Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Hello Dee, On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 2:32 AM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm almost sure the problem is this: > > http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2601 > > http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/23 > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekiga/+bug/112948 > > > > Regards, > > Yannick > > > I reported to bugtrack that the patch for report 2601 does not > fix the crash I report, nor does it remove the assert error I am > getting. I don't know wheather you saw the report I gave, but when I removed PulseVideo from my system, it corrected my problem. At least testing with 500, but have not tested with another user. Peaceed -- Edward Dunagin-Dunigan Bozeman, MT 59718 mobile 406-570-0992 Landline 406-556-7282 VOIP:sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://doas.montanalinux.org ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
> I'm almost sure the problem is this: > http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2601 > http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/23 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekiga/+bug/112948 > > Regards, > Yannick I reported to bugtrack that the patch for report 2601 does not fix the crash I report, nor does it remove the assert error I am getting. Dee _ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 21:58 +0200, Damien Sandras a écrit : > Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 13:53 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 12:14 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:23 AM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any > > > maintainer for > > > > > > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > > > > > > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it > > > worked on > > > > > Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There > > > just are > > > > > not that many people using Linux. > > > > > > > > > > What is required to be a maintainer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I must unfortunately report that after I offered Dee help, I tried to > > > > bring up Ekiga again and it crashes. > > > > I do remember doing an apt-get update and upgrade in the last few > > > > days and ,(again) if I remember there was an ALSA and PulseAudio > > > > upgrade. I think this is my problem and I am going to try and > > > > downgrade those two programs. > > > > > > You could also try to isolate the problem and fix it, either in Ekiga or > > > in Pulseaudio. > > > > I removed pulseaudio from my system and now Ekiga is ok. Tested it > > with 500 and audio and videoare fine. I have not tested it with a live > > user. > > I have read that bug in their bugtracker and it seems that pulseaudio > guys fixed the problem. Notice that I just installed PulseAudio from Debian unstable with libasound2-plugins 1.0.16 and it works well. The only problem is that it increases latency from 40ms in normal conditions to 340ms using PulseAudio. Not sure it is normal but I would not recommend using it :( -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 13:53 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 12:14 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > > > > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:23 AM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer > > for > > > > > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > > > > > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop > > it. > > > > > > > > Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it > > worked on > > > > Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There just > > are > > > > not that many people using Linux. > > > > > > > > What is required to be a maintainer? > > > > > > > > > > I must unfortunately report that after I offered Dee help, I tried to > > > bring up Ekiga again and it crashes. > > > I do remember doing an apt-get update and upgrade in the last few > > > days and ,(again) if I remember there was an ALSA and PulseAudio > > > upgrade. I think this is my problem and I am going to try and > > > downgrade those two programs. > > > > You could also try to isolate the problem and fix it, either in Ekiga or > > in Pulseaudio. > > I removed pulseaudio from my system and now Ekiga is ok. Tested it > with 500 and audio and videoare fine. I have not tested it with a live > user. I have read that bug in their bugtracker and it seems that pulseaudio guys fixed the problem. > VOIP:sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:5063;transport=udp Your VoIP address is actually sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 13:53 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > I removed pulseaudio from my system and now Ekiga is ok. Tested it > with 500 and audio and videoare fine. I have not tested it with a live > user. I'm almost sure the problem is this: http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2601 http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/23 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekiga/+bug/112948 Regards, Yannick -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Logiciel de VoIP Ekiga : http://www.ekiga.org http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Which_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 12:14 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:23 AM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer > for > > > > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > > > > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop it. > > > > > > Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it worked > on > > > Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There just are > > > not that many people using Linux. > > > > > > What is required to be a maintainer? > > > > > > > I must unfortunately report that after I offered Dee help, I tried to > > bring up Ekiga again and it crashes. > > I do remember doing an apt-get