Re: Trivial questions about CNTL-ALT-DEL and CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE
Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Many thanks to those who responded regarding my two questions. > > With regards to the CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE sequence and its ability > (or lack thereof) to cause an immediate shutdown of the X server... > well... I _did_ go and read the Handbook section that Manolis Kiagias > kindly posted a link to, and I have now tried _both_ of the two > ways described there to re-enable CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE functionality > for the X server, and sadly I must report that for me, at least > _neither_ of those methods worked. I did everything exactly and > precisely as described. I even cut and pasted the code in the Handbook > that was suggested for the /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-input.fdi > file, and still, CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE is producing no effect whatsoever > for me. This is on 7.2-RELEASE/amd64. > > What now? send-pr? > > Keep the x11-input.fdi section from the Handbook, and also add the following line to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, at the end of the "ServerLayout" section: Option "DontZap" "false" Restart your system, it should work now. (Just tried it on mine. It won't work without both of these changes). Please report back if it works for you! By the way Xorg configuration becomes more and more elusive. Initially, DontZap was enough. Then it had no effect at all and the fdi file was needed. Now seems both are needed. What's next? I'll test this in a few other systems and update the Handbook section if it seems to be the latest norm. Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 284, Issue 11
James Phillips wrote: >> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:29:59 -0600 >> From: CyberLeo Kitsana >> Subject: [FreeBSD Questions] Filesystem image as root >> >> The single IDE connector is accessible via the legacy ISA >> ports, and is >> thus limited to PIO modes (about 1.6MB/sec max, even with >> an actual hard >> drive instead of a CF card). > > You are off by an order of magnitude (base 2 or 10): > Pio mode 0 is ~3.3 MB/s > Pio mode 4 is ~16.7 MB/s > > http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/modesPIO-c.html > > You can probably set PIO mode 4 for with: > # atacontrol mode ad0 PIO4 If only that were true in this case. (85eef1f3)[r...@ss4200 ~]# atacontrol mode ad0 PIO4 current mode = PIO2 (85eef1f3)[r...@ss4200 ~]# atacontrol mode ad0 PIO4 current mode = PIO2 (85eef1f3)[r...@ss4200 ~]# dd if=/dev/ad0 of=/dev/null bs=4096 count=4096 4096+0 records in 4096+0 records out 16777216 bytes transferred in 10.111748 secs (1659181 bytes/sec) Nothing I've tried seems to boost the throughput, hence the desire to use a compressed cached filesystem image. Thanks for the suggestions, though! -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net Furry Peace! - http://.fur.com/peace/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Trivial questions about CNTL-ALT-DEL and CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE
Many thanks to those who responded regarding my two questions. With regards to the CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE sequence and its ability (or lack thereof) to cause an immediate shutdown of the X server... well... I _did_ go and read the Handbook section that Manolis Kiagias kindly posted a link to, and I have now tried _both_ of the two ways described there to re-enable CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE functionality for the X server, and sadly I must report that for me, at least _neither_ of those methods worked. I did everything exactly and precisely as described. I even cut and pasted the code in the Handbook that was suggested for the /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-input.fdi file, and still, CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE is producing no effect whatsoever for me. This is on 7.2-RELEASE/amd64. What now? send-pr? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 284, Issue 11
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:29:59 -0600 > From: CyberLeo Kitsana > Subject: [FreeBSD Questions] Filesystem image as root > To: FreeBSD Questions > Cc: CyberLeo > Message-ID: <4aff67a7.6040...@cyberleo.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have been thinking and experimenting for weeks, but I > cannot figure > this out. > > I have an Intel SS4200 NAS that I wish to use as a ZFS NAS > with FreeBSD 8.0. > > The device has 4 SATA bays, and I don't want to use one for > a UFS root disk. > > I don't want to use up hundreds of megabytes of RAM > preloading an > mfsroot that can never shrink. > > The single IDE connector is accessible via the legacy ISA > ports, and is > thus limited to PIO modes (about 1.6MB/sec max, even with > an actual hard > drive instead of a CF card). You are off by an order of magnitude (base 2 or 10): Pio mode 0 is ~3.3 MB/s Pio mode 4 is ~16.7 MB/s http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/modesPIO-c.html You can probably set PIO mode 4 for with: # atacontrol mode ad0 PIO4 I am currently using ~ 159MB on my root partition, At 16.7MB/s that is a 10 second load time; and as you said, frequently used files will be cached. (I have a CF card that has 15MB/s symmetric read/write. Don't know how special it is.) With a CF card there should be no seek delay of ~ 10 ms (for reads anyway, deleting blocks probably takes 10ms). Regards, James Phillips My summary: maybe you are trying too hard :) __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
[FreeBSD Questions] Filesystem image as root
I have been thinking and experimenting for weeks, but I cannot figure this out. I have an Intel SS4200 NAS that I wish to use as a ZFS NAS with FreeBSD 8.0. The device has 4 SATA bays, and I don't want to use one for a UFS root disk. I don't want to use up hundreds of megabytes of RAM preloading an mfsroot that can never shrink. The single IDE connector is accessible via the legacy ISA ports, and is thus limited to PIO modes (about 1.6MB/sec max, even with an actual hard drive instead of a CF card). Performance is acceptable when using a geom_uzip image from a CF card on the IDE connector, as a lot of it ends up cached in RAM (and is evictable in case of memory pressure, unlike an mfsroot). Try as I might, I am unable to figure out how to use a uzip imagefile on UFS as a root filesystem, without dedicating a slice/partition to it. There seems to be nothing approximating GNU/Linux's pivot_root, and using a stub init (which cannot be a shellscript...?) to mdconfig and mount the image, then chroot to that to exec /sbin/init appears to lead to instant deadlock. I don't really like the idea of mounting the image somewhere below root, and using symlink spaghetti to get everything proper; especially since I wish to place such essentials as /sbin and /etc thereupon, which leads to a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem with setting up and mounting an image that contains its mdconfig and mount... Am I missing something obvious here, or am I truly treading unexplored territory? -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net Furry Peace! - http://.fur.com/peace/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: ZFS disk replacement questions
-Original Message- From: krad [mailto:kra...@googlemail.com] Sent: 04 November 2009 09:19 To: Steve Polyack Cc: Derrick Ryalls; FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: ZFS disk replacement questions 2009/11/3 Steve Polyack > Derrick Ryalls wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Steve Polyack >> wrote: >> >> >>> Derrick Ryalls wrote: >>> >>> >>>> 1) In the event of a disk failure, how do I trace back the name such >>>> as adX to a physical drive in the enclosure? Is there a way to take >>>> the drive offline then use atacontrol to spin it down or something so >>>> it is easy to identify? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> In my opinion you are best off using glabel(8) to give names to the >>> disks. >>> This way you can name them in a way that makes sense to you. >>> Additionally, >>> when you create the ZFS pool you will use the glabel'd names. This means >>> that the pool will still come up properly if something causes your >>> devices >>> to be numbered differently (i.e. a drive dies and you happen to reboot >>> the >>> system). >>> >>> >> >> I believe ZFS does this automatically. Supposedly, if you take a >> working set of RAIDZ drives from one machine and put it in another, >> ZFS will figure out the drives since they get labelled by ZFS >> internally. My question concerns how to identify the physical disk in >> question based on the adX or glabel name? Different name in software >> is fine, but if the drive fails I want to make sure I pull the correct >> drive. >> >> >> > This is possible, but I don't remember reading that ZFS handles this > anywhere, and I've seen glabel(8) recommended elsewhere for the same reason. > > Either way, you can add your drives one-by-one and label them on the > enclosure "arraydrive00" and then glabel the individual disks with the same > name. This way when ZFS tells you "arraydrive03" is dead/offline, you can > look at your enclosure and pull the drive with the arraydrive03 label. > > Depending on your controller it is also probably worth it to use one of >>> the >>> SATA-specific drivers in FreeBSD 8 - these are ones like ahci(4) and >>> siis(4). While the generic ata(4) driver will work for pretty much >>> everything, the updated AHCI drivers can take advantage of some more >>> features. Enable the modules at boot to use them. >>> >>> >> >> I will look into it, thanks. The machine in question is 2 year old >> hardware currently with a 3ware raid card. I will be going software >> raid only, but FreeBSD already recognizes the eSATA drive I have >> attached as a backup device so I know the O/S can at least talk to >> sata drives attached to the mobo. >> >> >> > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > One thing to note about resilvering; unlike most raid systems zfs knows what is going on at the filesystem level as well as block level. Therefore when a drive has to be resilvered, only the data on the drive is rebuilt rather than every block as with most other raid subsystems. eg if you have a 1TB hd but only have 20 Gig of data, only 20 gig is copied/rebuilt rather than 1 TB of data if you were using gvinum/gmirror. This massively speeds up rebuild times and stress on the other drives. However the fuller the drive the less the benefits ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" Hi All Sorry to jump in on someone else's question / answer but I have a related query. I notice the previous answer mentioned specific achi(4) driver and Freebsd 8.0 are these available in 7.2 ? Will the achi(4) driver work happily along side the ata driver. I just replaced every drive in my raidz array the dirty way as I could not see away to make the replacement drive show up without doing a reboot, would the achi(4) driver allow me to hot swap the disks in the future ? Regards Graeme ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Trivial questions about CNTL-ALT-DEL and CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE
Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > I've just been installing 7.2-RELEASE/amd64 on a fresh/wiped system > that I plan to use as my future "main" workstation. > > Anyway, I've already noticed a couple of things that seem to be different > from prior release that I need to ask about, i.e.: > > 1) It appears that CNTL-ALT-DEL now causes a shutdown/reboot. (I don't > know what release this new feature started in... I only just noticed it > now.) Anyway, I'd like to know how I can disable this particular bit of > functionality. How do I do that? > Add: hw.syscons.kbd_reboot=0 to /etc/sysctl.conf. Activate immediately by executing sysctl hw.syscons.kbd_reboot=0 > 2) Prior versions of X (Xorg?) allowed CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE to cause an > immediate shutdown of the X server, but now, that doesn't see to work > anymore. How can I (re-)enable this functionality? > > Welcome to the new Xorg and HAL... Please read this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html There is a note that describes how to re-enable CTRL+ALT+BKSP functionality. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Trivial questions about CNTL-ALT-DEL and CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE
On 11/9/09, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > I've just been installing 7.2-RELEASE/amd64 on a fresh/wiped system > that I plan to use as my future "main" workstation. > > Anyway, I've already noticed a couple of things that seem to be different > from prior release that I need to ask about, i.e.: > > 1) It appears that CNTL-ALT-DEL now causes a shutdown/reboot. (I don't > know what release this new feature started in... I only just noticed it > now.) Anyway, I'd like to know how I can disable this particular bit of > functionality. How do I do that? # sysctl -d hw.syscons.kbd_reboot hw.syscons.kbd_reboot: enable keyboard reboot > > 2) Prior versions of X (Xorg?) allowed CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE to cause an > immediate shutdown of the X server, but now, that doesn't see to work > anymore. How can I (re-)enable this functionality? Thanks to the new versions of xorg, they removed that functionality. A config file with "DontZap" equal to "off" re-enables it. Google for DontZap to find where to put it in the config. > > Thanks in advance for any answers. _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Trivial questions about CNTL-ALT-DEL and CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE
I've just been installing 7.2-RELEASE/amd64 on a fresh/wiped system that I plan to use as my future "main" workstation. Anyway, I've already noticed a couple of things that seem to be different from prior release that I need to ask about, i.e.: 1) It appears that CNTL-ALT-DEL now causes a shutdown/reboot. (I don't know what release this new feature started in... I only just noticed it now.) Anyway, I'd like to know how I can disable this particular bit of functionality. How do I do that? 2) Prior versions of X (Xorg?) allowed CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE to cause an immediate shutdown of the X server, but now, that doesn't see to work anymore. How can I (re-)enable this functionality? Thanks in advance for any answers. Regards, rfg P.S. Please send replies to the list. Otherwise, I may never see them due to my draconian and haphazard local spam filtering. Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ZFS disk replacement questions
2009/11/3 Steve Polyack > Derrick Ryalls wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Steve Polyack >> wrote: >> >> >>> Derrick Ryalls wrote: >>> >>> >>>> 1) In the event of a disk failure, how do I trace back the name such >>>> as adX to a physical drive in the enclosure? Is there a way to take >>>> the drive offline then use atacontrol to spin it down or something so >>>> it is easy to identify? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> In my opinion you are best off using glabel(8) to give names to the >>> disks. >>> This way you can name them in a way that makes sense to you. >>> Additionally, >>> when you create the ZFS pool you will use the glabel'd names. This means >>> that the pool will still come up properly if something causes your >>> devices >>> to be numbered differently (i.e. a drive dies and you happen to reboot >>> the >>> system). >>> >>> >> >> I believe ZFS does this automatically. Supposedly, if you take a >> working set of RAIDZ drives from one machine and put it in another, >> ZFS will figure out the drives since they get labelled by ZFS >> internally. My question concerns how to identify the physical disk in >> question based on the adX or glabel name? Different name in software >> is fine, but if the drive fails I want to make sure I pull the correct >> drive. >> >> >> > This is possible, but I don't remember reading that ZFS handles this > anywhere, and I've seen glabel(8) recommended elsewhere for the same reason. > > Either way, you can add your drives one-by-one and label them on the > enclosure "arraydrive00" and then glabel the individual disks with the same > name. This way when ZFS tells you "arraydrive03" is dead/offline, you can > look at your enclosure and pull the drive with the arraydrive03 label. > > Depending on your controller it is also probably worth it to use one of >>> the >>> SATA-specific drivers in FreeBSD 8 - these are ones like ahci(4) and >>> siis(4). While the generic ata(4) driver will work for pretty much >>> everything, the updated AHCI drivers can take advantage of some more >>> features. Enable the modules at boot to use them. >>> >>> >> >> I will look into it, thanks. The machine in question is 2 year old >> hardware currently with a 3ware raid card. I will be going software >> raid only, but FreeBSD already recognizes the eSATA drive I have >> attached as a backup device so I know the O/S can at least talk to >> sata drives attached to the mobo. >> >> >> > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > One thing to note about resilvering; unlike most raid systems zfs knows what is going on at the filesystem level as well as block level. Therefore when a drive has to be resilvered, only the data on the drive is rebuilt rather than every block as with most other raid subsystems. eg if you have a 1TB hd but only have 20 Gig of data, only 20 gig is copied/rebuilt rather than 1 TB of data if you were using gvinum/gmirror. This massively speeds up rebuild times and stress on the other drives. However the fuller the drive the less the benefits ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ZFS disk replacement questions
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Steve Polyack wrote: > Derrick Ryalls wrote: >> >> 1) In the event of a disk failure, how do I trace back the name such >> as adX to a physical drive in the enclosure? Is there a way to take >> the drive offline then use atacontrol to spin it down or something so >> it is easy to identify? >> > > In my opinion you are best off using glabel(8) to give names to the disks. > This way you can name them in a way that makes sense to you. Additionally, > when you create the ZFS pool you will use the glabel'd names. This means > that the pool will still come up properly if something causes your devices > to be numbered differently (i.e. a drive dies and you happen to reboot the > system). I believe ZFS does this automatically. Supposedly, if you take a working set of RAIDZ drives from one machine and put it in another, ZFS will figure out the drives since they get labelled by ZFS internally. My question concerns how to identify the physical disk in question based on the adX or glabel name? Different name in software is fine, but if the drive fails I want to make sure I pull the correct drive. > > Depending on your controller it is also probably worth it to use one of the > SATA-specific drivers in FreeBSD 8 - these are ones like ahci(4) and > siis(4). While the generic ata(4) driver will work for pretty much > everything, the updated AHCI drivers can take advantage of some more > features. Enable the modules at boot to use them. I will look into it, thanks. The machine in question is 2 year old hardware currently with a 3ware raid card. I will be going software raid only, but FreeBSD already recognizes the eSATA drive I have attached as a backup device so I know the O/S can at least talk to sata drives attached to the mobo. >> >> Any tips would be greatly appreciated. >> >> > > > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ZFS disk replacement questions
Derrick Ryalls wrote: 1) In the event of a disk failure, how do I trace back the name such as adX to a physical drive in the enclosure? Is there a way to take the drive offline then use atacontrol to spin it down or something so it is easy to identify? In my opinion you are best off using glabel(8) to give names to the disks. This way you can name them in a way that makes sense to you. Additionally, when you create the ZFS pool you will use the glabel'd names. This means that the pool will still come up properly if something causes your devices to be numbered differently (i.e. a drive dies and you happen to reboot the system). Depending on your controller it is also probably worth it to use one of the SATA-specific drivers in FreeBSD 8 - these are ones like ahci(4) and siis(4). While the generic ata(4) driver will work for pretty much everything, the updated AHCI drivers can take advantage of some more features. Enable the modules at boot to use them. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ZFS disk replacement questions
Derrick Ryalls wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Steve Polyack wrote: Derrick Ryalls wrote: 1) In the event of a disk failure, how do I trace back the name such as adX to a physical drive in the enclosure? Is there a way to take the drive offline then use atacontrol to spin it down or something so it is easy to identify? In my opinion you are best off using glabel(8) to give names to the disks. This way you can name them in a way that makes sense to you. Additionally, when you create the ZFS pool you will use the glabel'd names. This means that the pool will still come up properly if something causes your devices to be numbered differently (i.e. a drive dies and you happen to reboot the system). I believe ZFS does this automatically. Supposedly, if you take a working set of RAIDZ drives from one machine and put it in another, ZFS will figure out the drives since they get labelled by ZFS internally. My question concerns how to identify the physical disk in question based on the adX or glabel name? Different name in software is fine, but if the drive fails I want to make sure I pull the correct drive. This is possible, but I don't remember reading that ZFS handles this anywhere, and I've seen glabel(8) recommended elsewhere for the same reason. Either way, you can add your drives one-by-one and label them on the enclosure "arraydrive00" and then glabel the individual disks with the same name. This way when ZFS tells you "arraydrive03" is dead/offline, you can look at your enclosure and pull the drive with the arraydrive03 label. Depending on your controller it is also probably worth it to use one of the SATA-specific drivers in FreeBSD 8 - these are ones like ahci(4) and siis(4). While the generic ata(4) driver will work for pretty much everything, the updated AHCI drivers can take advantage of some more features. Enable the modules at boot to use them. I will look into it, thanks. The machine in question is 2 year old hardware currently with a 3ware raid card. I will be going software raid only, but FreeBSD already recognizes the eSATA drive I have attached as a backup device so I know the O/S can at least talk to sata drives attached to the mobo. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
ZFS disk replacement questions
Hello list, I plan on rebuilding my home fileserver next month with FreeBSD 8.0 x64 and will be using 4x 2TB drives in an external eSATA hotswap enclosure using RAIDZ. I have played around with FreeBSD in VirtualBox just to see how easy it is to deal with ZFS, but a few questions have come up for this configuration. 1) In the event of a disk failure, how do I trace back the name such as adX to a physical drive in the enclosure? Is there a way to take the drive offline then use atacontrol to spin it down or something so it is easy to identify? 2) In the event that I do experience a failure and manage to replace a working disk instead of the failed disk, am I now completely hosed or can I put the working disk back in and try pulling another drive which is hopefully the bad drive? 3) Finally, does the extra load of resilvering the replaced drive 'age' the good drives causing them to fail quicker? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: [freebsd-questions] in subject line
Chuck Swiger wrote: Hi, Chris-- On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Some mailing lists I am on automatically insert the mailing list name in square brackets into the subject line. I find this quite useful for setting up filters in thunderbird to drop different lists into different 'folders' I couldn't see anything in my freebsd questions list account settings to add that behaviour. Is it possible somehow? Or is it seen as undesirable? It's a per-list option in Mailman, not a per-user option. In order to filter list mail, you can key off of the List-Id: header instead Regards, Thanks, List-Id sounds good. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: [freebsd-questions] in subject line
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:43:17 + Chris Whitehouse wrote: > Hi > > Some mailing lists I am on automatically insert the mailing list name in > square brackets into the subject line. I find this quite useful for > setting up filters in thunderbird to drop different lists into different > 'folders' > > I couldn't see anything in my freebsd questions list account settings to > add that behaviour. Is it possible somehow? Or is it seen as undesirable? > > Thanks > > Chris > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" I filter my incoming msgs by the field. So no need for [ ] if you filter by or or or all together. I`m using Sylpheed cheers Daniel -- [ The only reality is virtual ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: [freebsd-questions] in subject line
Hi, Chris-- On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Some mailing lists I am on automatically insert the mailing list name in square brackets into the subject line. I find this quite useful for setting up filters in thunderbird to drop different lists into different 'folders' I couldn't see anything in my freebsd questions list account settings to add that behaviour. Is it possible somehow? Or is it seen as undesirable? It's a per-list option in Mailman, not a per-user option. In order to filter list mail, you can key off of the List-Id: header instead Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
[freebsd-questions] in subject line
Hi Some mailing lists I am on automatically insert the mailing list name in square brackets into the subject line. I find this quite useful for setting up filters in thunderbird to drop different lists into different 'folders' I couldn't see anything in my freebsd questions list account settings to add that behaviour. Is it possible somehow? Or is it seen as undesirable? Thanks Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: freebsd jail: web and database server config questions
I'm no expert but i'll give this a go. Is it advisable/wise/okay/clever to run a webserver on my host system and a database server on my jailed system? The webserver will need to connect to the database system on startup and update the database based on client access. A key concept in securing a system is defence in depth. Personally, I would setup two jails on the system and run the database in one jail and the webserver in the other. That way, if one of the two became compromised, the intruder would still have to do some work to get system root access. However, if a machine gets compromised, it would rather be the webserver, therefore running the webserver in the jailed environment seems better to me. But how could that be done, if the webserver requires to connect through tcp/ip to the database server running on the host system? I thought that a key-feature of a jailed system is that it can't access resources outside the jail. Your correct that a jail is almost entirely self-contained, but no more so than a standalone system - and a standalone system can still communicate with other systems using network communications. In (exactly) the same way, a process in one jail can still communicate with a process in another jail. For example, say you were using MySQL and Apache Webserver. If the two processes were running on two different systems, they can communicate with each other via a network connection on port 3306. As a jailed system is a virtual-standalone system, each of them would have a virtual-network card, and so two seperate IP addresses. Thus, the two processes could communicate with each other in exactly the same way as the two actually-standalone systems. And how do I go around when I need to update my host system due to a security advisory. I heard the jailed environment will not be affected? So basically that means I would need to create a new jail everytime I recompile (as that's the way I'm using to stay current) Your correct, recompiling the host system does not affect the jailed systems. However there are ways around that. I use a tool called ezjail. It allows you to update a jail with a single command. See http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/ezjail/ and the handbook for more details. Jazz _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
