Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

[Richard Yates]

That's a good possibility. Just be sure I was not missing something I looked
up "double down." I think they liked the connotations of the word being
something like "bold and decisive" but looked no further (like in a
dictionary). The closest definition (OED) shows that the term "double-down"
may inadvertently be close to the truth: "to engage in risky behavior,
especially when one is already in a dangerous situation."

Richard Yates

> The author(s) must have studied at the federal government school of
copywriting.
> Anne Erickson

> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Richard Yates
> wrote:
> 
> > Although I have not upgraded for several years, this news is
> > nonetheless, of concern. The link describes major restructuring and a
> > search for people to fill positions of "software developer; a software
> > QA engineer; and a product designer." So they got out a new version,
> > with its inevitable bugs, fired everyone, and are trying to find
> > people to replace them. That sounds pretty chaotic to me.
> >
> > What also caught my attention in the article was this: "...a key part
> > of MakeMusic's marketing strategy for Finale 2014 is to tout that
> > "while others take music notation software development for granted,
> > Finale is doubling down to provide you and your music a clear path to
> > tomorrow."
> >
> > That is the most meaningless, tortuous, tangled-metaphor,
> > marketing-speak sentence that I have seen in long, long time. There is
> > not a single phrase in it that makes any sense at all. "Doubling
> > down"? "others take software development for granted"?
> >
> > Is it supposed to be a great relief that Finale is there to give my
> > "music a clear path to tomorrow"?
> >
> > It's laughable.
> >
> > Richard Yates
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On
> > > Behalf
> > Of
> > > Nigel Hanley
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:33 AM
> > > To: finale@shsu.edu
> > > Subject: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic
> > >
> > > Justin Phillips is no longer with MM. He'll be missed. Thanks Justin
> > > for
> > the hands-
> > > on help you've given the Finale list over the last few years.
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/layoffs-and-reorganization-announced-
> > at-
> > > makemusic/
> > >
> > >
> > > Nigel Hanley
> > >
> > > 0418 977 237
> > > i...@nigelhanley.com
> > > nigel.han...@optusnet.com.au
> > >
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Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

[Richard Yates]

Although I have not upgraded for several years, this news is nonetheless, of
concern. The link describes major restructuring and a search for people to
fill positions of "software developer; a software QA engineer; and a product
designer." So they got out a new version, with its inevitable bugs, fired
everyone, and are trying to find people to replace them. That sounds pretty
chaotic to me.

What also caught my attention in the article was this: "...a key part of
MakeMusic's marketing strategy for Finale 2014 is to tout that "while others
take music notation software development for granted, Finale is doubling
down to provide you and your music a clear path to tomorrow."

That is the most meaningless, tortuous, tangled-metaphor, marketing-speak
sentence that I have seen in long, long time. There is not a single phrase
in it that makes any sense at all. "Doubling down"? "others take software
development for granted"? 

Is it supposed to be a great relief that Finale is there to give my "music a
clear path to tomorrow"?

It's laughable.

Richard Yates


> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Nigel Hanley
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:33 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic
> 
> Justin Phillips is no longer with MM. He'll be missed. Thanks Justin for
the hands-
> on help you've given the Finale list over the last few years.
> 
> http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/layoffs-and-reorganization-announced-at-
> makemusic/
> 
> 
> Nigel Hanley
> 
> 0418 977 237
> i...@nigelhanley.com
> nigel.han...@optusnet.com.au
> 
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Re: [Finale] What will be the state of notation products by 2016?

[Richard Yates]

>If I had a dollar for every vaporware announcement that never saw the
> light of day, I would be a rich man.

I would be happy to forward to the list, without charge, my unending,
monthly, robot-generated, unsubscribable-from email announcements about Igor
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Re: [Finale] Playback Weird Behavior Playing a Semitone Lower

[Richard Yates]

Probably time to upgrade from that 1720 version of Finale (the 'Handel
Edition')   :->

> Hello, I'm in a muddle trying to find out how to avoid a peculiar, weird
behavior Finale
> is adopting.
> I've got some staves playing back a semitone lower than how they should be
> performed and no transposition has been set on them.
> Quitting and reopening finale doesn't fix the problem.
> Any clues?
> 
> Thank you
> Giovanni



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[Finale] Hummingbird

[Richard Yates]

Anyone seen this: http://www.hummingbirdnotation.com/

My first reaction is that, regardless of any merit, there is about zero
chance of such an initiative succeeding, but to even attempt it is
interesting. Shape-note, anyone?

Richard Yates



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Re: [Finale] MIDI woes

[Richard Yates]

I use the Casio with a MIDI to USB cable. There is latency before I hear it
through the computer so I turn that down and listen to the Casio directly
while doing input. I also had some kind of Korg that was not amplified and
could not tolerate the latency.

> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Raymond Horton
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:32 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
> 
> It sounded like Phil was likely not playing in in real time.  I have had a
USB Akai
> LPK25 for a couple of weeks, and the setup is instantaneous.  I also have
used an
> old Casio, with a midi-to-usb adapter, and that often would take jumping
through
> hoops to get the computer or Finale to recognize.  Are you able to use the
Casio with
> a non-usb input of some sort?  I thought midi input cards had gone out
with Culture
> Club?
> 
> Raymond Horton
> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT
> rayhortonmusic.com
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Richard Yates 
> wrote:
> > I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult
> > to get used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple
> > different machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much
> > latency to be really annoying and throw off efficiency of note entry.
> > (I have never played the tuba either!).
> >
> > So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.'
> > scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and
> > speakers built in.
> >
> > Richard Yates
> >
> >> Chuck Israels:
> >> I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either
> >> Finale's
> > MIDI
> >> communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller
> > keyboards, so I am
> >> inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is
> >> set
> > up (though I
> >> don't pretend to know what that might be).  It's been a long time
> >> since I
> > have had
> >> similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has
> >> quickly
> > solved the
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs.  You may
> >> find
> > it
> >> annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider
> >> before
> > saving a
> >> little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more
use.
> > I use an M-
> >> Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out
> >> of
> > range every now
> >> and then.  Of course, space and portability may also be an issue.
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass 
wrote:
> >>
> >> > I *think* that was what I tried before.  The
> >> > latency made it unusable.   Maybe I didn't have
> >> > it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I
> >> > didn't have access to this fount of knowledge!
> >> >
> >> > I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5
> >> > different ones in my wish list.  They are all under $100, and  most
> >> > are
> >> > around the $60-70 mark.   I just don't want to
> >> > get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to
> >> > use
> > it.
> >> >
> >> > Phil.
> >> >
> >> > At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
> >> >> You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25.  $43 and
> >> >> change at Musicians Friend.  If you have a Guitar Center in town
> >> >> they should match that price if you show them the site:
> >> >>
> >> >> <http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-l
> >> >> pk2 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Raymond Horton
> >> >> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music,
> >> >> Edwardsville
> >> >> (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass
> >> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> Hi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have one 

Re: [Finale] MIDI woes

[Richard Yates]

I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult to get
used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple different
machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much latency to be
really annoying and throw off efficiency of note entry. (I have never played
the tuba either!). 

So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.'
scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and
speakers built in. 

Richard Yates

> Chuck Israels:
> I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's
MIDI
> communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller
keyboards, so I am
> inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set
up (though I
> don't pretend to know what that might be).  It's been a long time since I
have had
> similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly
solved the
> problem.
> 
> Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs.  You may find
it
> annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before
saving a
> little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use.
I use an M-
> Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of
range every now
> and then.  Of course, space and portability may also be an issue.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass  wrote:
> 
> > I *think* that was what I tried before.  The
> > latency made it unusable.   Maybe I didn't have
> > it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't
> > have access to this fount of knowledge!
> >
> > I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5
> > different ones in my wish list.  They are all under $100, and  most
> > are
> > around the $60-70 mark.   I just don't want to
> > get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to  use
it.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
> >> You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25.  $43 and
> >> change at Musicians Friend.  If you have a Guitar Center in town they
> >> should match that price if you show them the site:
> >>
> >> <http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-lpk2
> >> 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP>
> >>
> >>
> >> Raymond Horton
> >> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville
> >> (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass 
> wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I have one of those cheapo roll-up
> >>> keyboards.  I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out.
> >>> It's a bit too long, and
> >>> droops off my desk, for one thing.   I have been
> >>> thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale.  I
> >>> don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time.  Anyway, before
> >>> spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one.
> >>> It works, or at least it plays by itself.  Finale refuses to
> >>> recognise it, though.  Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi
> >>> controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by
> >>> Finale.
> >>>
> >>> One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out
> >>> midi connectors on it.  The keyboard only has a single midi port.
> >>> If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad
> >>> flashes, but it flashes as input.   I assume that
> >>> it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong.
> >>> It has happened once or twice before!  If I plug the other end in, I
> >>> don't get either light flashing.  In both cases, it is playing the
> >>> notes itself, but the program isn't interested.
> >>>
> >>> Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I
> >>> don't want to spend money on a better one, if I can't get it to
> >>> work.
> >>>
> >>> In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to directsound - if I
> >>> use ASIO, I don't get any output from the program at all.  For mike
> >>> source, I have it set to primary sound capture driver - the only
> >>> option.  When I come back into it, this field has usually set itself
> >>> to blank

Re: [Finale] OT: Playing all mp3s on a page

[Richard Yates]

And then add this line to your html:

Play all files

> For example, the following text (saved as 'eventide-all.m3u') plays all 8 mp3 
> files of
> the movements of my piece "Eventide":
> 
> 
> http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-1.mp3
> http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-2.mp3
> http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-3.mp3
> http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-4.mp3
> http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-5.mp3
> http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-6.mp3
> http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-7.mp3
> http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-8.mp3
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] OT: Playing all mp3s on a page

[Richard Yates]

If you are asking this on the Finale list then you probably do not have the
programming training to implement an answer. The only simple answer 
I know is to concatenate the mp3 files and play that one. Of course, the
resulting file will be huge. More complicated would be using javascript to
send an XMLHttpRequest() for the first file, then a SetTimeout() for the
duration of that mp3 file then load another one. I am a beginner at
javascript so there may be something misguided in this approach. In any
event, you need a programmer. 

