rates for 2000 released

WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- Defense Department officials recently announced new
Basic Allowance for Housing rates, which took effect Jan. 1 and apply to all
military services.

"The good news is the rates for people living in high-cost areas are
increasing," said Maj. Justo Rivera, chief of Air Force Pay and Allowance
Policy.  "On the other hand, over half of our Air Force installations are
located in areas with lower housing costs and, over time, newly assigned
people there will receive lower BAH rates.  However, the lower rates will
not apply to those who are currently living in these areas, as they are
"rate protected."

Under this "protection," if BAH rates decrease, members' current allowances
remain unchanged; if the housing allowances increase, members will receive
the higher amount.

"The lowered rates will only affect members who arrived at their new
assignment after Dec. 31, 1999, since the BAH legislation includes a "rate
protection" provision to protect currently assigned members from fluctuating
local housing costs," Rivera said.

He said a significant feature of the new BAH program is, regardless of where
airmen are assigned, out-of-pocket expenses are equalized for every grade.
No matter where in the country people move, they'll have the same
out-of-pocket dollar amount within each grade and dependency status.

In enacting DOD's housing allowance, Congress intended to pay for
approximately 85 percent of the national average housing cost for each
grade, with the member paying 15 percent "out-of-pocket."  BAH does not
cover all of service members' housing costs.  By law, service members should
pay no more than 15 percent of the national median housing cost
out-of-pocket.  In 1999, the out-of-pocket expenses were approximately 19.8
percent.

The new BAH program, which replaced the Variable Housing Allowance, is
intended to provide uniformed service members housing compensation based on
comparable civilian costs of housing.  BAH is based on rental costs by pay
grade, dependency status and location. It's designed as a partial
reimbursement to assist service members and their families in affording
suitable off-base housing.

According to Rivera, some key improvements of the housing allowance program
include a cost-based system that is more efficient and responsive to the
growing housing costs than the previous system.  The new BAH methodology
also ended the creeping growth in members' out-of-pocket expenses.  Another
change is the elimination of annual housing surveys and VHA offset.

"The VHA offset was a negative incentive since it authorized finance offices
to recoup a portion of the allowance when individuals did not use their full
housing allowance.  In addition, we got rid of the annual requirement to
provide a copy of the lease or rental agreement to the finance office,"
Rivera said.

"A key factor of the old and new housing allowance methodologies remains our
commitment to ensure that the typical service member of a given grade and
dependency status will not be penalized -- or rewarded -- for assignment to
a high or low housing cost area," he added.

"We will continue to take every reasonable step to ensure housing allowances
are accurate and equitable."

For specific BAH rates, service members can visit the Per Diem Committee Web
site at http://www.dtic.mil/perdiem/rateinfo.html.


12.  DOD stands down Y2K operations center

by Paul Stone
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- Characterizing the Y2K rollover period as "a remarkably
successful weekend," Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre announced Jan. 4
that DOD was standing down its Y2K operations center.

During a Pentagon briefing Hamre said the minor glitches that did occur,
combined with a normal start of the business week, makes it unnecessary to
continue a full-scale watch on the millennium bug.

"Everything worked fine.  We just had a small handful of problems," Hamre
said, crediting the "literally tens of thousands of people" involved in
making DOD's Y2K repairs during the past two years.

"We had no problems with any of our forces deployed anywhere," Hamre said.
"Every one of our commanders in chief reported that they were under positive
and affirmative control of their theater throughout the entire rollover
period."

Some of the minor glitches Hamre referred to included a "swipe card" not
allowing entry to a building, a cash register that did not function at a
facility in Okinawa, and some computers that did not automatically convert
to the year 2000 -- a problem that was solved simply by rebooting the
computers.  He said the glitches were no more significant than a local dry
cleaner not being able to get his or her computer working.

Except for a reconnaissance satellite, "nothing had any operational
implication," Hamre said.  As he had reported in previous briefings during

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] Clinton to join Vernon Jordaninvestmentfirm...

2000-01-05 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:

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 In a message dated 01/05/2000 10:48:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  of $8 million with $2 million in possible bonuses and he'd
  join
  his friend Vernon Jordan who became senior managing
  director at
  Lazard Freres in January and may have helped arrange a post
  for
  Clinton, the magazine said. In 1997, Clinton sidestepped
  Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's choice for
  ambassador to
  France and named instead Lazard's managing director Felix
  Rohatyn, a top supporter of Democratic causes and of
  Clinton, the
  magazine noted. 

 This makes me very happy.  I wouldn't appoint Madeleine Albright as dog
 catcher, but Lazard is a very good firm, and Felix Rohatyn is a wonderful
 person.Prudy

You should know better. This is the payoff. Wall St. is paying off its
performing dog. This is why there is no democracy in this country. This
is why we have the erosion of the nation state. This is why the leader of
a country can commit treason and get away with it. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Wonderful person indeed.

Joshua2

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[CTRL] VOICE OF THE GRUNT, 2000-01-05-B

2000-01-05 Thread Bill Richer

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VOICE OF THE GRUNT, 2000-01-05-B
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ARTICLE 3
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ARMY ACCIDENT RATE HIGHEST SINCE THE GULF WAR

This article appeared in the Dayton Daily News on 19 December 1999 and
addresses the crisis in Army Aviation.  Army Times picked up on the topic in
its 3 Jan 2000 issue under the title: "Leadership blamed for aviation
accidents."
--

NOTE:  Combat aviation in all the services is suffering readiness problems.
As a consequence, America's force projection capability is critically
weakened.  We like air war because it promises a "good war" against faceless
enemies who we don't have to watch suffer and die, at minimum risk to us
(normally 1 aircraft/1-2 crewmembers exposed).  If we want to maintain our
air combat assets ready and able, we must invest in them appropriately.
Based on a realistic national strategy, we must buy the right equipment,
maintain it adequately, and allow our crews to train to the highest level of
proficiency. That means logging lots of training mission hours. To sustain
proficiency, the services must retain the crack operator/crews and the
support people it takes years to train. The McDonalds approach of hire and
fire while keeping wages low won't work with high tech weaponry.


By Russell Carollo

The U.S. Army's latest annual aviation accident rate is the highest,
excluding Desert Storm, in 17 years, and the Army's top safety official says
mistakes are being made at almost every level.

"Soldiers are dying and we are destroying costly equipment at a rate that is
unacceptable," Brig. Gen. Gene M. LaCoste wrote in a cover story in the
Army's December 1999 issue of its aviation safety magazine, Flightfax.

"Most of the accidents didn't happen at the time of impact or during the
crash sequence; they really occurred much earlier with a breakdown in
leadership, standards, or discipline."

 LaCoste, director of the Army Safety Center at Fort Rucker, Ala., said that
fiscal year 1999, which ended Sept. 30, "produced Army aviation's worst
safety performance since Desert Shield/Desert Storm."

Excluding Desert Storm, it was the worst since 1982, the article said. The
Army reported a major aviation accident an average of once every 20 days
during fiscal year 1999, which ended Sept. 30. Twenty people were killed, 10
aircraft were destroyed and damages exceeded $139 million.

The fatalities, the accident rate and the amount of damages all showed
increases. The Army reported 103 aviation accidents of Class C and above in
fiscal 1999, and its overall accident rate for Class A, B and C accidents was
11.28 per 100,000 flight hours. A Class C accident involves at least $10,000
in damage or an injury causing a specified amount of lost work time.

Army records show that from Oct. 1 to Dec. 16 of fiscal year 2000, the rate
for A, B, and C accidents was 11.19--more than 66 percent higher than the
rate during the same period last year.

So far this fiscal year, the Army has had three Class A accidents, involving
a death, permanent total disability, $1 million in damage or loss of an
aircraft. That's one more major accident than during the same period last
year.

The Army reported 18 Class A accidents in fiscal 1999, giving the service a
serious accident rate of 1.97 per 100,000 flight hours, up from 1.35 in
fiscal 1998. The Air Force Class A accident rate also increased, from 1.14
accidents per 100,000 flight hours in fiscal year 1998 to 1.40 in 1999-the
highest rate since 1995. The Navy/Marine Corps rate dropped to 1.44 from a
five-year high of 2.37 the year before.

LaCoste's comments follow a Dayton Daily News six-part series on military
aviation safety, published Oct. 24-29. The newspaper series, the result of an
18-month examination, found that the military routinely allows helicopters
and airplanes into the air that it knows are plagued with potentially deadly
safety problems--conditions, in some cases, allowed to persist for months,
years or even decades.

The series reported that the military's already flawed aviation safety system
recently has become further strained by massive downsizing and budget cuts,
the loss of thousands of experienced pilots and mechanics, global conflicts
and an aging fleet of aircraft. Thousands of the military's most skilled
mechanics have left the services since the end of the Cold War, the series
reported.

LaCoste attributed the Army's rising accident rate to some of these same
problems. "As an Army, we are involved in missions around the world and doing
a lot of things without the experience base we once enjoyed," LaCoste begins
his article. "The lack 

[CTRL] VOICE OF THE GRUNT, 2000-01-05-A

2000-01-05 Thread Bill Richer

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**   VOICE OF THE GRUNT
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** 05 January 2000  **


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TABLE OF CONTENTS   ARTICLES

Hack's Column:
"Phew, We made it Through!" 1
Z-"Flash":
Fix Blame, Ignore the Troops!   2

From The Field - Main Focus: The Aviation Crisis
Army Accident Rate Highest Since the Gulf War   3
The Troops Hold the Truth - Why isn't anyone Asking?4
Lack of Operational Experience - A Self-inflicted Wound 5
The Warrior Exodus Aviation Style   6
Air Force - Kuwait Fatal Crash Update   7

Medal of Honor: 8
Gordon, Gary I., Somalia 1993

G.I Humor:
Can't Beat Air Force Logic! 9

===
ARTICLE 1
~
"PHEW, WE MADE IT THROUGH"
~
BY DAVID H. HACKWORTH, 03 January 2000

Well, we're still here! No nuke plant meltdowns. No catastrophic power
stroke. No Chinese paratroopers raining from the sky. Russian missiles stayed
snug in their silos. Saddam Hussein and his big-bucks buddy, Osama bin Laden,
kept their bombs in their bags and their bugs in their bottles. And all our
toilets flushed.

The passing of the last day of the last year of this wild ride of a century
into the new millennium left me exhausted. My wife, Eilhys, and I hit the
rack at 9 p.m. after she indulged me by helping me run through my
end-of-the-world checklist one more time.

No way was I going to be part of more than a crowd of two on the day so many
experts were warning the sky might fall.

Popcorn and movies were it. We studied a double-feature matinee -- "On the
Beach" and "Dr. Strangelove" -- as if they were Army training films. That was
all we could squeeze in before putting the guard dogs through yet another
precautionary drill and barricading the fortress.

But for me sleep was fretful. I kept waking up every hour to see if our
canary was still alive, if the little red light was still shining "on" from
our television and to listen for the phone -- 10 radio and two TV stations
had me on standby to report in case any bad stuff hit the fan.