[OT] Service that provides security questions
I know that various companies use a pretty crazy security question system if your forget your account password and you can't use email to reset it. It seems to be the same system used by the credit agencies when you ask for a credit report the first time. It's the system where they ask you 6 or 7 questions and you have to get most of them right. You know, when some of the questions have no answer, like "What year did you live at 123 Baker St" when you've never lived there, so you have to select "no matching answer". Those who have dealt with one of these systems know what I'm talking about. I have a hard time believing each of these companies sets up such a system on their own, and I have a feeling that there's a 3rd party that compiles the data for them. Can anyone refer me to such a company? -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: freebsd jail: web and database server config questions
2009/10/13 APseudoUtopia > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Dino Vliet wrote: > > > > Dear Freebsd people, > > > > To consolditae on resources I have configured a machine to run both a web > and database server (powering my database driven website). > > > > Due to security concerns I'm contemplating on introducing a jailed > environment on this machine and want to know if this would be feasible. I > have a few questions for the freebsd community regarding this approach and > hope someone would give me some advice. > > > > Is it advisable/wise/okay/clever to run a webserver on my host system and > a database server on my jailed system? The webserver will need to connect to > the database system on startup and update the database based on client > access. > > I would recommend either doing it the other way around (webserver > inside the jail) or have both web and db inside separate jails. > > > > > However, if a machine gets compromised, it would rather be the webserver, > therefore running the webserver in the jailed environment seems better to > me. But how could that be done, if the webserver requires to connect through > tcp/ip to the database server running on the host system? I thought that a > key-feature of a jailed system is that it can't access resources outside the > jail. > > > > It *may* be possible to set your database software to listen on a unix > socket inside the jail dir on the host. For example, if your webserver > jail is in /usr/jails/httpd/ on the host, you may be able to have your > database listen on a unix socket in, say, /usr/jails/httpd/tmp/. > Inside the jail, you can point your web app to use the socket inside > /tmp/. I'm not sure if this is possible as I never actually > implemented it with my setup, but you can try. > you can do this but only if the the db is running on the host system. What you are doing then is open a big whole in the security of the system that will potentially let someone attack the host os via apache->mysql. What i have done on some systems is jail the db and apache in separate jails. and have a shared nullfs writable fs between them. Generally I found it better to make the connection go over ip and heavily wrap it. The added advantage of doing it over ip is that it keeps things separate, and it is far easier to migrate one of the jails onto another box in the future if you start running into capacity issues. > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: freebsd jail: web and database server config questions
2009/10/13 Dino Vliet > > Dear Freebsd people, > > To consolditae on resources I have configured a machine to run both a web > and database server (powering my database driven website). > > Due to security concerns I'm contemplating on introducing a jailed > environment on this machine and want to know if this would be feasible. I > have a few questions for the freebsd community regarding this approach and > hope someone would give me some advice. > > Is it advisable/wise/okay/clever to run a webserver on my host system and a > database server on my jailed system? The webserver will need to connect to > the database system on startup and update the database based on client > access. > > However, if a machine gets compromised, it would rather be the webserver, > therefore running the webserver in the jailed environment seems better to > me. But how could that be done, if the webserver requires to connect through > tcp/ip to the database server running on the host system? I thought that a > key-feature of a jailed system is that it can't access resources outside the > jail. > > And how do I go around when I need to update my host system due to a > security advisory. I heard the jailed environment will not be affected? So > basically that means I would need to create a new jail everytime I recompile > (as that's the way I'm using to stay current) > > Hope to hear from you, > Brgds > Dino > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ok jail updates are fairly easy to get around. The way I have dont it for years is to nullfs the host systems /usr into the jail(s) as ro. I also had a copy of /lib /bin /libexec and /sbin under /usr/jailbins. The said dirs in the jails were then sym links to the relevent dir in jailbins eg $ ls -ltr ; pwd drwxr-xr-x 20 root wheel 107 Jun 25 2008 etc drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 46 Sep 23 10:21 bin drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 106 Sep 23 10:21 lib drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 139 Sep 23 10:22 sbin drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel6 Sep 23 10:23 libexec /usr/jailbins $ ls -ltr /jails/clamav/root/ | grep "\->" lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel11 Apr 1 2006 sys -> usr/src/sys lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel18 Apr 1 2006 sbin -> /usr/jailbins/sbin lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel21 Apr 1 2006 libexec -> /usr/jailbins/libexec lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel17 Apr 1 2006 lib -> /usr/jailbins/lib lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel17 Apr 1 2006 bin -> /usr/jailbins/bin from fstab /usr/jails/clamav/root/usr nullfs ro 2 0 /jails/clamav/usr.etc /jails/clamav/root/usr/local/etc nullfs ro 2 0 the 2nd line means each jail can have its own dedicated local rc, but it cant be modified from within the jail I then stuck these lines in rc.local on the host system to keep the jailbins update /usr/local/bin/rsync -aH /bin/ /usr/jailbins/bin/ /usr/local/bin/rsync -aH /sbin/ /usr/jailbins/sbin/ /usr/local/bin/rsync -aH /lib/ /usr/jailbins/lib/ /usr/local/bin/rsync -aH /libexec/ /usr/jailbins/libexec/ now when i do a makeworld on the host system the jails inherit everything. You might not always want to do this, but i never had any serious issues. Sticking mysql and apache in jails is fairly straight forward after that, just get them to communicate over ip and make sure you wrap the db internally, and with tcpwrappers and pf/ipf/ipfw You could also look at mod_jail for apache. It looks like it lets you run apache whithout the hassle of setting up a full jailed environment. I havent used it myself though but would be interested to see how others have faired with it. There are also good tools like ezjail with will automate a lot of the jail process for you. _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: freebsd jail: web and database server config questions
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Dino Vliet wrote: > > Dear Freebsd people, > > To consolditae on resources I have configured a machine to run both a web and > database server (powering my database driven website). > > Due to security concerns I'm contemplating on introducing a jailed > environment on this machine and want to know if this would be feasible. I > have a few questions for the freebsd community regarding this approach and > hope someone would give me some advice. > > Is it advisable/wise/okay/clever to run a webserver on my host system and a > database server on my jailed system? The webserver will need to connect to > the database system on startup and update the database based on client access. I would recommend either doing it the other way around (webserver inside the jail) or have both web and db inside separate jails. > > However, if a machine gets compromised, it would rather be the webserver, > therefore running the webserver in the jailed environment seems better to me. > But how could that be done, if the webserver requires to connect through > tcp/ip to the database server running on the host system? I thought that a > key-feature of a jailed system is that it can't access resources outside the > jail. > It *may* be possible to set your database software to listen on a unix socket inside the jail dir on the host. For example, if your webserver jail is in /usr/jails/httpd/ on the host, you may be able to have your database listen on a unix socket in, say, /usr/jails/httpd/tmp/. Inside the jail, you can point your web app to use the socket inside /tmp/. I'm not sure if this is possible as I never actually implemented it with my setup, but you can try. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
freebsd jail: web and database server config questions
Dear Freebsd people, To consolditae on resources I have configured a machine to run both a web and database server (powering my database driven website). Due to security concerns I'm contemplating on introducing a jailed environment on this machine and want to know if this would be feasible. I have a few questions for the freebsd community regarding this approach and hope someone would give me some advice. Is it advisable/wise/okay/clever to run a webserver on my host system and a database server on my jailed system? The webserver will need to connect to the database system on startup and update the database based on client access. However, if a machine gets compromised, it would rather be the webserver, therefore running the webserver in the jailed environment seems better to me. But how could that be done, if the webserver requires to connect through tcp/ip to the database server running on the host system? I thought that a key-feature of a jailed system is that it can't access resources outside the jail. And how do I go around when I need to update my host system due to a security advisory. I heard the jailed environment will not be affected? So basically that means I would need to create a new jail everytime I recompile (as that's the way I'm using to stay current) Hope to hear from you, Brgds Dino ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Questions regarding portmaster's man page
Christer Solskogen wrote: > Hi! > > The man page for portmaster say this: > Alternatively you could use portmaster -a -f -D to do an ``in place'' > update of your ports. If that process is interrupted for any reason you > can use portmaster -a -f -D -R to avoid rebuilding ports already rebuilt > on previous runs. However the first method (delete everything and rein- > stall) is preferred. > > I'm wondering why the first method is preferred. First before I forget, in general it's always a good idea to send a message to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org first if you're not sure what list to send it to, so you didn't do anything wrong here. On the other hand, if you have a question about a ports-related issue you should probably send it to freebsd-po...@freebsd.org where you are more likely to get a focused response. That said, there are a couple of answers to your question. Even though we try to be thorough with the ports system removing files after a port is deinstalled there are occasionally problems so if you've had a /usr/local populated with ports for a few years there is probably old cruft in there that it would be good to remove. The other answer is that doing an "in place" upgrade will inevitably end up with some ports compiled against old libs, which is not a good thing. Not to mention that there will likely be some dependencies left over on your system that you don't need. The method described in portmaster's man page encourages you to save a list of the "root" and "leaf" ports you're using. These are the ports that are not depended on by other ports, which generally means that they are the actual applications you're using (like firefox, etc.). By telling portmaster to install only these ports and letting the ports system handle the dependencies for the new conditions you're likely to get a cleaner upgrade. Those are the two main reasons. There are occasionally other reasons, such as the libusb problems with hal that people are experiencing after upgrades to 8.0 that just make "delete and reinstall" the cleaner option and the one that should be recommended most highly. hope this helps, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Some Questions About Freebsd Please Help Me !!