There might off-the-shelf code for this somewhere. See http://jplayer.org/ 

Out of curiosity I looked at the source code for an amazon.com page that
pops up when you select 'play all' on an CD page. The source code is 8000
lines long! 

Richard Yates

> I'm going to have a web page with many mp3s. What do I create and embed
that
> would be a link that if clicked would play all those mp3s without further
action by the
> listener?
> 
> Richard
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Re: [Finale] Sibelius Core Team Now at Steinberg, Building New Notation Tool

[Richard Yates]

> Obviously, the notation product is a very long way off and there are no 
> examples to
> show yet, but here's the first blog post by Daniel Spreadbury announcing the 
> project:
> 
> http://blog.steinberg.net/2013/02/welcome/

If Daniel is associated with the project, then I am optimistic (Now, if he 
could only get me off the Igor Noteheads mailing list, then he would be a true 
hero!)

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Re: [Finale] switching between Finale and other app causes "stuck" MIDI note(s) in speedy

[Richard Yates]

> Funny that you're asking these questions in the Mac forum. 

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Re: [Finale] Layout bug

[Richard Yates]

May be something about that multi-measure rest. An experiment to try would
be to make it fewer measures and see if that changes things. Not that it
would make a solution obvious but it may narrow down the problem. 

> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
Of dc
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:10 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Layout bug
> 
> Le 30/11/2012 00:18, Darcy James Argue écrit :
> > Hi Dennis,
> >
> > Are you sure you are not accidentally unlocking the systems? With the
selection
> tool selected, the shortcut to unlock systems is "U." If you are in the
selection tool,
> and pressing the "U" key slightly before the "ctrl" key, you may be
inadvertently
> triggering an unwanted system unlock.
> 
> Thanks, Darcy, but no, this is not what's happening. I see all the locks
on the page,
> and when I hit Ctrl+U, one of the locks only disappears, and that unlocked
system
> only has two measures left.
> 
> With the selection tool active, my part temporarily looks like this:
> 
> 
> 
> Then, after very carefully hitting Ctrl+U:
> 
> 
> 
> With one system on the next page.
> 
> I'm open to any suggestions. I suppose someone will say at some stage that
my file
> is corrupted - which is quite obvious, but not very helpful, unless
there's a way to
> uncorrupt a file.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dennis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Cheers,
> >
> > - DJA
> > -
> > WEB:http://www.secretsocietymusic.org
> >
> > On Nov 29, 2012, at 4:04 PM, dc  wrote:
> >
> >> I think this is the first time this has ever happened to me!
> >>
> >> Finale 2008. I just finished a piece with two linked violin parts
> >> (and a continuo part). The V1 part is on one page with 7 staves only.
> >> Once it was layed out correctly, I locked all the systems. And then
> >> hit Ctrl U to update the layout. This UNLOCK one of the staves,
> >> leaves only two bars on that stave, and adds an extra system on the
> >> next page. I tried several times, with the same result.
> >>
> >> The V2 part does exactly the same thing when I lock all the staves
> >> and update the layout.
> >>
> >> The solution would be to not update the layout. But even then, when I
> >> switch from the part view to the score view and back to the part
> >> view, the layout has been messed up, despite the system locks.
> >>
> >> I did a "file maintenance", and Finale found nothing wrong.
> >>
> >> Any ideas on what's going on?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Dennis
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Finale] Including slash in a part name

[Richard Yates]

 > There is a character typed on a Mac with opt-sh-1 ⁄  (there's one) that is 
 > actually a
> fraction slash, which gets written into part names. Only the slash under the
> question mark / (there's one) called a solidus I think, causes problems in 
> PDFs. So
> use the fraction slash (opt-sh-1) in your part names and all will be fine.
> 
> I don't know the Windows version of this character. Perhaps someone can help
> out?

unicode 2215:  ∕  



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Re: [Finale] 2nd Quarter 2012 results

[Richard Yates]

> Refresh my memory -- metatools are key combinations that work from any
tool in
> the program?  Or do you have to be in the tool for which the metatool was
> programmed?  So if I define a metatool for the Measure tool and then try
to use it
> while the Staff tool is active, will it work as I defined it to work in
the Measure tool?
> So if I define ctrl-k to change a barline to a double bar, it will always
do that no
> matter what tool I'm in?  And they are definable from one single interface
in the
> preferences dialog?

They are attached to specific tools.

> Finale's metatools are quite different from Sibelius's keyboard shortcuts,
and
> people who want such convenience in Finale end up have to use additional
> software to do anything like what Sibelius's shortcuts can do.

TGTools does keyboard mapping. It matters not at all to me that it is
additional software.
> And how about for calling menu functions?  Are those user-definable
shortcuts in
> Finale?  I don't seem to remember us being able to change those.

Again, TGTools. 

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Re: [Finale] 2nd Quarter 2012 results

[Richard Yates]

Plus the keyboard remapping in TGTools. I've had all the function keys
programmed with TGTools for so long I had to double-check to make sure I was
doing it that way. Seems a normal part of the program for me now. 

> huh? you mean like metatools?  i.e. 35+ "slots" for user-defined shortcuts
in each
> of the measure, staff style, articulation, tuplet and expression tools?
and even
> smart shapes?
> 
> >One great benefit of Sibelius, which I hope Finale will someday
> >institute natively, not requiring a plug-in, is the ability of a user
> >to define their own keyboard shortcuts, so the entire interface
> >practically can be turned into keyboard shortcuts.
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Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

[Richard Yates]

I could not work without TGTools. And, the uncertainty that I read here
about its functioning in later Finale versions is a big factor in why I have
not upgraded for a while. 

Richard Yates

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Of
> Aaron Sherber
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 12:43 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b
> 
> For the benefit of the MM employees on this list, I have to say that I
completely
> agree. TGTools is an absolutely essential part of my workflow, in ways
large and
> small.
> 
> Aaron.
> 
> On 7/4/2012 2:35 PM, Henry Howey wrote:
> > I'm noticing that several of the tools are now inoperable.
> >
> > MakeMusic MUST acquire and maintain TGTOOLS. I'm sure Garritan and
> MusicXML were not cheap. TGTOOLS would be much less.
> >
> > Henry Howey
> >
> > Sent from my iWhatever
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Re: [Finale] suggestions sought

[Richard Yates]

How much do you need?

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-DataTraveler-DTR500-128GB/dp/B004X3XI
R2



> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Eric Dannewitz
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 9:17 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] suggestions sought
> 
> Flash drives are way fast enough for recording, they just don't have a lot
of space
> 
> Sent from my iSomething
> --
> 
> 
> On Apr 22, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Christopher Smith
>  wrote:
> 
> > A separate partition on the same drive won't help you, as the mechanism
is the
> same. You need a separate PHYSICAL drive on a different bus, and I
understand
> that you need certain minimum rotation speeds and search speeds. I may be
> wrong here, but I think flash drives are not quick enough for audio
recording.
> Please verify this by looking up the specs on the software website; they
are very
> good at providing this information usually.
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun Apr 22, at SundayApr 22 6:48 PM, Nick Raspa wrote:
> >
> >> So the OS is on my computer hard drive and the imputed data is going to
a
> separate drive that doesn't impact the main computer (such as in flash
drive)
> similar to hard drive partition except that the second drive (partition)
is external?
> >> Nick Raspa
> >> NJR Music Enterprises
> >>
> >> On Apr 22, 2012, at 04:39 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:
> >>
> >> Not really hard drive space.
> >> More throughput. Recording to a different drive to the one running the
OS.
> >>
> >> Steve P.
> >>
> >> On 22 Apr 2012, at 22:06, Nick Raspa  wrote:
> >>
> >>> hard drive space is more the concern. Is my understanding correct?
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Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?

[Richard Yates]

> So I now need to echo both Frank and George. Unless you are in position to
> monitor the mechanics of the list, there's simply no way to know how many
soldiers
> there are in the great lurker army. I bet there are a lot of us.
> 
> David Lawrence

The list's web page at Sam Houston State Univ says it includes 389
"Non-digested" Members of Finale and 401 "Digested" Members of Finale. I
lurk mostly since I am still using Finale 2007 and waiting for the perfect
upgrade, but I find the list valuable and interesting.



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Re: [Finale] Multi-button input device

[Richard Yates]

For myself, I cannot think of an efficient use of that many shortcuts.
Anyway, TGTools lets me program all the special keys I need - all the
function keys (in combinations with shift, ctrl, alt) plus a few others.
f2-f5 are layers, Speedy is f7, Articulations are f9, ties are the "/" on
the keypad, etc.


> Looks fairly straightforward to me, but maybe there's something I'm not
thinking
> about, like perhaps something that Finale wold have to enable but doesn't.
My
> main desire would be stuff like press, say, 36 and Speedy tool is
selected, etc.
> 
> Also, has anyone had any success using Dragon Dictate to control various
> elements of Finale?
> 
>  Richard
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Re: [Finale] Finale and Illustrator

[Richard Yates]

Going directly from Finale to eps from the graphics window can leave fonts
behind, depending on your Finale version, settings, OS, and the phase of the
moon. Print-to-pdf then converting to eps is, from what I have experienced
and read here, more reliable. But, whatever works...

