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We're talking competition. People that move their businesses over seas, do so to produce a product that they can sell at a competitive price. They don't have near the tax burden, unions to deal with, Obamacare, OSHA, EPA and other regulations. It's just cheaper to open a manufacturing business over seas in many instances.Some businesses can make a profit here. From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Oh no, I get it. You think Trump is supposed to be a charity and pay more than market forces, which no business can do and be profitable, thus going out of business and losing all of it's workers and investments.. Trump is wanting to change the laws, trade deals, to encourage businesses to stay here, so the jobs remain as well as the investments. Meanwhile, he has to play by the rules that congress created. You are just proving my point again and again - you don't get it. BTW, you don't believe/think that any corporation or company who produces their goods here in America are, currently, able to be profitable? And what, exactly, are these "rules that congress created" that doesn't allow Trump to hire American workers? What laws would he break to do so? You make it sound as if he will be guilty of some crime if he gets his merchandise made Stateside. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : WTDF?How about this? Ann declares Trump is a hypocrite because he takes advantage of laws that congress has created for business. He is a businessman intent on making money legally, as defined by congress but in order to make money, he has to compete with others doing the same, on the same level playing field based in market forces. His businesses are to make money, not to be a charity.Let me ask then. Are Democrats hypocrites for demanding that the rich pay higher taxes because the government needs more income, while failing to *voluntarily* pay more themselves? Why shouldn't they go on and pay in tax, what they think everyone else *should* be paying?You know, set the example. Lead by example. Are they hypocrites to use the loopholes and deductions that they created so that they don't have to pay what their *fair share*? I knew you wouldn't get it, Mike. I rest my case. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn WTF?? >From whom must Ann obtain permission to express her opinions? And who grants you permission to express yours? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Who are you to say what a person would and should ever do? What/who gives you that authority? Trump is an experienced business man. That is what he does. He creates businesses which in turn creates jobs. He doesn't create businesses or jobs as a charity but to make money. But he knows what it takes. How many businesses/jobs has Hillary or Obama created. I'll tell you, zero, zip,zilch, nada. Nor have any of their advisors. This is the difference. Hillary,Obama and their crew are card dealers. They don't play the game. They just deal the cards, how they want to. Trump takes the cards and makes the most of what he has been dealt. BTW, Trump knows when he has been dealt from *under* the deck. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No Ann, you're missing the point. He knows how to get things done. He makes use of what he's given. You hear the expression *if life gives you a lemon, make lemonade out of it!* He knows how to accomplish what he sets out to do, given the tools available. Yes, he could make his own products here by himself and compete with those using China or Mexico with current trade laws. Or he could change the trade deals so that its favorable for others to do the same, making it more competitive to be made in America. A person who really believes in something (ie, let's support American workers by actually hiring them) would never, ever - for the sake of a buck - abandon those beliefs and have their (in this case) merchandise manufactured elsewhere. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It is a simple point, an elementary logical question, given the context. Are you this stubborn or dense or simply willing to tolerate blatant hypocrisy? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To:
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It's not a moot point. Many businesses outsourced for many reasons. In many cases the US wasn't producing the people with skills that were needed. It wasn't all about cheaper workers. I'm not a Trump fan but he and Sanders are on the same page about some things. Clinton will just say whatever will get her elected and do whatever she wants if she gets the office whether the public likes it or not. Your dad may have outsourced for very practical reasons. Same with Trump. What Trump and Sanders want is to stop outsourcing just to save companies money. You can do that by taxing them for outsourcing. Absolutely. But it is not moot in the sense that Trump is running on a platform of "hire America" and keep production stateside while simultaneously he has been outsourcing since 2006. I am just wondering what gives? And talk about saying what the voters want to hear... correction: it IS moot (about my father or anyone else for that matter who isn't running on a platform of keep jobs in America). On 07/01/2016 06:29 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yahoo is being funky this morning so it won't let me show the message I am replying to but in answer to your question about whether Kraft Corp back in the 70's and part of the 80's (when my father was actually CEO) outsourced its products is moot. He was not running for President of the US and espousing that he would make America Great Again by ensuring that all goods should be made in America. In other words, he wasn't a hypocrite on this subject. BTW, I am not saying that outsourcing product production or labor is a bad thing. I have, all along, just pointed out that Trump is one big fat hypocrite. Mike seems unable to grasp this point and now this seems lost on you as well.
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Substantial overview interview of Obama on NPR this morning. NPR's Interview With President Obama About 'Obama's Years' http://www.npr.org/2016/07/01/483273808/nprs-interview-with-president-obama-about-obamas-years http://www.npr.org/2016/07/01/483273808/nprs-interview-with-president-obama-about-obamas-years NPR's Interview With President Obama About '... http://www.npr.org/2016/07/01/483273808/nprs-interview-with-president-obama-about-obamas-years Steve Inskeep interviews President Obama on NPR's radio special, the "Obama Years," about how Americans have fared since 2008. He also discuss... View on www.npr.org http://www.npr.org/2016/07/01/483273808/nprs-interview-with-president-obama-about-obamas-years Preview by Yahoo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It's not a moot point. Many businesses outsourced for many reasons. In many cases the US wasn't producing the people with skills that were needed. It wasn't all about cheaper workers. I'm not a Trump fan but he and Sanders are on the same page about some things. Clinton will just say whatever will get her elected and do whatever she wants if she gets the office whether the public likes it or not. Your dad may have outsourced for very practical reasons. Same with Trump. What Trump and Sanders want is to stop outsourcing just to save companies money. You can do that by taxing them for outsourcing. Absolutely. But it is not moot in the sense that Trump is running on a platform of "hire America" and keep production stateside while simultaneously he has been outsourcing since 2006. I am just wondering what gives? And talk about saying what the voters want to hear... On 07/01/2016 06:29 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yahoo is being funky this morning so it won't let me show the message I am replying to but in answer to your question about whether Kraft Corp back in the 70's and part of the 80's (when my father was actually CEO) outsourced its products is moot. He was not running for President of the US and espousing that he would make America Great Again by ensuring that all goods should be made in America. In other words, he wasn't a hypocrite on this subject. BTW, I am not saying that outsourcing product production or labor is a bad thing. I have, all along, just pointed out that Trump is one big fat hypocrite. Mike seems unable to grasp this point and now this seems lost on you as well.
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The tech sector pushes this stuff to stay in business. It's crazy as it creates throw away technology. And people are too obsessed about their gadgets. I develop for them but I hardly ever use my smartphone for calls, it's mainly for testing apps on a piece of hardware. Society is very vata these days. On 06/30/2016 08:34 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: That in cultural remedy to the disintegrating agitated values of this techno-gadget materialism people do need to be out in nature, plant gardens and trees, be with animals, walk out in nature, do their spiritual practices that stabilize their systems, and get away from their gadgets. And, to help integrate themselves find points to help others. That this mental agitation of the subtle system is now a world-wide problem that must be tackled directly for everyone’s and the world's well-being. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yep. And product/gadget technologies that are destabilizing to the human system, without cultivated or deeper spiritual discernments of what the gadgets do to us.. A lot of this cultural consumerism, materialism, seems to suffer from the dis-integrated perspective of a lacking evident in perspective of spiritual experience. Yep, suffering in poor modeling, ignorance in poor spiritual education and guidance, and a consequent cultural lack of spiritual discipline. It seemed to be a conspiracy to put as many people as possible into debt for wage slavery. Ah say, ah say .. there's just too much consumin' goin' on. I think one of the problems is that we've become a consumer nation. Everybody has to have the latest gadget/technology now, whether they can afford it or not! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Remember the housing bubble? Get everyone into a house... whether they can afford it or not. Not sure you can completely blame the banks though. They were under pressure to lend to people that couldn't afford a house. If they didn't , they were racist! Hopefully there would be enough good loans to make up for the bad ones. *From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn What that means is the current standard of living is artificial and inflated because it is using too much credit putting people into debt. Learned my lesson on this going into debt to do the TM-Sidhis course. Quit the music gig I had to do another gig that fell through and that put me into financial straits for a couple years. I learned to use credit wisely paying off the balance most the time unless I really do need to amortize something within my means. Living in the SF Bay Area I could understand rising housing prices. In 2000 my apartment rent for a 1 bedroom den cost about as much as a house payment so bought a house instead. Housing prices continued to go on the rise because many communities in the Bay Area blocked new housing. But there was actually no reason for housing prices to rise across much of the US including in the small ho-dunk town I grew up in. It seemed to be a conspiracy to put as many people as possible into debt for wage slavery. On 06/30/2016 02:39 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com <mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think one of the problems is that we've become a consumer nation. Everybody has to have the latest gadget/technology now, whether they can afford it or not! So, they borrow and borrow to get what they want, end up in enormous debt. Nobody has any savings. Yeah, it revs up an economy but with nothing to run on once it's rev'd. Banks used to use peoples savings to lend and make their profits. Now there aren't any savings to use. They go to the Fed who just prints it up, making it worthless in the long run. Ah say, ah say .. there's just too much consumin' goin' on. *From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net <mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net> [FairfieldLife]" <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:42 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The US economy has progressively become more and more lopsided in favor of the rich ever since the Reagan administration. Improvements have not raised everyone's