Hi , i want to ask some questions about freebsd , one of my friend have freebsd in his server , he is using it , he have ips issu on his server and he is converting ips in proxies ( Socks 4/5 ) , i want to know how i can do that , how i can set firewall that or what i need to do? , like let me show you what he have did , he have give me SSH access , in that when i go i need to put commands , i will give you some commands , to make ip as proxy i need to give this command in ( Putty ) socks -d -p14344 -i204.18.245.9 -e204.18.245.9 , it will convert ip in proxy , but i dun know how to do that in freebsd , i will show you 1 screenshot as well , here is screenshot ( http://i36.tinypic.com/wuoro6.png ) , you can have a look on that as well , please help me if you can , like this i am going to buy may be 20 freebsd for that , i want to know how can i set all this in that , if you can help me in that , please send me steps how i can make ip in proxy with the help of freebsd. Here is Some More Commands. To Stop Socks Here is Command : killall -9 socks To Start Socks Here is Command : socks -d -p14344 -i204.18.245.9 -e204.18.245.9 Regrads Bravo italy 00393888992300 Alice Messenger ;-) chatti anche con gli amici di Windows Live Messenger e tutti i telefonini TIM! Vai su http://maileservizi.alice.it/alice_messenger/index.html?pmk=footer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Questions regarding portmaster's man page
Hi! The man page for portmaster say this: Alternatively you could use portmaster -a -f -D to do an ``in place'' update of your ports. If that process is interrupted for any reason you can use portmaster -a -f -D -R to avoid rebuilding ports already rebuilt on previous runs. However the first method (delete everything and rein- stall) is preferred. I'm wondering why the first method is preferred. -- chs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: DHCP client questions
Mel Flynn wrote: > On Sunday 20 September 2009 21:19:28 stan wrote: > >> I have several machines (such as a mailserver) which _MUST_ have fixed >> names. I have played around with /etc/dhcllient.conf, but not managed to >> get this working. I can get IP addresses, and various things such as >> default routers, and DNS servers, but I have not managed to get the >> suggested name put in their DNS. > > Ok, I know you're trying to make clear what your problem is, but it's > still not. So, let's try step by step,, using a FreeBSD mailserver as the > example: 1) Does the mailserver have a fixed HOSTNAME or can the HOSTNAME > change if the DHCP server wants it to? > > 2) When you say "but I have not managed to get the suggested name put in > their DNS", does this mean you expect the FreeBSD mailserver to enter > itself into the Microsoft DNS? Or can you not get the FreeBSD mailserver > to name itself according to what the DHCP server tells them to? > Don't seem to have all the details either, but from what little I can piece together is his company being bought by another necessitates the melding of his old systems with the new companies' Windows based environment. This could very well be an incorrect assumption on my part. In a Windows environment when DHCP is used, as it hands out IP addresses it then updates the IP/hostname pair in the DNS server database. This is configured to operate by the admins. Usually there are at least two DHCP scopes minimum for the dynamically assigned IPs, but there can also be configured a scope for static IPs for things such as mail servers. So it is still possible for a mail server to initialize networking via DHCP and be assigned the same statically assigned IP every time. It is the responsibility of the Windows DHCP servers to sync with the DNS server database. If you are not going to have static services such as a mail server initialize via DHCP then a system admin will have to manually enter this information into the DNS server database. Without possessing the administrative authority to do this things will get very frustrating. Bottom line is, if what I think is going on is correct, he can fight this battle in myriad different directions but inevitably all will lead back to the system admins of the purchasing company must get involved in order to properly meld the 2 networks together. All 10,000 different paths which can be pursued will ultimately lead back to this, so they ought to just bite the bullet and get it over with. (If one wants to run his own Unix based DNS servers so as to have this under his/her control set up for file based zone transfer from the Windows DNS servers. The key to making this work is to manually config the zone transfers on the Windows DNS machines to ascii instead of UTF8 or else the Unix box DNS zone files will be endlessly polluted with garbage characters. Of course this all is moot if you are not allowed to be delegated or be authoritative for your little piece of the DNS tree. Here again, this is still going to have to be handled by the purchasing companies' admins as they are the ones in the drivers seat. This type of melding of heterogeneous systems absolutely requires both sides to work together.) -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: DHCP client questions
On Sunday 20 September 2009 21:19:28 stan wrote: > I have several machines (such as a mailserver) which _MUST_ have fixed > names. I have played around with /etc/dhcllient.conf, but not managed to > get this working. I can get IP addresses, and various things such as > default routers, and DNS servers, but I have not managed to get the > suggested name put in their DNS. Ok, I know you're trying to make clear what your problem is, but it's still not. So, let's try step by step,, using a FreeBSD mailserver as the example: 1) Does the mailserver have a fixed HOSTNAME or can the HOSTNAME change if the DHCP server wants it to? 2) When you say "but I have not managed to get the suggested name put in their DNS", does this mean you expect the FreeBSD mailserver to enter itself into the Microsoft DNS? Or can you not get the FreeBSD mailserver to name itself according to what the DHCP server tells them to? -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: DHCP client questions
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:19 PM, stan wrote: > We have been bought out, and the new powers that be, are changing things. > They have decreed that there shall be no static entries in their DNS > servers. They are using $MS DHCP/DNS servers. I have a corporate supported > Win XP laptop, which I can plug in at various places in the network. It > gets different IP addresses, based upon where it physically is, but always > comes up with the same name. The question is whether by the "same name" you are referring to a dns lookup, a wins lookup, or a nbns broadcast query, or all of the above ;) > > I have several machines (such as a mailserver) which _MUST_ have fixed > names. I have played around with /etc/dhcllient.conf, but not managed to > get this working. I can get IP addresses, and various things such as > default routers, and DNS servers, but I have not managed to get the > suggested name put in their DNS. try running: tcpdump -r filename.pcap -vvv port bootpc in order to get a nice decode of your dhcp session. This will contain by the client discover/request/ack, and the server offer packets. > > I have captured packet traces with wireshark from the laptop, and from the > FreebSD client, and I am putting these up at http://beachcave.net/pdumps. > > I would really appreciate it if someone more familiar with DHCP that I > could take a look at theses. Your windows capture clearly shows a dhcp option 12 with the short name, and dhcp option 81 with FQDN Hostname Option 12, length 10: "CHSLSBROWN" FQDN Option 81, length 31: "CHSLSBROWN.kapstonepaper.com" Vendor-Class Option 60, length 8: "MSFT 5.0" Parameter-Request Option 55, length 11: Subnet-Mask, Domain-Name, Default-Gateway, Domain-Name-Server Netbios-Name-Server, Netbios-Node, Netbios-Scope, Router-Discovery Static-Route, Classless-Static-Route-Microsoft, Vendor-Option END Option 255, length 0 Your freebsd captures show dhcp option 12 with the FQDN. You need to try using option 12 and option 81 just like in windows land. You may even need to put in the Vendor-Class and/or others to duplicate the windows request, but try one item at a time. Try adding these to your dhclient.conf as needed. Take the time to look at the man page for dhclient.conf, and dhcp-options, and also take a look at the full defined option numbers here: http://www.iana.org/assignments/bootp-dhcp-parameters/ Good Luck. --Dave H ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
DHCP client questions
We have been bought out, and the new powers that be, are changing things. They have decreed that there shall be no static entries in their DNS servers. They are using $MS DHCP/DNS servers. I have a corporate supported Win XP laptop, which I can plug in at various places in the network. It gets different IP addresses, based upon where it physically is, but always comes up with the same name. I have several machines (such as a mailserver) which _MUST_ have fixed names. I have played around with /etc/dhcllient.conf, but not managed to get this working. I can get IP addresses, and various things such as default routers, and DNS servers, but I have not managed to get the suggested name put in their DNS. I have captured packet traces with wireshark from the laptop, and from the FreebSD client, and I am putting these up at http://beachcave.net/pdumps. I would really appreciate it if someone more familiar with DHCP that I could take a look at theses. Thanks. -- One of the main causes of the fall of the roman empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 276, Issue 5
> > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:13:17 -0400 > From: Jerry > Subject: Re: reporter on deadline seeks comment about > reported > security bug in FreeBSD > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20090915141317.7a41b...@scorpio.seibercom.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:18:29 -0400 > Bill Moran > wrote: > > > The fact is, that you do in fact notify me. Keeping > important security > information secret benefits no one, except for possibly > those > responsible for the problem to begin with who do not want > the > knowledge of the problem to become public. A multitude of > software, > such as Mozilla, publish known security holes in their > software. > The ramifications of allowing a user to actively use a > piece of > software when a known bug/exploit/etc. exists within it is > grossly > negligent. > The important question is: known by whom? Every reviewer brings their own bias and experience. The code has not been "proven correct," so there is not reason to assume that a Black-hat will find the same bug/exploit. If there are more than about 3 unknown exploits, they are more likely to find a different one. IMO, Mozilla is a bad example. I've been bitten by (non-security) bugs going back to 1.5 or earlier. Disclosure: I still prefer Lynx. > __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: cc -march questions