Not sure what I could've reported on had the Y2K terrors descended upon us,
as I'd have been out of commo. I guess if someone got through on the cell
phone, I could've riffed on how I love the smell of hot candle wax early in
the morning and why the backup generator won't be ready until the 7th. That
might've been good for two or three minutes.

The question now is what to do with 2,000 bottles of spring water, 20 cases
of tuna, 400 pounds of rice and beans, 10 cases of Army-ration MREs (Meals
Refused by Ethiopians), a few thousand rounds of shotgun ammo, a like number
of batteries and a half-garage of pink candles I got a deal on from a
bankrupt restaurant.

Eilhys, with her infinitely cheery disposition when things are most grim,
suggested I open a roadside stand in front of the house and flog the stuff at
a discount. She pointed out that once the generator was finally up and
running, fueled by my new butane gas tank, I'd be able to operate 24 hours a
day, good weather or bad. She kindly didn't mention that all was purchased
with most of the money we'd been saving to revisit our honeymoon place in
Fiesole, Italy.

I shot that idea down faster than Al Gore can say Tennessee. "Right! Except
that would take this town's planning commissions another millennium to
approve. First we'd have to get Larry-the-engineer to do a study analyzing
the impact on the environment. Then he'd have to run it by Wetlands and all
the other agencies, and 82 inspections, 20 grand and a couple years later,
they'd say no."

Returning the cash -- the rest of our savings -- to the bank won't be a
problem. That is, when I find it. I swear I buried the swag by the big rock
next to the oak tree in the back yard. Ten holes later, still no sign of the
tin cans. The dogs are no help either. They're so exhausted from the extra
motivational training, they've flat refused to double as sniffers to get me
out of a serious jam.

Eilhys doesn't buy my line that we're all victims of the past, in spite of a
most excellent excuse. After all, I had the five Ps -- Prior Planning
Prevents Poor Performance -- beaten into me by tough sergeants when I was a
kid. So whenever there's a threat, I've just got to get ready.

But all's not lost. I'm holding onto the 86 cases of whiskey just in case
Prohibition comes back. You can never tell. And in the event the wrong
Wunderkind presidential wannabe makes it to the White House, I'll have
something to numb what's left of my brain.

In the meantime, so far so good. But just in 

[CTRL] Idaho sues U.S. Forest Service

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Idaho sues U.S. Forest Service
Feds accused of railroading
lockup of 8 million acres

---

By Julie Foster
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

Fearing the federal government is trying to severely restrict the use of
eight million of its acres, the State of Idaho has sued the U.S. Forest
Service to stop the agency from ramming major policy changes down the state's
throat without giving officials there time to provide input.
After its Freedom of Information Act Request was ignored for nearly three
weeks -- the maximum time allotted for such requests is 10 days -- Idaho
filed suit demanding more information regarding the federal government's
"roadless protection plan," which proposes to set aside 50 million acres of
U.S. land to remain roadless, and about which states were given only 60 days
to comment.

"What we're asking of the federal government in this lawsuit is to open up
the process to provide a meaningful dialogue between the states that would
have to live with the effects of this proposal. Any significant relationship
between the states and the federal government demands nothing less," said
Idaho Governor Dirk Kempthorne.

Idaho Attorney General Al Lance calls the Forest Service's proposal
"completely unacceptable." Adding, "The project is moving so quickly that it
is impossible to provide meaningful comments," Lance is demanding a standard
extension of 120 days to allow for dissemination of information about the
proposal, so that Idahoans can have the chance to formulate their opinions of
the project.

Lance's frustration began in October when the Forest Service issued a notice
of intent to prepare an environmental impact statement that would lead to the
end of all multiple use of millions of acres of National Forest land around
the country. Approximately eight million of those acres are in Idaho.

The Forest Service limited the comment period on what President Clinton calls
"one of the largest land preservation efforts in American history" to just 60
days -- an unusually short amount of time, since most comment periods for
such government projects range from three to four months.

"This announcement was an abrupt departure from the Forest Service's previous
efforts to manage land in a collaborative manner with affected state and
local governments," Lance said. "Idaho was given no advance notice of the
October announcement and was provided no meaningful opportunity to respond."

The state's 17-page lawsuit declares that the 60-day comment period was
insufficient notice, that the information provided to states about the
roadless project was inadequate -- the state has not yet been told which
specific acreage will be affected by the project -- and requests an extension
to allow state government officials to formulate their response to the
project.

The Forest Service maintains a website intended to inform the public about
its roadless project, which, according to a spokesman for Lance, was still
under construction the day the comment period ended. The site says the
project will "restrict certain activities, such as road construction and
reconstruction in the unroaded portions of inventoried roadless areas."

The website also contains the following statement: "We propose to establish
procedures and criteria to be used by each forest to determine what
activities are consistent with the important values associated with roadless
areas of all sizes -- inventoried or not -- that maintain or enhance social
or ecological attributes."

According to the Forest Service, "[Americans] do not have the resources to
take care of our existing 380,000-mile road system. For example, we receive
only about 20% of the funding needed to fully maintain roads. The backlog of
road reconstruction and maintenance work is about $8.4 billion. Many have
questioned if we should build new roads into pristine roadless areas if we
can't take care of the road system that already exists.

"Building new roads into roadless areas to more easily manage the resources,
for example, to thin overstocked stands of trees, is expensive," says the
site. "Costs include environmental and engineering analysis as well as the
costs of dealing with the controversy including appeals, lawsuits. In
addition, roads may contribute to resource degradation. We believe that we
should be investing our limited time and resources into projects that have
broader support, are less costly, and have fewer environmental impacts than
building new roads in roadless areas."

Critics, however, believe the project will leave forests neglected.

"The Roadless Areas Policy threatens the health and safety of our National
Forests by denying access, not only for recreationists, but more importantly
for resource management and firefighting," said Trudy Thomas, veteran
political commentator and affiliate of Paul-Revere.org.


[CTRL] Secret Societies

2000-01-05 Thread pmeares

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from:
Secret Societies
http://www.freedomdomain.com/secretso.htm

 Secret Societies control the world. That's all
there is to it. They always have and until people wake
up and learn their secrets and how they control us,
they always will. There are many secret societies in
the world today and not all of them are on the same
side. Some secret societies create BOTH SIDES, and
really work together although it would not appear so on
the surface. Probably, the most secret, mysterious,
oldest and most powerful secret society is the Priory
Of Sion. This is only an estimation, not an accusation.
I would not assume they are the most dangerous,
although I cannot say for sure either way. They are
definitely near the top of the research ladder. I do
not consider Leonardo Da Vinci or Sir Isaac Newton to
be Evil Men, on the contrary, they were probably wise
benevolent Illuminated Rosicrusions. One thing for
sure, they were Rosicrusions and both members of the
Royal Society and their knowledge did not come from
inside them. It was passed on to them . They were Both
Grand Masters of the Priory Of Sion. From the earliest
times of Egypt and the bricklayers of the pyramids, the
MASONS have been a storehouse of information. To
protect their trade and to retain the secrets of the
sacred geometry sciences, they revealed little
information. Later in England, Spain, France and
Germany, and on the Continental United States, the
lodges were the perfect opportunity to meet together,
discuss business, share secrets, and recruit members.
Freemasonry in general poses the greatest threat to the
world. This does not mean all Freemasons are bad. Some
are very good, the only problem is the good ones don't
seem to live too long.

 Secret Societies maintain their power over members
through "RITUAL"  programming and members are required
to share deep, personal secrets with the other members
which are used to blackmail members who would choose to
leave or reveal the secrets. In the Case of Captain
William Morgan Author of the book "Illustrations of
Freemasonry", they just killed him, slit his throat
from ear to ear and left his body floating in the
river. This act caused an outrage in America in the
1830's and the first third party in the American
political system was created, "The Anti-Masons Party".
There are literally hundreds of books published
throughout Europe spanning several centuries revealing
the dangerous existence of these groups and exposing
their plans. The Masons themselves claim to be victims
of persecution by the catholic church over the
centuries, which indeed is the way it would seem on the
surface, but a deeper investigation reveals the Vatican
to be an element of secret societies.

In 1776, when Adam Weishaupt formed the Illuminati
in Bavaria, he had a plan to draft his organization
onto freemasonry and use the secrecy of the Masonic
lodges to recruit members from within freemasonry into
the Illuminati by telling them that it was he who held
the key to the higher degrees. His plan was to create a
secret organization that would control the world behind
the scenes for the ultimate "benefit" of humanity by
making wars obsolete, the poor wealthy, removing racial
and national boundaries, removing the responsibility of
the parents to raise their children and forming a
communist one-world government, but the only problem
was first he would have to create a few wars, abolish
religion, and many people would have to die in the
process. Well, this was o.k. to Weishaupt because " THE
ENDS JUSTIFIED THE MEANS" as he was quoted to say. So
he figured he wouldn't tell anyone the bad part until
later as they climbed the latter and would put up with
more in order to retain their position and power in
society. Weishaupt went to work to recruit the leaders
of society as well as the rich and prestigious. Within
a few short years there were hundreds of  "Illuminated
Lodges" in Europe and dozens in America. At the time of
the Revolutionary War and the signing of the
Declaration of Independence, the Illuminati were
rumored to be working to destroy the republic. George
Washington wrote about them in his diaries and
discussed the possible links to the Eastern Banking
Establishment as well as the dissension in his ranks
being possibly attributed to their propaganda.

The Illuminati seized on their opportunity to grab
power in 1789 in France during the French Revolution.
Sentiments against religion and the Monarchy were
spread by the Illuminati controlled printing presses
and the booksellers pushed all kinds of new propaganda
to incite the people to revolution. When it was all
over and the people thought they had taken the power
for themselves, "SURPRISE", the Illuminati secretly
held the reigns of new power in the French Assembly.

The Freemasons :
http://www.freedomdomain.com/freemason.html
The Illuminati :
http://www.freedomdomain.com/illumin.html
Skull  Bones :
http://www.freedomdomain.com/skullbones.html
The 

[CTRL] Woman Awakes From 16-Year Coma-Like State

2000-01-05 Thread Bill Richer

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Woman Awakes From 16-Year Coma-Like State
   The Associated Press

   ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - For 16 years, Patricia White Bull
   was unable to speak, swallow or move much. Her slipped into a
   catatonic state while delivering her fourth child.

   On Christmas Eve, she suddenly snapped back to consciousness.

   "Don't do that," she blurted out when nurses were trying to
fix her
   nursing home bed.

   Doctors cannot explain why Ms. White Bull, 42, awakened. Her
   mother, Snowflake Flower, said it was a Christmas miracle
from
   God.

   Ms. White Bull - known as "Happi" - has been speaking her
   children's names, catching up on family developments and
   spending a lot of time just watching her children and
smiling.

   "I just went up to her and gave her a hug, and she gave me a
hug
   back," her oldest child, Cindi, told the Albuquerque Journal.
"It was
   the first time she had ever hugged back. It was scary at
first. It
   was overwhelming emotionally."

   Ms. White Bull's speech is clear but limited. She has talked
very
   little but listened a lot. Her hands, which had been clenched
tightly
   for 16 years, have loosened.

   She has been driven up into the mountains to breathe the
fresh air.
   She has been wheeled around a shopping mall. She has eaten a
   small bite of pizza. And on Monday, with her ability to
swallow
   improving, she ate chicken, mashed potatoes and gravy.