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It's not a moot point. Many businesses outsourced for many reasons. In many cases the US wasn't producing the people with skills that were needed. It wasn't all about cheaper workers. I'm not a Trump fan but he and Sanders are on the same page about some things. Clinton will just say whatever will get her elected and do whatever she wants if she gets the office whether the public likes it or not. Your dad may have outsourced for very practical reasons. Same with Trump. What Trump and Sanders want is to stop outsourcing just to save companies money. You can do that by taxing them for outsourcing. On 07/01/2016 06:29 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yahoo is being funky this morning so it won't let me show the message I am replying to but in answer to your question about whether Kraft Corp back in the 70's and part of the 80's (when my father was actually CEO) outsourced its products is moot. He was not running for President of the US and espousing that he would make America Great Again by ensuring that all goods should be made in America. In other words, he wasn't a hypocrite on this subject. BTW, I am not saying that outsourcing product production or labor is a bad thing. I have, all along, just pointed out that Trump is one big fat hypocrite. Mike seems unable to grasp this point and now this seems lost on you as well.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Oh no, I get it. You think Trump is supposed to be a charity and pay more than market forces, which no business can do and be profitable, thus going out of business and losing all of it's workers and investments.. Trump is wanting to change the laws, trade deals, to encourage businesses to stay here, so the jobs remain as well as the investments. Meanwhile, he has to play by the rules that congress created. You are just proving my point again and again - you don't get it. BTW, you don't believe/think that any corporation or company who produces their goods here in America are, currently, able to be profitable? And what, exactly, are these "rules that congress created" that doesn't allow Trump to hire American workers? What laws would he break to do so? You make it sound as if he will be guilty of some crime if he gets his merchandise made Stateside. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : WTDF? How about this? Ann declares Trump is a hypocrite because he takes advantage of laws that congress has created for business. He is a businessman intent on making money legally, as defined by congress but in order to make money, he has to compete with others doing the same, on the same level playing field based in market forces. His businesses are to make money, not to be a charity. Let me ask then. Are Democrats hypocrites for demanding that the rich pay higher taxes because the government needs more income, while failing to *voluntarily* pay more themselves? Why shouldn't they go on and pay in tax, what they think everyone else *should* be paying?You know, set the example. Lead by example. Are they hypocrites to use the loopholes and deductions that they created so that they don't have to pay what their *fair share*? I knew you wouldn't get it, Mike. I rest my case. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn WTF?? From whom must Ann obtain permission to express her opinions? And who grants you permission to express yours? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Who are you to say what a person would and should ever do? What/who gives you that authority? Trump is an experienced business man. That is what he does. He creates businesses which in turn creates jobs. He doesn't create businesses or jobs as a charity but to make money. But he knows what it takes. How many businesses/jobs has Hillary or Obama created. I'll tell you, zero, zip,zilch, nada. Nor have any of their advisors. This is the difference. Hillary,Obama and their crew are card dealers. They don't play the game. They just deal the cards, how they want to. Trump takes the cards and makes the most of what he has been dealt. BTW, Trump knows when he has been dealt from *under* the deck. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No Ann, you're missing the point. He knows how to get things done. He makes use of what he's given. You hear the expression *if life gives you a lemon, make lemonade out of it!* He knows how to accomplish what he sets out to do, given the tools available. Yes, he could make his own products here by himself and compete with those using China or Mexico with current trade laws. Or he could change the trade deals so that its favorable for others to do the same, making it more competitive to be made in America. A person who really believes in something (ie, let's support American workers by actually hiring them) would never, ever - for the sake of a buck - abandon those beliefs and have their (in this case) merchandise manufactured elsewhere. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It is a simple point, an elementary logical question, given the context. Are you this stubborn or dense or simply willing to tolerate blatant hypocrisy? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course no gun was held to his head. He's a businessman and successful businessmen use the *system* encouraged and created by congress, including tax laws to make a profit. MIKE, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. HE IS A HYPOCRITE. WHEN DO YOU THINK HE DECIDED THAT KEEPING JOBS IN AMERICA WAS A GOOD THING, SOMETHING HE WANTS TO ENC
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Oh no, I get it. You think Trump is supposed to be a charity and pay more than market forces, which no business can do and be profitable, thus going out of business and losing all of it's workers and investments.. Trump is wanting to change the laws, trade deals, to encourage businesses to stay here, so the jobs remain as well as the investments. Meanwhile, he has to play by the rules that congress created. From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : WTDF?How about this? Ann declares Trump is a hypocrite because he takes advantage of laws that congress has created for business. He is a businessman intent on making money legally, as defined by congress but in order to make money, he has to compete with others doing the same, on the same level playing field based in market forces. His businesses are to make money, not to be a charity.Let me ask then. Are Democrats hypocrites for demanding that the rich pay higher taxes because the government needs more income, while failing to *voluntarily* pay more themselves? Why shouldn't they go on and pay in tax, what they think everyone else *should* be paying?You know, set the example. Lead by example. Are they hypocrites to use the loopholes and deductions that they created so that they don't have to pay what their *fair share*? I knew you wouldn't get it, Mike. I rest my case. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn WTF?? >From whom must Ann obtain permission to express her opinions? And who grants you permission to express yours? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Who are you to say what a person would and should ever do? What/who gives you that authority? Trump is an experienced business man. That is what he does. He creates businesses which in turn creates jobs. He doesn't create businesses or jobs as a charity but to make money. But he knows what it takes. How many businesses/jobs has Hillary or Obama created. I'll tell you, zero, zip,zilch, nada. Nor have any of their advisors. This is the difference. Hillary,Obama and their crew are card dealers. They don't play the game. They just deal the cards, how they want to. Trump takes the cards and makes the most of what he has been dealt. BTW, Trump knows when he has been dealt from *under* the deck. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No Ann, you're missing the point. He knows how to get things done. He makes use of what he's given. You hear the expression *if life gives you a lemon, make lemonade out of it!* He knows how to accomplish what he sets out to do, given the tools available. Yes, he could make his own products here by himself and compete with those using China or Mexico with current trade laws. Or he could change the trade deals so that its favorable for others to do the same, making it more competitive to be made in America. A person who really believes in something (ie, let's support American workers by actually hiring them) would never, ever - for the sake of a buck - abandon those beliefs and have their (in this case) merchandise manufactured elsewhere. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It is a simple point, an elementary logical question, given the context. Are you this stubborn or dense or simply willing to tolerate blatant hypocrisy? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course no gun was held to his head. He's a businessman and successful businessmen use the *system* encouraged and created by congress, including tax laws to make a profit. MIKE, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. HE IS A HYPOCRITE. WHEN DO YOU THINK HE DECIDED THAT KEEPING JOBS IN AMERICA WAS A GOOD THING, SOMETHING HE WANTS TO ENCOURAGE? OR, DO YOU THINK HE NEVER GAVE A SHIT AND STILL DOESN'T BUT HE IS SIMPLY LYING TO FOOL PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING HIM AND VOTING FOR HIM? WHEN DO YOU THINK HE HAD HIS 'CONVERSION' TO WANTING TO 'MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN' AND CAME TO BELIEVE CLOSING ALL LOOPHOLES OR DISALLOWING MONETARY GAIN AS A RESULT OF PRODUCING OFFSHORE CAME ABOUT AND WHY? DO YOU THINK WHEN HE DOESN'T BECOME PRESIDENT HE WILL STOP MAKING HIS CRAPPY PRODUCTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES? DO YOU HAVE $1000 TO WAGER? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To:
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : WTDF? How about this? Ann declares Trump is a hypocrite because he takes advantage of laws that congress has created for business. He is a businessman intent on making money legally, as defined by congress but in order to make money, he has to compete with others doing the same, on the same level playing field based in market forces. His businesses are to make money, not to be a charity. Let me ask then. Are Democrats hypocrites for demanding that the rich pay higher taxes because the government needs more income, while failing to *voluntarily* pay more themselves? Why shouldn't they go on and pay in tax, what they think everyone else *should* be paying?You know, set the example. Lead by example. Are they hypocrites to use the loopholes and deductions that they created so that they don't have to pay what their *fair share*? I knew you wouldn't get it, Mike. I rest my case. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn WTF?? From whom must Ann obtain permission to express her opinions? And who grants you permission to express yours? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Who are you to say what a person would and should ever do? What/who gives you that authority? Trump is an experienced business man. That is what he does. He creates businesses which in turn creates jobs. He doesn't create businesses or jobs as a charity but to make money. But he knows what it takes. How many businesses/jobs has Hillary or Obama created. I'll tell you, zero, zip,zilch, nada. Nor have any of their advisors. This is the difference. Hillary,Obama and their crew are card dealers. They don't play the game. They just deal the cards, how they want to. Trump takes the cards and makes the most of what he has been dealt. BTW, Trump knows when he has been dealt from *under* the deck. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No Ann, you're missing the point. He knows how to get things done. He makes use of what he's given. You hear the expression *if life gives you a lemon, make lemonade out of it!* He knows how to accomplish what he sets out to do, given the tools available. Yes, he could make his own products here by himself and compete with those using China or Mexico with current trade laws. Or he could change the trade deals so that its favorable for others to do the same, making it more competitive to be made in America. A person who really believes in something (ie, let's support American workers by actually hiring them) would never, ever - for the sake of a buck - abandon those beliefs and have their (in this case) merchandise manufactured elsewhere. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It is a simple point, an elementary logical question, given the context. Are you this stubborn or dense or simply willing to tolerate blatant hypocrisy? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course no gun was held to his head. He's a businessman and successful businessmen use the *system* encouraged and created by congress, including tax laws to make a profit. MIKE, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. HE IS A HYPOCRITE. WHEN DO YOU THINK HE DECIDED THAT KEEPING JOBS IN AMERICA WAS A GOOD THING, SOMETHING HE WANTS TO ENCOURAGE? OR, DO YOU THINK HE NEVER GAVE A SHIT AND STILL DOESN'T BUT HE IS SIMPLY LYING TO FOOL PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING HIM AND VOTING FOR HIM? WHEN DO YOU THINK HE HAD HIS 'CONVERSION' TO WANTING TO 'MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN' AND CAME TO BELIEVE CLOSING ALL LOOPHOLES OR DISALLOWING MONETARY GAIN AS A RESULT OF PRODUCING OFFSHORE CAME ABOUT AND WHY? DO YOU THINK WHEN HE DOESN'T BECOME PRESIDENT HE WILL STOP MAKING HIS CRAPPY PRODUCTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES? DO YOU HAVE $1000 TO WAGER? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, he said he has. He also says he didn't set up the system. There is no "system" and no one is forcing him to make his baubles overseas. I know many manufacturers who have felt strongly enough about making their goods on this Continent that they have continued to do so. I have no problem with companies employing people in poorer countries to make North American