Scott Bennett wrote: > On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:28:09 -0400 Daniel Molina Wegener > > wrote: >>2009/9/3 Scott Bennett >> >>> What exactly does "cc -march=prescott" enable cc to do? Does it >>> include >>> instruction scheduling for the pipeline structure of the Prescott CPUs? >>> Does >>> it include other options, e.g., "-mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3"? >>> Thanks in advance for any information on the above! >>> >> >>According to the GCC manual page, it enables MMX, SSE, SSE2 and SSE3 >>instruction set support. >> >>Try: >>$ man 1 gcc >>/prescott >> > Thanks much for your reply. This is very bizarre. I think I've > looked > at that page at least 50 times in the past few years and somehow never saw > those lines. Sigh. :-} > I've had CPUTYPE=prescott in my /etc/make.conf for a long time now, > and I recently installed math/atlas-devel. I wonder if specifying > CPUTYPE=prescott may have caused it to choose the wrong components to > include in the final version of libalapack. If so, then I should rebuild > it without CPUTYPE=prescott. > If you do: dmesg | grep Features you will get a list of what the processor supports. You may then examine the /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk file looking for a match. Yes it is somewhat arcane to read, but it does list all. Notice it refers to CPUTYPE. I usually use a line such as CPUTYPE?= athlon in my make.conf. Been doing it like this for years and never had any problem. And, of course, let's not forget the MAN pages :-) YMMV -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: cc -march questions
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:28:09 -0400 Daniel Molina Wegener wrote: >2009/9/3 Scott Bennett > >> What exactly does "cc -march=prescott" enable cc to do? Does it >> include >> instruction scheduling for the pipeline structure of the Prescott CPUs? >> Does >> it include other options, e.g., "-mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3"? >> Thanks in advance for any information on the above! >> > >According to the GCC manual page, it enables MMX, SSE, SSE2 and SSE3 >instruction set support. > >Try: >$ man 1 gcc >/prescott > Thanks much for your reply. This is very bizarre. I think I've looked at that page at least 50 times in the past few years and somehow never saw those lines. Sigh. :-} I've had CPUTYPE=prescott in my /etc/make.conf for a long time now, and I recently installed math/atlas-devel. I wonder if specifying CPUTYPE=prescott may have caused it to choose the wrong components to include in the final version of libalapack. If so, then I should rebuild it without CPUTYPE=prescott. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ****** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: cc -march questions
2009/9/3 Scott Bennett > What exactly does "cc -march=prescott" enable cc to do? Does it > include > instruction scheduling for the pipeline structure of the Prescott CPUs? > Does > it include other options, e.g., "-mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3"? > Thanks in advance for any information on the above! > According to the GCC manual page, it enables MMX, SSE, SSE2 and SSE3 instruction set support. Try: $ man 1 gcc /prescott Best Regards, DMW > > > Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG > ** > * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * > ** > * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * > * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * > * -- a standing army." * > *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * > ****** > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
cc -march questions
What exactly does "cc -march=prescott" enable cc to do? Does it include instruction scheduling for the pipeline structure of the Prescott CPUs? Does it include other options, e.g., "-mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3"? Thanks in advance for any information on the above! Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: questions about FreeBSD
2009/8/31 James Phillips : ... >> I have some questions about FreeBSD. The questions I had in >> mind are: > > Such general questions imply "homework assignment." Indeed, I found "General features (at least three)? Firewall, GUI, Networking and so on." quite amusing. I am surprised he didn't include the marking scheme for us and his teacher's email address so that we could save him the bother of handing it in. > Somebody already replied with a link to the Handbook: It mainly covers > installing and configuring FreeBSD. If that were the only response, he probably would have just printed the handbook out and handed it in - given the amount of effort he took to hide the fact that it was a home work question. That said, he *might* actually learn something about FreeBSD, which is probably more than can be said for the rest of his class. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: questions about FreeBSD
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 08:41:00AM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Monday 31 August 2009 17:00:07 Jerry McAllister wrote: > > Same response. Do your homework. > > The nature of the OP's questions strongly suggested that we are doing his > homework. I'm surprised so many people spoonfed the answers rather than > pointing to resources like the handbook, as the first responder did. I and several others did both. Since this list is best when it is friendly, it seemed well to add some encouragement in the form of pointers. Good teachers give both clues as well as piont to sources. jerry > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: questions about FreeBSD
On Monday 31 August 2009 17:00:07 Jerry McAllister wrote: > Same response. Do your homework. The nature of the OP's questions strongly suggested that we are doing his homework. I'm surprised so many people spoonfed the answers rather than pointing to resources like the handbook, as the first responder did. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: questions about FreeBSD
At Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:12:39 +1200, Julian R A Manning wrote: > [...] > . General features (at least three)? Firewall, GUI, Networking and > so on. > Hmm.. special is nothing. Personally i do web-browsing with Firefox, and i read/write emails with Emacs, and i do listening to music with beep-media-player. That's all to me. Sincerely, -- Byung-Hee HWANG ∑ WWW: http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: questions about FreeBSD
> > Message: 20 > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:12:39 +1200 > From: "Julian R A Manning" > Subject: questions about FreeBSD > To: > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > > Dear Sir/Madam > > I have some questions about FreeBSD. The questions I had in > mind are: Such general questions imply "homework assignment." Somebody already replied with a link to the Handbook: It mainly covers installing and configuring FreeBSD. > > . What type of OS is > it? Is it single/multi user, multitasking, what > family does it belong to? Yes, it supports all three. Single-user mode is usually reserved for emergency system maintenance. > > . General features > (at least three)? Firewall, GUI, Networking and > so on. Yes, But the GUI is part of the "Ports" collection (X Window system (xorg)) http://www.freebsd.org/features.html > . Minimum Hardware > Requirements? Processors, RAM, Hard drive space, > type of monitors and so on. Almost anything made in the past 10 years will do. > > . File system > supported? > > . Applications (at > least three)? eg. wordprocessing and so on. See the ports collection (Chapter 4 of Handbook). > It would be very helpful if you could just pass on this > email to someone who > has experience with FreeBSD. > > Yours sincerely, Julian Manning > Regards, James Phillips __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: questions about FreeBSD
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:12:39 +1200, "Julian R A Manning"
wrote:
> Dear Sir/Madam
You are talking to a mailing list. "Dear list" would be a good
line to start. :-)
> I have some questions about FreeBSD. The questions I had in mind are:
>
> . What type of OS is it? Is it single/multi user, multitasking, what
> family does it belong to?
It is a free UNIX OS, which is multi-user and multi-tasking capable.
> . General features (at least three)? Firewall, GUI, Networking and
> so on.
Yes, all three are present. You have the choice among many solutions
and not tied to a specific program. Networking is fully functional and
includes IPv6 support for many years now, as well as drivers for many
networking devices.
> . Minimum Hardware Requirements? Processors, RAM, Hard drive space,
> type of monitors and so on.
As far as I remember, for x86 it is 80386 and < 16 MB RAM. Hard
disks with 5 GB can hold a fully-functional system with applications.
The more functionality you need, the more programs you will need,
and hard disk requirements will increase.
> . File system supported?
Natively, UFS (FFS) is used. There are various file systems that
are supported by the OS, such as MS-DOS, NTFS, EXT2 and so on.
NFS is available, as well as SAMBA, furthermore CD (ISO-9660)
and memory file system MFS, and UDF. Additional file system
support can be installed via the "fuse" package.
> . Applications (at least three)? eg. wordprocessing and so on.
There are many thousands of applications availabe natively for
FreeBSD. Common word processors are OpenOffice, AbiWord, and
the typesetting system LaTeX.
FreeBSD offers programs for everything, from diagnostics, servers
for various stuff, multimedia, even games.
> It would be very helpful if you could just pass on this email to someone who
> has experience with FreeBSD.
I think all members of this mailing list have experiences with
FreeBSD, allthough not all of them are FreeBSD developers.
To find out more about FreeBSD, check its excellent web site:
http://www.freebsd.org/
http://www.freebsd.org/about.html
If you have further or specific questions, ask the friendly list.