   Pointing to new running shoes, she said: "I'm going to run."

   Doctors say Ms. White Bull's condition was caused by a blood
   clot that lodged in her lung and caused her to stop breathing
while
   her son Mark Jr. was being delivered by Caesarean section.
She
   was resuscitated but suffered brain damage from lack of
oxygen.

   Cindi, Mark Jr., 16, and Ms. White Bull's other children,
Floris, 17,
   and Jesse, 19, have been raised by their father on the
Standing
   Rock Sioux Reservation in South Dakota. They rushed back to
   Albuquerque when they heard their mother had awakened from
the
   vegetative state they had been told would last the rest of
her life.

   For three years after Ms. White Bull slipped into a catatonic
state,
   her husband kept the children in Albuquerque, where he was a
   computer programmer for the city. But then, he said, "I grew
to
   accept that nothing was going to change."

   He moved his children to the reservation so they could be
raised
   with the help of his family. He took a job with the Standing
Rock
   Sioux tribal government. And he sought a divorce.

   But now, "If she recovers and she wants to re-establish a
   relationship with me, I'm here," he said.

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[CTRL] How to make your own white gold powder.

2000-01-05 Thread earthman

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Speak of the devil..Get it while it's hot.

Peter

How to make your own white gold powder.

http://www.zz.com/WhiteGoldWeb/ormusframe.htm

Read carefully and keep reading to fully understand the consequences.

There are three methods discussed.

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There's a difference between populism and liberalism. Populism means 
listening to the people and hearing what they have to say. Liberalism says, 
"The people are idiots; let's find out what the experts think." -- Jay 
Waljasper, Utne Reader

STROKE OF PEN 

The Labor Department's announcement that employers  are liable for the home 
safety of telecommuters makes millions of workers vulnerable to intrusion by 
corporations, insurance companies, and the government. Even by the Clinton 
administration practice of ignoring normal democratic procedures whenever 
convenient, the move was extraordinary as it consisted of neither an 
executive order nor a properly issued regulation. Rather, OSHA claimed it 
was simply applying existing law: 

WASHINGTON POST: The advisory is not a proposed rule, but rather a 
declaration of existing policy the agency deems already to be in effect. 
Although the advisory does not provide specifics, in effect it means that 
employers are responsible for making sure an employee has ergonomically 
correct furniture, such as chairs and computer tables, as well as proper 
lighting, heating, cooling and ventilation systems in the home office . . . 
[OSHA] is not requiring employees to routinely inspect the home work sites 
of their employees. But the advisory does hold employers responsible for any 
illnesses or injuries that office in the home workplace. 

SARAH LUECK, WALL STREET JOURNAL: Facing a loud outcry from business groups, 
Labor Secretary Alexis Herman quickly retreated from any broad 
interpretation of a recent Occupational Safety and Health Administration 
notice that would hold employers responsible for the safety and health of 
employees working at home . . . "The federal government has neither the 
desire nor the resources to investigate private homes," she said . . . 
Critics said OSHA's interpretation of current rules would unfairly require 
businesses to monitor employees' homes -- a costly undertaking that some 
consider an invasion of privacy. They also said it would discourage 
employers from approving increasingly popular "telecommuting" arrangements 
that allow workers to stay home with their families and communicate with 
their offices by computer. "This is a step toward having the safety police 
run our homes," said Rudy Lewis, president of the National Association of 
Home Based Businesses, in Owings Mills, Md. "It could mean that if I have 
telecommuters working for me, I have to worry about whether their children 
have left a toy out where my employee might trip over it. ... Next thing you 
know, employers and federal inspectors will be telling workers how to 
arrange their furniture at home for the perfect work environment."

EUGENE SCALIA, WALL STREET JOURNAL: Everyone agrees that employers cannot 
skirt their safety and health obligations by sending employees home to do 
dangerous work, like mixing hazardous chemicals. But what makes OSHA's new 
policy so surprising is the agency's eagerness to regulate not just 
circumvention schemes and especially hazardous activities, but everyday 
conditions in American homes. "Ensuring safe and healthful working 
conditions . . . should be a precondition for any home-based work 
assignments," the advisory states. One effective means of discharging this 
responsibility is "periodic safety checks of employee work spaces," the 
advisory declares. "In some circumstances the exercise of reasonable 
diligence may necessitate an on-site examination." 

VIN SUPRYNOWICZ, MOUNTAIN MEDIA: All disclaimers aside, this is precisely a 
first extension of the government's slimy tentacles into the business of 
having someone inspect "home work stations," where everything from locked 
exit doors and heaps of papers (fire hazards, you understand) to the 
presence of smoking materials, "unsecured" self-defense firearms, and the 
kind of reading material or home hobby equipment that might raise a curious 
agent's eyebrow, will be duly noted. (Furs and fancy cars? IRS might be 
interested. Bruises on the kids? Inform Child Protection. Hispanic nanny? 
Memo INS. Grow lights on the aquarium? Wonder what else they might be
growing?)

LAND OF THE FREE

ASSOCIATED PRESS, FORT LAUDERDALE, FL: A 9-year-old boy was handcuffed by a 
sheriff's deputy who spotted him riding his bicycle without a helmet after 
officials say the deputy told him to wear one. Palm Beach County sheriff's 
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[CTRL] HCI Working Hard in Kalifornia and Florida - gun control

2000-01-05 Thread Bill Richer

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HCI Working Hard in Kalifornia and Florida
Kalifornia Legislature's Democrats Plan to Push Gun Control

http://www.latimes.com/news/state/updates/lat_legis000103.htm

 Capitol: As 2000 session opens today, Democrats plan to push tough
bills on registering of handguns and licensing of owners. The battle is
expected to be hard fought and closely watched by Bradley, Gore.


By CARL INGRAM and MARK GLADSTONE, Times Staff Writers
 SACRAMENTO--Ignoring Gov. Gray Davis' appeal for a timeout on new gun
controls, Democrats plan to start pushing sweeping proposals to license
handgun owners and register their firearms when the Legislature convenes
today for its 2000 session.
 The controversial election-year plan promises to be a centerpiece
of Democrats' lawmaking efforts, especially urban liberals convinced
that voters want even tougher restrictions than the strong controls
enacted in 1999 with Davis' backing.
 One plan being advanced by Assembly Speaker Antonio Villaraigosa, a
candidate for mayor of Los Angeles, would require prospective buyers to
be tested for competency in the safe handling and firing of a pistol or
revolver as a requirement for getting a license.
 "It seems to me that for an inherently dangerous activity like
owning a gun, one should have to be able to certify competency and
proficiency in the use of that gun," Democrat Villaraigosa said in an
interview last week.
 No one knows how many handguns are in California households. Steve
Helsley, lobbyist for the National Rifle Assn., estimated they may total
from 7 million to 10 million. According to Department of Justice
records, at least 2.6 million were legally sold in California from 1990
through 1998.
 Proponents of gun owner licensing and registration concede that
without Davis in their corner, they face an uphill fight to win approval
of major new firearms bills. They also anticipate strong opposition from
gun owner groups, which are expected to focus on Democrats in swing
districts, especially in the Central Valley.
 The debate is expected to be emotional--and closely watched by
presidential candidates, especially Democrats Bill Bradley and Al Gore,
who are advancing their own gun control proposals as they stump
California for the March 7 primary. And the debate will certainly be a
bellwether for whether the nation will embrace even stronger gun
controls.
 The Democrats, who control both houses of the Legislature, began
disclosing details of their proposed bills as they prepared for today's
start of the second half of the two-year session.
 It will be a week laden with the ceremony of state government.
Davis will make his second State of the State speech to a televised
joint meeting of the Senate and Assembly on Wednesday. Next Monday, he
will submit his state budget, which is expected to reach at least $85
billion (up from $81 billion) as the California economy shifts into
overdrive.
 Other major issues for the governor and lawmakers include: fine
tuning reforms of the public schools enacted in 1999, considering an
Oregon-style physician-assisted suicide law, and dishing out about $3
billion in unanticipated tax revenues.
 Last year, Davis signed into law five major gun control bills that
he called the toughest in the nation. Among them was one strengthening
California's assault weapons law. But in October, shortly after the
Legislature adjourned, the governor called for a moratorium on new
legislation.
 In a series of messages accompanying his veto of three relatively
minor gun bills then, Davis called on lawmakers to enact no
"significant" gun legislation this year "until the impact of the laws
recently enacted can be measured and analyzed."
 'He hasn't backed off on that," said Linda Chou, a Davis
spokeswoman.
 But Democrats are pressing ahead, fueled in part by the campaigns
of Vice President Gore and former Sen. Bradley of New Jersey and opinion
polls showing Americans in favor of stricter firearms laws.
 In past legislative sessions, registration of guns and licensing of
owners have been casually discussed but quickly abandoned as unrealistic
in a state where firearms have been part of the culture since frontier
times.
 But the landscape is changing as voters increasingly are troubled
by shootings at schools and elsewhere.
 Behind the scenes, lawmakers are grappling with a variety of ideas.
Besides Villaraigosa's, a second draft proposal, sponsored by Handgun
Control Inc., would require registration of millions of handguns and
annual registration renewals, just as motorists must do for their
vehicles.
 "We want to have all currently owned handguns registered," said
Luis Tolley, western director of Handgun Control. He said regularly
updated records would help police identify owners of guns used in
crimes.
 Assemblyman Jack Scott (D-Pasadena), chairman of the Assembly

Re: [CTRL] FW: The Scientist

2000-01-05 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 1/4/00 9:46:06 PM Central Standard Time,
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   From Placebo to Homeopathy: The Fear of the
 Irrational 


How EXACTLY are QUACKERY and CONSPIRACY connected???
IF your going to say that there's a concerted cover-up of "alternative
therapies", I'll agree...but HOW does homeopathy (or chiropractic nonsense)
fit in?
These are easily proven FRAUDS and are hardly worth mentioning except as
clear examples of PSEUDOSCIENCE and deception.
The REAL con involving these 19th century curios is that there are those out
there who still PROFIT by conning the feeble-minded, using pseudoscientific
jargon and a heaping helping of utter bullshit, that they should pay premium
prices for, at the most, the placebo effect.
If you want to discuss the possible suppression of a cure for cancer, the
possible positives of Laetrile or even Interferon, I'll lay fallow...but when
you push nonsense my neckhairs stand on end...

Bill.

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[CTRL] Y2K~The HARD Facts...

2000-01-05 Thread William Shannon

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The hard facts

By Mitch Ratcliffe, ZDY2K

Opinion - January 3, 2000 -- Why didn't it happen? See my column of Thursday
to understand why Y2K wasn't a hoax, and why there a lot of people who
deserve thanks There's not much more to say, when I called Y2K almost to a
tee: No one died as a result of Y2K problems; Power stayed on, despite widely
dispersed and localized problems with computers; Embedded systems did not
fail on a large scale, and those that did were non-critical; If anything,
less developed countries proved they are less reliant on technology and, so,
avoided many problems that would have occurred in the U.S. if Americans had
ignored Y2K; Critical infrastructures operated normally, despite problems (at
this writing, the FAA's few problems have not resulted in a threat to public
safety, nor have any of the markets around the world that are open, including
the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and Chicago Board of Trade, experienced any
major problems).