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WTDF?How about this? Ann declares Trump is a hypocrite because he takes advantage of laws that congress has created for business. He is a businessman intent on making money legally, as defined by congress but in order to make money, he has to compete with others doing the same, on the same level playing field based in market forces. His businesses are to make money, not to be a charity.Let me ask then. Are Democrats hypocrites for demanding that the rich pay higher taxes because the government needs more income, while failing to *voluntarily* pay more themselves? Why shouldn't they go on and pay in tax, what they think everyone else *should* be paying?You know, set the example. Lead by example. Are they hypocrites to use the loopholes and deductions that they created so that they don't have to pay what their *fair share*? From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn WTF?? >From whom must Ann obtain permission to express her opinions? And who grants you permission to express yours? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Who are you to say what a person would and should ever do? What/who gives you that authority? Trump is an experienced business man. That is what he does. He creates businesses which in turn creates jobs. He doesn't create businesses or jobs as a charity but to make money. But he knows what it takes. How many businesses/jobs has Hillary or Obama created. I'll tell you, zero, zip,zilch, nada. Nor have any of their advisors. This is the difference. Hillary,Obama and their crew are card dealers. They don't play the game. They just deal the cards, how they want to. Trump takes the cards and makes the most of what he has been dealt. BTW, Trump knows when he has been dealt from *under* the deck. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No Ann, you're missing the point. He knows how to get things done. He makes use of what he's given. You hear the expression *if life gives you a lemon, make lemonade out of it!* He knows how to accomplish what he sets out to do, given the tools available. Yes, he could make his own products here by himself and compete with those using China or Mexico with current trade laws. Or he could change the trade deals so that its favorable for others to do the same, making it more competitive to be made in America. A person who really believes in something (ie, let's support American workers by actually hiring them) would never, ever - for the sake of a buck - abandon those beliefs and have their (in this case) merchandise manufactured elsewhere. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It is a simple point, an elementary logical question, given the context. Are you this stubborn or dense or simply willing to tolerate blatant hypocrisy? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course no gun was held to his head. He's a businessman and successful businessmen use the *system* encouraged and created by congress, including tax laws to make a profit. MIKE, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. HE IS A HYPOCRITE. WHEN DO YOU THINK HE DECIDED THAT KEEPING JOBS IN AMERICA WAS A GOOD THING, SOMETHING HE WANTS TO ENCOURAGE? OR, DO YOU THINK HE NEVER GAVE A SHIT AND STILL DOESN'T BUT HE IS SIMPLY LYING TO FOOL PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING HIM AND VOTING FOR HIM? WHEN DO YOU THINK HE HAD HIS 'CONVERSION' TO WANTING TO 'MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN' AND CAME TO BELIEVE CLOSING ALL LOOPHOLES OR DISALLOWING MONETARY GAIN AS A RESULT OF PRODUCING OFFSHORE CAME ABOUT AND WHY? DO YOU THINK WHEN HE DOESN'T BECOME PRESIDENT HE WILL STOP MAKING HIS CRAPPY PRODUCTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES? DO YOU HAVE $1000 TO WAGER? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, he said he has. He also says he didn't set up the system. There is no "system" and no one is forcing him to make his baubles overseas. I know many manufacturers who have felt strongly enough about making their goods on this Continent that they have continued to do so. I have no problem with companies employing people in poorer countries to make North American goods but I do have a problem with hypocrites like Trump who say one thing and do another. Who sells a big fat lie to the American people while n
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Lost on me?? I beg your pardon? I was defending your right to express your opinions. Mike seems to think you need some sort of higher authorization to do so. Take another look, please. It was Barry 2's post 428483. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yahoo is being funky this morning so it won't let me show the message I am replying to but in answer to your question about whether Kraft Corp back in the 70's and part of the 80's (when my father was actually CEO) outsourced its products is moot. He was not running for President of the US and espousing that he would make America Great Again by ensuring that all goods should be made in America. In other words, he wasn't a hypocrite on this subject. BTW, I am not saying that outsourcing product production or labor is a bad thing. I have, all along, just pointed out that Trump is one big fat hypocrite. Mike seems unable to grasp this point and now this seems lost on you as well.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Lost on me?? I beg your pardon? I was defending your right to express your opinions. Mike seems to think you need some sort of higher authorization to do so. Take another look, please. I was replying to Bhairitu's post, not yours, Judy. Sorry, but Yahoo wouldn't let me show the post I was replying to so I had to miss including it in my reply. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yahoo is being funky this morning so it won't let me show the message I am replying to but in answer to your question about whether Kraft Corp back in the 70's and part of the 80's (when my father was actually CEO) outsourced its products is moot. He was not running for President of the US and espousing that he would make America Great Again by ensuring that all goods should be made in America. In other words, he wasn't a hypocrite on this subject. BTW, I am not saying that outsourcing product production or labor is a bad thing. I have, all along, just pointed out that Trump is one big fat hypocrite. Mike seems unable to grasp this point and now this seems lost on you as well.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Who are you to say what a person would and should ever do? What/who gives you that authority? Trump is an experienced business man. That is what he does. He creates businesses which in turn creates jobs. He doesn't create businesses or jobs as a charity but to make money. But he knows what it takes. How many businesses/jobs has Hillary or Obama created. I'll tell you, zero, zip,zilch, nada. Nor have any of their advisors. This is the difference. Hillary,Obama and their crew are card dealers. They don't play the game. They just deal the cards, how they want to. Trump takes the cards and makes the most of what he has been dealt. BTW, Trump knows when he has been dealt from *under* the deck. Haha, you are funny today. It has nothing to do with authority, Mike. It has to do with not being hoodwinked or missing the salient point here on what Trump is doing. Let's see if I can make it any clearer. Donald is the person who condemns everyone for having undermined American jobs and their ability to make a decent wage because US companies have outsourced. Got it so far? Now, this same Donald is, as we speak, having millions of dollars worth of his products made NOT IN THE USA. Still with me? So, how do you reconcile Donald, the Presidential candidate, excoriating the Corporations and the Government about this, meanwhile Donald doing exactly what he condemns others for doing? It is like someone talking about how immoral murder is while simultaneously bludgeoning his neighbor to death as he speaks. I have a feeling you're still not going to "get it". From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No Ann, you're missing the point. He knows how to get things done. He makes use of what he's given. You hear the expression *if life gives you a lemon, make lemonade out of it!* He knows how to accomplish what he sets out to do, given the tools available. Yes, he could make his own products here by himself and compete with those using China or Mexico with current trade laws. Or he could change the trade deals so that its favorable for others to do the same, making it more competitive to be made in America. A person who really believes in something (ie, let's support American workers by actually hiring them) would never, ever - for the sake of a buck - abandon those beliefs and have their (in this case) merchandise manufactured elsewhere. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It is a simple point, an elementary logical question, given the context. Are you this stubborn or dense or simply willing to tolerate blatant hypocrisy? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course no gun was held to his head. He's a businessman and successful businessmen use the *system* encouraged and created by congress, including tax laws to make a profit. MIKE, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. HE IS A HYPOCRITE. WHEN DO YOU THINK HE DECIDED THAT KEEPING JOBS IN AMERICA WAS A GOOD THING, SOMETHING HE WANTS TO ENCOURAGE? OR, DO YOU THINK HE NEVER GAVE A SHIT AND STILL DOESN'T BUT HE IS SIMPLY LYING TO FOOL PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING HIM AND VOTING FOR HIM? WHEN DO YOU THINK HE HAD HIS 'CONVERSION' TO WANTING TO 'MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN' AND CAME TO BELIEVE CLOSING ALL LOOPHOLES OR DISALLOWING MONETARY GAIN AS A RESULT OF PRODUCING OFFSHORE CAME ABOUT AND WHY? DO YOU THINK WHEN HE DOESN'T BECOME PRESIDENT HE WILL STOP MAKING HIS CRAPPY PRODUCTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES? DO YOU HAVE $1000 TO WAGER? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, he said he has. He also says he didn't set up the system. There is no "system" and no one is forcing him to make his baubles overseas. I know many manufacturers who have felt strongly enough about making their goods on this Continent that they have continued to do so. I have no problem with companies employing people in poorer countries to make North American goods but I do have a problem with hypocrites like Trump who say one thing and do another. Who sells a big fat lie to the American people while not supporting one iota anything he says. So don't give me any bunk about any "system" - no gun was held to Trump's head to move offshore with his products. From: "authfriend@... [Fairf
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Lost on me?? I beg your pardon? I was defending your right to express your opinions. Mike seems to think you need some sort of higher authorization to do so. Take another look, please. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yahoo is being funky this morning so it won't let me show the message I am replying to but in answer to your question about whether Kraft Corp back in the 70's and part of the 80's (when my father was actually CEO) outsourced its products is moot. He was not running for President of the US and espousing that he would make America Great Again by ensuring that all goods should be made in America. In other words, he wasn't a hypocrite on this subject. BTW, I am not saying that outsourcing product production or labor is a bad thing. I have, all along, just pointed out that Trump is one big fat hypocrite. Mike seems unable to grasp this point and now this seems lost on you as well.
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Yahoo is being funky this morning so it won't let me show the message I am replying to but in answer to your question about whether Kraft Corp back in the 70's and part of the 80's (when my father was actually CEO) outsourced its products is moot. He was not running for President of the US and espousing that he would make America Great Again by ensuring that all goods should be made in America. In other words, he wasn't a hypocrite on this subject. BTW, I am not saying that outsourcing product production or labor is a bad thing. I have, all along, just pointed out that Trump is one big fat hypocrite. Mike seems unable to grasp this point and now this seems lost on you as well.