--
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Re: questions about FreeBSD
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 09:12:39PM +1200, Julian R A Manning wrote: > Dear Sir/Madam > > I have some questions about FreeBSD. The questions I had in mind are: > > . What type of OS is it? Is it single/multi user, multitasking, what > family does it belong to? It is a BSD UNIX operating system, originally based on the original full featured Unix developed at Berkeley and distributed through Berkeley Software Distributions (thus the BSD) of UC Berkeley. That was based on the original Bell Labs (AT&T) UNIX, but due to significant development, improvements and some lawsuits, was rewritten so there was no Bell Labs code left in it. Later AT&S started another UNIX family too called SVR4 (meaning System five Release four) and Linux is somewhat based on that strain of the beast. All UNIXen are naturally multi user, multitasking and nowdays multithreading. > > . General features (at least three)? Firewall, GUI, Networking and > so on. Yup. All completely the latest and greatest. BSD UNIX in general and by nature is quite secure, although in any human created system, mistakes can be discovered. In general, the process of creating and vetting FreeBSD and the other BSDs militates against mistakes and poor code, but it can happen. > > . Minimum Hardware Requirements? Processors, RAM, Hard drive space, > type of monitors and so on. You really need to read up on the FreeBSD web site for this information. It is all there. http://www.freebsd.org/ Each release has a list of what it will support in hardware. Generally, although it began life on the i386 family of processors (which continued through 486, 586, 686, pentium, etc) nowdays it is available for most commodity CPUs such as AMD, Sparc, etc. I have run it on as little as 128MB memory and 4 GB disk, but some have gone lower. The top end will handle most anything that is currently available in the general marketplace. > > . File system supported? Same response. Do your homework. Generally UFS, UFS2, ZFS. Will mount most Microsloth filesystems but those are non-native and have some limitations. > > . Applications (at least three)? eg. wordprocessing and so on. Everything you can imagine. There are thousands of things in the "ports" that you can install. Again, read the documentation to understand what this means. > > It would be very helpful if you could just pass on this email to someone who > has experience with FreeBSD. > > Yours sincerely, Julian Manning Sounds like you are working on a class homework project or were sent to survey things by a non-informed boss. The best thing you can do is get on the FreeBSD web site and start reading - following the many links to the documentation. Some of those links will point you to other sites too, such as Onlamp.com and many other places. Try doing some Google searching for FreeBSD too. Do your homework. Have fun, jerry > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: questions about FreeBSD
2009/8/31 Julian R A Manning > Dear Sir/Madam > > I have some questions about FreeBSD. The questions I had in mind are: > > . What type of OS is it? Is it single/multi user, multitasking, > what > family does it belong to? > > . General features (at least three)? Firewall, GUI, Networking and > so on. > > . Minimum Hardware Requirements? Processors, RAM, Hard drive space, > type of monitors and so on. > > . File system supported? > > . Applications (at least three)? eg. wordprocessing and so on. > > It would be very helpful if you could just pass on this email to someone > who > has experience with FreeBSD. > > Yours sincerely, Julian Manning > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ -- With best regards, Vladislav Prokofyev _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
questions about FreeBSD
Dear Sir/Madam I have some questions about FreeBSD. The questions I had in mind are: . What type of OS is it? Is it single/multi user, multitasking, what family does it belong to? . General features (at least three)? Firewall, GUI, Networking and so on. . Minimum Hardware Requirements? Processors, RAM, Hard drive space, type of monitors and so on. . File system supported? . Applications (at least three)? eg. wordprocessing and so on. It would be very helpful if you could just pass on this email to someone who has experience with FreeBSD. Yours sincerely, Julian Manning ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 270, Issue 19
On Aug 9, 2009, at 7:00 AM, freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org wrote: I had no problems using that command line with GNU tar versions 1.14 and 1.22. I'd grab the source and upgrade if I were you: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/tar/tar-1.22.tar.gz I upgraded and everything is fine now. Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: source code licensing questions
Thank you all for your detailed answers. Indeed, sounds like we will need some lawyer advice... My gut feeling is that we are going with the BSD license with day one. I am relatively new to open source myself (Been developing most of my work on closed source UNIX systems and windows), but I hope to catch up very soon. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk < m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:42 AM, son goku wrote: > >> Thanks guys for the prompt answers!!! >> It seems weird that code that uses dtrace must be opened. I mean every >> serious production level application must have some dtrace-like mechanism >> inside to collect online information when needed. It is a shame that >> because >> of licensing issues, I will have to roll-my-own and re-invent the wheel >> all >> over again, probably with cruder and implementation that is more flawed >> compared to dtrace. >> >> I wonder what all the proprietary modules for Solaris (VxVM jumps to >> mind...) or BSD do? Or there are no such modules anymore... >> >> > > > > http://www.sun.com/cddl/ > > - > http://www.sun.com/cddl/cddl.html > > >- > >*1.3. “Covered Software”* means (a) the Original Software, or (b) >Modifications, or (c) the combination of files containing Original Software >with files containing Modifications, in each case including portions >thereof. > > > >- > >*1.6. “Larger Work”* means a work which combines Covered Software or >portions thereof with code not governed by the terms of this License. >- > > >- > >*3.6. Larger Works.* > >You may create a Larger Work by combining Covered Software with other >code not governed by the terms of this License and distribute the Larger >Work as a single product. In such a case, You must make sure the >requirements of this License are fulfilled for the Covered Software. > > -- > > http://www.opensource.org/licenses/cddl1.php > http://opensolaris.org/os/licensing/cddllicense.txt > http://opensolaris.org/os/licensing/opensolaris_license/ > http://www.opensolaris.com/licensing/opensolaris_license/ > http://www.netbeans.org/cddl.html > http://www.openmediacommons.org/CDDL_License.html > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html > Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL), version > 1.0<http://www.opensolaris.org/os/licensing/cddllicense.txt> > > This is a free software license. It has a copyleft with a scope that's > similar to the one in the Mozilla Public License, which makes it > incompatible with the GNU GPL <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>. This > means a module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the CDDL cannot > legally be linked together. We urge you not to use the CDDL for this reason. > > Also unfortunate in the CDDL is its use of the term “intellectual > property<http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html> > ”. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distribution_License > http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/2005/02/04/#cddl > > > === > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/licensing_faq/ > > *If I use code licensed under the CDDL in my proprietary product, will I > have to share my source code?* > > Yes, for any source files that are licensed under the CDDL and any > modifications you make. However, you don't need to share the source for your > proprietary source files. > === > > http://lwn.net/Articles/114839/ > > > > I am NOT a lawyer , therefore my opinions does NOT have any legal value . > > In short , CDDL does NOT require to disclose your OWN proprietary sources , > BUT ONLY requires to explicitly supply CDDL licensed parts with any changes > applied to them with respect to CDDL license . > > If you are a commercial entity my suggestion would be to seek legal advise > from a lawyer with expertise on software licenses and copyrights . > > > Thank you very much . > > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > > > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: source code licensing questions
On 27 jul 2009, at 14:42, son goku wrote: Thanks guys for the prompt answers!!! It seems weird that code that uses dtrace must be opened. I mean every serious production level application must have some dtrace-like mechanism inside to collect online information when needed. It is a shame that because of licensing issues, I will have to roll-my-own and re-invent the wheel all over again, probably with cruder and implementation that is more flawed compared to dtrace. Why don't you write it and release it under a BSD license? gr Arno ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: source code licensing questions
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:42 AM, son goku wrote: > Thanks guys for the prompt answers!!! > It seems weird that code that uses dtrace must be opened. I mean every > serious production level application must have some dtrace-like mechanism > inside to collect online information when needed. It is a shame that > because > of licensing issues, I will have to roll-my-own and re-invent the wheel all > over again, probably with cruder and implementation that is more flawed > compared to dtrace. > > I wonder what all the proprietary modules for Solaris (VxVM jumps to > mind...) or BSD do? Or there are no such modules anymore... > > http://www.sun.com/cddl/ - http://www.sun.com/cddl/cddl.html - *1.3. “Covered Software”* means (a) the Original Software, or (b) Modifications, or (c) the combination of files containing Original Software with files containing Modifications, in each case including portions thereof. - *1.6. “Larger Work”* means a work which combines Covered Software or portions thereof with code not governed by the terms of this License. - - *3.6. Larger Works.* You may create a Larger Work by combining Covered Software with other code not governed by the terms of this License and distribute the Larger Work as a single product. In such a case, You must make sure the requirements of this License are fulfilled for the Covered Software. -- http://www.opensource.org/licenses/cddl1.php http://opensolaris.org/os/licensing/cddllicense.txt http://opensolaris.org/os/licensing/opensolaris_license/ http://www.opensolaris.com/licensing/opensolaris_license/ http://www.netbeans.org/cddl.html http://www.openmediacommons.org/CDDL_License.html http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL), version 1.0<http://www.opensolaris.org/os/licensing/cddllicense.txt> This is a free software license. It has a copyleft with a scope that's similar to the one in the Mozilla Public License, which makes it incompatible with the GNU GPL <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>. This means a module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the CDDL cannot legally be linked together. We urge you not to use the CDDL for this reason. Also unfortunate in the CDDL is its use of the term “intellectual property<http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html> ”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distribution_License http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/2005/02/04/#cddl === http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/licensing_faq/ *If I use code licensed under the CDDL in my proprietary product, will I have to share my source code?* Yes, for any source files that are licensed under the CDDL and any modifications you make. However, you don't need to share the source for your proprietary source files. === http://lwn.net/Articles/114839/ I am NOT a lawyer , therefore my opinions does NOT have any legal value . In short , CDDL does NOT require to disclose your OWN proprietary sources , BUT ONLY requires to explicitly supply CDDL licensed parts with any changes applied to them with respect to CDDL license . If you are a commercial entity my suggestion would be to seek legal advise from a lawyer with expertise on software licenses and copyrights . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: source code licensing questions
Thanks guys for the prompt answers!!! It seems weird that code that uses dtrace must be opened. I mean every serious production level application must have some dtrace-like mechanism inside to collect online information when needed. It is a shame that because of licensing issues, I will have to roll-my-own and re-invent the wheel all over again, probably with cruder and implementation that is more flawed compared to dtrace. I wonder what all the proprietary modules for Solaris (VxVM jumps to mind...) or BSD do? Or there are no such modules anymore... On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Vincent Hoffman wrote: > Jonathan Chen wrote: > > > >> 4.Suppose the answer for 1-3 is no, s there any other reason why I need > to > >> open the code. > > > > Only if you feel like it. > > > I'd make that, Only if you feel like it or would like the warm glow of > giving back to the community (and of course all those extra eyes to > audit and improve your code ;) ) That said their is no obligation at all. > > Vince > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: source code licensing questions
Jonathan Chen wrote: > >> 4.Suppose the answer for 1-3 is no, s there any other reason why I need to >> open the code. > > Only if you feel like it. > I'd make that, Only if you feel like it or would like the warm glow of giving back to the community (and of course all those extra eyes to audit and improve your code ;) ) That said their is no obligation at all. Vince _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: source code licensing questions
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:58:14AM +0300, son goku wrote: [...] > Browsing the web about the BSD license just made me confused. Seems like to > understand these licensing issues you must be a lawyer. Basically the BSD licence is: do what you like, but: 1. don't say you did it all by yourself. 2. you can't blame us for anything. 3. Include the COPYRIGHT notice. > I got the following questions regarding source license: > 1.Do I need to open the source code for my product if I use the BSD kernel > as part of the product? No. > 2.If I do some kernel changes, do I need to open those changes as well? No. > 3.What about Dtrace, if I use DTrace will I need to open code that use it? The CDDL licence seems to imply that you do. > 4.Suppose the answer for 1-3 is no, s there any other reason why I need to > open the code. Only if you feel like it. -- Jonathan Chen -- Jesus saves. Allah forgives. Cthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
source code licensing questions
Hi all, I am a part of a team that is planning to open a start-up company. We plan to ship a revolutionary storage controller. We are now investigating possible OS for the product. The choices that we came up with are either LINUX or Free-BSD. I am strongly biased toward Free-BSD, however I still need to understand the licensing impacts of using a Free-BSD kernel. Browsing the web about the BSD license just made me confused. Seems like to understand these licensing issues you must be a lawyer. I got the following questions regarding source license: 1.Do I need to open the source code for my product if I use the BSD kernel as part of the product? 2.If I do some kernel changes, do I need to open those changes as well? 3.What about Dtrace, if I use DTrace will I need to open code that use it? 4.Suppose the answer for 1-3 is no, s there any other reason why I need to open the code. Please understand that my questions stem from the fact that we are afraid of exposing our source code, especially during the first phases of the project. It is more than possible, that we will re-consider our approach in later stages and open some or all our code to the community. Thanks!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD + HP Pavilion DV7-1299EF, Pre-install questions.