After all the abuse and threats ladled out toward me and my family for the
past 18 months, let me just take one moment to gloat.

Gloat.

There was a moment on Saturday that brought the whole Y2K situation into
crystal clarity, when Cathy Hotka of the National Retail Federation was asked
by the press whether survivalists could return supplies they hadn't used.

"Retailers are in the business of selling things and not lending them," she
said, with remarkable credulity, considering how foolish the question
sounded.

In a nutshell, the Y2K problem has proved a non-event because business (and
government) stuck to their strengths: business as usual, with a note of
urgency in IT efforts. Overall, the two percent to seven percent of IT
budgets dedicated to Y2K repairs by corporations and government agencies was
a responsible and rational response.

The cost shouldered by large organizations was much larger, as percentage of
revenue, than what a household should have spent, because each company
shouldered a small part of the expense of removing risk from their customers'
lives. Now that the danger has passed, the survivalist who did over-spend has
to live with the mistake while the rest of us will benefit from having
calculated correctly. A little preparation went a long way.

This is not a paean to the beauty of capitalism, just to good sense. As an
investor, you take risks. As a human being, you take risks. Some folks
over-react to risk and some thrive.

From the very beginning of this Y2K odyssey, especially since I became
convinced there was no reason to fear an apocalyptic failure or anything
approaching that, I've been enraged by the opportunists who have exaggerated
the risks of Y2K for their own profit.

Now that the realities of Y2K are plain - I needn't rehash them here, other
than to point to these stories I did for United Press International - we need
to be sure to call to account those who abused so many people, costing them
hundreds or thousands of dollars.

First, the stories about the Y2K rollover:

World prepares for Y2K

When Will Y2K Actually Strike?

Y2K off to bug-less start

Networks Pass Biggest Test; Europe Joins The Party

Asia Glides easily into 2000

Y2K: What Exactly Happened?

Y2K still silent as business begins around the world

Y2K survivalists struggle with reality

What is especially troubling is that the doomer prophets who led people
astray are already in the midst of reinventing themselves.

Gary North's Web site has been altered, and many of the loonier statements he
made there disappeared almost immediately after the rollover. North claims
his site has been hacked, but the "damage" doesn't make sense - why would
hackers wait until after the New Year and then remove only part of the
content on the site? Fortunately, there are people with accurate back-ups of
the North site to preserve the record.

Mike Adams, who has threatened to sue me again for my recent article, has
morphed Y2KNewswire from a pessimistic site to an optimistic one overnight.
Where one day there were assertions of Y2K cover-ups, the next day there were
a whole slew of stories about how Y2K has been beaten. The whole Y2KNewswire
archive of links, in which Adams inserted preposterous interpretations of
stories in the mainstream press have vanished.

Why?

Because Adams has a new site that will help people reinvent their lives -
ironically, he's suggesting that life will be rebuilt using technology. What
disingenuous crap.

Ed Yourdon, at least, has preserved his published record intact. Yet, he
refuses to admit he was wrong.

We have just one task before us: Never to forget who led people astray and
why. These opportunists, many of whom have made themselves rich with Y2K
panic-mongering, are trying to rewrite history before our eyes. Don't let
them do it.

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Re: [CTRL] Drudge/Excite: Tripp Hung Out to Dry (fwd)

2000-01-05 Thread True Patriot

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 Secondly, Tripp's recording always (as far as I know) crossed
 State lines and would therefore seem to be a Federal issue, over
 which Starr's office's immunity grant would seem to be
 unequivocal.

 Could somebody please explain why this isn't a slam-dunk for
 Tripp?

Simply because something crosses a state line does NOT make it only Federal,
or only the issue of a given state. Let me explain.

A stands 100 yards inside the State of New York. B stands 100 yards inside
the state of New Jersey (200 yards total distance between the two). A fires
a rifle, bullet goes directly into B's heart. B's dead before he hits the
ground. Who has jurisdiction?

Answer is: Everyone.

The criminal act was in New Jersey. The firing of the bullet with intent to
kill. The bullet then actually killed SOMEONE (Note: as a matter of law,
intent follows the bullet. IF A's bullet had nicked B and then tore half of
C's head open, that is still murder.)

The result of the criminal activity was in New York. A bullet fired by
someone with intent to kill killed someone in the confines of the State of
New York. That makes it a matter for the State of New York, as the death
occured in the state.

Now why did I say 100 yards? Because MANY states (I'd say all) state that if
the action occurs within X yards of the border, the state can take it. This
is to avoid the infamous "Well I'll make a run for the border" stuff. I
think NY is 100 yards from its border, I don't think NJ is much different.

And let's not forget the potential Federal aspect. Since this was a crime
involving the crossing of a state line, the Feds could argue jurisdiction.
Doubtful, but possible.

Now, what does this have to do with Tripp?

Maryland law applies since the (alledged) criminal action occured in
Maryland. The resulting injury was in DC, but since DC is a federal
district, a grant of immunity by Starr covers. A Federal prosecutor's grant
of immunity does NOT however utterly totally preclude a state prosecution. A
Federal JUDGE orderiing such a immunity does "Full faith and credit". That's
why Maryland is scrambling to prove its case without using anything gotten
from Starr's work to avoid this issue altogether.

But this raising a whole nother issue: if a prosecutor grant immunity, does
it need to be signed by a judge before it is offical? Well, that depends on
the kind of immunity (limited, full, "transactional", etc.), the state, and
so on.

So, what do we have with Tripp:

State-to-District jurisditional problem
Time when an immunity agreement is deemed "in place"
State's authority to ignore a Federal immunity deal if/when

One more point Tripp was suppose to argue: Federal law says that the
collection of information of a felony is valid (kinda like "citizens
arrest". If you see a Federal crime (or any crime for that matter)in front
of you, you are SUPPOSE to observe it if you can. Now Tripp was going to
argue that since Federal law made such a collection of information ok, and
since Federal law trumps state law (supremecy clause) that her collection
was proper. The counter arguement: the collection of information means if
you see a murder taking place, you are SUPPOSE to watch. NOT then sit there
and go run and grab a video recorder, come back and ask the murderer "Can
you please get into frame? Thanks."

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[CTRL] The Truth About Jehovah's Witnesses

2000-01-05 Thread William Shannon

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THE TRUTH ABOUT THE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
AND MY ENCOUNTER WITH THE LIZARD BEINGS

By Diana Huston


archived 12-22-99
Archive file# e122299a
donated by David Icke




THE TRUTH ABOUT THE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
AND MY ENCOUNTER WITH THE LIZARD BEINGS
By Diana Huston

I was a member of a mind control cult religion for 20 years. The religion is
known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, otherwise known as Jehovah's
Witnesses. I started with them in 1969, being attracted to their message of
paradise on earth after having gone through the Vietnam war with my husband.

I had two children whom I raised as Witnesses. But thankfully they are out
now. I was happy for a few years, until the religion became more demanding
and controlling.

In 1987 there began to appear in the artwork subliminal drawings in their
books and magazines depicting bizarre faces and strange messages. Eventually
I experienced a psychic awakening by which I was enabled to actually 'see'
through walls and able to follow the activities of the leaders.

In September of 1988, at a small convention, I had a chance to walk up to one
of the governing body 'elect' to speak to him privately. At that time I
thought that they were the 'good' guys and someone was run amuck at
headquarters. He was about 5'10". He had dark hair, heavy and powerfully
built. His name was Daniel Sedlik and his was of Polish origin. As I reached
out to shake his hand, he turned to return the shake. I looked into his eyes
and was startled and somewhat terrified to see a thin membrane drop over his
human eyes. I don't know if the membrane came from the bottom of his eyelid,
or the top. But it was there, and I'd never heard of lizard beings, but I
remember thinking how much his eyes looked like those of a lizard. The
membrane dropped over his eyes when he looked at me and he seemed to
recognize me, although at the time I couldn't imagine why. The sense of
terrible danger that I had and the need to get away from him was
overwhelming. Thankfully, others of the 'flock' spotted him and kept him from
following me.

It was after that that a reign of terror began against myself and my family.
My telephone was tapped and I was followed. Also a series of what I now know
were psychic attacks began. This kept up unmercifully for several years. I
finally learned to protect myself and I began a path of awakening. I am not a
weak or cowardly person, and I was deeply offended that, as I understood it,
these people were using the cover of religion to hide illegal activities.

As I researched their documents and books, I began to uncover a trail of drug
running, plots to destroy the world and take it for their own, and arms
running. Even down to the local congregation being used as a route for drug
smuggling. I took my mountains of evidence to the DEA and met with them.
Their response? Either I was a genius or totally insane. I learned that they
had hidden rooms under the streets of Brooklyn, NY where they have their
headquarters where the old Brooklyn subway used to be, which is now
abandoned. There they practice Satanic ritual, including the sacrifices of
human infants and the breeding of human females in order to keep the demand
up of infants for their sacrifices. They are totally self-sufficient, and
they use blood in the ink of their magazines. They make their own ink. The
purpose of this is that if they can get their magazines into the homes of
people, the vibrations of the magazines begin to break down the will and mind
of those who have their magazines and books in their home. I warn people on a
personal level never to allow their materials into their homes.

A friend and myself tried warning people through the news media with no
success. She finally had a complete nervous breakdown and has never fully
recovered.

Eventually I came to understand that the leaders are not fully human, but are
the offspring of something alien to this earth. They are too cunning, lethal,
and intelligent to have originated from here, and there has to be an overrace
of beings guiding them from some dimension. They are here for one reason
only. They look at humans as a source of enslavement for their enjoyment to
torment and abuse, to misuse power and to cruelly punish and kill.

I have overcome my fear of them, and I look to the love and goodness of the
Source of All Life to deal with them appropriately, although we must do our
part to stand opposed to them and anyone like them. My own personal
experience very much validates David Ickes warnings.

Diana Huston
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Re: [CTRL] FW: Small Deadly Comets Could Kill Millions On Earth

2000-01-05 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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yes people - small deadly asteroids could drop us in it at any moment -
an act of god - bad luck - we can't stop the cosmos etc .

supposing a NWO black triangle - in keeping with the disposal plans
for 4 billion useless eaters - simply taxid out to the asteroid belt
and rounded up a few strays - yee hah - suddenly its raining rocks,
no sunlight and no freshly grown food - big problem for all us useless eaters
huh ??

we know that they have the technology to do this - but I still think
that they need us manning and womaning the factories until the last
possible moment so that we can stock up their colonial and interstellar
larders 

and yes  they could even intercept any incoming and save billions of
lives out of the goodness of their fraternal hearts.

Andrew Hennessey

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[CTRL] Italy N.Korea...Sittin' In A Tree...K-I-S-S-I-N-G.....