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WTF?? From whom must Ann obtain permission to express her opinions? And who grants you permission to express yours? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Who are you to say what a person would and should ever do? What/who gives you that authority? Trump is an experienced business man. That is what he does. He creates businesses which in turn creates jobs. He doesn't create businesses or jobs as a charity but to make money. But he knows what it takes. How many businesses/jobs has Hillary or Obama created. I'll tell you, zero, zip,zilch, nada. Nor have any of their advisors. This is the difference. Hillary,Obama and their crew are card dealers. They don't play the game. They just deal the cards, how they want to. Trump takes the cards and makes the most of what he has been dealt. BTW, Trump knows when he has been dealt from *under* the deck. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No Ann, you're missing the point. He knows how to get things done. He makes use of what he's given. You hear the expression *if life gives you a lemon, make lemonade out of it!* He knows how to accomplish what he sets out to do, given the tools available. Yes, he could make his own products here by himself and compete with those using China or Mexico with current trade laws. Or he could change the trade deals so that its favorable for others to do the same, making it more competitive to be made in America. A person who really believes in something (ie, let's support American workers by actually hiring them) would never, ever - for the sake of a buck - abandon those beliefs and have their (in this case) merchandise manufactured elsewhere. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It is a simple point, an elementary logical question, given the context. Are you this stubborn or dense or simply willing to tolerate blatant hypocrisy? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course no gun was held to his head. He's a businessman and successful businessmen use the *system* encouraged and created by congress, including tax laws to make a profit. MIKE, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. HE IS A HYPOCRITE. WHEN DO YOU THINK HE DECIDED THAT KEEPING JOBS IN AMERICA WAS A GOOD THING, SOMETHING HE WANTS TO ENCOURAGE? OR, DO YOU THINK HE NEVER GAVE A SHIT AND STILL DOESN'T BUT HE IS SIMPLY LYING TO FOOL PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING HIM AND VOTING FOR HIM? WHEN DO YOU THINK HE HAD HIS 'CONVERSION' TO WANTING TO 'MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN' AND CAME TO BELIEVE CLOSING ALL LOOPHOLES OR DISALLOWING MONETARY GAIN AS A RESULT OF PRODUCING OFFSHORE CAME ABOUT AND WHY? DO YOU THINK WHEN HE DOESN'T BECOME PRESIDENT HE WILL STOP MAKING HIS CRAPPY PRODUCTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES? DO YOU HAVE $1000 TO WAGER? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, he said he has. He also says he didn't set up the system. There is no "system" and no one is forcing him to make his baubles overseas. I know many manufacturers who have felt strongly enough about making their goods on this Continent that they have continued to do so. I have no problem with companies employing people in poorer countries to make North American goods but I do have a problem with hypocrites like Trump who say one thing and do another. Who sells a big fat lie to the American people while not supporting one iota anything he says. So don't give me any bunk about any "system" - no gun was held to Trump's head to move offshore with his products. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Practices He Now Scorns http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Pract... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html As a businessman, Mr. Trump has relied on the type of cheap foreign labor that he vows to clamp down on if elected president. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoog
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That in cultural remedy to the disintegrating agitated values of this techno-gadget materialism people do need to be out in nature, plant gardens and trees, be with animals, walk out in nature, do their spiritual practices that stabilize their systems, and get away from their gadgets. And, to help integrate themselves find points to help others. That this mental agitation of the subtle system is now a world-wide problem that must be tackled directly for everyone’s and the world's well-being. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yep. And product/gadget technologies that are destabilizing to the human system, without cultivated or deeper spiritual discernments of what the gadgets do to us.. A lot of this cultural consumerism, materialism, seems to suffer from the dis-integrated perspective of a lacking evident in perspective of spiritual experience. Yep, suffering in poor modeling, ignorance in poor spiritual education and guidance, and a consequent cultural lack of spiritual discipline. It seemed to be a conspiracy to put as many people as possible into debt for wage slavery. Ah say, ah say .. there's just too much consumin' goin' on. I think one of the problems is that we've become a consumer nation. Everybody has to have the latest gadget/technology now, whether they can afford it or not! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Remember the housing bubble? Get everyone into a house... whether they can afford it or not. Not sure you can completely blame the banks though. They were under pressure to lend to people that couldn't afford a house. If they didn't , they were racist! Hopefully there would be enough good loans to make up for the bad ones. From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn What that means is the current standard of living is artificial and inflated because it is using too much credit putting people into debt. Learned my lesson on this going into debt to do the TM-Sidhis course. Quit the music gig I had to do another gig that fell through and that put me into financial straits for a couple years. I learned to use credit wisely paying off the balance most the time unless I really do need to amortize something within my means. Living in the SF Bay Area I could understand rising housing prices. In 2000 my apartment rent for a 1 bedroom den cost about as much as a house payment so bought a house instead. Housing prices continued to go on the rise because many communities in the Bay Area blocked new housing. But there was actually no reason for housing prices to rise across much of the US including in the small ho-dunk town I grew up in. It seemed to be a conspiracy to put as many people as possible into debt for wage slavery. On 06/30/2016 02:39 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think one of the problems is that we've become a consumer nation. Everybody has to have the latest gadget/technology now, whether they can afford it or not! So, they borrow and borrow to get what they want, end up in enormous debt. Nobody has any savings. Yeah, it revs up an economy but with nothing to run on once it's rev'd. Banks used to use peoples savings to lend and make their profits. Now there aren't any savings to use. They go to the Fed who just prints it up, making it worthless in the long run. Ah say, ah say .. there's just too much consumin' goin' on. From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The US economy has progressively become more and more lopsided in favor of the rich ever since the Reagan administration. Improvements have not raised everyone's boat. Some solutions are poor like raising the minimum wage won't help a lot since businesses will just increase their prices (usually way too much) to compensate. Minimum wage jobs were intended for students and part time casual and unskilled workers. Even then back in the day one could still rent a house (or even buy), afford a car, dine out, go to movies on a minimum wage income. No more. Greed took over. As far as I can see the only solution is a total economic collapse taking out the rich as well. Basically a reboot of the economy. On 06/29/2016 10:11 PM, mailto:rajawilliamsmith@yahoo.comrajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com mailto:rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more mone
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Who are you to say what a person would and should ever do? What/who gives you that authority? Trump is an experienced business man. That is what he does. He creates businesses which in turn creates jobs. He doesn't create businesses or jobs as a charity but to make money. But he knows what it takes. How many businesses/jobs has Hillary or Obama created. I'll tell you, zero, zip,zilch, nada. Nor have any of their advisors. This is the difference. Hillary,Obama and their crew are card dealers. They don't play the game. They just deal the cards, how they want to. Trump takes the cards and makes the most of what he has been dealt. BTW, Trump knows when he has been dealt from *under* the deck. From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No Ann, you're missing the point. He knows how to get things done. He makes use of what he's given. You hear the expression *if life gives you a lemon, make lemonade out of it!* He knows how to accomplish what he sets out to do, given the tools available. Yes, he could make his own products here by himself and compete with those using China or Mexico with current trade laws. Or he could change the trade deals so that its favorable for others to do the same, making it more competitive to be made in America. A person who really believes in something (ie, let's support American workers by actually hiring them) would never, ever - for the sake of a buck - abandon those beliefs and have their (in this case) merchandise manufactured elsewhere. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It is a simple point, an elementary logical question, given the context. Are you this stubborn or dense or simply willing to tolerate blatant hypocrisy? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course no gun was held to his head. He's a businessman and successful businessmen use the *system* encouraged and created by congress, including tax laws to make a profit. MIKE, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. HE IS A HYPOCRITE. WHEN DO YOU THINK HE DECIDED THAT KEEPING JOBS IN AMERICA WAS A GOOD THING, SOMETHING HE WANTS TO ENCOURAGE? OR, DO YOU THINK HE NEVER GAVE A SHIT AND STILL DOESN'T BUT HE IS SIMPLY LYING TO FOOL PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING HIM AND VOTING FOR HIM? WHEN DO YOU THINK HE HAD HIS 'CONVERSION' TO WANTING TO 'MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN' AND CAME TO BELIEVE CLOSING ALL LOOPHOLES OR DISALLOWING MONETARY GAIN AS A RESULT OF PRODUCING OFFSHORE CAME ABOUT AND WHY? DO YOU THINK WHEN HE DOESN'T BECOME PRESIDENT HE WILL STOP MAKING HIS CRAPPY PRODUCTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES? DO YOU HAVE $1000 TO WAGER? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, he said he has. He also says he didn't set up the system. There is no "system" and no one is forcing him to make his baubles overseas. I know many manufacturers who have felt strongly enough about making their goods on this Continent that they have continued to do so. I have no problem with companies employing people in poorer countries to make North American goods but I do have a problem with hypocrites like Trump who say one thing and do another. Who sells a big fat lie to the American people while not supporting one iota anything he says. So don't give me any bunk about any "system" - no gun was held to Trump's head to move offshore with his products. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Practices He Now Scorns | | | | | | Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Pract... As a businessman, Mr. Trump has relied on the type of cheap foreign labor that he vows to clamp down on if elected president. | | | View on www.nytimes.com| Preview by Yahoo | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs
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So your dad never offshored? Business people just do what is good for their bottom line. The way you solve this is by taxing corporations heavily for offshoring. Make it worthwhile to bring manufacturing back. They'll wince because Jimmy down the street isn't as reliable a Xin Wu in China. On 06/30/2016 07:49 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No Ann, you're missing the point. He knows how to get things done. He makes use of what he's given. You hear the expression *if life gives you a lemon, make lemonade out of it!* He knows how to accomplish what he sets out to do, given the tools available. Yes, he could make his own products here by himself and compete with those using China or Mexico with current trade laws. Or he could change the trade deals so that its favorable for others to do the same, making it more competitive to be made in America. A person who really believes in something (ie, let's support American workers by actually hiring them) would never, ever - for the sake of a buck - abandon those beliefs and have their (in this case) merchandise manufactured elsewhere. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It is a simple point, an elementary logical question, given the context. Are you this stubborn or dense or simply willing to tolerate blatant hypocrisy? *From:* "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course no gun was held to his head. He's a businessman and successful businessmen use the *system* encouraged and created by congress, including tax laws to make a profit. MIKE, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. HE IS A HYPOCRITE. WHEN DO YOU THINK HE DECIDED THAT KEEPING JOBS IN AMERICA WAS A GOOD THING, SOMETHING HE WANTS TO ENCOURAGE? OR, DO YOU THINK HE NEVER GAVE A SHIT AND STILL DOESN'T BUT HE IS SIMPLY LYING TO FOOL PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING HIM AND VOTING FOR HIM? WHEN DO YOU THINK HE HAD HIS 'CONVERSION' TO WANTING TO 'MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN' AND CAME T! O BELIEVE CLOSING ALL LOOPHOLES OR DISALLOWING MONETARY GAIN AS A RESULT OF PRODUCING OFFSHORE CAME ABOUT AND WHY? DO YOU THINK WHEN HE DOESN'T BECOME PRESIDENT HE WILL STOP MAKING HIS CRAPPY PRODUCTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES? DO YOU HAVE $1000 TO WAGER? *From:* "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, he said he has. He also says he didn't set up the system. There is no "system" and no one is forcing him to make his baubles overseas. I know many manufacturers who have felt strongly enough about making their goods on this Continent that they have continued to do so. I have no problem with companies employing people in poorer countries to make North American goods but I do have a problem with hypocrites like Trump who say one thing and do another. Who sells a big fat lie to the American people while not supporting one iota anything he says. So don't give me any bunk about any "system" -! no gun was held to Trump's head to move offshore with his products. *From:* "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:10 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Practices He Now Scorns <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html> image <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html> Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Pract... <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html> As a businessman, Mr. Trump has relied on the type of cheap forei! gn labor that he vows to clamp down on if elected president. View on www.nytimes.com <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html> Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation,