> What Richard says is true, but you can also export the Finale file as EPS
via the
> Graphics Menu.  This will open in Illustrator and everything is editable.
> J D Thomas
> ThomaStudios
> 
> On Mar 4, 2012, at 7:11 AM, David Froom wrote:
> 
> > Dear collective wisdom,
> >
> > Does anyone export Finale in such a way that individual elements are
editable in
> Illustrator?  I seem to remember someone telling me that this is possible.
(EPS?
> compiling PS?) I have a student who is interested in doing this.  He is a
double
> major (Art) and has good Illustrator skills.
> >
> > If anyone could point me in the right direction -- or suggest another
way (with
> different graphics programs) to accomplish this in some form, please let
me know.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > David Froom
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Re: [Finale] Finale and Illustrator

[Richard Yates]

I print to the Adobe pdf driver, open the pdf file in Acrobat Professional,
and 'save as...' eps. These files open in illustrator and individual
elements can be edited.

Richard Yates


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Of
> David Froom
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 7:12 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] Finale and Illustrator
> 
> Dear collective wisdom,
> 
> Does anyone export Finale in such a way that individual elements are
editable in
> Illustrator?  I seem to remember someone telling me that this is possible.
(EPS?
> compiling PS?) I have a student who is interested in doing this.  He is a
double
> major (Art) and has good Illustrator skills.
> 
> If anyone could point me in the right direction -- or suggest another way
(with
> different graphics programs) to accomplish this in some form, please let
me know.
> 
> Thank you,
> David Froom
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Re: [Finale] Mixdown

[Richard Yates]

> First of all, they are working off a copy of an existing orchestra
recording, for the
> most part. That means that questions of timbre, volume, balance, phrasing,
etc.,
> can be tweaked according to the highest professional standards (maybe they
don't
> ATTAIN those standards, but they have the standard in their ear as they
work

Yes, and even better than having it 'in your ear,' you can layout the
existing recording side-by-side with the Finale MIDI in a program like SONAR
and then massage the MIDI beats to exactly line up with the recording. For
rubatic chamber music that goes a long way to making a convincing MIDI. I
did that for Editions Orphee who put out a flute-viola-guitar version of a
Debussy flute-viola-harp piece. I am by no means a pro at that and this was
a one-time project, but I was pleased with the results. Here are links to
the final mp3s - all from Finale MIDI and soundfonts:

http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/01-Pastorale-V-G-F.mp3
http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/02-Interlude-V-G-F.mp3
http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/03-Final-V-G-F.mp3

 

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Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word

[Richard Yates]

> so i think your solution is the best i have come across, but it just seems
stupid that
> FIN-PDF-EPS-MS gets higher quality and better functionality than
FIN-EPS-MS.

You are right, of course, but for years nothing at all worked so I am still
thrilled there is a way!


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Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word

[Richard Yates]

I always print to Adobe pdf printer driver (include fonts), open in Acrobat,
crop, save as EPS, import into Word. It shows as rough tif preview graphic
on screen but prints fine.

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Of
> SN jef chippewa
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 7:26 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
> 
> 
> exporting EPS from finale i can view them correctly in graphics programmes
but
> then when using them in word they appear as full black images.  tif (1200
ppi)
> functions fine.
> 
> i saved the same word file as PS, opened in distiller (set to convert to
1200 ppi)
> and the resulting PDF is only 150 ppi...?
> 
> anyone know why this might happen?
> 
> trying to get a PDF of the score and covers/notes ready for publisher...
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Re: [Finale] Deauthorize via Customer Support

[Richard Yates]

I think it was a joke, Darcy.

> Hi Brian,
> MM has a database with the name and contact information of each registered
> owner and their associated serial. 
> Cheers, DJA

> On 9 Aug 2011, at 7:13 PM, Brian Williams wrote:
> 
> > Maybe MM is just trying to make sure that unscrupulous people who have
> > surreptitiously obtained serial numbers aren't trying to
> > illegitimately deauthorize them.


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Re: [Finale] Win7(64), Finale 2011b.r2 and eps export

[Richard Yates]

Producing eps has been intermittently problematic for decades. What I was
doing worked until System 7. I now get best results by first printing as pdf
(embedding system fonts) then opening that pdf in Acrobat, cropping there if
necessary, and then saving as eps. That works for me (for now).

Richard Yates

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Of
> Pierre Bailleul
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:03 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] Win7(64), Finale 2011b.r2 and eps export
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> When I export in eps a default document [Win7(64), Finale 2011b.r2] there
is
> something wrong with the default fonts. The eps file is openned with
illustrator :
> - Score, Title, Composer, Measure numbers  (Times NR) ok.
> - Clefs, Staves, Measure bars, Time signature (Maestro) ok.
> - Beams, ok.
> - Noteheads and rests (Myriad pro) wrong?
> Also, same results when I change the maestro default music font to
engraver font?
> 
> Thanks for your aid.
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RE: [Finale] [OT] plural of rubato = rubati?

[Richard Yates]

And the Liberty bell is in Fluffya, Pennsylvania.

>Of course, the
> natives pronounced Rochester in two syllables, "Rah-tchtah." 
> Christopher

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RE: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

[Richard Yates]

> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Gerhard Torges
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:17 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
> 
> Hello Richard!
> 
> Am 01.03.2011 um 00:46 schrieb Richard Yates:
> 
> >>> As I struggle with updating the archives of the Vermont Composers
> >>> (as well as my own work), I wonder: Who will do this? Will the work
> >>> of an entire generation be lost?
> >>
> >> Not if it's taken care of.
> >>
> >> This is, transferring it into a format which can be read independent
> >> of
> > machines of
> >> any kind. Paper.
> >>
> >> Write down your works on paper, an they'll last.
> >> Gerhard
> >
> > Yes and, before long, music scanning software will have advanced
> > sufficiently to import it.
> 
> This could take a while. :-)
> 
> BTW: Are you related to guitarist Stanley Yates?
> Regards,
> Gerhard

Not that we know of. My 'Yates' ancestor came over from England in 1876. I
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RE: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

[Richard Yates]

> > As I struggle with updating the archives of the Vermont Composers (as
> > well as my own work), I wonder: Who will do this? Will the work of an
> > entire generation be lost?
> 
> Not if it's taken care of.
> 
> This is, transferring it into a format which can be read independent of
machines of
> any kind. Paper.
> 
> Write down your works on paper, an they'll last.
> Gerhard

Yes and, before long, music scanning software will have advanced
sufficiently to import it. 

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RE: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

[Richard Yates]

Is that a measure-attached expression or a text block?

> -Original Message-
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Of
> Steve Parker
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:46 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
> 
> 'This page would have been left blank if it could have been without
generating
> complaints of missing music'
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 Feb 2011, at 22:12, Richard Yates wrote:
> 
> > Better?: "This page intentionally contains only fifty-four
> > characters."
> > [Count 'em!]
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RE: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

[Richard Yates]

> At 6:04 PM + 2/19/11, Steve Parker wrote:
> >Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-)

Better?: "This page intentionally contains only fifty-four characters."
[Count 'em!]
 
> That's often found in really WELL laid out Broadway books.  I don't recall
seeing it
> anyplace else.  But it's a very legitimate technique when page turns would
> otherwise be impossible.  It would be a brave editor who used it,
especially if it
> threw the music into an extra signature (4 pages).

I have used it in collections of individual pieces, many with two pages, so
that page turns are avoided.

Richard Yates

> 
> John
> 
> 
> --
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> College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A.
24061-0240
> Vox (540) 231-8411  Fax (540) 231-5034
> (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu)
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> 
> "We never play anything the same way once."  Shelly Manne's definition of
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RE: [Finale] Eps page export / resize staff

[Richard Yates]

I think the suggestion (and the way I do it with FinWin2007) is to print a
page as pdf then open that in Acrobat, crop as I want, and save as eps with
fonts. Those eps files seem to be working fine across applications and
platforms. Richard Yates

> Printing finale page file with adobe pdf is working well, but I'd like to
work on eps file
> (with all the fonts) in illustrator.
> Pierre
> 
> Did you try doing this via a PDF, as suggested? What happens in that case?
> 
> Dennis
> 
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[Finale] OT: historical analogy

[Richard Yates]

No Finale content here (except that I am writing an article that includes a
score and examples done in Finale).

Thomas Crecquillon wrote "Ung Gay Bergier" (A Happy Shepherd?) in the first
half of the 16th century. It became one of the greatest hits of the next few
decades inspiring nearly three dozen known versions for keyboard and lute.
For instance, Simone Molinaro published an elaborated intabulation for lute
more than 50 years later.

By analogy, in the 21st century, what is today's equivalent of "Ung Gay
Bergier," i.e. a piece of music decades old that is a favorite for recasting
in new arrangements?

Richard Yates

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RE: [Finale] Installation woes

[Richard Yates]

> I had to uninstall and reinstall again, but I've now managed 
> to get Finale 2008a back. But I'm back where I started, 
> because when I copy my plug-ins (backed up from the previous 
> installation), the error message on launching Finale comes back.
> 
> The only new plug-ins I tried recently are Jari's. So I 
> erased all of them. 
> No help. I then deleted all the plug-ins I remember adding 
> (RP, TGTools, etc.). Still no help. But when I delete all the 
> plug-ins in the folder, the error message dissapears. So, 
> unless someone has tips to offer as to which could be the 
> culprit, I'll have to delete them one by one, restart Finale, 
> and see...