2000-01-05 Thread William Shannon

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Italy Brings North Korea Out of Isolation
6 January 2000

SUMMARY

The Italian Foreign Ministry announced Jan. 5 that it had exchanged letters
with a Rome-based North Korean diplomat, opening relations between the two
countries. This move also opens up a world of possibilities for North Korea;
it serves as a way to improve ties throughout Europe and as a way for it to
break out of its relative international isolation. For Italy, it raises its
value throughout Europe as a bridge builder between Europe and pariah states.
It also sets the stage for Europe to gain more leverage in its transatlantic
economic ties.

ANALYSIS

The Italian Foreign Ministry announced Jan. 5 that Italian Foreign Minister
Lamberto Dini met with North Korea’s Rome-based permanent representative to
the U.N.’s Food and Agriculture Organization to formally establish diplomatic
ties between the two countries. Under the arrangement, Italy's ambassador in
Beijing will double as its envoy to Pyongyang but continue to live in China.
North Korea already has diplomatic relations with five European countries
including Austria, Denmark, Finland, Portugal and Sweden. However, in opening
diplomatic ties with Italy, North Korea now has ties with one of the Group of
Seven (G-7), the world’s seven leading industrialized countries.

Formal diplomatic relations with Italy are a major step for North Korea in
breaking out of its international isolation. It gives North Korea not only an
outlet to the rest the G-7 and Europe, but it also gives it more leverage in
its dealings with its neighbors – South Korea, Japan, Russia and China – as
well as with the United States. In fact, North Korea made this point very
clear just after the announcement in an unscheduled press conference.

Just hours after Italy announced that it would open diplomatic ties with
North Korea, the North Korean government announced that it would rescind
plans to send a senior envoy to the United States for an official visit. “Our
delegation cannot visit the U.S. under the present circumstances,” said North
Korean ambassador to Beijing Chu Chang-Jun. Chu also announced that future
talks with South Korea and Japan would depend on a change in attitude from
the two countries toward North Korea. “Whether a North-South summit will be
open or not depends entirely on the behavior of [South Korean President] Kim
Dae-jung,” he said. He made almost identical remarks concerning
Japanese-North Korean relations saying, “The future of Japan-North Korea
talks depends entirely on the attitude of the Japanese government.”

Still, both Japan and South Korea attempted to play the move to their favor.
Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Mikio Aoki reportedly said, ”Any opening in
the channels of communication with North Korea should be welcomed.” South
Korea also welcomed the move saying it was in line with Kim’s Sunshine Policy
of engagement with the North. The South Korean Foreign Affairs and Trade
Ministry told South Korean media that, ”We respect the Italian government’s
decision, which we consider will help North Korea’s integration into the
international community.”

Despite the cautious optimism from both Japan and South Korea, it is apparent
that North Korean and Italian relations could endanger the Sunshine Policy,
since it is designed to link the North’s economy to the South’s. These ties
may serve to strengthen the North Korean economy by opening up the
possibility of European investment. Also, in securing a bridgehead in the
industrialized world, North Korea increases its maneuverability, making it
more complicated for its neighbors to take measures against the state, in
effect weakening the U.S., South Korean and Japanese leverage on the
Stalinist state.

For Italy, the opening of diplomatic relations with North Korea means
something entirely different. Even though Italy is the sixth European Union
(EU) member state to forge diplomatic links with Pyongyang, this move
enhances Italy’s reputation within Europe for forging relations with states
on the fringes of the international community. In previous cases, such as
with Iran and Libya, Italian openings have led to increased interaction
between those countries and the EU as a whole. The EU usually pushes a joint
diplomatic and security policy, but establishing ties with a certain nation
is the sole decision of a member country.

In July 1998, Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi's visit to Tehran, where he
met with both Iranian President Mohammad Khatami and supreme leader Ayatollah
Ali Khamenei, paved the way for a gradual thaw in Iranian-Western ties and
allowed Iran to call for a dialogue with the EU. This opened up the way for
Khatami to make state visits to Italy in March 1999 and to Germany and France
later that year. It was the first visit by an Iranian leader to Western
Europe since 1979.

Italy also moved to re-invigorate ties with Libya through a visit by Italian
Prime Minister Massimo D'Alema on Dec. 2, 1999, to its 

[CTRL] Outgunned: How The Network News Media Are Spinning the Gun Control Debate

2000-01-05 Thread A.C. Szul

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snip...With every new incident, the networks have blamed guns, and
wonder if more gun control laws aren’t an obvious solution. . .When a
show like Good Morning America airs 92 anti-gun stories and only one
favoring the gun-rights side, ABC is clearly not trying to balance the
news. . .snip

See http://www.mrc.org/specialreports/news/sr2105.html

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"There is no truth, only fictions woven by power to justify itself." --
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Re: [CTRL] [CIA-DRUGS] Art Bell ROTS - or what is he up to?

2000-01-05 Thread Dave

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Several years ago, the  Air Force vowed to "own" the weather by 2025.
In 1957, the president's advisory committee on weather control explicitly
recognized the military potential of weather-modification, warning in their
report that it could become a more important weapon than the atom bomb.

TTS '97 - Weather Modification
...and risk of developing a weather control system for military applications
are...
 http://www.tecom.army.mil/tts/1997/proceed/abarnes.html  Date: 15-May-1998

TTS '97 - Treaty Issues
...a section on Counterforce Weather Control for force enhancement which
identifies the...
...and risk of developing a weather control system for military applications
are...
 http://www.tecom.army.mil/tts/1997/proceed/abarnes/sld003.htm  Date:
12-Jun-1997

TTS '97 - Weather Modification
...and risk of developing a weather control system for military applications
are...
 http://www.dtc.army.mil/tts/1997/proceed/abarnes.html  Date: 22-Sep-1999

 Counterforce Weather Control
Counterforce Weather Control Counterforce Weather Control This paper
included in...
 http://www42cs.au.af.mil/Spacecast/App-Q.html  Date: 16-Mar-1998

SPACECAST 2020 Technical Report - Volume I
...(Vol. III) Counterforce Weather Control (Vol. II) Preparing for Planetary
Defense:...
http://www.au.af.mil/Spacecast/TOC1.html  Date: 20-Apr-1996

AF2025 v3c15-2 | Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning... | (Ch 2)
...advisory committee on weather control explicitly recognized the military
potential of...
 http://www42cs.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-2.htm  Date:
12-Dec-1996  d

TTS '97 - Treaty Issues
...a section on Counterforce Weather Control for force enhancement which
identifies the...
...and risk of developing a weather control system for military applications
are...
 http://www.tecom.army.mil/tts/1997/proceed/abarnes/tsld003.htm  Date:
12-Jun-1997

...The optional Advanced Weather Control module allows the user to place
rainstorms, fog...
...costs $3.5K. The Advanced Weather Control module costs $2K. The Icon
Force Management...
 http://www.tec.army.mil/TD/tvd/survey/survey.txt  Date: 18-May-1999

 SPACECAST 2020 Technical Report - Volume II
...Application Counterforce Weather Control GLOSSARY Return to SPACECAST
2020 Home Page
 http://www42cs.au.af.mil/Spacecast/TOC2.html  Date: 20-Apr-1996

...for disruption or perhaps weather control. Capabilities Space-based
solar...
 http://www42cs.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume4/chap03/b6_6.htm  Date: 25-Nov-1996

Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) ExoDIS ...The optional
Advanced Weather Control module allows the user to place rainstorms, fog...
...costs $3.5K. The Advanced Weather Control module costs $2K. The Icon
Force Management...
 http://www.tec.army.mil/TD/tvd/survey/ExoDIS.html  Date: 18-May-1999

 AF2025 v3c8-4 | Counterair: The Cutting Edge | (Ch 4)
...operation. Local weather control may be possible to support operations in
limited...
 http://www42cs.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap08/v3c8-4.htm  Date:
12-Dec-1996

 AF2025 v3c14-3d | Space Operations: Through The Looking... | (Ch 3d)
...by employing alternative weather-control techniques before striking for
effect. With...
 http://www42cs.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap14/v3c14-3d.htm  Date:
12-Dec-1996

OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS (Monograph)
...for disruption or perhaps weather control. 6.7 Asteroid Mitigation System
A system...
 http://www42cs.au.af.mil/au/2025/monographs/O-A/o-a-6a.htm  Date:
5-Dec-1996

AIR AND
...Chemical, biological, weather-control, terror, and other "invisible"
weapons will...
URL: http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/5spr90.html  Date:
23-Dec-1998

Spacecast 2020 overview draft
...power and microscale weather control can make are also examined. Lastly,
there is an...
...examines a Counterforce Weather Control system for force enhancement and
identifies...
...topic. This conceptual weather control system is developed through a
three-stage...
...and risks of developing a weather control system for military
applications are...
 http://www42cs.au.af.mil/Spacecast/intro.htm  Date: 10-Feb-1996

 acronyms
...or Gross Weight GWC Global Weather Control GWIP Global Weather Intercept
Program GWP...
 http://www.sarda.army.mil/sard-asb/ACRONYM2.htm  Date: 30-Sep-1996

...B 15 7956740-10 C/C, WEATHER CONTROL 11 7956750-10 C/C, 3 7956754-10
C/C,WITH MODEL P...
 http://farsite.hill.af.mil/rfpso/commod/c130ats/C130RSP.txt  Date:
8-Jan-1999

...play significant roles. Weather control also has the potential to
favorably affect...
 http://www42cs.au.af.mil/au/awc/ed10_2/glenn/glenn.htm  Date: 21-Jul-1999


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


-Original Message-
From: Catherine Austin Fitts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 1:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] Art Bell ROTS - or what is he up to?


I don't know. I believe something is up with the weather and environment and
do not understand how much is man made and 

[CTRL] Internet, privacy, Independent media and the survival of democracy

2000-01-05 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave

 In Seattle's Aftermath:  Linux, Independent Media, and the Survival of
Democracy

by Bryan Pfaffenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bryan Pfaffenberger is Associate Professor of Technology,
Culture, and Communication at the University of Virginia.

   LinuxJournal, 13-Dec-1999
   http://www2.linuxjournal.com/articles/currents/013.html
--
Independent digital media can't survive without an  Operating System (OS)
and an Internet that are free from corporate control.

At a 1996 Media and Democracy conference in San Francisco, CA, Andy
Sharpless, Vice President of Progressive Networks of Seattle, told his
audience that independent, Internet-based media outlets had just five
years to compete against large, corporate sites (Beacham, 1996). The five
years are almost up, and it's abundantly clear that Sharpless' prediction
was right on the money. Corporations are well on their way to transforming
the Internet into a computerized version of broadcast television, replete
with mind-numbing consumerism, an aversion to reporting of news that
corporations dislike, and using all the tricks of broadcast TV (including
fast-changing images, gratuitous sex, and subtle psychological
manipulation) to keep your eyes glued to the screen.

But it's not merely the dumbing-down of Internet content that worries
independent media activists. Within the next five years, the
transformation of Internet content will be coupled with intrusive,
surreptitious content monitoring, akin to having your every move in a
public bookstore or newsstand exhaustively catalogued and monitored, and
then put up for sale to any interested party. In contrast to today's
monitoring, which is ostensibly done without associating individuals'
names with the collected data, tomorrow's will be more personal -- and far
more damaging. Employers, after all, will doubtless be very keen to
knowing whether job applicants have (say) visited sites discussing such
matters as worker's compensation, alcoholism, depression, or (horror of
horrors) trade unionism. If you've accessed the "wrong" site and some
other, equally capable applicant hasn't, perhaps you won't get that job,
but you'll never know why. ("Your credentials did not fit our needs at
this time.") Skeptical? American workers are already terrified of making
worker's compensation claims or seeking treatment for anxiety or
depression, knowing full well that doing so may ruin their chances for
future employment.