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Yep. And product/gadget technologies that are destabilizing to the human system, without cultivated or deeper spiritual discernments of what the gadgets do to us. A lot of this cultural consumerism, materialism, seems to suffer from the dis-integrated perspective of a lacking evident perspective of spiritual experience. Yep, suffering in poor modeling, ignorance in poor spiritual education and guidance, and a consequent cultural lack of spiritual discipline. It seemed to be a conspiracy to put as many people as possible into debt for wage slavery. Ah say, ah say .. there's just too much consumin' goin' on. I think one of the problems is that we've become a consumer nation. Everybody has to have the latest gadget/technology now, whether they can afford it or not! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Remember the housing bubble? Get everyone into a house... whether they can afford it or not. Not sure you can completely blame the banks though. They were under pressure to lend to people that couldn't afford a house. If they didn't , they were racist! Hopefully there would be enough good loans to make up for the bad ones. From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn What that means is the current standard of living is artificial and inflated because it is using too much credit putting people into debt. Learned my lesson on this going into debt to do the TM-Sidhis course. Quit the music gig I had to do another gig that fell through and that put me into financial straits for a couple years. I learned to use credit wisely paying off the balance most the time unless I really do need to amortize something within my means. Living in the SF Bay Area I could understand rising housing prices. In 2000 my apartment rent for a 1 bedroom den cost about as much as a house payment so bought a house instead. Housing prices continued to go on the rise because many communities in the Bay Area blocked new housing. But there was actually no reason for housing prices to rise across much of the US including in the small ho-dunk town I grew up in. It seemed to be a conspiracy to put as many people as possible into debt for wage slavery. On 06/30/2016 02:39 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think one of the problems is that we've become a consumer nation. Everybody has to have the latest gadget/technology now, whether they can afford it or not! So, they borrow and borrow to get what they want, end up in enormous debt. Nobody has any savings. Yeah, it revs up an economy but with nothing to run on once it's rev'd. Banks used to use peoples savings to lend and make their profits. Now there aren't any savings to use. They go to the Fed who just prints it up, making it worthless in the long run. Ah say, ah say .. there's just too much consumin' goin' on. From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The US economy has progressively become more and more lopsided in favor of the rich ever since the Reagan administration. Improvements have not raised everyone's boat. Some solutions are poor like raising the minimum wage won't help a lot since businesses will just increase their prices (usually way too much) to compensate. Minimum wage jobs were intended for students and part time casual and unskilled workers. Even then back in the day one could still rent a house (or even buy), afford a car, dine out, go to movies on a minimum wage income. No more. Greed took over. As far as I can see the only solution is a total economic collapse taking out the rich as well. Basically a reboot of the economy. On 06/29/2016 10:11 PM, mailto:rajawilliamsmith@yahoo.comrajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com mailto:rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No Ann, you're missing the point. He knows how to get things done. He makes use of what he's given. You hear the expression *if life gives you a lemon, make lemonade out of it!* He knows how to accomplish what he sets out to do, given the tools available. Yes, he could make his own products here by himself and compete with those using China or Mexico with current trade laws. Or he could change the trade deals so that its favorable for others to do the same, making it more competitive to be made in America. A person who really believes in something (ie, let's support American workers by actually hiring them) would never, ever - for the sake of a buck - abandon those beliefs and have their (in this case) merchandise manufactured elsewhere. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It is a simple point, an elementary logical question, given the context. Are you this stubborn or dense or simply willing to tolerate blatant hypocrisy? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course no gun was held to his head. He's a businessman and successful businessmen use the *system* encouraged and created by congress, including tax laws to make a profit. MIKE, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. HE IS A HYPOCRITE. WHEN DO YOU THINK HE DECIDED THAT KEEPING JOBS IN AMERICA WAS A GOOD THING, SOMETHING HE WANTS TO ENCOURAGE? OR, DO YOU THINK HE NEVER GAVE A SHIT AND STILL DOESN'T BUT HE IS SIMPLY LYING TO FOOL PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING HIM AND VOTING FOR HIM? WHEN DO YOU THINK HE HAD HIS 'CONVERSION' TO WANTING TO 'MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN' AND CAME TO BELIEVE CLOSING ALL LOOPHOLES OR DISALLOWING MONETARY GAIN AS A RESULT OF PRODUCING OFFSHORE CAME ABOUT AND WHY? DO YOU THINK WHEN HE DOESN'T BECOME PRESIDENT HE WILL STOP MAKING HIS CRAPPY PRODUCTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES? DO YOU HAVE $1000 TO WAGER? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, he said he has. He also says he didn't set up the system. There is no "system" and no one is forcing him to make his baubles overseas. I know many manufacturers who have felt strongly enough about making their goods on this Continent that they have continued to do so. I have no problem with companies employing people in poorer countries to make North American goods but I do have a problem with hypocrites like Trump who say one thing and do another. Who sells a big fat lie to the American people while not supporting one iota anything he says. So don't give me any bunk about any "system" - no gun was held to Trump's head to move offshore with his products. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Practices He Now Scorns http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Pract... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html As a businessman, Mr. Trump has relied on the type of cheap foreign labor that he vows to clamp down on if elected president. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs and service oriented in what jobs remain. When God spoke to the children of Israel, He told them that if they followed His laws(in tune with dharma), that He would make them the head and not the tail, the lender, not the borrower, the master not the servant. In other words, fall out of dharma and you become the tail, the servant and a slave to your lender because you'll depend on him to meet your need. Any of this sound familiar? From: "rajawilliamsmith@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: F
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No Ann, you're missing the point. He knows how to get things done. He makes use of what he's given. You hear the expression *if life gives you a lemon, make lemonade out of it!* He knows how to accomplish what he sets out to do, given the tools available. Yes, he could make his own products here by himself and compete with those using China or Mexico with current trade laws. Or he could change the trade deals so that its favorable for others to do the same, making it more competitive to be made in America. From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course no gun was held to his head. He's a businessman and successful businessmen use the *system* encouraged and created by congress, including tax laws to make a profit. MIKE, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. HE IS A HYPOCRITE. WHEN DO YOU THINK HE DECIDED THAT KEEPING JOBS IN AMERICA WAS A GOOD THING, SOMETHING HE WANTS TO ENCOURAGE? OR, DO YOU THINK HE NEVER GAVE A SHIT AND STILL DOESN'T BUT HE IS SIMPLY LYING TO FOOL PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING HIM AND VOTING FOR HIM? WHEN DO YOU THINK HE HAD HIS 'CONVERSION' TO WANTING TO 'MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN' AND CAME TO BELIEVE CLOSING ALL LOOPHOLES OR DISALLOWING MONETARY GAIN AS A RESULT OF PRODUCING OFFSHORE CAME ABOUT AND WHY? DO YOU THINK WHEN HE DOESN'T BECOME PRESIDENT HE WILL STOP MAKING HIS CRAPPY PRODUCTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES? DO YOU HAVE $1000 TO WAGER? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, he said he has. He also says he didn't set up the system. There is no "system" and no one is forcing him to make his baubles overseas. I know many manufacturers who have felt strongly enough about making their goods on this Continent that they have continued to do so. I have no problem with companies employing people in poorer countries to make North American goods but I do have a problem with hypocrites like Trump who say one thing and do another. Who sells a big fat lie to the American people while not supporting one iota anything he says. So don't give me any bunk about any "system" - no gun was held to Trump's head to move offshore with his products. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Practices He Now Scorns | | | | | | Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Pract... As a businessman, Mr. Trump has relied on the type of cheap foreign labor that he vows to clamp down on if elected president. | | | View on www.nytimes.com| Preview by Yahoo | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs and service oriented in what jobs remain. When God spoke to the children of Israel, He told them that if they followed His laws(in tune with dharma), that He would make them the head and not the tail, the lender, not the borrower, the master not the servant. In other words, fall out of dharma and you become the tail, the servant and a slave to your lender because you'll depend on him to meet your need. Any of this sound familiar? From: "rajawilliamsmith@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone. #yiv9384589828 #yiv9384589828 -- #yiv9384589828ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv9384589828 #yiv9384589828ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv9384589828 #yiv9384589828ygrp-mkp #yiv9384589828hd {color:#62
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course no gun was held to his head. He's a businessman and successful businessmen use the *system* encouraged and created by congress, including tax laws to make a profit. MIKE, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. HE IS A HYPOCRITE. WHEN DO YOU THINK HE DECIDED THAT KEEPING JOBS IN AMERICA WAS A GOOD THING, SOMETHING HE WANTS TO ENCOURAGE? OR, DO YOU THINK HE NEVER GAVE A SHIT AND STILL DOESN'T BUT HE IS SIMPLY LYING TO FOOL PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING HIM AND VOTING FOR HIM? WHEN DO YOU THINK HE HAD HIS 'CONVERSION' TO WANTING TO 'MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN' AND CAME TO BELIEVE CLOSING ALL LOOPHOLES OR DISALLOWING MONETARY GAIN AS A RESULT OF PRODUCING OFFSHORE CAME ABOUT AND WHY? DO YOU THINK WHEN HE DOESN'T BECOME PRESIDENT HE WILL STOP MAKING HIS CRAPPY PRODUCTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES? DO YOU HAVE $1000 TO WAGER? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, he said he has. He also says he didn't set up the system. There is no "system" and no one is forcing him to make his baubles overseas. I know many manufacturers who have felt strongly enough about making their goods on this Continent that they have continued to do so. I have no problem with companies employing people in poorer countries to make North American goods but I do have a problem with hypocrites like Trump who say one thing and do another. Who sells a big fat lie to the American people while not supporting one iota anything he says. So don't give me any bunk about any "system" - no gun was held to Trump's head to move offshore with his products. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Practices He Now Scorns http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Pract... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html As a businessman, Mr. Trump has relied on the type of cheap foreign labor that he vows to clamp down on if elected president. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs and service oriented in what jobs remain. When God spoke to the children of Israel, He told them that if they followed His laws(in tune with dharma), that He would make them the head and not the tail, the lender, not the borrower, the master not the servant. In other words, fall out of dharma and you become the tail, the servant and a slave to your lender because you'll depend on him to meet your need. Any of this sound familiar? From: "rajawilliamsmith@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone.