It's a small point, but might save some time. You don't have to do them one
at a time. Use a binary search. Try half of them, then half of those (or the
other half), etc. You will narrow it down faster.

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{Spam} RE: [Finale] Installation woes

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> > 1) The Finale 2008a updated won't run, and claims Finale isn't 
> > installed on my machine.
> > 2) My authorization gets lost each time I quit Finale, so I have to 
> > reauthorize.
> 
> Are you logged in as admin during installation? Anti-virus 
> turned OFF during installation?

Even if you are logged on in an administrator account, you may have to
right-click on the installer or the Finale exe file and select "Run as
administrator." I couldn't get rid of PhotoShop's legal verbiage until I did
that.

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RE: [Finale] Boxes around text

[Richard Yates]

Unless it's changed since Finale2007:

Text Tool, create some text.
Text menu, Standard Frame, type in the line thickness that you want. 

(Years ago I did a whole book of text and music using only Finale 1998!)

Richard Yates

> What is the sensible method for putting text on a page with a 
> box round it?
> 
> I've scoured the manual..
> 
> Steve P.

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RE: [Finale] music spacing

[Richard Yates]

> Is it 100% correct that it [Update Layout] only changes measure widths?

If "incorporate manual positioning" is checked, then tweaks to spacing
inside a measure are preserved proportionately when Update Layout changes
measure widths. 

> Is it possible to lock measure widths?

Not that I know of. You can lock the number of measures in a system.

> Ok. So if I enter music and fine tune it on pages 1-20, I can 
> then enter music on page 21 onwards, have access to automatic 
> music spacing (or is it just manual spacing?),

Automatic music spacing does nothing to tweaks inside other measures. 

> and update 
> layout as long as I only update from 21 onwards OR as long as 
> I only update after switching off Auto Music Spacing?

No. Update Layout affects only the width and number of measures in systems.
It has no effect on relative spacing adjustments inside a measure
(regardless of what is checked in "manual positioning" or Automatic Music
Spacing.)

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RE: [Finale] music spacing

[Richard Yates]

You can still use automatic music spacing (for instance in Speedy Entry or
adding articulations) on later measures without it affecting earlier spacing
UNTIL you do an Update Layout for the whole document. If 'incorporate'
manual positioning is checked, the only spacing that will be interfered with
is manual changes to measure widths. Always do those last.

Also, Update Layout only affects your current and later pages. Earlier pages
are not affected. 
 
Richard Yates

> Thanks for reply - this clarifies it.
> Is it correct then that if I write half a score and move 
> elements around that I then have no access to automatic music 
> spacing for the rest of the score unless I'm prepared to have 
> it interfere with what I've already done?

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{Spam} RE: [Finale] blank boxes

[Richard Yates]

> I used Finale decades (just about) ago. Then used Igor 
> Engraver pretty much from the beginning and as a beta tester.

Hi Steve. Welcome to Finale. Any chance that you have a secret Noteheads
code or address that can persuade them to stop sending me monthly emails? I
sometimes imagine a time thousands of years from now when civilization and
technology have crumbled except for this one email server faithfully sending
out its monthly notices. Kind if like Wall-E, but not as cute.

Richard Yates

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{Spam} RE: Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 89, Issue 20

[Richard Yates]

 > > Is there a way to specify how many systems per page?
> > I have three staves per system.
> > Trying to get 5 systems per page like I see in my Handel 
> Messiah copy:

Page Layout Tool --> Space Systems Evenly --> Place _ systems on each page

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{Spam} RE: [Finale] pickup bug?(II)

[Richard Yates]

It happens in FinWin2007 for all such pickup measures (dotted
eighth-sixteenth in quarter pickup, etc).
 
> Hmmm...
> Can anyone on the list reproduce this, or is it just me? 
> *FinMac 2011*. Speedy entry. Eighth note pickup measure has 
> the dotted rhythm: dotted 16th-32nd.
> When I dot the 16th, the cursor jumps to the next measure!
> Not a _major_ problem, as I _can_ put the cursor back in the 
> pickup measure and complete it correctly, but with a lot of 
> such pickup measure it gets tedious. (Small) bug?
> Eric

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RE: [Finale] More questions

[Richard Yates]

Probably nothing wrong. Added measures do not inherit the system reduction
(or is it the staff reduction?) of the existing ones. It's bugged me for
years. Richard Yates

> I opened one of my templates from 2010 in 2011.  When I add 
> measures to this document the staves on the second page are a 
> different size!  
> They are maybe 25% smaller. What did I do wrong now? I 
> presume the template is corrupted, but maybe it's something else.
> 
> Mike G.
> 
> www.mikegreensill.com
> 
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RE: [Finale] OT: Converting to PDF on a PC

[Richard Yates]

I like Bullzip a lot. 

http://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php

Richard Yates 

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> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:04 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] OT: Converting to PDF on a PC
> 
> What's the best way to create a PDF file on a PC? Trying to 
> help a friend, but I'm a Mac user. Looks like he'll have to 
> get a 3rd party program but I'm hoping someone can recommend 
> a good share- or freeware option.
> Thanks!
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RE: [Finale] best-selling, most advanced notation software...?!

[Richard Yates]

> Hard to tell from their website, but it looks about as 
> sophisticated in terms of entry as Music Construction Set for 
> the Commodore 64.

The cutting edge in its time!

Richard Yates

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RE: [Finale] Finale 2011 now available for pre-order

[Richard Yates]

I agree (although I recognize that some features may excite others). Having
the program put the right rests in a pickup measure might save me one minute
a year. For $119? I think not.
Richard Yates
 
> Wow, talk about lackluster.

> > FYI, we're now taking pre-orders for Finale 2011.

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RE: [Finale] print forces update layout??

[Richard Yates]

> This method does not provide the right amount of space  for 
> the parenthesis after the 3/1 for the courtesy time signature 
> at the end of a system.

I've been too lazy to track all of these suggestions and I also wallow in
the obsolete depths of Finale2007, but... 

What about a custom articulation attached to the last note of the measure in
which you need space at the end of the bar? If avoiding collisions of
articulations is checked, it always puts the articulation inside the right
barline. 

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RE: [Finale] print forces update layout??

[Richard Yates]

MassMover, Select all, 'L', locks the  layout. Does that prevent the kludge
undo?

> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu 
> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Mark D Lew
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:51 PM
> To: Finale-List 3
> Subject: [Finale] print forces update layout??
> 
> I have a piece that includes a kludge which requires me to 
> NOT update layout.  Everything seems fine until I print and 
> then it updates layout anyway and undoes my kludge.  Is there 
> a setting somewhere that's doing this?
> 
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RE: [Finale] What is the name of this piece?

[Richard Yates]

 

> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu 
> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Noel Stoutenburg
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:49 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] What is the name of this piece?
> 
> Richard Yates wrote:
> > The contents page of Leopoldo Miguez's 12 Pecas 
> Caracteristicas looks 
> > like
> > this:
> >
> >   http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MiguezTOC.jpg
> >
> > What is the title of piece #8? I seem to very vaguely recall this 
> > being a symbol for something (but my brain may be making that up!).
> 
> I don't know, but since Miguez seems to have been Brazilian, 
> and since I subscribe to an email list devoted to Latin 
> American Music, I took the liberty of cross-posting the message there.
> 
> ns

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RE: [Finale] What is the name of this piece?

[Richard Yates]

Well, that's a clue (and maybe where I remember it). Anyone else got any
ideas? 

> 
> G'day Richard
> Schumann has a piece with the same title in his Album For the Young.
> David McKay
> 
> On 1 May 2010 13:20, Richard Yates  wrote:
> 
> > The contents page of Leopoldo Miguez's 12 Pecas 
> Caracteristicas looks 
> > like
> > this:
> >
> >  http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MiguezTOC.jpg
> >
> > What is the title of piece #8? I seem to very vaguely recall this 
> > being a symbol for something (but my brain may be making that up!).
> >
> > Richard Yates
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[Finale] What is the name of this piece?

[Richard Yates]

The contents page of Leopoldo Miguez's 12 Pecas Caracteristicas looks like
this:

 http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MiguezTOC.jpg

What is the title of piece #8? I seem to very vaguely recall this being a
symbol for something (but my brain may be making that up!).

Richard Yates

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RE: [Finale] Make tab from Notation

[Richard Yates]

Add a tab staff with the Staff Tool. Select All with Mass Mover. Drag
everything to the tab staff. 

> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu 
> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of George Ports
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:01 AM
> To: Finale Forum
> Subject: [Finale] Make tab from Notation
> 
> Have been able to make tab from notation for a lot of years. 
> All of a sudden, I can't make it work! Am sure I must have 
> hit some key or unchecked something to cause this. Can 
> anyboby help me with this? Am using WinFin 2006.
> Thanks,
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RE: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file

[Richard Yates]

In Word I went to Insert--> symbol and found it. That slot says that
Alt+0206 also places that character but when I do that a slightly different
natural sign is inserted. I don't know why that is. In Word, Font-->
Character Spacing can adjust up or down, also.
 
> And what character(s) should I type in to get the natural sign?
> 
> 
> On Mar 22, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Richard Yates wrote:
> 
> > Use MaestroTimes, not Maestro.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Martin Banner
> mban...@hvc.rr.com
> 
> http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22
> 
> http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=banner&sear
> ch=Search
> 
> http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=search&mode=normal&words=Banner
> 
> http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=&cfC=Banner&cfID=
> 
> http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quick&cid=Martin+Banner
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RE: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file

[Richard Yates]

Use MaestroTimes, not Maestro. 