In the corporate-shaped Internet to come, one may feel a powerful prior
constraint concerning the mere seeking of any information -- the mere
reading of any content -- that would displease an employer. This is
repression on a scale as horrifying as anything envisioned in dystopian
science fiction novels such as Brave New World ; perhaps even more
horrifying, because it's all too clear that the needed technology is
available right now. You'll find out soon enough that, in fact, it's
already in use. For a time, there will be a big public outcry, and the
first company that's caught will have to back off. After the furor dies
down, though, the practice will become commonplace and unremarkable --
until, that is, it ruins your career.

Make no mistake about it: there's a battle to come, and it's not really
about "consumers" and "privacy" and the rest of the meaningless
terminology you've heard. Fundamentally, it's about democracy :
specifically, the right of the people to obtain the information and
knowledge they need to govern themselves in freedom. And, as you'll see,
Linux and the Open Source software movement promise to play a key role in
this battle.


WHY INDEPENDENT MEDIA MATTER

If you get your news only from mainstream media, you'd think a "guerilla
army of anti-trade activists" disrupted the WTO's recent Seattle
conference ( Washington Post , 12/1/99) and what's more, that the Seattle
police responded with force only after a "small band of self-described
anarchists" started smashing downtown merchants' windows (CNN, 12/1/99).
Animating the protesters, as stressed repeatedly by the media, was a grab
bag of ill-formed, far-fetched ideas. To explain the protesters' concerns,
a CNN reporter sought out the president of the National Association of
Manufacturers (certainly a highly objective commentator) who could discern
only "a lot of crazy different messages" from the "loopy protesters". A
New York Times columnist summed up the demonstrators as a "Noah's ark of
flat-earth advocates, protectionist trade unions, and yuppies looking for
their 1960s fix" (FAIR Media Advisory, December 7, 1999,
http://www.fair.org/activism/wto-prattle.html).

What you don't know has been reported only by the independent media
movement; a coalition of web sites, progressive radio stations, book
publishers, newspapers, and magazines devoted to providing an alternative
to the world view 

[CTRL] chemtrails flu

2000-01-05 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

It was a beautiful day last Sunday, and I took a drive about 50 miles north
of Asheville.
The sky was clear when I left, except for a couple of chemtrails, like I've
noticed several mornings recently. I went as far as the Tennessee border,
got a bite to eat, and then headed back toward Asheville on back roads..  as
I neared Asheville, the sky looked overcast, with some brownish color toward
the horizon. Looking at the "overcast" it was quite apparent that it had
been created by multiple passes of chemtrails, some of them slowly fusing
into one another, but still with visible lines.
This morning's Asheville "Citzen-Times" newspaper carried a front page item
about a young woman who died from a rare flesh-eating bacteria, and
mentioned in passing that the hospital is overloaded with "influenza
epidemic " victims... as are the hospitals in Southern California,
Wisconsin, Phoenix, and many other areas.

"Last week, Southern California hospitals, including those in Los Angeles,
Orange and San Diego counties, were rerouting patients while they dealt with
packed rooms.
Reporting statewide outbreaks in December were Montana, Utah and Washington.
Those reporting concentrated outbreaks were Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,
Illinois, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York,
Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia, and Wisconsin."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/19991229/aponline021456_000.ht
m


Like the person below, I maintain a healthy lifestyle and diet, and am
seldom ill.
The "flu" I got about 8 weeks ago is not yet completely gone- still some
lung congestion, and a persistent runny nose.


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


Source: SIGHTINGS


Heavy Night Chemtrails Reported Over Indiana
From Cherokee Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  1-4-2000

I just wanted to report to you the massive amount of
chemtrails they've been bombarding us with here in
Indiana. I only wish I'd had my camera with me on these
days. I could have gotten some great pictures. I've decided
from now on that I will never leave home without it.

I've had several sightings of chemtrails since the last of
November. The first sighting occurred the night before
Thanksgiving. It was about 6 or 7 in the evening, and my
husband, my 3 children and myself were going to my
mother-in-laws. The moon was especially bright that
evening, and we were all admiring it as it kept popping in
and out of the only cloud in the sky that evening.

When we got farther into town, my husband pointed up in
the direction of the moon, and said, "Look, do you see
those chemtrails up there?" I looked, and I saw the
familiar grid pattern that I'd seen so many pictures of on
the net. Then I looked a little farther to the south and I
saw the airplane. It was beginning a new grid pattern in
that area. I was surprised, because I had never seen any
chemtrails that were made at night before. I do believe
that if it were not for the moon being so large and bright in
the sky that evening, we would have never noticed the
chemtrails.

My second sighting occurred on December 13th. My
mother, children and I were going to the cemetary to put
some Christmas flowers on my grandparents grave. On
the way there, I noticed a couple of chemtrails. I pointed
them out to my mother, and we watched them all the way
to the cemetary. By the time we got there, there must
have been about 5 chemtrails. We couldn't see if it was
the same plane coming back, or if it had the help of
another plane. It would fly out of sight, and then we
would see it coming back again.

My latest sighting was on January 1st. Earlier that day my
husband had called his mother, and while talking, she
mentioned that she had seen some chemtrails while out
shopping.

We had to go out a little later that day, and of course, after
what my mother-in-law had told us, we had our eyes to
the sky. As soon as we got out to the highway, there they
were! Tons of them! They were long, and very thick. We
were able to spot 3 planes that were making these. I was
thinking, "My God, this is overkill." As we got closer to
Indianapolis, we spotted another plane that was making
the chemtrails, and about 4 other planes that were not. By
seeing them at the same time, it was easy to compare the
difference. The planes that were leaving the chemtrails
were 

Re: [CTRL] FW: The Scientist

2000-01-05 Thread TenebrousT

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/5/00 6:57:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 How EXACTLY are QUACKERY and CONSPIRACY connected???
  IF your going to say that there's a concerted cover-up of "alternative
  therapies", I'll agree...but HOW does homeopathy (or chiropractic nonsense)
  fit in?
  These are easily proven FRAUDS and are hardly worth mentioning except as
  clear examples of PSEUDOSCIENCE and deception.
  The REAL con involving these 19th century curios is that there are those
out
  there who still PROFIT by conning the feeble-minded, using pseudoscientific
  jargon and a heaping helping of utter bullshit, that they should pay
premium
  prices for, at the most, the placebo effect.
  If you want to discuss the possible suppression of a cure for cancer, the
  possible positives of Laetrile or even Interferon, I'll lay fallow...but
 when
  you push nonsense my neckhairs stand on end...

  Bill.


I would say that there is a definite connection between conspiracy and what
you call quackery.  Homeopathy may not fit into your paradigm but it
definitely has helped some people, whether by placebo effect or some unknown
mechanism is irrelevant in my book.  The fact that comparatively simple
"cures" may be had without resorting to allopathic medicine which kills tens
of thousands every year (even though a lot of alopathy IS effective), is
enough to wonder why there is vigorous repression of a substance that they
say has no value?  Why do they bother, if there is no harm in it?  As for
Chiropractors I think you are wrong, even if there is no scientific basis for
spinal manipulation in curing diseases in other areas of the body it clearly
has benefit for people who are suffering from some types of back and muscle
problems, and can't be called quackery IMO.  If a chiropractor were to tell
you he could cure your athletes foot by manipulating your spine I would be
highly skeptical, and maybe presume him to be a "quack".  On the other hand
if I have a problem with my back or the muscles therein and a chiropractor
were to tell me that he could help I would expect it to be so.  I have had
good results from spinal manipulation (as well as massage and other related
techniques).
In short one must wonder.  If homeopathy is just bunk and the compounds
you take are just water (essentially true since the dilutions are so great),
AND there is no harm done if you do take them, THEN why is there such a
strong effort to cast aspersions at it?  Wouldn't it be easier just to ignore
it like science does so many other things that it finds unpalatable?  That is
the rub, and the conspiracy connection.  The interest to debunk what they
claim is worthless, and to suppress things which have no value and also can
cause no harm in and of themselves, causes one to wonder why and paints a
picture of conspiracy to some.

**
***
"Welcome to the desert of the real."  Morpheus, "The Matrix".

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"

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[CTRL] Fwd: Italy/North Korea

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Italy Brings North Korea Out of Isolation

Summary

The Italian Foreign Ministry announced Jan. 5 that it had exchanged
letters with a Rome-based North Korean diplomat, opening relations
between the two countries. This move also opens up a world of
possibilities for North Korea; it serves as a way to improve ties
throughout Europe and as a way for it to break out of its relative
international isolation. For Italy, it raises its value throughout
Europe as a bridge builder between Europe and pariah states. It
also sets the stage for Europe to gain more leverage in its
transatlantic economic ties.


Analysis

The Italian Foreign Ministry announced Jan. 5 that Italian Foreign
Minister Lamberto Dini met with North Korea's Rome-based permanent
representative to the U.N.'s Food and Agriculture Organization to
formally establish diplomatic ties between the two countries. Under
the arrangement, Italy's ambassador in Beijing will double as its
envoy to Pyongyang but continue to live in China. North Korea
already has diplomatic relations with five European countries
including Austria, Denmark, Finland, Portugal and Sweden. However,
in opening diplomatic ties with Italy, North Korea now has ties
with one of the Group of Seven (G-7), the world's seven leading
industrialized countries.

Formal diplomatic relations with Italy are a major step for North
Korea in breaking out of its international isolation. It gives
North Korea not only an outlet to the rest the G-7 and Europe, but
it also gives it more leverage in its dealings with its neighbors -
South Korea, Japan, Russia and China - as well as with the United
States. In fact, North Korea made this point very clear just after
the announcement in an unscheduled press conference.

Just hours after Italy announced that it would open diplomatic ties
with North Korea, the North Korean government announced that it
would rescind plans to send a senior envoy to the United States for
an official visit. "Our delegation cannot visit the U.S. under the
present circumstances," said North Korean ambassador to Beijing Chu
Chang-Jun. Chu also announced that future talks with South Korea
and Japan would depend on a change in attitude from the two
countries toward North Korea. "Whether a North-South summit will be
open or not depends entirely on the behavior of [South Korean
President] Kim Dae-jung," he said. He made almost identical remarks
concerning Japanese-North Korean relations saying, "The future of
Japan-North Korea talks depends entirely on the attitude of the
Japanese government."

Still, both Japan and South Korea attempted to play the move to
their favor. Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Mikio Aoki reportedly
said, "Any opening in the channels of communication with North
Korea should be welcomed." South Korea also welcomed the move
saying it was in line with Kim's Sunshine Policy of engagement with
the North. The South Korean Foreign Affairs and Trade Ministry told
South Korean media that, "We respect the Italian government's
decision, which we consider will help North Korea's integration
into the international community."