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Of course no gun was held to his head. He's a businessman and successful businessmen use the *system* encouraged and created by congress, including tax laws to make a profit. From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, he said he has. He also says he didn't set up the system. There is no "system" and no one is forcing him to make his baubles overseas. I know many manufacturers who have felt strongly enough about making their goods on this Continent that they have continued to do so. I have no problem with companies employing people in poorer countries to make North American goods but I do have a problem with hypocrites like Trump who say one thing and do another. Who sells a big fat lie to the American people while not supporting one iota anything he says. So don't give me any bunk about any "system" - no gun was held to Trump's head to move offshore with his products. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Practices He Now Scorns | | | | | | Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Pract... As a businessman, Mr. Trump has relied on the type of cheap foreign labor that he vows to clamp down on if elected president. | | | View on www.nytimes.com| Preview by Yahoo | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs and service oriented in what jobs remain. When God spoke to the children of Israel, He told them that if they followed His laws(in tune with dharma), that He would make them the head and not the tail, the lender, not the borrower, the master not the servant. In other words, fall out of dharma and you become the tail, the servant and a slave to your lender because you'll depend on him to meet your need. Any of this sound familiar? From: "rajawilliamsmith@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone. #yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742 -- #yiv3189175742ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742ygrp-mkp #yiv3189175742hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742ygrp-mkp #yiv3189175742ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742ygrp-mkp .yiv3189175742ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742ygrp-mkp .yiv3189175742ad p {margin:0;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742ygrp-mkp .yiv3189175742ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742ygrp-sponsor #yiv3189175742ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742ygrp-sponsor #yiv3189175742ygrp-lc #yiv3189175742hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742ygrp-sponsor #yiv3189175742ygrp-lc .yiv3189175742ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv3189175742 #yiv3189175742activity span .yiv3189175742underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3189175742 .yiv3189175742attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padd
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Yes, that's what I discussed in my post. On 06/30/2016 03:32 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Remember the housing bubble? Get everyone into a house... whether they can afford it or not. Not sure you can completely blame the banks though. They were under pressure to lend to people that couldn't afford a house. If they didn't , they were racist! Hopefully there would be enough good loans to make up for the bad ones. *From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn What that means is the current standard of living is artificial and inflated because it is using too much credit putting people into debt. Learned my lesson on this going into debt to do the TM-Sidhis course. Quit the music gig I had to do another gig that fell through and that put me into financial straits for a couple years. I learned to use credit wisely paying off the balance most the time unless I really do need to amortize something within my means. Living in the SF Bay Area I could understand rising housing prices. In 2000 my apartment rent for a 1 bedroom den cost about as much as a house payment so bought a house instead. Housing prices continued to go on the rise because many communities in the Bay Area blocked new housing. But there was actually no reason for housing prices to rise across much of the US including in the small ho-dunk town I grew up in. It seemed to be a conspiracy to put as many people as possible into debt for wage slavery. On 06/30/2016 02:39 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com <mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think one of the problems is that we've become a consumer nation. Everybody has to have the latest gadget/technology now, whether they can afford it or not! So, they borrow and borrow to get what they want, end up in enormous debt. Nobody has any savings. Yeah, it revs up an economy but with nothing to run on once it's rev'd. Banks used to use peoples savings to lend and make their profits. Now there aren't any savings to use. They go to the Fed who just prints it up, making it worthless in the long run. Ah say, ah say .. there's just too much consumin' goin' on. *From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net <mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net> [FairfieldLife]" <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:42 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The US economy has progressively become more and more lopsided in favor of the rich ever since the Reagan administration. Improvements have not raised everyone's boat. Some solutions are poor like raising the minimum wage won't help a lot since businesses will just increase their prices (usually way too much) to compensate. Minimum wage jobs were intended for students and part time casual and unskilled workers. Even then back in the day one could still rent a house (or even buy), afford a car, dine out, go to movies on a minimum wage income. No more. Greed took over. As far as I can see the only solution is a total economic collapse taking out the rich as well. Basically a reboot of the economy. On 06/29/2016 10:11 PM, rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com <mailto:rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote: The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, he said he has. He also says he didn't set up the system. There is no "system" and no one is forcing him to make his baubles overseas. I know many manufacturers who have felt strongly enough about making their goods on this Continent that they have continued to do so. I have no problem with companies employing people in poorer countries to make North American goods but I do have a problem with hypocrites like Trump who say one thing and do another. Who sells a big fat lie to the American people while not supporting one iota anything he says. So don't give me any bunk about any "system" - no gun was held to Trump's head to move offshore with his products. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Practices He Now Scorns http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Pract... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html As a businessman, Mr. Trump has relied on the type of cheap foreign labor that he vows to clamp down on if elected president. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs and service oriented in what jobs remain. When God spoke to the children of Israel, He told them that if they followed His laws(in tune with dharma), that He would make them the head and not the tail, the lender, not the borrower, the master not the servant. In other words, fall out of dharma and you become the tail, the servant and a slave to your lender because you'll depend on him to meet your need. Any of this sound familiar? From: "rajawilliamsmith@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone.
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Remember the housing bubble? Get everyone into a house... whether they can afford it or not. Not sure you can completely blame the banks though. They were under pressure to lend to people that couldn't afford a house. If they didn't , they were racist! Hopefully there would be enough good loans to make up for the bad ones. From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn What that means is the current standard of living is artificial and inflated because it is using too much credit putting people into debt. Learned my lesson on this going into debt to do the TM-Sidhis course. Quit the music gig I had to do another gig that fell through and that put me into financial straits for a couple years. I learned to use credit wisely paying off the balance most the time unless I really do need to amortize something within my means. Living in the SF Bay Area I could understand rising housing prices. In 2000 my apartment rent for a 1 bedroom den cost about as much as a house payment so bought a house instead. Housing prices continued to go on the rise because many communities in the Bay Area blocked new housing. But there was actually no reason for housing prices to rise across much of the US including in the small ho-dunk town I grew up in. It seemed to be a conspiracy to put as many people as possible into debt for wage slavery. On 06/30/2016 02:39 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think one of the problems is that we've become a consumer nation. Everybody has to have the latest gadget/technology now, whether they can afford it or not! So, they borrow and borrow to get what they want, end up in enormous debt. Nobody has any savings. Yeah, it revs up an economy but with nothing to run on once it's rev'd. Banks used to use peoples savings to lend and make their profits. Now there aren't any savings to use. They go to the Fed who just prints it up, making it worthless in the long run. Ah say, ah say .. there's just too much consumin' goin' on. From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The US economy has progressively become more and more lopsided in favor of the rich ever since the Reagan administration. Improvements have not raised everyone's boat. Some solutions are poor like raising the minimum wage won't help a lot since businesses will just increase their prices (usually way too much) to compensate. Minimum wage jobs were intended for students and part time casual and unskilled workers. Even then back in the day one could still rent a house (or even buy), afford a car, dine out, go to movies on a minimum wage income. No more. Greed took over. As far as I can see the only solution is a total economic collapse taking out the rich as well. Basically a reboot of the economy. On 06/29/2016 10:11 PM, rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone. #yiv4735034314 #yiv4735034314 -- #yiv4735034314ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv4735034314 #yiv4735034314ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv4735034314 #yiv4735034314ygrp-mkp #yiv4735034314hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv4735034314 #yiv4735034314ygrp-mkp #yiv4735034314ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv4735034314 #yiv4735034314ygrp-mkp .yiv4735034314ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv4735034314 #yiv4735034314ygrp-mkp .yiv4735034314ad p {margin:0;}#yiv4735034314 #yiv4735034314ygrp-mkp .yiv4735034314ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv4735034314 #yiv4735034314ygrp-sponsor #yiv4735034314ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv4735034314 #yiv4735034314ygrp-sponsor #yiv4735034314ygrp-lc #yiv4735034314hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv4735034314 #yiv4735034314ygrp-sponsor #yiv4735034314ygrp-lc .yiv4735034314ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv4735034314 #yiv4735034314actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv4735034314 #yiv4735034314activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-
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What that means is the current standard of living is artificial and inflated because it is using too much credit putting people into debt. Learned my lesson on this going into debt to do the TM-Sidhis course. Quit the music gig I had to do another gig that fell through and that put me into financial straits for a couple years. I learned to use credit wisely paying off the balance most the time unless I really do need to amortize something within my means. Living in the SF Bay Area I could understand rising housing prices. In 2000 my apartment rent for a 1 bedroom den cost about as much as a house payment so bought a house instead. Housing prices continued to go on the rise because many communities in the Bay Area blocked new housing. But there was actually no reason for housing prices to rise across much of the US including in the small ho-dunk town I grew up in. It seemed to be a conspiracy to put as many people as possible into debt for wage slavery. On 06/30/2016 02:39 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think one of the problems is that we've become a consumer nation. Everybody has to have the latest gadget/technology now, whether they can afford it or not! So, they borrow and borrow to get what they want, end up in enormous debt. Nobody has any savings. Yeah, it revs up an economy but with nothing to run on once it's rev'd. Banks used to use peoples savings to lend and make their profits. Now there aren't any savings to use. They go to the Fed who just prints it up, making it worthless in the long run. Ah say, ah say .. there's just too much consumin' goin' on. *From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:42 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The US economy has progressively become more and more lopsided in favor of the rich ever since the Reagan administration. Improvements have not raised everyone's boat. Some solutions are poor like raising the minimum wage won't help a lot since businesses will just increase their prices (usually way too much) to compensate. Minimum wage jobs were intended for students and part time casual and unskilled workers. Even then back in the day one could still rent a house (or even buy), afford a car, dine out, go to movies on a minimum wage income. No more. Greed took over. As far as I can see the only solution is a total economic collapse taking out the rich as well. Basically a reboot of the economy. On 06/29/2016 10:11 PM, rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com <mailto:rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote: The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone.