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Martin Banner
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:21 AM
> To: Finale
> Subject: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file
> 
> I am writing an editorial preface for one of my editions and 
> want to put a natural sign in a paragraph. When I use maestro 
> font and "n", I get the natural sign, but it appears lower 
> than the rest of the text.  
> I have tried increasing the size of the font(no good, still 
> too low), as well as using superscript (too high above the 
> rest of the text).  
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Martin Banner
> mban...@hvc.rr.com
> 
> http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22
> 
> http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=banner&sear
> ch=Search
> 
> http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=search&mode=normal&words=Banner
> 
> http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=&cfC=Banner&cfID=
> 
> http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quick&cid=Martin+Banner
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RE: [Finale] OT Time Signatures in MS Word documents

[Richard Yates]

I just tried it in Word and it come out like this:
http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MusicMeter.pdf

Use the settings in Format...Font. The 3 is superscript and larger than
normal type, the 4 is subscript and larger than normal. Set character
spacing to "condensed" and "by [the altered font size]". For other
signatures you could just copy this pair and change the numbers. In a
paragraph you may also have to alter the line spacing of that line.

I can't guarantee anything, but it looks like it works. 

Richard Yates




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> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:55 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] OT Time Signatures in MS Word documents
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions on methods for 
> typing/inserting time signatures in WORD documents, ideally 
> so that the numbers are vertically in line?
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RE: [Finale] Sibelius features?

[Richard Yates]

Thank you Andrew. 

> 
> These have been possible in Sibelius since version 4 or 
> possibly even earlier. The fingering text style is already 
> set up for this behaviour almost - you just need to redefine 
> the default horizontal distance from the notehead (in the 
> Default positions dialogue box). For the second, simply 
> select the "erase background" option in the fingering text style.
> 
> 
> On 3 March 2010 16:07, Richard Yates  wrote:
> 
> > Every couple of versions or so I check to see if two essential 
> > features of Finale have been implemented in Sibelius. I asked about 
> > these on the Sibelius forum and got a response saying that 
> they were, 
> > but I wanted to double-check here where there are so many 
> power users 
> > familiar with both programs. Here are the features:
> >
> > 1. I prefer LH fingering numbers (guitar) a precise distance to the 
> > left of the notehead, but with flexibility for the vertical 
> placement. 
> > In Finale I can hold down a key and click a notehead, and the 
> > fingering number is placed at the vertical position of the 
> click and 
> > the preset distance from the notehead (regardless of where 
> I click on 
> > the notehead horizontally).
> >
> > 2. I like LH fingering numbers in which there is a small 
> amount of the 
> > staff line whited out.
> >
> > Does anyone know if Sibelius can do these?
> >
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RE: [Finale] Playback Bugs

[Richard Yates]

 

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Chuck Israels
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:07 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Playback Bugs
> 
> 
> On Mar 4, 2010, at 7:44 AM, Michael Lawlor wrote:
> 
> > P.S.  Another problem I forgot to mention that has affected other 
> > files as well as this one: on some occasions, whenever I click 
> > anywhere with the mouse, no matter what tool is selected, Finale 
> > always starts playback.  I can either wait for it to 
> finish, or force 
> > it to close using the Windows task manager.

I get unstoppable playback only when I use 'Space-click' to start the
playback, but never when I use the playback controls. Also, playback somehow
disables the 'close' X at the top-right of the Finale window and I have to
exit using the File menu instead. Go figure.

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RE: [Finale] Layout misbehavior

[Richard Yates]

> Found it! (in the Page Layout-Menu, naturally) And there was 
> indeed a page break between the systems, which I have now 
> dissolved. But how did it get there in the first place???

Sibelius hackers.

> Thanks for the tip!

Thanks for the chance to show that my memory has not completely
deteriorated!

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RE: [Finale] Layout misbehavior

[Richard Yates]

I think I've seen this but don't quite remember what was going on. Is there
a page break inserted in the layout in the middle of the system? 

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> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:38 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] Layout misbehavior
> 
> Ok, I haven't run across this one before:
> I have a long piece with 8 staves per system and, until 
> today, two systems fit well on one page. Now, suddenly, the 
> systems are arranged in Page View as follows:
> 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | etc.
> 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
> that is, each system appears _twice, once at the bottom, once 
> at the top of the next page. In "Scroll View" everything is 
> fine, by the way, with no duplications of any kind.
> "Update Layout" does nothing (my first thought) and neither 
> does "Data Check". In my desperation I finally exported the 
> file via Music XML and imported it again. The result was a 
> document with a _single_ system per page
> 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |
> and a strange symbol in the upper left corner which looks 
> like the old carriage return sign: |_>  In the new file I 
> can't get two systems onto one page, although there's enough 
> room. It would seem that this is being prevented by the 
> "carriage return" symbol.
> Can anybody help me with this?
> Eric
> 
> 
> Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) 
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> e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de
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[Finale] Sibelius features?

[Richard Yates]

Every couple of versions or so I check to see if two essential features of
Finale have been implemented in Sibelius. I asked about these on the
Sibelius forum and got a response saying that they were, but I wanted to
double-check here where there are so many power users familiar with both
programs. Here are the features:

1. I prefer LH fingering numbers (guitar) a precise distance to the left of
the notehead, but with flexibility for the vertical placement. In Finale I
can hold down a key and click a notehead, and the fingering number is placed
at the vertical position of the click and the preset distance from the
notehead (regardless of where I click on the notehead horizontally).

2. I like LH fingering numbers in which there is a small amount of the staff
line whited out. 

Does anyone know if Sibelius can do these?

Richard Yates

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RE: [Finale] Help with strange dashed line

[Richard Yates]

I got the file but it is in a later version than my 2007.  

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> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:20 AM
> To: Finale
> Subject: [Finale] Help with strange dashed line
> 
> Hello wisdom,
> 
> I have an old file, created in 1996, FinWin 3.06r2, which I'm 
> updating. 
> At the bottom of the first page, there is a strange dashed 
> line I can't get rid of. Also, I can't find out (or remember) 
> with which tool it was created.
> It's here: home.wanadoo.nl/btouburg/finale/bvb.mus.
> Any help is greatly appreciated!
> (F.y.i.: a viola ingrandita is a viola with a fifth string, 
> there's only one instrument, in Amsterdam.)
> 
> Thanks!
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RE: [Finale] Help with strange dashed line

[Richard Yates]

I get "Pagina niet gevonden - 404"

Can you post the whole URL? 

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> To: Finale
> Subject: [Finale] Help with strange dashed line
> 
> Hello wisdom,
> 
> I have an old file, created in 1996, FinWin 3.06r2, which I'm 
> updating. 
> At the bottom of the first page, there is a strange dashed 
> line I can't get rid of. Also, I can't find out (or remember) 
> with which tool it was created.
> It's here: home.wanadoo.nl/btouburg/finale/bvb.mus.
> Any help is greatly appreciated!
> (F.y.i.: a viola ingrandita is a viola with a fifth string, 
> there's only one instrument, in Amsterdam.)
> 
> Thanks!
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RE: [Finale] beaming problem

[Richard Yates]

If you must use a tuplet instead of a time signature  of 12/8 as four dotted
wuaters, then you have to use the Broken Beam Tool to switch the sixteenth
beamlet to the other side.

> Here's my beaming problem. I have a piece in common time 
> where some of the beats use the typical rhythm of a 12/8 time 
> sig: dotted 8th + 16th + 8th in the value of a quarter note. 
> So I define use a tuplet with "1 dotted quarter in the space 
> of 1 quarter", and I get my three notes. But the beam for the 
> 16th is on the wrong side, i.e. between notes 2 and 3 instead 
> of notes 1 and 2. Rebeaming the music doesn't change this.
> 
> www.collins.lautre.net/files/beaming.jpg (what I want, and what I get)
> 
> What am I doing wrong, or how can I get around this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dennis

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RE: [Finale] beaming problem

[Richard Yates]

Is your 12/8 not set up in the Time Signature dialog box as 4 dotted
quarters? 

Also, your jpg link is broken.

Richard Yates


> Here's my beaming problem. I have a piece in common time 
> where some of the beats use the typical rhythm of a 12/8 time 
> sig: dotted 8th + 16th + 8th in the value of a quarter note. 
> So I define use a tuplet with "1 dotted quarter in the space 
> of 1 quarter", and I get my three notes. But the beam for the 
> 16th is on the wrong side, i.e. between notes 2 and 3 instead 
> of notes 1 and 2. Rebeaming the music doesn't change this.
> 
> www.collins.lautre.net/files/beaming.jpg (what I want, and what I get)
> 
> What am I doing wrong, or how can I get around this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dennis
> 
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RE: [Finale] stem direction question

[Richard Yates]

I frequently run into this situation in guitar music. I have never found a
rule for the stem direction of the middle stems and so always point the
stems to best minimize confusion caused by wrongly reading the notes of two
voices with stems in the same direction as one voice (and not adding up
correctly, of course). I think it is often better if the top line is the
only one with up stems, but there are exceptions. Richard's idea of changing
the middle voice half notes to two tied quarters is a practical solution
that completely avoids ambiguity. 

And, yes, the alignment of the rests in your example (both horizontally and
vertically) does not look right to me. No reason for the first in each
measure not to be higher. 

Richard Yates


> Say you have three voices on one staff, as in the first bars 
> (left hand), of the Goldbergs (see link to scan below). 
> Assuming the upper voice has all its stems upwards, the lower 
> voice all stems downwards, what is the rule for the middle part?
> 
> www.collins.lautre.net/files/goldberg.jpg
> 
> (By the way, shouldn't the rests in these bars be 
> horizontally aligned?)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dennis

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RE: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)

[Richard Yates]

They are all here: http://themes.mididb.com/anthems/ with no lyrics. These
versions are fully harmonized but  the timing is clean and the melodies are
on separate staffs so it's easy to copy them out.