Despite the cautious optimism from both Japan and South Korea, it
is apparent that North Korean and Italian relations could endanger
the Sunshine Policy, since it is designed to link the North's
economy to the South's. These ties may serve to strengthen the
North Korean economy by opening up the possibility of European
investment. Also, in securing a bridgehead in the industrialized
world, North Korea increases its maneuverability, making it more
complicated for its neighbors to take measures against the state,
in effect weakening the U.S., South Korean and Japanese leverage on
the Stalinist state.

For Italy, the opening of diplomatic relations with North Korea
means something entirely different. Even though Italy is the sixth
European Union (EU) member state to forge diplomatic links with
Pyongyang, this move enhances Italy's reputation within Europe for
forging relations with states on the fringes of the international
community. In previous cases, such as with Iran and Libya, Italian
openings have led to increased interaction between those countries
and the EU as a whole. The EU usually pushes a joint diplomatic and
security policy, but establishing 

[CTRL] Hugh Downs on guns

2000-01-05 Thread lloyd

 -Caveat Lector-

..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From: Mark A. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:  Hugh Downs on guns
Date: Monday, January 03, 2000 10:34 PM

ABC News Perspective: Assault Weapons
by Hugh Downs

Years ago, presidential candidate John F. Kennedy distinguished himself
from
his opponent Richard M. Nixon by saying that he, Kennedy, knew who he
was and
that Nixon did not know who he was.

Knowing who you are suggests maturity and a sense of self hood. Nations,
just
like individuals, also have identities and nationals can understand who
they
are, too. Members of any civilization can realize their uniqueness.

Sometimes some Americans seem to have difficulty understanding who they
are.
The United States is unique and we shouldn't feel guilty or envious
because
we aren't like other nations.

One issue that seems to magnify our lack of self confidence in who we
are is
the gun debate. Some Americans think we should be like the Japanese when
it
comes to guns. Other think we should behave like the British, or the
Swiss,
or maybe some other foreign nationals.

The recent vote to repeal the so-called assault weapons ban seemed to
kick up
the dust once again in the gun debate. Patrick Kennedy, a Democrat from
Rhode
Island, equated weapons with satanic forces. "Play with the devil, die
with
the devil," Kennedy said. Jim Chapman, another Democrat from Texas, said
banning certain rifles was like outlawing Rolls Royce's because of drunk
drivers and the damage they do. But the two sides couldn't be more
opposed.

Before we plunge into the question of what a so-called assault weapon
is,
let's back up a few million years and consider their evolution. Our most
ancient hominid ancestors learned to throw stones to kill game. Later
when
they learned how to throw spears, Anthropologists and paleontologists
theorized that the act of throwing was a tremendously stressful thing.
Combining binocular vision and distance estimation with delicate
hand-eye
coordination had never been attempted before in nature. Humans pioneered
the
technique.

And one of the consequences of mastering this technique was a more
robust
nervous system; a nervous system that may be responsible for opening the
door
to humanity's unique intellectual activity.

Spears turned into bows and arrows. And arrows turned to crossbow bolts,
and
then to firearms. The development of field artillery created a demand
for
sophisticated mathematics and mathematicians solved problems of
ballistic
velocities and trajectories.

The manufacture of firearms gave birth to precision engineering,
concepts of
mass production, and breakthrough insights in metallurgy.

As a result of the intellectual achievements, master gunsmiths in New
England
and elsewhere created an economic powerhouse. Guns and intellectual
progress
seemed to have been intertwined. Rocket science is a direct outgrowth of
humankind's fascination with ballistics.

Perhaps the most stunning of all these fruits is the development of the
computer. The purpose of the world's first computer, Eniac, was to
calculate
artillery and missile trajectories. In other words, humanity's most
astonishing intellectual artifact, the computer, is an offspring of our
love
affair with guns.

Well, that's a truth about guns. Guns exercised our unique intellectual
ability. They stimulated many scientific disciplines. They created
wealth.
And the have defeated enemies from Adolph Hitler to Sadam Hussein.

Some people may not like the idea, but a large measure of our success as
a
species is due to our passion for firearms. This is an uncomfortable
truth,
because guns serve a dark side of humanity also. War is our dark side.
War
destroys life and property. And everyone, even brave warriors,
justifiably
fear it. Weaponry provided food for our tables and served us well in
certain
crises.

But as instruments of war they play a cacophonous distasteful tune.
Nobody
likes it. People who claim they like war, I believe, are lying to
themselves
and to the world.

But guns do not make war. Guns can hold neither grudges nor hate. Guns
are
merely instruments. A machine gun can no more launch an attack without a
machine gunner than an oboe is to play Mozart without a musician.
Instruments
are extensions of people. Firearms are merely extensions of people.

Firearms, in whatever numbers or whatever configurations, are not the
problem. The problem would seem to have its roots in national attitude
we
have toward correcting things. Where did we develop the idea that
personal
grievances or social wrongs can be redressed by shooting the bad guy?

For example, we do not have the greatest number of handguns per capita.
We
just have (the) greatest number of deaths from these weapons. Israel and
Switzerland are both ahead of us in number of handguns per capita. But
they
don't have very much of this kind of crime. Almost every 

[CTRL] GM microbes in radioactive waste

2000-01-05 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave

===

Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:29:13
From: j.e. cummins [EMAIL PROTECTED]


The GM bacteria used to "purify" radioactive waste sites cause ionic
mercury to be released as volatile mercury metal. Such bacteria have
probably escaped into the environment to convert more ionic mercury in
geologic strata. Such mercury released has begun to cause major problems
in cold places like Canada, Alaska, and the northern continental states.
The Arctic is facing tragic injury to the top of the food chain including
people, polar bears, beluga, narwhal,walrus, etc. Those victims have begun
to show birth defects and nerve damage from mercury in their only source
of food. The question is" who in the hell told the US department of energy
that it was O.K.?
 ==

Articles Nature Biotechnology

January 2000 Volume 18 Number 1 pp 85 - 90



Hassan Brim n.1, Sara C. McFarlan n.2, James K. Fredrickson n.3, Kenneth
W. Minton n.1, Min Zhai n.1, Lawrence P. Wackett n.2  Michael J. Daly n.1

 1. Department of Pathology, Uniformed Services University of the Health
Sciences, Bethesda, MD 20814.
 2. Department of Biochemistry, Biological Process Technology Institute
and Center for Biodegradation Research and Informatics, Gortner
Laboratory, University of Minnesota, St. Paul, MN 55108.
 3. Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, Richland, WA 99352.

Correspondence should be addressed to M J Daly.
e-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


We have developed a radiation resistant bacterium for the treatment of
mixed radioactive wastes containing ionic mercury. The high cost of
remediating radioactive waste sites from nuclear weapons production has
stimulated the development of bioremediation strategies using Deinococcus
radiodurans, the most radiation resistant organism known. As a frequent
constituent of these sites is the highly toxic ionic mercury (Hg) (II), we
have generated several D. radiodurans strains expressing the cloned Hg
(II) resistance gene (merA) from Escherichia coli strain BL308. We
designed four different expression vectors for this purpose, and compared
the relative advantages of each. The strains were shown to grow in the
presence of both radiation and ionic mercury at concentrations well above
those found in radioactive waste sites, and to effectively reduce Hg (II)
to the less toxic volatile elemental mercury. We also demonstrated that
different gene clusters could be used to engineer D. radiodurans for
treatment of mixed radioactive wastes by developing a strain to detoxify
both mercury and toluene. These expression systems could provide models to
guide future D. radiodurans engineering efforts aimed at integrating
several remediation functions into a single host.



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[CTRL] Clinton to join Vernon Jordan investment firm in 2001

2000-01-05 Thread Dave

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Lazard Freres

New Orleans in 1847 the company Lazard Freres had its beginnings in a dry
goods enterprise opened by a French emigre and merchant, Alexandre Lazard.
With his two brothers, Lazard and his firm prospered from the start only to
see the enterprise destroyed by a fire in 1849. A large section of New
Orleans was destroyed in this catastrophe. One of his brothers returned to
Sarrequemines, in Lorraine, but Alexandre and Simon Lazard moved to San
Francisco--1849 being, of course, the year of the Gold Rush--and bought an
interest in a fabric house that produced woolen goods.

1848: "Lazard Brothers open a dry goods company in New Orleans"
http://www.lazardfunds.com/aboutlf/history.html

http://www.hoovers.com/newspages/47996news.html
http://www.hoovers.com/co/capsule/6/0,2163,47996,00.html

http://www-douzzer.ai.mit.edu:8080/conspiracy/www.tlio.demon.co.uk/bildhist.
htm
Origins of the Bilderberg meetings; excerpt:
Monnet's network
Monet himself, who mentions-neither Retinger nor Bilderberg in his memoirs
(Monnet 1978), cannot have been unaware of the activities of these crucial
constituents of his programme. However much he may be portrayed in the
hagiographies as a far-sighted idealist, Monnet was, first and foremost, an
international financier, with an extensive network of connections on both
sides of the Atlantic, occupying a particular place in the configuration of
capitalist interests forming what Van der Pijl calls the Atlantic circuit of
money capital (Van der Pijl 1984). He was, for example, a close friend of
all the key figures in the US power structure; but, more importantly, his
network centred around the New York investment banks Lazard Freres (run by
Andre Meyer who was also on the board of Rockefeller's Chase International
Bank), and Goldmann Sachs, which, after the war gravitated into the
Rockefeller orbit. Monnet's right-hand man, Pierre Uri, was European
director of Lehman Brothers; and Robert Marjolin, one of Monnet's assistants
in the first modernisation plan, subsequently joined the board of the Chase
Manhattan Bank. Uri and Marjolin were also active in Bilderberg.
. and ...
One of the unusual features of Unilever is its bi-national structure
(Stokman et al, 1985): it is a jointly-owned AngloDutch company, with a
50/r0 structure and a unitary board. This was a very useful device during
the war, when operations could be shifted easily from the Netherlands to the
UK. Philips had a similar arrangement under a Dutch law called the Corvo
Law, whereby in an emergency it could divide itself into two parts, which it
did when the Germans invaded: one with its HQ in Germany and the other
American. Both these parts got large military contracts during the war,
playing a role on both sides (Aaronovitch 1961, pp. 110-11). Unilever's
financial advisers are the US investment bank Lazard Freres, which handles
the private financial affairs of many of the world's wealthy families,
including the Agnellis of Fiat. (See Koenig, 1990, Reich. 1983, Business
Week June 18 1984).
. and.
Koenig, Peter 'A prince among bankers who wears Lazard's triple crown'
Independent on Sunday, 11 February 1990