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The US economy has progressively become more and more lopsided in favor of the rich ever since the Reagan administration. Improvements have not raised everyone's boat. Some solutions are poor like raising the minimum wage won't help a lot since businesses will just increase their prices (usually way too much) to compensate. Minimum wage jobs were intended for students and part time casual and unskilled workers. Even then back in the day one could still rent a house (or even buy), afford a car, dine out, go to movies on a minimum wage income. No more. Greed took over. As far as I can see the only solution is a total economic collapse taking out the rich as well. Basically a reboot of the economy. On 06/29/2016 10:11 PM, rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone.
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Yeah, he said he has. He also says he didn't set up the system. From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Practices He Now Scorns || |||| Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Pract... As a businessman, Mr. Trump has relied on the type of cheap foreign labor that he vows to clamp down on if elected president.|| | View on www.nytimes.com |Preview by Yahoo| || ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs and service oriented in what jobs remain. When God spoke to the children of Israel, He told them that if they followed His laws(in tune with dharma), that He would make them the head and not the tail, the lender, not the borrower, the master not the servant. In other words, fall out of dharma and you become the tail, the servant and a slave to your lender because you'll depend on him to meet your need. Any of this sound familiar? From: "rajawilliamsmith@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone. #yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846 -- #yiv8409460846ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846ygrp-mkp #yiv8409460846hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846ygrp-mkp #yiv8409460846ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846ygrp-mkp .yiv8409460846ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846ygrp-mkp .yiv8409460846ad p {margin:0;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846ygrp-mkp .yiv8409460846ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846ygrp-sponsor #yiv8409460846ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846ygrp-sponsor #yiv8409460846ygrp-lc #yiv8409460846hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846ygrp-sponsor #yiv8409460846ygrp-lc .yiv8409460846ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv8409460846 #yiv8409460846activity span .yiv8409460846underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8409460846 .yiv8409460846attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv8409460846 .yiv8409460846attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8409460846 .yiv8409460846attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv8409460846 .yiv8409460846attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv8409460846 .yiv8409460846attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8409460846 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv8409460846 .yiv8409460846bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv8409460846 .yiv8409460846bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8409460846 dd.yiv8409460846last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv8409460846 dd.yiv8409460846last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv8409460846 dd.yiv8409460846last p span.yiv8409460846yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv8409460846 div.yiv8409460846attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8409460846 div.yiv8409460846attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv8409460846 div.yiv8409460846file-title a, #yiv8409460846 div.yiv8409460846file-title a:active, #yiv8409460846 div.yiv840946
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Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Practices He Now Scorns http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html Donald Trump Has Long Benefited From Trade Pract... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html As a businessman, Mr. Trump has relied on the type of cheap foreign labor that he vows to clamp down on if elected president. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/politics/donald-trump-trade.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs and service oriented in what jobs remain. When God spoke to the children of Israel, He told them that if they followed His laws(in tune with dharma), that He would make them the head and not the tail, the lender, not the borrower, the master not the servant. In other words, fall out of dharma and you become the tail, the servant and a slave to your lender because you'll depend on him to meet your need. Any of this sound familiar? From: "rajawilliamsmith@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone.
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My 1998 Subaru Forester was made in Indiana and still going strong. On 06/30/2016 08:30 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Do you ever wonder *why* industries move over seas? Cheaper labor, lower taxes, less regulation. Do you see the trend here? Fifteen an hour... minimum, even if your job is emptying garbage cans or flipping burgers.Next thing you know there will have to be a special french frying pension for a life time of service.Businesses need to pay their *fair share* of taxes so people can live on unemployment and can be sued at the drop of a hat and have to produce a lower *carbon foot print* for the *children*. BTW, I drive a Jeep Wrangler. Made in Ohio. My third one. My 2015 VW Golf was made in Mexico. *From:* "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs and service oriented in what jobs remain. When God spoke to the children of Israel, He told them that if they followed His laws(in tune with dharma), that He would make them the head and not the tail, the lender, not the borrower, the master not the servant. In other words, fall out of dharma and you become the tail, the servant and a slave to your lender because you'll depend on him to meet your need. Any of this sound familiar? I always shake my head at you hypocrites. I work in retail and I see it all the time. I'll have two items that are virtually the same, let's say a pair or gloves or a sweater. One of them is made off shore and costs (retail) $50. The other one is made in the USA or Canada and it costs $95. Then the customer will start nattering away about not wanting to buy any of the cheap crap made in China and they don't like China's human rights track record and on and on. Meanwhile they're trying on the gloves or the sweater and they eventually look at the price tag. 99 times out of a 100 they will buy the less expensive item EVEN THOUGH I TELL THEM THAT ONE IS MADE IN CHINA AND THE OTHER ONE IS MADE IN NORTH AMERICA. So, guess what? When I talk to all of my wholesalers and company owners they tell me they simply have to take their products and have them made in less expensive countries because that is what the market wants and that they can't compete unless they do I! understand how that could be. Every year another one of my suppliers knuckles under and takes their products to China or India or Vietnam to be manufactured because that is what the North American population wants when you get right down to what happens at the check out. You do it, I do it, virtually all of us do it. Do you ever check the labels of where your stuff is made? What kind of car do you drive? I know where every last one of my over 6000 different products I carry in my store are made because I broker them all. American and Canadian companies have gone to other countries because the market has demanded it. Who is the market? You and I. Who are many of the workers who have lost jobs due to outsourcing? The North Americans. But you can't have it both ways - you can't have a manufacturing job and still have your Costco's and your Walmarts and your electronics stores full of foreign-made and cheaper goods. *From:* "rajawilliamsmith@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:11 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Do you ever wonder *why* industries move over seas? Cheaper labor, lower taxes, less regulation. Do you see the trend here? Fifteen an hour... minimum, even if your job is emptying garbage cans or flipping burgers.Next thing you know there will have to be a special french frying pension for a life time of service.Businesses need to pay their *fair share* of taxes so people can live on unemployment and can be sued at the drop of a hat and have to produce a lower *carbon foot print* for the *children*. BTW, I drive a Jeep Wrangler. Made in Ohio. My third one. My 2015 VW Golf was made in Mexico. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs and service oriented in what jobs remain. When God spoke to the children of Israel, He told them that if they followed His laws(in tune with dharma), that He would make them the head and not the tail, the lender, not the borrower, the master not the servant. In other words, fall out of dharma and you become the tail, the servant and a slave to your lender because you'll depend on him to meet your need. Any of this sound familiar? I always shake my head at you hypocrites. I work in retail and I see it all the time. I'll have two items that are virtually the same, let's say a pair or gloves or a sweater. One of them is made off shore and costs (retail) $50. The other one is made in the USA or Canada and it costs $95. Then the customer will start nattering away about not wanting to buy any of the cheap crap made in China and they don't like China's human rights track record and on and on. Meanwhile they're trying on the gloves or the sweater and they eventually look at the price tag. 99 times out of a 100 they will buy the less expensive item EVEN THOUGH I TELL THEM THAT ONE IS MADE IN CHINA AND THE OTHER ONE IS MADE IN NORTH AMERICA. So, guess what? When I talk to all of my wholesalers and company owners they tell me they simply have to take their products and have them made in less expensive countries because that is what the market wants and that they can't compete unless they do I understand how that could be. Every year another one of my suppliers knuckles under and takes their products to China or India or Vietnam to be manufactured because that is what the North American population wants when you get right down to what happens at the check out. You do it, I do it, virtually all of us do it. Do you ever check the labels of where your stuff is made? What kind of car do you drive? I know where every last one of my over 6000 different products I carry in my store are made because I broker them all. American and Canadian companies have gone to other countries because the market has demanded it. Who is the market? You and I. Who are many of the workers who have lost jobs due to outsourcing? The North Americans. But you can't have it both ways - you can't have a manufacturing job and still have your Costco's and your Walmarts and your electronics stores full of foreign-made and cheaper goods. From: "rajawilliamsmith@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Do you ever wonder *why* industries move over seas? Cheaper labor, lower taxes, less regulation. Do you see the trend here? Fifteen an hour... minimum, even if your job is emptying garbage cans or flipping burgers.Next thing you know there will have to be a special french frying pension for a life time of service.Businesses need to pay their *fair share* of taxes so people can live on unemployment and can be sued at the drop of a hat and have to produce a lower *carbon foot print* for the *children*. BTW, I drive a Jeep Wrangler. Made in Ohio. My third one. Yes, but who are making the decisions to move overseas? Your fellow Americans (corporate decisions and business owners), that's who and that decision is driven by your other fellow American's need for cheap goods. Market determines outcome. Everyone needs to take responsibility for that. At one time the Wrangler was built in Ontario from 1986 until 1992 but it subsequently moved to the plant in Toledo. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs and service oriented in what jobs remain. When God spoke to the children of Israel, He told them that if they followed His laws(in tune with dharma), that He would make them the head and not the tail, the lender, not the borrower, the master not the servant. In other words, fall out of dharma and you become the tail, the servant and a slave to your lender because you'll depend on him to meet your need. Any of this sound familiar? I always shake my head at you hypocrites. I work in retail and I see it all the time. I'll have two items that are virtually the same, let's say a pair or gloves or a sweater. One of them is made off shore and costs (retail) $50. The other one is made in the USA or Canada and it costs $95. Then the customer will start nattering away about not wanting to buy any of the cheap crap made in China and they don't like China's human rights track record and on and on. Meanwhile they're trying on the gloves or the sweater and they eventually look at the price tag. 99 times out of a 100 they will buy the less expensive item EVEN THOUGH I TELL THEM THAT ONE IS MADE IN CHINA AND THE OTHER ONE IS MADE IN NORTH AMERICA. So, guess what? When I talk to all of my wholesalers and company owners they tell me they simply have to take their products and have them made in less expensive countries because that is what the market wants and that they can't compete unless they do I understand how that could be. Every year another one of my suppliers knuckles under and takes their products to China or India or Vietnam to be manufactured because that is what the North American population wants when you get right down to what happens at the check out. You do it, I do it, virtually all of us do it. Do you ever check the labels of where your stuff is made? What kind of car do you drive? I know where every last one of my over 6000 different products I carry in my store are made because I broker them all. American and Canadian companies have gone to other countries because the market has demanded it. Who is the market? You and I. Who are many of the workers who have lost jobs due to outsourcing? The North Americans. But you can't have it both ways - you can't have a manufacturing job and still have your Costco's and your Walmarts and your electronics stores full of foreign-made and cheaper goods. From: "rajawilliamsmith@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone.