MIDIs and lyrics are here: http://www.nationalanthems.info/ but the MIDI
files need a little tweaking (set the key correctly, etc.)


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> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Lawrence Yates
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:07 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)
> 
> Are there any specific ones you want?
> 
> I was booked to play a few anthems at a ceremony last year 
> and had to arrange everything for brass trio (trpt, horn; 
> trombone)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lawrence
> 
> 2010/1/22 SN jef chippewa 
> 
> >
> >  i came across this source...
> >>
> >
> > euh, this one: http://www.nationalanthems.info
> >
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RE: [Finale] grace notes and reduction Fin2007

[Richard Yates]

Thanks for the link. It comes up infrequently enough that it's not worth
changing fonts. Does the same thing happen in later versions than 2007?

> Use the CombiNumerals font:
> 
> http://www.fontspace.com/the-fontsite/combinumerals
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - DJA
> -
> WEB: http://secretsociety.typepad.com
> 
> On 18 Jan 2010, at 3:07 PM, Richard Yates wrote:
> 
> >> My opinion is that it should be under the grace note, since to me, 
> >> that's part of the ensuing phrase.  But attach it to the 
> main note so 
> >> as not to have it reduced to 75%.  At least on FinMac 2K7.
> >> J D  Thomas
> > 
> > I have a set of articulations for string numbers made in the shape 
> > designer using a circle and a number. When attaching one to a grace 
> > note, the number in the circle is reduced to the percent of 
> the note, 
> > but the circle stays the original size. Bo!
> > 
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[Finale] grace notes and reduction Fin2007

[Richard Yates]

> My opinion is that it should be under the grace note, since 
> to me, that's part of the ensuing phrase.  But attach it to 
> the main note so as not to have it reduced to 75%.  At least 
> on FinMac 2K7.
> J D  Thomas

I have a set of articulations for string numbers made in the shape designer
using a circle and a number. When attaching one to a grace note, the number
in the circle is reduced to the percent of the note, but the circle stays
the original size. Bo!

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RE: [Finale] importing pdf as graphic

[Richard Yates]

Acrobat Reader 9 has this Print Dialog box:

http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/AcroReader-print.jpg
 

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> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:05 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] importing pdf as graphic
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:08 PM, George Brooke wrote:
> 
> > Are your pdf pages in separate files or all in one big 
> file? If they 
> > are all in one file with pages in the correct order (page 
> 1, page 2, 
> > page 3,
> > etc)
> > then Acrobat Reader can print a booklet. It is an option in 
> the Page 
> > Scaling drop down.
> >
> 
> Page Scaling dropdown? Where? I don't see it.
> 
> --Andrew
> 
> Andrew Stiller
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> 
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RE: [Finale] nudge different according to view percent

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> >And going the other direction, too. If you are in wide view, nudge 
> >something and it goes too far, the intuitive thing to do (for my 
> >intuition at least!) would be to nudge it back, then zoom in 
> and nudge 
> >it again. If it nudged the same distance in the score I would be 
> >complaining about it.
> 
> REALLY!?  you mean when you are dealing with the look of the 
> score you think it is better to change view percentages?

Better than what? 
  
> in my view, it is best to do as much as possible at the same 
> view so that what you see is on the same scale as much as 
> possible.  this ensures a much greater consistency.  and you 
> can work quicker, not having to zoom in and out and drag teh 
> page as often.  then for the few cases where you need a more 
> fine view, you zoom in.

Well, that's just what I was saying, "when you need a more fine view you
zoom in." And when you do zoom in you want finer control of movement.
 
> in my experience, the types of collisions that you need to 
> move things for are very often on a similar scale (distance 
> between items on score, not screen), therefore it seems to em 
> to make sense that the default be to move by "score" distances.

To quote you: "REALLY!?" The nudge of a fingering number in front of a
notehead is very small since I autoplace them with a metatool. Moving an
expression is often much larger. Moving a barline might be another distance
entirely. 
 
Jari's suggestion that this be an option seems best for the variety of
methods.

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RE: [Finale] nudge different according to view percent

[Richard Yates]

 It seems the most logical to me (genuinely a feature, not a bug). If you
are in a highly magnified view, presumably you want to make very small
adjustments; if you are in a wider view you want larger ones. 

Also, it means that you can quickly change how far nudging nudges by
switching view percentage - far easier than changing the setting for number
of pixels nudged in program Options.

Richard Yates

> yeah, well, i know... but somehow... i was hoping against the 
> odds that i had misunderstood something.  is there a valid 
> reason for items to nudge according to the screen pixels and 
> not in relation to the music they are associated with?
> 
> >>is this because the setting is related to the screen pixel 
> and not the 
> >>score itself?
> >
> >Yes, nudging has always been based on screen pixels. At the "Program 
> >Options/Edit" page it even says "Arrow Keys Nudge Items By ___ 
> >Pixel(s)".
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RE: [Finale] nudge different according to view percent

[Richard Yates]

> Probably because some people would think the feature was 
> broken otherwise (when zooming out and the items doesn't seem 
> to move visually at a keyboard nudge).

And going the other direction, too. If you are in wide view, nudge something
and it goes too far, the intuitive thing to do (for my intuition at least!)
would be to nudge it back, then zoom in and nudge it again. If it nudged the
same distance in the score I would be complaining about it. 

> I have also wanted 
> nudge to be score-measurement related in the past, an option 
> on how it should behave here would be nice.

Yes, the option would be good. 

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RE: [Finale] Defining Staff Styles

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In Fin2007 there are just 'New' and 'Delete' options. Seems like 'Duplicate'
would be an obvious and easy feature. Oh well. 

> I believe you can do that from within the staff styles dialog 
> -- isn't there a Duplicate button like there is in the 
> Expressions dialog?
> David
> 
> 
> Richard Yates wrote:
> > Thanks, David. I must have dreamed it. What about 
> duplicating existing 
> > staff styles for modifying and saving with a different name?
> > 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu
> >> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dhbailey
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 7:50 AM
> >> To: finale@shsu.edu
> >> Subject: Re: [Finale] Defining Staff Styles
> >>
> >> Richard Yates wrote:
> >>> In my limited experience with Staff Styles, I thought you could 
> >>> highlight a section with Staff Tool  and use that as the
> >> basis for a
> >>> staff style instead of having to define it from scratch in
> >> the Define
> >>> Staff Styles box. Did I hallucinate this? FinWin2007 Richard Yates
> >>>
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> >> As far as I know, yes -- I've always had to define my own staff 
> >> styles, never been able to simply highlight a few measures 
> and click 
> >> some magic "create staff style from these measures."  If there is 
> >> such a capability, I haven't heard about it.
> >>
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RE: [Finale] Defining Staff Styles

[Richard Yates]

Thanks, David. I must have dreamed it. What about duplicating existing staff
styles for modifying and saving with a different name?  

> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu 
> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dhbailey
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 7:50 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Defining Staff Styles
> 
> Richard Yates wrote:
> > In my limited experience with Staff Styles, I thought you could 
> > highlight a section with Staff Tool  and use that as the 
> basis for a 
> > staff style instead of having to define it from scratch in 
> the Define 
> > Staff Styles box. Did I hallucinate this? FinWin2007 Richard Yates
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> 
> As far as I know, yes -- I've always had to define my own 
> staff styles, never been able to simply highlight a few 
> measures and click some magic "create staff style from these 
> measures."  If there is such a capability, I haven't heard about it.
> 
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[Finale] Defining Staff Styles

[Richard Yates]

In my limited experience with Staff Styles, I thought you could highlight a
section with Staff Tool  and use that as the basis for a staff style instead
of having to define it from scratch in the Define Staff Styles box. Did I
hallucinate this? FinWin2007 Richard Yates

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RE: [Finale] Unwanted tie end

[Richard Yates]

Thanks, Mark. That did it. 

> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu 
> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Mark D Lew
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Unwanted tie end
> 
> On Nov 1, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Richard Yates wrote:
> 
> > I have a one measure second ending at the end of a system. The one 
> > note in the measure is the end of a tied note. I need a tie 
> that ends 
> > on that note but starts in empty space. I made a tie and pulled it 
> > backwards, but there is now a loose tie end at the start of 
> the next 
> > system. How can I get rid of this? I made it real small and 
> hid it on 
> > top of a nearby notehead but this seems rather inelegant (and 
> > hazardous if respacing is done).
> 
> If the two notes aren't in the same layer, the tie won't try 
> to appear on the note in the following measure.
> 
> Assuming you aren't already using all four layers, I would 
> suggest you make the note where you have the pulled-backward 
> tie in some unused layer. If necessary, you can leave the 
> note in its normal layer but make an extra copy of the same 
> note in the extra layer so that it overwrites it in the exact 
> same place (removing stem and flags if necessary) and use the 
> extra note just for attaching the tie to.
> 
> (I'm pretty sure there's also a way to make the second-ending 
> tie behave properly, but this is my more general kludge for odd tie
> situations.)
> 
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[Finale] Unwanted tie end

[Richard Yates]

I have a one measure second ending at the end of a system. The one note in
the measure is the end of a tied note. I need a tie that ends on that note
but starts in empty space. I made a tie and pulled it backwards, but there
is now a loose tie end at the start of the next system. How can I get rid of
this? I made it real small and hid it on top of a nearby notehead but this
seems rather inelegant (and hazardous if respacing is done). 

Is there another way? FinWin2007.