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/lehman.html excerpt:
Herbert Henry Lehman was born on March 28, 1878, in New York City, the son
of Barbara and Mayer Lehman, who were German Reform Jews. After graduating
from college, he entered the business community and joined Lehman Brothers,
an investment banking house that had been trans- formed from a cotton
brokerage firm by his brother, Arthur. In 1910, Herbert Lehman married Edith
Louise Altschul, the daughter of the head of the New York branch of Lazard
Freres, a respected Paris-based banking house.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/enter/books/fc/graham.htm excerpt:
My paternal grandfather, named Marc Eugene Meyer, but always called Eugene,
was born in 1842 in Strasbourg, the youngest of four children by his
father's second wife. When his father died, his mother was left penniless,
and Eugene could stay in school only until the age of fourteen; then, as his
siblings had already done, he went to work to help support the family. He
first worked for two Blum brothers who owned one store in Alsace and
another -- improbably -- in Donaldsonville, Mississippi, and when one of
young Eugene's bosses said he was going to America, my grandfather decided
to go with him. In Paris, on the way, he was introduced by Blum to Alexandre
Lazard of the firm of Lazard Freres, who gave him an introduction to their
San Francisco partner. Eugene traveled to New York on the fastest boat
going, a side-wheeler, for a third-class fare of $110, leaving Europe in
September 1859. From New York he took a steamship to Panama, crossed the
Isthmus by rail, and then caught another steamer to San Francisco, at that
time a city of fifty thousand or so people. He spent two years there,
learning English and saving a little money from his job at an auction house,
until 

[CTRL] chemtrails series, Asheville Tribune

2000-01-05 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave



http://www.ashevilletribune.com/
The Asheville Tribune
Contrails series
http://www.ashevilletribune.com/contrails.htm
---
NOTE: Local contrail pictures were published with the print version of the
report in Vol. 3, No. 22, of The Asheville Tribune ~ Weekly News Magazine.
---
Article I of the Tribune's Investigative Series   Published June 07, 1999
http://www.ashevilletribune.com/contrails1.htm
NEW "AIR QUALITY" THREAT SEEN
By Dana Davis, The Asheville Tribune

"Not a cloud in the sky." When is the last time you can remember using that
phrase? For many of us living in the continental United States, a truly
clear sky has become a thing of the past. Is this due to the industrialized
society that our nation has become? Yes, in part, but what about Montana,
Idaho, and Western North Carolina for that matter? What about the quiet
neighborhoods and otherwise undisturbed wildlife throughout the United
States whose skies are being tainted with clouds which cannot be defined by
any meteorologist?

The answer is contrails. Contrails are the white/silver cloud-like exhaust
from airplanes that are visible from the ground. Normal contrails from
commercial planes dissipate and vanish into air. That's nothing new.

What is new is the abnormally thick contrails appearing with great frequency
as of late from non-commercial planes. These planes are obviously not
commercial jets because they fly together in tight formations too close to
comply with Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regulations.

And they often fly in grid patterns and mark X's in the sky with the
contrails they leave behind.

The contrails these suspicious planes produce do not immediately dissipate.
Instead, they linger across the sky and, after several hours, spread out
into what appears to be cloud coverage hovering over us in the sky
throughout the day.

If you have not noticed them, it is probably because you thought you were
seeing clouds, but quite often, on what would be an otherwise clear day,
contrails create a partly cloudy atmosphere. And when there are already
clouds in the sky, contrails simply blend in with the atmosphere, making
them even less detectable.

However, quite a few weary observers have taken notice of the suspicious
contrails zig-zagging and eventually blanketing the sky. In fact, several
websites have formed that are devoted to the research of this bizarre and
mysterious trend which has become somewhat of a fixture throughout the U.S.

As a result, some unconfirmed theories have come forth which could help to
shed some light on the matter. An influx of respiratory illnesses have been
reported in areas of heavy contrail activity. Meningitis outbreaks have
occurred in several states recently -- North Carolina being one of them.
Some who believe they have fallen ill as a direct result of the contrails
say the ailments they suffer from are not unlike symptoms of some types of
biological warfare. Meanwhile, William Thomas, a veteran award-winning
journalist, notes that toll-free tracking numbers across the country are
asking people to come forward for tests and treatment -- "if they qualify
with specific symptoms incurred within a specific time period within a
specific radius of exposure."

Shocking as this may sound, it should be noted that U.S. government
experiments have been conducted on the American population before. For
example, just last year the federal government made a public apology for
secretly exposing select men to a painful, contagious and uncurable sexually
transmitted disease just to study the effects.

According to Thomas, two U.S. Senate investigations in 1977 and 1994
document decades of open air biowarfare testing over the American and
Canadian public.

Thomas gives a few examples among hundreds of US cities which he says have
been the target of open air experiments:

In 1950, the U.S. Navy sprayed a cloud of Serratia marcescens bacteria over
San Francisco. Monitoring devices tested the extent of infection as many
residents fell ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.

In 1966 the U.S. Army dispensed Bacillus subtilis variant Niger throughout
the New York City subway system. More than a million New Yorkers were
exposed. And Minneapolis was hit with the same disease causing bacteria 20
years later in 1997.

United States Code - Title 50 - War and National Defense Chapter 32 -
Chemical and Biological Warfare Program Sec. 1520 - Biowarfare
experimentation on the American public - states that the Secretary of
Defense may not conduct any test or experiment involving the use of a
chemical or "biological agent" on a civilian population...except for
research and law enforcement purposes, including any purpose related to riot
control.

This same U.S. Code defines "biological agent" as "Any micro-organism
(including bacteria, viruses, fungi, rickettsiac, or protozoa), pathogen, or

[CTRL] Fw: China's Plans?

2000-01-05 Thread Nicky Molloy

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thursday, 6 January 2000 16:04
Subject: China's Plans?


Forwarded for Your information:

Found in Jane's Defense Weekly -

China doubling up arms purchases from Russia:

China has entered into negotiations with Russia for the purchase of more
fighter aircraft, warships and submarines to add to its growing arsenal of
Russian arms.

Diplomatic sources in Beijing have told Jane's Defence Weekly that China is
seeking to buy a second batch of 40 Sukhoi Su-30MKK fighters to supplement
its initial order for 40 aircraft, which was finalised in August.

...These deals, if concluded, would represent a significant increase in the
PLA's air and naval capabilities. Such assets would considerably enhance
China's area denial capabilities, especially in the East China Sea where
serious tensions exist with Taiwan.



Link to article: http://jdw.janes.com/


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This is one of many recent purchases that have some people wondering what
China is up to. In the past, China has preferred building their own
technological advances into the hulk of surplus equipment, and the last few
years have seen an intensive development towards indiginous designs. This is
somewhat of a turn around. They seem to be going for a quick build now.

Although still pressing for joint development, they seem to be on a spending
spree in relation to Air Denial and SLOC equipment. The SU-30 M (M for
export
class) is considered a superb *ahem* possibly the best multi-role fighter on
the market (stomped all over us at the last Paris Air Show) and carries some
of the newest and most advanced anti-ship/air-to surface missiles in Russian
manufacture. It doubles as a good air-superiority platform, an unusual
flexible tube on the engines gives the flaps an extra 15 degree vector
thrust
making fast turns appears as if the fighter can stop and turn in midair.
Similarly, the Sovremenny Class, though older (think big thick bulkheads) is
considered a floating missile platform for short and medium range anti-ship
missiles, as well as strong anti-air capabilities.

Looks like someones getting ready for a quick sprint across some
straights...

Just a thought.

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[CTRL] NEVER STAND DOWN!! WE SHALL NOT!!

2000-01-05 Thread lloyd

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From: Mark A. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:  NEVER STAND DOWN!!  WE SHALL NOT!!
Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 1:47 PM

 From Norm Olson,

  Rather than answer point-by-point the lengthy asertions of
  those who have found a new vision for 2000 and beyond,  let me
  reiterate the principles of the solid foundation on which the
  militia and patriot movement has been built.

  1st.  The militia is not a, "INVENTION, " it is a development.  The
  militia was born when we felt the danger of tyranny.  It was not
  "created" as something novel or unique.  It EMERGED from the
  body of the people as a NATURAL response to the preceived
  threat to ourselves, our property, our liberty, and our posterity.
  We can no more "uncreate" the militia than alter the response
  of ordinary people to a threat.  (This I covered at length in my
  essay, "The Militia Movement - From Where I Stand" . . . send
  on request to anyone interested.)  The militia cannot just "go away"
  until justice and peace and security allow it reside once again the
  the body of the people.

  2nd. The militia movement has developed to a level of
  great potentiality.  That is, we have prepared!  Semper Vigilio, Semper
  Paratus. The militia was never the ONLY vehicle to win our liberty,
  but rather one of several methods available to serve in the
  struggle.  The militia alone is ADJUNT to other, more subtle
  methods of winning over the hearts and minds of the people. The
  militia may force open the door of change, but it will never
  enter. The change will come from a feeling among the body politic
  that change is necessary.  The militia can only attempt to assure
  that that change is finally made.  The militia is NOT the only means
  to the end.  It is one of many.  Until that change is made, the militia
  will not only be NECESSARY, it will be be impossible to expunge!

  3rd. There are some who wish to dismantle the militia, or to
  "dismiss" the need for the militia in this post 2000 era.   I cannot
  stress with enough forcefulness the error of any such suggestion!
  The militia must GROW and ORGANIZE.  The militia has been the
  brunt of unnumbered criticisms and jokes and accusations.
  There are those who tease us by saying that we are foolish to
  organize and elect leaders and to prepare.  I would say that our
  presence may be a joke to those whose private agendas find no place
  for us, but WE ARE NOT A JOKE TO THE CORRUPT REGIME OF POWER
  IN WASHINGTON   We are a threat to be contended with.   SO BE IT!!!

  These criticisms, from people whose loyalties are in question, only
  provide
  support to the origin of the militia.  At it's genesis, the militia
  stood against tyranny, the abuse of power, the corruption of
  government, and the injustice of a regime that has evacuated
  God!  Nothing has changed!  The militia is needed more NOW
  than ever before.  Those who say we should go away only ignite
  within us a greater desire to remain!   Try to do away with us with your
  words OR YOUR ARMS and we will only grow stronger and remain
  more resilient against your droning criticisms...  Your words are but
  noise to us! Your criticisms strengthen us!  Your laughter gives us
  power!  Your mocking provides for us the energy to dare great things!

  For the record, I'm not in favor of disbanding the militia or
  breaking it apart.  Rather, I support the creation of
  stronger nation/state identity.  I'd be pleased to see
  a strong militia organization in all the states, governed
  by the people of that state.  The National Guards have
  been prostituted to the President and no longer are
  loyal to the states.  The militia must stand where the
  National Guard once stood before it lost its backbone and
  laid itself for the pleasure of the President who has found
  pleasure in many he has laid!   The National Guard is
  a PROSTITUTE of PRESIDENT WILLIAM JEFFERSON
  CLINTON...

  For the record:
  I want to see more training, more organization, more
  interoperational support between units in the states.
  I'd like to see meetings that would bring hundreds of
  uniformed leaders together for the MUTUAL cause of
  liberty.

  I want to see tens of thousands of militia IN UNIFORM
  with their weapons, arrayed on the field of battle, READY
  to take up arms against tyranny, injustice, corruption,
  abuse of power, and wickedness in office.

  Do away with the militia?   NOT ON MY LIFE!   I will
  never capitulate, never concede, never surrender,
  never apologize, never compromise what has been
  been given to me to begin!!!

  Stand with me America!  Stand with me Patriots!
  Stand with me Militia! Close your ears and your
  eyes to those who say stand down...


  NEVER STAND DOWN!

  Look into the cradle and into the crib...
  Look into