>From what I gathered on the net, the problem seems to be coming from Firewire, or more specifically, the sdp module, They suggested disabling Firewire from BIOS setup, install then build a custom kernel with sdp commented, the problem is, There's no option to disable Firewire in my BIOS setup so I'm back to square 1. Anyone knows how can I boot (from DVD !!) with sdp disabled ?? Thanks References: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-May/198376.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-May/198410.html http://www.nabble.com/run_interrupt_driven_hooks:-still-waiting-after-300-seconds-for-xpt_config-td23492390.html On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Wael Nasreddine (a.k.a eMxyzptlk) < m...@nasreddine.com> wrote: > I have a problem booting the DVD on this laptop, with ACPI enabled, it > crashes after the usb part, check the screenshot > http://omploader.org/vMjBqbA > > I tried with ACPI disabled, the whole system stops responding even > before the USB part. > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Wael Nasreddine (a.k.a eMxyzptlk) > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I recently bought an HP Pavilion DV7-1299EF, it's 2.4Ghz Core 2 DUO, 4G > RAM, 2x250 Gb Hard Disk > > > > --- lspci > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory > Controller Hub (rev 07) > > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset PCI Express > Graphics Port (rev 07) > > 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI > Controller #4 (rev 03) > > 00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI > Controller #5 (rev 03) > > 00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI > Controller #2 (rev 03) > > 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio > Controller (rev 03) > > 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express > Port 1 (rev 03) > > 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express > Port 2 (rev 03) > > 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express > Port 3 (rev 03) > > 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express > Port 4 (rev 03) > > 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express > Port 5 (rev 03) > > 00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express > Port 6 (rev 03) > > 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI > Controller #1 (rev 03) > > 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI > Controller #2 (rev 03) > > 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI > Controller #3 (rev 03) > > 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI > Controller #6 (rev 03) > > 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI > Controller #1 (rev 03) > > 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 93) > > 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation ICH9M LPC Interface Controller (rev > 03) > > 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation ICH9M/M-E SATA AHCI Controller > (rev 03) > > 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller > (rev 03) > > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9600M > GT] (rev a1) > > 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN > [Shiloh] Network Connection > > 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. > RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02) > > 06:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): JMicron Technology Corp. IEEE 1394 Host > Controller > > 06:00.1 System peripheral: JMicron Technology Corp. SD/MMC Host > Controller > > 06:00.2 SD Host controller: JMicron Technology Corp. Standard SD Host > Controller > > 06:00.3 System peripheral: JMicron Technology Corp. MS Host Controller > > 06:00.4 System peripheral: JMicron Technology Corp. xD Host Controller > > --- lspci > > > > What is critical for me is: > > > > Wifi: Intel 5100 AGN > > Graphics: Nvidia Geforce 9600M GT Resolution: 1440x900 > > Sound: Intel High definition Audio, Codec: IDT 92HD71B7X > > > > Since I have 2x250Gb, I would like to use ZFS, I heard FreeBSD can boot > from ZFS now, is it stable ? > > > > Thanks in advance for your feedback. > > > > -- > > Wael Nasreddine > > > > Blog: http://wael.nasreddine.com > > E-mail : wael.nasredd...@gmail.com > > gTalk : wael.nasredd...@gmail.com > > Tel : +33.6.32.94.70.13 > > Skype : e
Re: FreeBSD + HP Pavilion DV7-1299EF, Pre-install questions.
I have a problem booting the DVD on this laptop, with ACPI enabled, it crashes after the usb part, check the screenshot http://omploader.org/vMjBqbA I tried with ACPI disabled, the whole system stops responding even before the USB part. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Wael Nasreddine (a.k.a eMxyzptlk) wrote: > > Hello, > > I recently bought an HP Pavilion DV7-1299EF, it's 2.4Ghz Core 2 DUO, 4G RAM, > 2x250 Gb Hard Disk > > --- lspci > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory > Controller Hub (rev 07) > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset PCI Express > Graphics Port (rev 07) > 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI > Controller #4 (rev 03) > 00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI > Controller #5 (rev 03) > 00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI > Controller #2 (rev 03) > 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio > Controller (rev 03) > 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 1 > (rev 03) > 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 2 > (rev 03) > 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 3 > (rev 03) > 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 4 > (rev 03) > 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 5 > (rev 03) > 00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 6 > (rev 03) > 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI > Controller #1 (rev 03) > 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI > Controller #2 (rev 03) > 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI > Controller #3 (rev 03) > 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI > Controller #6 (rev 03) > 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI > Controller #1 (rev 03) > 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 93) > 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation ICH9M LPC Interface Controller (rev 03) > 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation ICH9M/M-E SATA AHCI Controller > (rev 03) > 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev > 03) > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9600M GT] > (rev a1) > 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] > Network Connection > 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B > PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02) > 06:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): JMicron Technology Corp. IEEE 1394 Host > Controller > 06:00.1 System peripheral: JMicron Technology Corp. SD/MMC Host Controller > 06:00.2 SD Host controller: JMicron Technology Corp. Standard SD Host > Controller > 06:00.3 System peripheral: JMicron Technology Corp. MS Host Controller > 06:00.4 System peripheral: JMicron Technology Corp. xD Host Controller > --- lspci > > What is critical for me is: > > Wifi: Intel 5100 AGN > Graphics: Nvidia Geforce 9600M GT Resolution: 1440x900 > Sound: Intel High definition Audio, Codec: IDT 92HD71B7X > > Since I have 2x250Gb, I would like to use ZFS, I heard FreeBSD can boot from > ZFS now, is it stable ? > > Thanks in advance for your feedback. > > -- > Wael Nasreddine > > Blog : http://wael.nasreddine.com > E-mail : wael.nasredd...@gmail.com > gTalk : wael.nasredd...@gmail.com > Tel : +33.6.32.94.70.13 > Skype : eMxyzptlk > Twitter : @eMxyzptlk > > Sabayon Linux Chief Development Officer - http://www.sabayonlinux.org > > PGP: 1024D/C8DD18A2 06F6 1622 4BC8 4CEB D724 DE12 5565 3945 C8DD 18A2 > > .: An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs, > would never make a good program. (L. Torvalds 1995) :. > -- Wael Nasreddine Blog : http://wael.nasreddine.com E-mail : wael.nasredd...@gmail.com gTalk : wael.nasredd...@gmail.com Tel : +33.6.32.94.70.13 Skype : eMxyzptlk Twitter : @eMxyzptlk Sabayon Linux Chief Development Officer - http://www.sabayonlinux.org PGP: 1024D/C8DD18A2 06F6 1622 4BC8 4CEB D724 DE12 5565 3945 C8DD 18A2 .: An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs, would never make a good program. (L. Torvalds 1995) :. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
FreeBSD + HP Pavilion DV7-1299EF, Pre-install questions.