Richard Yates


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RE: [Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007

[Richard Yates]

> Richard Yates wrote:
> > I have a file in which I cannot change the time signatures 
> of any measures.
> > The Time Signature Dialog Box seems to work normally but 
> the measures 
> > do not change when I exit the box. Nothing in the box seems to have 
> > any effect (different time display, rebar, etc). The file was 
> > concatenated from several other files that all seem to work 
> normally, 
> > but even fragments of it show the same problem.
> > 
> > Any ideas what is going wrong?
> > 
> > A file is at: 
> http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MGB-Selected-timebug.MUS
> > 
> > Richard Yates
> > 
> 
> This might be a strange solution, but when you turn on 
> Independent Time Signatures, you can change the time 
> signature. As soon as you turn independent time signatures 
> off, they return to 3/8 though. I have no idea what's going on.
> 
> Barbara

Barbara, 

You are a genius and the winner of whatever prize you wish!

I don't know exactly why that works, but it does. The original file had
three staves, the first one in gamba tablature, which is now deleted. It
seems that, somehow, the ghost of that deleted (master?) staff (which you
cannot change) is still hooked to the remaining staff. Checking Independent
Time Signature unhooks it. A similar thing happens with key signature. My
file has "Independent Key Signature" checked. Unchecking that reverts the
key of the original staff even though that has long been deleted. 

(Now I will wait to see how long it takes MakeMusic Tech to solve it!)

Richard

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RE: [Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007

[Richard Yates]

Thanks. Did you use 2007? 

> I tried the file and could change measures no problem.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Richard Yates 
>  wrote:
> > I have a file in which I cannot change the time signatures 
> of any measures.
> > The Time Signature Dialog Box seems to work normally but 
> the measures 
> > do not change when I exit the box. Nothing in the box seems to have 
> > any effect (different time display, rebar, etc). The file was 
> > concatenated from several other files that all seem to work 
> normally, 
> > but even fragments of it show the same problem.
> >
> > Any ideas what is going wrong?
> >
> > A file is at: 
> http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MGB-Selected-timebug.MUS
> >
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[Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007

[Richard Yates]

I have a file in which I cannot change the time signatures of any measures.
The Time Signature Dialog Box seems to work normally but the measures do not
change when I exit the box. Nothing in the box seems to have any effect
(different time display, rebar, etc). The file was concatenated from several
other files that all seem to work normally, but even fragments of it show
the same problem.

Any ideas what is going wrong?

A file is at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MGB-Selected-timebug.MUS

Richard Yates

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RE: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)

[Richard Yates]

 

> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu 
> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:15 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)
> 
> 
> On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 7:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
> 
> > On 22 Oct 2009 at 13:43, Christopher Smith wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 8:20 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >>
> >>> 3. you can bet that there is only very seldom a bug discovered by 
> >>> end users that is not already known by the Finale developers.
> >>
> >> Wow.
> >>
> >> I must be really, really lucky (or unlucky), or the 
> developers don't 
> >> tell the tech support people what they know, because easily 2/3 of 
> >> the issues I report are previously unknown to tech support.
> >
> > Er, tech support != developers.
> 
> 
> Then how come I keep getting responses back from tech support 
> that such-and-such a question will be passed on to the developers?  

Whenever I hear that it sounds like a catch phrase to mollify me. It does
not necessarily mean that happens or anything about MM's organization. 

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RE: [Finale] Interesting behavior

[Richard Yates]

> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of John Howell
> >From what I have seen, string instruments are more 
> comfortable playing 
> >in sharps.
> 
> True (although not responsive to the question), but for two 
> very specific reasons.
> 
> 1.  There are more open strings available in sharp keys.  You 
> start losing open strings with the 2nd flat, but not until 
> the 3rd sharp. 

Nice observation. Hadn't thought of it that way. Even more true for guitar,
on which you lose an open string with the first flat and every one after
that down to c flat (Yah! It's an open string!).

Also, on a string instrument, you can always sharp a note by going up on the
same string while flatting often requires moving to a different string. 

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RE: [SPAM] Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

[Richard Yates]

 
> Carl Dershem wrote:
> > I'm working on a big band piece that has a section in 7 
> flats (C-Flat) 
> > in the middle.  Oddly enough, the guitar and bass parts are in 5 
> > sharps (B).
> > 
> > FinWin2k4
> > 
> > Does anyone have any idea why Finale might do that?  And if so, why 
> > the guitar and bass, but not the piano?  And not the trombones?
> > 
> > Very interesting.
> > 
> > cd
> 
> Maybe the programmers thought that guitarists and bassists 
> can't actually read the music so it won't matter?  :-)

If they thought this, they were half right.

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RE: [Finale] notating a composer's dates

[Richard Yates]

 > (I would, however, use 
> a plain hyphen rather than putting a space on either side; 

I think an 'en dash' is the most often prescribed separator between dates. 

Richard Yates

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RE: [Finale] Hiding rests

[Richard Yates]

Document options -> layers -> adjust floating rests by ...

> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu 
> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of noel jones
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 6:43 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Hiding rests
> 
> What numbers are set to get rid of the offset so that if you 
> have quarter rests on the same beat in different layers, they 
> appear centered on the staff on top of each otherand 
> where do you change the number at?
> 
> 
> Noel Jones, AAGO
> 423 887-7594
> noeljo...@usit.net
> 
> www.thecatholichymnal.com
> 
> Friends, life is short and we do not have much time to 
> gladden the hearts of those who travel with us; so be swift 
> to love and make haste to be kind.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:07 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2009, at 12:12 AM, terry cano wrote:
> >
> >> How can you select several or all rest?
> >> Is there a Mass edit or macro?  Doing each one seperate 
> can be time 
> >> consumimg Terry
> >
> > Sorry, but manual only (unless you also want to hide the notes.)
> >
> > In Speedy, using the right and left arrow for navigation goes very 
> > fast, faster than clicking each one individually.
> >
> > Christopher
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RE: [Finale] Fix horizontal note adjustments

[Richard Yates]

Go to Document options - music spacing - manual positioning - clear. Then
select all music and respace.  

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Dengler
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:03 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] Fix horizontal note adjustments
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I frequently receive scores to engrave in which the composer 
> has made manual horizontal adjustments to the note position.  
> It is not clear to me why these adjustments are made.  The 
> adjustments are usually very small and it is very easy to 
> miss one.  Is there a way to universally change all notes 
> back to their default positions?  There is a plug-in that 
> allows you to clear manual positioning of rests.  I am 
> looking for something similar for notes.  Thanks to anyone 
> who can help.
> 
> Lee Dengler
> Minister of Music, College Mennonite Church Composer 
> Engraver, Editor leedeng...@comcast.net
> 
> 
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RE: [Finale] More problems staff styles....no names

[Richard Yates]

I don't know if 'Compile PostScript listing' ever worked. Get an app like
PrintToPDF ( http://www.jwwalker.com/pages/pdf.html ).

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> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:38 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] More problems staff stylesno names
> 
> On 8/26/2009 2:41 AM, terry cano wrote:
> > I was able to get a part to extract but the Inst name 
> doesn't appear 
> > on the extracted part...it is in the Staff (Full and Abrv) on the 
> > score
> 
> In 2008, the instrument name doesn't get automatically copied 
> from the staff when you extract a part. You need to put a 
> text insert in your score containing the Score/Part Name, and 
> set it to show in the parts but be hidden in the score. (I 
> think this is done for you automatically if you create a new 
> score from a 2008 template.)
> 
> This has to do with linked parts. An extracted part in 2008 
> is nothing more than a saved copy of the linked part. And if 
> you think about it, a linked part can't automatically insert 
> anything -- it has to be something that you put there.
> 
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RE: [Finale] Efficient note entry????

[Richard Yates]

Thanks, Darcy. That helps with part of it. It's the alignment of the
sixteenths in the melody that is the biggest  obstacle.

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> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Darcy James Argue
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:25 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Efficient note entry
> 
> You are on Fin2008, yes?
> 
> Enter the accompaniment entirely in the bottom staff. (You 
> can use Robert's Mass Copy plugin to do all the triplets, or 
> just do them normally and use Utilities -> Change -> Tuplest 
> to hide them).
> 
> Then select the notes from the bottom staff that you want to 
> appear in the top staff and hit opt-up arrow. No need to hide 
> any rests, Finale will do that for you automatically.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - Darcy
> -----
> djar...@earthlink.net
> Brooklyn, NY
> 
> 
> 
> On 11 Aug 2009, at 10:46 PM, Richard Yates wrote:
> 
> >
> > Any suggestions for entering this texture without resorting to 
> > manually tweaking those sixteenths in the melody? It would 
> be a real 
> > drag (and a lot of it) to do it that way, not to mention 
> the triplets 
> > and hidden rests in the bass across two staffs.
> >
> > http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Chanson.jpg (It's Smetana if you're
> > wondering)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Richard Yates
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[Finale] Efficient note entry????

[Richard Yates]

 
Any suggestions for entering this texture without resorting to manually
tweaking those sixteenths in the melody? It would be a real drag (and a lot
of it) to do it that way, not to mention the triplets and hidden rests in
the bass across two staffs.

http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Chanson.jpg (It's Smetana if you're
wondering)

Thanks
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RE: [Finale] re-programming expressions

[Richard Yates]

Select the Expression Tool. Press Shift and the key you want to be the
trigger. Select the expression you want linked to the trigger and then
Enter. 

Pressing that trigger key and clicking on a note of measure now places the
expression. 