update and upgrade in the last few > > days and ,(again) if I remember there was an ALSA and PulseAudio > > upgrade. I think this is my problem and I am going to try and > > downgrade those two programs. > > You could also try to isolate the problem and fix it, either in Ekiga or > in Pulseaudio. I removed pulseaudio from my system and now Ekiga is ok. Tested it with 500 and audio and videoare fine. I have not tested it with a live user. Peace...ed Edward Dunagin-Dunigan Bozeman, MT 59718 mobile 406-570-0992 Landline 406-556-7282 VOIP:sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:5063;transport=udp http://doas.montanalinux.org ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 12:14 -0600, Edward Dunagin a écrit : > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:23 AM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer for > > > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > > > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop it. > > > > Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it worked on > > Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There just are > > not that many people using Linux. > > > > What is required to be a maintainer? > > > > I must unfortunately report that after I offered Dee help, I tried to > bring up Ekiga again and it crashes. > I do remember doing an apt-get update and upgrade in the last few > days and ,(again) if I remember there was an ALSA and PulseAudio > upgrade. I think this is my problem and I am going to try and > downgrade those two programs. You could also try to isolate the problem and fix it, either in Ekiga or in Pulseaudio. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 15:23 +, D Webb a écrit : > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer > for > > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop > it. > > Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it > worked on > Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There just > are > not that many people using Linux. Ekiga is a SIP software, there are other SIP software available on Windows. > What is required to be a maintainer? Being a developer able to fix bugs, propose patches, compile, add missing features that exist on Linux but not on windows. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:23 AM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer for > > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop it. > > Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it worked on > Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There just are > not that many people using Linux. > > What is required to be a maintainer? > I must unfortunately report that after I offered Dee help, I tried to bring up Ekiga again and it crashes. I do remember doing an apt-get update and upgrade in the last few days and ,(again) if I remember there was an ALSA and PulseAudio upgrade. I think this is my problem and I am going to try and downgrade those two programs. Edward Dunagin-Dunigan Bozeman, MT 59718 mobile 406-570-0992 Landline 406-556-7282 VOIP:sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:5063;transport=udp http://doas.montanalinux.org ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
> The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer for > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop it. Ouch! I guess that basically kills Ekiga. Its appeal was that it worked on Linux and Windows which greatly increased its versatility. There just are not that many people using Linux. What is required to be a maintainer? Dee _ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 10:28 +0200, Damien Sandras a écrit : > Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 00:01 +, D Webb a écrit : > > > > proving to offer the best sound quality, but many people are > > > > having problems > > > > getting it to work reliably. I have been trying Ekiga 2.0.11 > > > > that > > > > > > We rarely get crash reports... My advice might be biased, but Ekiga > > has > > > always had a good reputation of stability and reliability. > > > -- > > > _ Damien Sandras > > > > I think this is because you have been re-directing bug reports to > > other > > software like alsa-lib, which I reported. However, alsa-lib is pretty > > much > > standard on all Linux distros. So if Ekiga is crashing because of a > > conflict with alsa-lib, regardless of where the fault lies, Ekiga > > won't > > work reliably under Linux without some kind of changes. I have yet > > to see Ekiga work with Linux (default Slackware 12.0 install + Gnome) > > or FreeBSD 7.0, although a friend finally did get it to work under > > Windows. > > The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer for > it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a > maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop it. > > As for the Linux version, I do not think I can agree with you about the > numerous instability problems you describe. > > I agree the ALSA problem is annoying and is reported by several people > (that is our number 1 bug). > > The problem is that nobody having the problem can fix it and ALSA > developers do not seem to care about it. The ALSA plugin has been there > several years and was working perfectly until they did some change in > the library and triggered that bug. > > Have you tried using the very latest libasound2 version ? Also, does it occur with both sound devices (Default and direct access to the sound card) ? -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 00:01 +, D Webb a écrit : > > > proving to offer the best sound quality, but many people are > > > having problems > > > getting it to work reliably. I have been trying Ekiga 2.0.11 > > > that > > > > We rarely get crash reports... My advice might be biased, but Ekiga > has > > always had a good reputation of stability and reliability. > > -- > > _ Damien Sandras > > I think this is because you have been re-directing bug reports to > other > software like alsa-lib, which I reported. However, alsa-lib is pretty > much > standard on all Linux distros. So if Ekiga is crashing because of a > conflict with alsa-lib, regardless of where the fault lies, Ekiga > won't > work reliably under Linux without some kind of changes. I have yet > to see Ekiga work with Linux (default Slackware 12.0 install + Gnome) > or FreeBSD 7.0, although a friend finally did get it to work under > Windows. The Windows version is beta software. We do not have any maintainer for it (I even removed it from the website). If we can not find a maintainer, that means there is no interest for it, so we can drop it. As for the Linux version, I do not think I can agree with you about the numerous instability problems you describe. I agree the ALSA problem is annoying and is reported by several people (that is our number 1 bug). The problem is that nobody having the problem can fix it and ALSA developers do not seem to care about it. The ALSA plugin has been there several years and was working perfectly until they did some change in the library and triggered that bug. Have you tried using the very latest libasound2 version ? Have you tried debugging the problem ? > ALSA. There are plenty of people around here who have tried and > failed, > so it is clear there are problems. I guess I could ask around for > specifics Yes, please ask them to tell us, because we rarely have crash reports (except for the ALSA thing). -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
> I am running UbuntuStudio 7.10 and Ekiga 2.0.11. > I have a little trouble with the audio at times but usually can work > it out to the point of carrying on a conversation. Video has worked > fine on my system as well. Many time I suspect the mic on both ends. > Mine has been stepped on but I intend to invest in a good one that I > can snap to my collar. This is yet another report of success with Ubuntu and Ekiga 2.0.11. I now know of one person who got Ekiga to work on Slackware. This was a separate build on a Slackware box that I think he said was not dependent on Gnome that i have yet to locate. I will look into UbuntuStudio 7.10 as well, not sure what that is as compared to Ubuntu distro. Thanks for the tip Me, I am in Sweden. It is believed most Linux users are pretty much everywhere on the planet except USA. Great to see Ubuntu in Montana. Dee _ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Hello D, On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 6:01 PM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > proving to offer the best sound quality, but many people are > > > having problems > > > getting it to work reliably. I have been trying Ekiga 2.0.11 > > > that > > > > We rarely get crash reports... My advice might be biased, but Ekiga has > > always had a good reputation of stability and reliability. > > -- > > _ Damien Sandras > > I think this is because you have been re-directing bug reports to other > software like alsa-lib, which I reported. However, alsa-lib is pretty much > standard on all Linux distros. So if Ekiga is crashing because of a > conflict with alsa-lib, regardless of where the fault lies, Ekiga won't > work reliably under Linux without some kind of changes. I have yet > to see Ekiga work with Linux (default Slackware 12.0 install + Gnome) > or FreeBSD 7.0, although a friend finally did get it to work under Windows. > I know of one report of someone getting Ekiga to work under Ubuntu, > and I am thinking to give that a try, although I do not yet understand why > the distribution would make a difference, assuming they are all using > ALSA. There are plenty of people around here who have tried and failed, > so it is clear there are problems. I guess I could ask around for specifics > from others. I already reported the alsa-lib problem. I certainly do not > want > to detract in any way from your hard work. Ekiga looks like great > software. I am running UbuntuStudio 7.10 and Ekiga 2.0.11. I have a little trouble with the audio at times but usually can work it out to the point of carrying on a conversation. Video has worked fine on my system as well. Many time I suspect the mic on both ends. Mine has been stepped on but I intend to invest in a good one that I can snap to my collar. I an running a P4 with 1GB of ram and 122GB H.D. Lets see if we can't get together on Ekiga and work out your problems. I am in Montana USA with Mounton time. Peaceed -- Edward Dunagin-Dunigan Bozeman, MT 59718 mobile 406-570-0992 Landline 406-556-7282 VOIP:sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:5063;transport=udp http://doas.montanalinux.org ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
> > proving to offer the best sound quality, but many people are > > having problems > > getting it to work reliably. I have been trying Ekiga 2.0.11 > > that > > We rarely get crash reports... My advice might be biased, but Ekiga has > always had a good reputation of stability and reliability. > -- > _ Damien Sandras I think this is because you have been re-directing bug reports to other software like alsa-lib, which I reported. However, alsa-lib is pretty much standard on all Linux distros. So if Ekiga is crashing because of a conflict with alsa-lib, regardless of where the fault lies, Ekiga won't work reliably under Linux without some kind of changes. I have yet to see Ekiga work with Linux (default Slackware 12.0 install + Gnome) or FreeBSD 7.0, although a friend finally did get it to work under Windows. I know of one report of someone getting Ekiga to work under Ubuntu, and I am thinking to give that a try, although I do not yet understand why the distribution would make a difference, assuming they are all using ALSA. There are plenty of people around here who have tried and failed, so it is clear there are problems. I guess I could ask around for specifics from others. I already reported the alsa-lib problem. I certainly do not want to detract in any way from your hard work. Ekiga looks like great software. Dee _ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Le samedi 29 mars 2008 à 15:28 +, D Webb a écrit : [...] > proving to offer the best sound quality, but many people are > having problems > getting it to work reliably. I have been trying Ekiga 2.0.11 > that We rarely get crash reports... My advice might be biased, but Ekiga has always had a good reputation of stability and reliability. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Hello, I follow the discussion with great interst. I use Skype and VoIPBuster a lot, because the children and family of my wife live in the States, Australia and China. However, until now I am not able to get Ekiga working. The webcam is not working, and I found out that I have to pay for the calls using Ekiga. (home phoners/fixed). Question: I am a real newbee, any reamrks concerning the items I wrote above. Please comment. HAns Minekus - There are a lot of VoIP programs out there these days. I decided to follow Ekiga because I support the open software concept. Ekiga has thus far been offered to the world as a very generous gift. Of the programs I have tested, Ekiga is proving to offer the best sound quality, but many people are having problems getting it to work reliably. I have been trying Ekiga 2.0.11 that comes with recent distro of Gnome under Linux Slackware 12.0 and kernel 2.6.21. I have not yet complete success yet with this OS or FreeBSD 7.0. I also failed to get it to work under Windows, but this might only be because of some mis-understandings. I think you need to install GTK+ to get it to work in Windows, but following the chage-logs, I got idea Ekiga should not depend on GTK because there were some comments about removing the error message about requiring GTK. What OS are you using? Others, There is no error, I actually have gotten very good sound quality with a 56K modem. Ekiga is crashing for now and I am trying to solve this. However, I can say with great certainty the sound quality has been very good when Ekiga does not crash. Interesting point that Skype was originally described as working well with no more than a modem connection. I have never once experienced that. It seems Ekiga has some efficiency that ends up benefiting the end user in terms of efficiency and sound quality, which is why I want to see this go. Dee _ Watch “Cause Effect,” a show about real people making a real difference. Learn more. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
2008/3/29, Edward Dunagin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 7:13 AM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This is rather new desktop computer I would think can handle > anything > > Core2Duo > > 2.0 Ghz and 2 Gig memory. Latest hardware and Linux Slackware 12.0 and > Ekiga > > 2.0.11. Connection is 56K modem. I knew for a while Skype can be real > choppy > > on > > a modem connection, but wanted to see if this would also be true with > other > > VoIP > > software. I was REALLY surprised sound quality with Ekiga was same as > > regular phone, > > and vastly better than Skype. I am very sure of this. I have repeated it > a > > number of > > times. For the moment, there are still problems with Ekiga crashing, but > > that is > > separate matter that I hope to solve. When Ekiga has not crashed, sound > is > > really good, > > despite also having a webcam. Hello, I follow the discussion with great interst. I use Skype and VoIPBuster a lot, because the children and family of my wife live in the States, Australia and China. However, until now I am not able to get Ekiga working. The webcam is not working, and I found out that I have to pay for the calls using Ekiga. (home phoners/fixed). Question: I am a real newbee, any reamrks concerning the items I wrote above. Please comment. HAns Minekus Hello Dee, > > WOW a 56 K modem connection. Ekiga gives me audio fits when video > works and I have a broadband connection. > > Peace.ed > > snip* > > > > Edward Dunagin-Dunigan-Dunnigan > Bozeman, MT 59718 > mobile 406-570-0992 > Landline 406-556-7282 > VOIP:sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:5063;transport=udp > http://doas.montanalinux.org > > ___ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > -- thank you for your message will answer asap j.minekus ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype (D Webb)
--- D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:26:30 +0100 > > To: ekiga-list@gnome.org > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype (D Webb) > > > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:00:38PM +, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... > > > same equipment Skype is choppy, Ekiga VoIP streams about as well as a > > > regular phone. Any thought on how/why? in the present case, it is exactly > > > the > > > same hardware/software and internet connection. > > > > remember that skype is a p2p app while ekiga acts as client for a server. > > Hah, didn't know Skype was p2p, I always thought it was also going through > a server since there is a login. Thanks for your thoughts, as they are > insightful. > > Dee > Skype can at its own discretion decide to use your connection to route traffic of somebody else. Ekiga, I think, has adjustable jitter buffer, which sometimes really improves quality at the expense of latency. Skype uses pretty wide band codec; Ekiga gives you a choice, so bandwidth can be better utilized. Regards, Sergei. Applications From Scratch: http://appsfromscratch.berlios.de/ No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype (D Webb)
> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:26:30 +0100 > To: ekiga-list@gnome.org > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype (D Webb) > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:00:38PM +, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > > same equipment Skype is choppy, Ekiga VoIP streams about as well as a > > regular phone. Any thought on how/why? in the present case, it is exactly > > the > > same hardware/software and internet connection. > > remember that skype is a p2p app while ekiga acts as client for a server. Hah, didn't know Skype was p2p, I always thought it was also going through a server since there is a login. Thanks for your thoughts, as they are insightful. Dee _ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 7:13 AM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is rather new desktop computer I would think can handle anything > Core2Duo > 2.0 Ghz and 2 Gig memory. Latest hardware and Linux Slackware 12.0 and Ekiga > 2.0.11. Connection is 56K modem. I knew for a while Skype can be real choppy > on > a modem connection, but wanted to see if this would also be true with other > VoIP > software. I was REALLY surprised sound quality with Ekiga was same as > regular phone, > and vastly better than Skype. I am very sure of this. I have repeated it a > number of > times. For the moment, there are still problems with Ekiga crashing, but > that is > separate matter that I hope to solve. When Ekiga has not crashed, sound is > really good, > despite also having a webcam. Hello Dee, WOW a 56 K modem connection. Ekiga gives me audio fits when video works and I have a broadband connection. Peace.ed snip* Edward Dunagin-Dunigan-Dunnigan Bozeman, MT 59718 mobile 406-570-0992 Landline 406-556-7282 VOIP:sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:5063;transport=udp http://doas.montanalinux.org ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype (D Webb)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:00:38PM +, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > same equipment Skype is choppy, Ekiga VoIP streams about as well as a > regular phone. Any thought on how/why? in the present case, it is exactly the > same hardware/software and internet connection. remember that skype is a p2p app while ekiga acts as client for a server. In skype you've no control on number of connections it makes to other nodes, nor how much bandwith it takes up; and skype's streams are encrypted, which means longer drops may occur in case of channel congestion. Moreover, if all goes 'well', your instance may act as a 'supernode' hence taking most of your bw. In some situations, all the rest been equal, such cases may lead to poor performance on the channel you're talking. There are likely other possible explanations for what you see, these are just a few points. -- paolo GPG/PGP id:0x3A47DE45 - B5F9 AAA0 44BD 2B63 81E0 971F C6C0 0B87 3A47 DE45 - 9/11: the outrageous deception and ongoing coverup: http://911review.org - ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
This is rather new desktop computer I would think can handle anything Core2Duo 2.0 Ghz and 2 Gig memory. Latest hardware and Linux Slackware 12.0 and Ekiga 2.0.11. Connection is 56K modem. I knew for a while Skype can be real choppy on a modem connection, but wanted to see if this would also be true with other VoIP software. I was REALLY surprised sound quality with Ekiga was same as regular phone, and vastly better than Skype. I am very sure of this. I have repeated it a number of times. For the moment, there are still problems with Ekiga crashing, but that is separate matter that I hope to solve. When Ekiga has not crashed, sound is really good, despite also having a webcam. Dee > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:30:07 +0100 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: ekiga-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype > > Maybe because Skype requires more CPU ? Which hardware power was it ? > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:11 PM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think I should mention that I have tinkered with a number of VoIP > > programs > > and have been comparing. One reason to stick with Ekiga was that when it > > works, the sound stream seems to be more efficient than Skype. While on > > same equipment Skype is choppy, Ekiga VoIP streams about as well as a > > regular phone. Any thought on how/why? in the present case, it is exactly > > the > > same hardware/software and internet connection. > > > > dee > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. > > ___ > > ekiga-list mailing list > > ekiga-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > > > > > > -- > %<--->% > Michel memeteau > Blog 0.2 : http://memeteau.free.fr > Fixe : 0874763294 Mobile : 0624808051 > VOIP | Visio: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > jabber/GoogleTalk : xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list _ Watch “Cause Effect,” a show about real people making a real difference. Learn more. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
Maybe because Skype requires more CPU ? Which hardware power was it ? On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:11 PM, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think I should mention that I have tinkered with a number of VoIP > programs > and have been comparing. One reason to stick with Ekiga was that when it > works, the sound stream seems to be more efficient than Skype. While on > same equipment Skype is choppy, Ekiga VoIP streams about as well as a > regular phone. Any thought on how/why? in the present case, it is exactly > the > same hardware/software and internet connection. > > dee > > > Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. > ___ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > -- %<--->% Michel memeteau Blog 0.2 : http://memeteau.free.fr Fixe : 0874763294 Mobile : 0624808051 VOIP | Visio: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber/GoogleTalk : xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
[Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype
I think I should mention that I have tinkered with a number of VoIP programs and have been comparing. One reason to stick with Ekiga was that when it works, the sound stream seems to be more efficient than Skype. While on same equipment Skype is choppy, Ekiga VoIP streams about as well as a regular phone. Any thought on how/why? in the present case, it is exactly the same hardware/software and internet connection. dee _ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