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Do you ever wonder *why* industries move over seas? Cheaper labor, lower taxes, less regulation. Do you see the trend here? Fifteen an hour... minimum, even if your job is emptying garbage cans or flipping burgers.Next thing you know there will have to be a special french frying pension for a life time of service.Businesses need to pay their *fair share* of taxes so people can live on unemployment and can be sued at the drop of a hat and have to produce a lower *carbon foot print* for the *children*. BTW, I drive a Jeep Wrangler. Made in Ohio. My third one. From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs and service oriented in what jobs remain. When God spoke to the children of Israel, He told them that if they followed His laws(in tune with dharma), that He would make them the head and not the tail, the lender, not the borrower, the master not the servant. In other words, fall out of dharma and you become the tail, the servant and a slave to your lender because you'll depend on him to meet your need. Any of this sound familiar? I always shake my head at you hypocrites. I work in retail and I see it all the time. I'll have two items that are virtually the same, let's say a pair or gloves or a sweater. One of them is made off shore and costs (retail) $50. The other one is made in the USA or Canada and it costs $95. Then the customer will start nattering away about not wanting to buy any of the cheap crap made in China and they don't like China's human rights track record and on and on. Meanwhile they're trying on the gloves or the sweater and they eventually look at the price tag. 99 times out of a 100 they will buy the less expensive item EVEN THOUGH I TELL THEM THAT ONE IS MADE IN CHINA AND THE OTHER ONE IS MADE IN NORTH AMERICA. So, guess what? When I talk to all of my wholesalers and company owners they tell me they simply have to take their products and have them made in less expensive countries because that is what the market wants and that they can't compete unless they do I understand how that could be. Every year another one of my suppliers knuckles under and takes their products to China or India or Vietnam to be manufactured because that is what the North American population wants when you get right down to what happens at the check out. You do it, I do it, virtually all of us do it. Do you ever check the labels of where your stuff is made? What kind of car do you drive? I know where every last one of my over 6000 different products I carry in my store are made because I broker them all. American and Canadian companies have gone to other countries because the market has demanded it. Who is the market? You and I. Who are many of the workers who have lost jobs due to outsourcing? The North Americans. But you can't have it both ways - you can't have a manufacturing job and still have your Costco's and your Walmarts and your electronics stores full of foreign-made and cheaper goods. From: "rajawilliamsmith@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone. #yiv1703459180 #yiv1703459180 -- #yiv1703459180ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv1703459180 #yiv1703459180ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv1703459180 #yiv1703459180ygrp-mkp #yiv1703459180hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv1703459180 #yiv1703459180ygrp-mkp #yiv1703459180ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv1703459180 #yiv1703459180ygrp-mkp .yiv1703459180ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv1703459180 #yiv1703459180ygrp-mkp .yiv1703459180ad p {margin:0;}#yiv1703459180 #yiv1703459180ygrp-mkp .yiv1703459180ad a {color:#ff;text-
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs and service oriented in what jobs remain. When God spoke to the children of Israel, He told them that if they followed His laws(in tune with dharma), that He would make them the head and not the tail, the lender, not the borrower, the master not the servant. In other words, fall out of dharma and you become the tail, the servant and a slave to your lender because you'll depend on him to meet your need. Any of this sound familiar? I always shake my head at you hypocrites. I work in retail and I see it all the time. I'll have two items that are virtually the same, let's say a pair or gloves or a sweater. One of them is made off shore and costs (retail) $50. The other one is made in the USA or Canada and it costs $95. Then the customer will start nattering away about not wanting to buy any of the cheap crap made in China and they don't like China's human rights track record and on and on. Meanwhile they're trying on the gloves or the sweater and they eventually look at the price tag. 99 times out of a 100 they will buy the less expensive item EVEN THOUGH I TELL THEM THAT ONE IS MADE IN CHINA AND THE OTHER ONE IS MADE IN NORTH AMERICA. So, guess what? When I talk to all of my wholesalers and company owners they tell me they simply have to take their products and have them made in less expensive countries because that is what the market wants and that they can't compete unless they do I understand how that could be. Every year another one of my suppliers knuckles under and takes their products to China or India or Vietnam to be manufactured because that is what the North American population wants when you get right down to what happens at the check out. You do it, I do it, virtually all of us do it. Do you ever check the labels of where your stuff is made? What kind of car do you drive? I know where every last one of my over 6000 different products I carry in my store are made because I broker them all. American and Canadian companies have gone to other countries because the market has demanded it. Who is the market? You and I. Who are many of the workers who have lost jobs due to outsourcing? The North Americans. But you can't have it both ways - you can't have a manufacturing job and still have your Costco's and your Walmarts and your electronics stores full of foreign-made and cheaper goods. From: "rajawilliamsmith@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone.
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Yeah, we should be doing a whole lot better. However, we've been shipping our manufacturing jobs over seas, fewer higher paying jobs here. We allow people to come here to take the lower paying jobs that seem to be beyond some people's *dignity* level, although food stamps, unemployment and welfare aren't. Where are those smart phones, smart TV's etc. made? We've become a debtor nation, borrowing to meet our needs and service oriented in what jobs remain. When God spoke to the children of Israel, He told them that if they followed His laws(in tune with dharma), that He would make them the head and not the tail, the lender, not the borrower, the master not the servant. In other words, fall out of dharma and you become the tail, the servant and a slave to your lender because you'll depend on him to meet your need. Any of this sound familiar? From: "rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feel The Burn The median home income should be way up, more women are making much more money at least until 2007, more two income families. More people in the world are much wealthier, China, South American countries. and there is a lot of neat things we have with tremendous value, smart phones for example, which we didn't have in 1973. A lot of what wealthy people own is really at service to society, stocks in companies, but we do have to look at excessive use of natural resources, like ozone. #yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377 -- #yiv9141762377ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377ygrp-mkp #yiv9141762377hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377ygrp-mkp #yiv9141762377ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377ygrp-mkp .yiv9141762377ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377ygrp-mkp .yiv9141762377ad p {margin:0;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377ygrp-mkp .yiv9141762377ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377ygrp-sponsor #yiv9141762377ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377ygrp-sponsor #yiv9141762377ygrp-lc #yiv9141762377hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377ygrp-sponsor #yiv9141762377ygrp-lc .yiv9141762377ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377activity span .yiv9141762377underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9141762377 .yiv9141762377attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv9141762377 .yiv9141762377attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv9141762377 .yiv9141762377attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv9141762377 .yiv9141762377attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv9141762377 .yiv9141762377attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv9141762377 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv9141762377 .yiv9141762377bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv9141762377 .yiv9141762377bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv9141762377 dd.yiv9141762377last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv9141762377 dd.yiv9141762377last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv9141762377 dd.yiv9141762377last p span.yiv9141762377yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv9141762377 div.yiv9141762377attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv9141762377 div.yiv9141762377attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv9141762377 div.yiv9141762377file-title a, #yiv9141762377 div.yiv9141762377file-title a:active, #yiv9141762377 div.yiv9141762377file-title a:hover, #yiv9141762377 div.yiv9141762377file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv9141762377 div.yiv9141762377photo-title a, #yiv9141762377 div.yiv9141762377photo-title a:active, #yiv9141762377 div.yiv9141762377photo-title a:hover, #yiv9141762377 div.yiv9141762377photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv9141762377 div#yiv9141762377ygrp-mlmsg #yiv9141762377ygrp-msg p a span.yiv9141762377yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv9141762377 .yiv9141762377green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv9141762377 .yiv9141762377MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv9141762377 o {font-size:0;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv9141762377photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv9141762377 #yiv