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> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:15 AM
> To: FinaleList
> Subject: [Finale] re-programming expressions
> 
> Fin Mac 2K7c
> 
> I am new to this version of FinaleFinale has a metatool set up 
> within the Expression Menu.   How do I change them?
> 
> For example:  if I want a  dynamic, Finale wants me to 
> use 1 as the metatool trigger, but I want to change it to 9 
> as the trigger.  I know this is easy...but I can't find it in the OLD.
> 
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RE: [Finale] Music XML import

[Richard Yates]

> > Hi,
> > Someone sent me XML files produced by Fin2009 or 2009 and I tried 
> > importing them in FinWin2007. I get error messages such as:
> > 
> > "XML error in file Caprichoarabe.xml at line 12: Attirbute 
> > "attributte" must be declared for elment type "supports".
> > "XML error in file Caprichoarabe.xml at line 12: Attribute "value" 
> > must be declared for element type "supports".
> > "XML error in file Caprichoarabe.xml at line 42: Element 
> tuype "appearance"
> > must be declared.
> > 
> > The files then open but are missing lots of stuff (some staves are 
> > blank,
> > etc.)
> > 
> > Can anyone translate these? Is there any hope for getting 
> these files 
> > into FinWin2007?
> > 
> 
> You might contact www.recordare.com and ask them -- they're 
> the people who make the MusicXML plug-ins.  You may need to 
> buy the full version to get the latest version in order to 
> get the full transfer.

> David H. Bailey
> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com

Good idea. I will send it to Recordare and Finale simultaneously. Stay
tuned.


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[Finale] Music XML import

[Richard Yates]

 
Hi, 

Someone sent me XML files produced by Fin2009 or 2009 and I tried importing
them in FinWin2007. I get error messages such as:

"XML error in file Caprichoarabe.xml at line 12: Attirbute "attributte" must
be declared for elment type "supports".
"XML error in file Caprichoarabe.xml at line 12: Attribute "value" must be
declared for element type "supports".
"XML error in file Caprichoarabe.xml at line 42: Element tuype "appearance"
must be declared.

The files then open but are missing lots of stuff (some staves are blank,
etc.)

Can anyone translate these? Is there any hope for getting these files into
FinWin2007?

Richard Yates

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RE: [Finale] Comparing notation systems

[Richard Yates]

< it still completely command-line based? I just don't see 
> using a non-GUI app for producing notation.>>

> I try and follow these technical discussions but surely 
> it's time to give up a thread when the words contained in the 
> reply might as well be in Swahili for all that I can comprehend them.
> Mike G.

I can help with a piece of it since I just heard an interview on NPR that
mentioned this fragment. Most Americans assume that the written "er" is
pronounced as, well, "er." This displays an ignorance of its origins which
are British. The fragment pronounced "uh" is used by most all English
speakers as a pause or interruption but in British English is spelled "er"
consistent with their pronunciation of words like "butter" as "buttuh." No
one says "er" unless they are mistakenly pronouncing the British fragment
sounded "uh" but spelled "er."

Sorry that I can't help you with the rest of it, Mike.


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RE: [Finale] Re: Comparing notation systems

[Richard Yates]

 
> There should also be a bit of unaccompanied Bach violin solo, 
> preferably something like the first movement of the C-major sonata.
> Johannes

>From the outset, the purpose of the enterprise needs to be defined clearly
and explicitly. I am not sure that can be done. 

Already the comments here show a divergence of objectives. The start of the
thread was to compare notation programs. What qualities are to be compared?
Precision of imitation of a sample? Efficiency? Out-of-the-box defaults?
"Attractiveness" of output? "Readability" of output? 

How do you separate users characteristics from program characteristics in
the final product?




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RE: [Finale] Re: Comparing notation systems

[Richard Yates]

As the second place finisher (and Finale user) in the competition I can say
that there were many methodological problems with the contest despite
attempts to minimize them. 

The intent was to have engravers reproduce the samples as closely as
possible. Length of time spent on the reproductions was not controlled.
Judges received blinded submissions but seemed unsure in some cases what
criteria they were to apply. 

I argued that, ANY graphics program, even the much denigrated Apple Paint!,
could produce an exact reproduction of the digitized samples given
sufficient time. 

The most significant differences are often ones of efficiency and so it is
impossible to disentangle software from wetware.

Richard Yates

> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu 
> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Barbara Touburg
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:07 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Comparing notation systems
> 
> Daniel Wolf wrote:
> > Some years ago another engraving-oriented list sponsored a 
> competition 
> > to see how well various notation programs handled the 
> reproduction of, 
> > I believe, two samples of music.  If I recall correctly, 
> the organizer 
> > of the list - who had, it should be noted, a substantial 
> committment 
> > to Score - basically abandoned the competition, but not 
> until after it 
> > had become clear that several Finale users had achieved the 
> best results.
> > That was something of a fiasco, and, given the importance of the 
> > individual engraver to high-end usage, was probably bound to be 
> > problematic when framed only in terms of comparing 
> software.  However, 
> > I still think that a comparison of this sort could prove 
> very useful 
> > if framed less in terms of a competition than in trying to 
> show how various
> > programs and users deal with specific engraving problems.   
> Would anyone 
> > else be interested in organizing such a comparison?
> 
> I have kept the submissions to that study. Yes, I'd like a 
> new comparison! Problem is, people on this list mainly use Finale...
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RE: [Finale] Can't make PDFs from Finale 2k9 Mac

[Richard Yates]

It cannot autoplace articulations X EVPUs to the left of a notehead at the
vertical position of the click. I use that for guitar fingering numbers. 

It cannot design articulations that have a whiteout background to erase
staff lines. 

A few years ago, when I was seriously investigating Sibelius, I spent hours
with the demo and exchanged email with the Sibelius list and Daniel
Spreadbury. These couldn't be done then. If they can now I might switch (or
at least investigate it again). 

> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu 
> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dhbailey
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:27 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Can't make PDFs from Finale 2k9 Mac
> 
> Richard Yates wrote:
> >  
> >> Sorry JD, but I remain a defender of Finale as the best notation 
> >> software out there... and I think there must be many 
> others out there 
> >> who agree with me.
> >> Gary
> > 
> > I'm with you, Gary. I stuck it out for years before EPS 
> creation was 
> > fixed a few years ago. Now I have no big complaints (although that 
> > does not keep me from complaining from time to time).
> > 
> > There are a couple of very specific things that Sibelius cannot do 
> > that are essential for my scores and productivity. The last 
> couple of 
> > upgrades have no features that I really need so I will 
> happily continue to use Fin2007.
> > 
> 
> Just out of curiosity, what can't Sibelius do which are 
> essential for your scores and productivity?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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RE: [Finale] Can't make PDFs from Finale 2k9 Mac

[Richard Yates]

 
> Sorry JD, but I remain a defender of Finale as the best 
> notation software out there... and I think there must be many 
> others out there who agree with me.
> Gary

I'm with you, Gary. I stuck it out for years before EPS creation was fixed a
few years ago. Now I have no big complaints (although that does not keep me
from complaining from time to time).

There are a couple of very specific things that Sibelius cannot do that are
essential for my scores and productivity. The last couple of upgrades have
no features that I really need so I will happily continue to use Fin2007.

Richard 

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RE: [Finale] repeated authorization

[Richard Yates]

This probably has no relevance to Mac, but in Vista even if you are the
administrator and the only user on the computer you have to run the program
AS the administrator when you register. Instead of just clicking on the
setup file (or maybe it's the finale.exe file) you RIGHT-click and select
"run as administrator". Then your registration will 'stick'. Maybe there is
a Mac equivalent of this procedure.


> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu 
> [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Stan Lord
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 11:54 PM
> To: Finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] repeated authorization
> 
> MacFin 2009b.r3
> I know this was discussed a while back but I have forgotten 
> the outcome.
> 
> I keep getting asked to register Finale even though I have 
> registered a number of times.
> 
> Now I am refused registration as I have , apparently, 
> registered too many times.
> 
> On the MM support page they say I must be an administrator to 
> register.
> 
> Well, I am.  There's only me who uses the computer.
> 
> Any ideas??
> 
> Stan Lord
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RE: [Finale] Exporting graphic woe

[Richard Yates]

With the Graphics Tool be sure to DOUBLE-click and drag.  If you
single-click you get a dotted outline box that disappears when you release
the mouse. 

> How do you select a passage in order to export it as a 
> graphic - I can find no way of doing this with the graphic 
> tool open, if I select using the select function, the 
> selection disappears when I click on the graphic function in "tools".

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RE: [Finale] Re: Got Finale 2010 today.

[Richard Yates]

 
> >So much for  a free t-shirt :-)
> 
> stay tuned for the water bottle

How about a bottle of white-out?

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RE: [Finale] it worked fine until they fixed it

[Richard Yates]

After moving the measures go back to page one and Update Layout. 

> My latest gripe with FinMac 2K7 concerns moving measures around.
> 
> After extracting a tuba part, I have 2 pages.  The final page 
> has 3 measures only, so I would like to move these measures 
> to page 1. 
> Here is what I tried:
> 
> MassMover:  select the measures to be moved and hit the UP arrow. 
> The measures move on the screen, but when I print the part, I 
> have two pages with the second page showing 3 measures.  
> Apparently, the measures did not stay where I put them, and 
> don't know why.  2K4c was better behaved, IMHO.
> 
> I am reminded of the way that Nightingale used to 
> behave(and it is an unpleasant memory.)  It seems, once 
> again, that 2K7 requires extra steps to accomplish what 
> earlier versions of Finale did with one step.
> 
> I plan on returning to 2K4c ASAP, but in the meantime, I must 
> fix this tuba part before abandoning 2K7.
> 
> I am relying on The List to help me get this seemingly simple 
> task handled.
> 
> Please advise as to how to move those last 3 measures from 
> Page 1 to Page 2 and get it printed before Finale hoses me again.  :-)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Larry
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