Hello, I recently bought an HP Pavilion DV7-1299EF, it's 2.4Ghz Core 2 DUO, 4G RAM, 2x250 Gb Hard Disk --- lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub (rev 07) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset PCI Express Graphics Port (rev 07) 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 03) 00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 03) 00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 03) 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 03) 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 5 (rev 03) 00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 6 (rev 03) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #6 (rev 03) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 93) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation ICH9M LPC Interface Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation ICH9M/M-E SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9600M GT] (rev a1) 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02) 06:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): JMicron Technology Corp. IEEE 1394 Host Controller 06:00.1 System peripheral: JMicron Technology Corp. SD/MMC Host Controller 06:00.2 SD Host controller: JMicron Technology Corp. Standard SD Host Controller 06:00.3 System peripheral: JMicron Technology Corp. MS Host Controller 06:00.4 System peripheral: JMicron Technology Corp. xD Host Controller --- lspci What is critical for me is: Wifi: Intel 5100 AGN Graphics: Nvidia Geforce 9600M GT Resolution: 1440x900 Sound: Intel High definition Audio, Codec: IDT 92HD71B7X Since I have 2x250Gb, I would like to use ZFS, I heard FreeBSD can boot from ZFS now, is it stable ? Thanks in advance for your feedback. -- Wael Nasreddine Blog: http://wael.nasreddine.com E-mail : wael.nasredd...@gmail.com gTalk : wael.nasredd...@gmail.com Tel : +33.6.32.94.70.13 Skype : eMxyzptlk Twitter : @eMxyzptlk Sabayon Linux Chief Development Officer - http://www.sabayonlinux.org PGP: 1024D/C8DD18A2 06F6 1622 4BC8 4CEB D724 DE12 5565 3945 C8DD 18A2 .: An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs, would never make a good program. (L. Torvalds 1995) :. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 267, Issue 3
>>> A bit of reading shows that ZFS, if it's stable enough, has some >>> really great features that would be nice on such a large pile o' >>> drives. >>> >>> See http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSQuickStartGuide >>> >>> I guess the last question I'll ask (as any more may uncover my >>> ignorance) is if you need to use hardware RAID at all? It seems >>> both UFS2 and ZFS can do software RAID which seems to be quite >>> reasonable with respect to performance and in many ways seems to be >>> more robust since it is a bit more portable (no specialized >>> hardware). >> >> I've thought about this one a lot. In my case, the hard drives are in >> a separate enclosure from the server and the two had to be connected >> via SAS cables. The 9690SA-8E card was the best choice I could find >> for accessing an external SAS enclosure with support for 8 drives. >> >> I could configure it in JBOD mode and then use software to create a >> RAID array. In fact, I will likely do this to compare performance of a >> hardware vs. software RAID5 solution. The ZFS RAID-Z option does not >> appeal to me, because the read performance does not benefit from >> additional drives, and I don't think RAID6 is available in software. >> For those reasons I'm leaning toward a hardware implementation. >> > > > Hi Maxim, > > RAID-Z2 is the RAID6 double parity option in ZFS. > > > gr > Arno > > I'm planning on doing something like this once I get 2 more 1TB drives. I'm going to try out a zfs RAID-Z not RAID-Z2, but yeah. I've been around openSolaris' docs on zfs & it seems to be really robust, you can export it on one OS and import it on another (incase your root dies, or you want to migrate your disks to another box), you can take "snapshots" which are stored on the drive, but I'm sure you could send those files somewhere to be backed up. And if you have really important files you can create multiple copies of them automatically with ZFS. If you set it up with multiple vdevs, you can get a lot more speed out of disk I/O as well, because if you have like 2 raidz vdevs, it stripes them, so you can pull data faster from both. I can't remember if it was on this or another list, but there was a great discussion about the performance abilities/issues of zfs & they had some good points like not using more than 8 drives per vdev & such. Try it out both ways and see which is best. there are pro's & con's to both, but it all depends on what you need for your solution. & remember raid is not a form of back-up. so if this is for critical information, make sure you back-up as well. Cheers, Bucky ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: devd configuration questions
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 03:02:00AM -0500, Sagara Wijetunga wrote: > Hi FreeBSD community > > I have few questions regarding devd configuration: > > 1. What is the difference between "attach" or "notify" and when to use them? > 2. What are the possible values for "class" in "attach" and "detach" > statements? > > 3. What are the possible values for "subdevice" in "attach" and "detach" > statements? > > 4. What are the possible values for "system", "subsystem", "type" in > "notify" statement? This is all covered in the manual page for devd.conf. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpX30ecZCDtK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: devd configuration questions
Sagara Wijetunga wrote: Hi FreeBSD community I have few questions regarding devd configuration: 1. What is the difference between "attach" or "notify" and when to use them? 2. What are the possible values for "class" in "attach" and "detach" statements? 3. What are the possible values for "subdevice" in "attach" and "detach" statements? 4. What are the possible values for "system", "subsystem", "type" in "notify" statement? Kind regards Sagara Sorry, I forgot to mention, I need above information regarding FreeBSD 7.2 (i386). Regards Sagara ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
devd configuration questions
Hi FreeBSD community I have few questions regarding devd configuration: 1. What is the difference between "attach" or "notify" and when to use them? 2. What are the possible values for "class" in "attach" and "detach" statements? 3. What are the possible values for "subdevice" in "attach" and "detach" statements? 4. What are the possible values for "system", "subsystem", "type" in "notify" statement? Kind regards Sagara ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: 2 questions: GEOM_LABEL and partition naming
2009/7/7 Daniel Underwood : > Good morning, folks! (At least, it's morning on the east coast of USA) > > > QUESTION 1: Would someone please explain the /var/run/dmesg.boot excerpt > below? > > Note: I have glanced at both of the following links, but at the > moment, I do not have time to dig into the documentation and learn all > about this. I'm hoping to get enough knowledge to understand what's > going on with this excerpt, and then later invest time in deeper > learning. > <http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom.html> > <http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=geom&sektion=4> > > [BEGIN excerpt from dmesg.boot] > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1a is ufsid/4a0047d615cb402f. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1d is ufsid/4a0047d94598831f. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1e is ufsid/4a0047d8017e2a4d. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1f is ufsid/4a0047d82cde044f. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1g is ufsid/4a0047d6b40e9fa1. > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d615cb402f removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1a is ufsid/4a0047d615cb402f. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d6b40e9fa1 removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1g is ufsid/4a0047d6b40e9fa1. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d8017e2a4d removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1e is ufsid/4a0047d8017e2a4d. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d82cde044f removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1f is ufsid/4a0047d82cde044f. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d94598831f removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1d is ufsid/4a0047d94598831f. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d615cb402f removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d6b40e9fa1 removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d8017e2a4d removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d82cde044f removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d94598831f removed. > [END excerpt from dmesg.boot] By default now, geom creates an ufsid label on its ufs partitions (similar idea to linux's uuid scheme). If you choose to not use it (let us say, for instance, as we can clearly see, as no-one could disagree (and 30 other inane Chomskyisms)) by mounting your partitions via their respective bsdlabel names, geom kindly removes them. There has been some debate as to whether this should be silent or not (I think in freebsd-current@), since it is perfectly safe to ignore. It is perfectly safe to ignore. -- -- _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: 2 questions: GEOM_LABEL and partition naming
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Re: 2 questions: GEOM_LABEL and partition naming
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Daniel Underwood wrote: > Good morning, folks! (At least, it's morning on the east coast of USA) > > > QUESTION 1: Would someone please explain the /var/run/dmesg.boot excerpt > below? > > Note: I have glanced at both of the following links, but at the > moment, I do not have time to dig into the documentation and learn all > about this. I'm hoping to get enough knowledge to understand what's > going on with this excerpt, and then later invest time in deeper > learning. > <http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom.html> > <http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=geom&sektion=4> > > [BEGIN excerpt from dmesg.boot] > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1a is ufsid/4a0047d615cb402f. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1d is ufsid/4a0047d94598831f. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1e is ufsid/4a0047d8017e2a4d. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1f is ufsid/4a0047d82cde044f. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1g is ufsid/4a0047d6b40e9fa1. > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d615cb402f removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1a is ufsid/4a0047d615cb402f. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d6b40e9fa1 removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1g is ufsid/4a0047d6b40e9fa1. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d8017e2a4d removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1e is ufsid/4a0047d8017e2a4d. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d82cde044f removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1f is ufsid/4a0047d82cde044f. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d94598831f removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1d is ufsid/4a0047d94598831f. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d615cb402f removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d6b40e9fa1 removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d8017e2a4d removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d82cde044f removed. > GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d94598831f removed. > [END excerpt from dmesg.boot] This are labels: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-glabel.html. > > > More possibly relevant information: > > [BEGIN /etc/fstab] > # DeviceMountpoint FStype Options Dump > Pass# > /dev/ad0s1b noneswapsw 0 0 > /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad0s1g /home ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1e /tmpufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1f /usrufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1d /varufs rw 2 2 > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > > linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 > [END /etc/fstab] > > [BEGIN output of df command] > Filesystem 1K-blocksUsedAvail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad0s1a756750 162710 53350023%/ > devfs 1 10 100%/dev > /dev/ad0s1g 23364076 112878 21382072 1%/home > /dev/ad0s1e756750 862 695348 0%/tmp > /dev/ad0s1f 10154158 5275158 40856%/usr > /dev/ad0s1d756750 163790 53242024%/var > linprocfs 4 40 100%/usr/compat/linux/proc > [END output of df command] > > > QUESTION 2: I'm suprised that the device names (from the df output > above) do not include "ad0s1b" and "ad0s1c". I thought the naming > should follow the model of "ad0s1%" where "%" begins at "a" and > continues in alphabetical order for each partition on that device. > What am I missing? Partition b is for swap and c represents the entire slice. They will not appear in df output. > > > > TIA, > Daniel > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > -- network warrior since 2005 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
2 questions: GEOM_LABEL and partition naming
Good morning, folks! (At least, it's morning on the east coast of USA) QUESTION 1: Would someone please explain the /var/run/dmesg.boot excerpt below? Note: I have glanced at both of the following links, but at the moment, I do not have time to dig into the documentation and learn all about this. I'm hoping to get enough knowledge to understand what's going on with this excerpt, and then later invest time in deeper learning. <http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom.html> <http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=geom&sektion=4> [BEGIN excerpt from dmesg.boot] GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1a is ufsid/4a0047d615cb402f. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1d is ufsid/4a0047d94598831f. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1e is ufsid/4a0047d8017e2a4d. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1f is ufsid/4a0047d82cde044f. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1g is ufsid/4a0047d6b40e9fa1. Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d615cb402f removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1a is ufsid/4a0047d615cb402f. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d6b40e9fa1 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1g is ufsid/4a0047d6b40e9fa1. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d8017e2a4d removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1e is ufsid/4a0047d8017e2a4d. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d82cde044f removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1f is ufsid/4a0047d82cde044f. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d94598831f removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s1d is ufsid/4a0047d94598831f. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d615cb402f removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d6b40e9fa1 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d8017e2a4d removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d82cde044f removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0047d94598831f removed. [END excerpt from dmesg.boot] More possibly relevant information: [BEGIN /etc/fstab] # DeviceMountpoint FStype Options DumpPass# /dev/ad0s1b noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad0s1g /home ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1e /tmpufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1f /usrufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1d /varufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 [END /etc/fstab] [BEGIN output of df command] Filesystem 1K-blocksUsedAvail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a756750 162710 53350023%/ devfs 1 10 100%/dev /dev/ad0s1g 23364076 112878 21382072 1%/home /dev/ad0s1e756750 862 695348 0%/tmp /dev/ad0s1f 10154158 5275158 40856%/usr /dev/ad0s1d756750 163790 53242024%/var linprocfs 4 40 100%/usr/compat/linux/proc [END output of df command] QUESTION 2: I'm suprised that the device names (from the df output above) do not include "ad0s1b" and "ad0s1c". I thought the naming should follow the model of "ad0s1%" where "%" begins at "a" and continues in alphabetical order for each partition on that device. What am I missing? TIA, Daniel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Questions on portmaster
On 7/2/09, Manish Jain wrote:
> b. f. wrote:
>> Manish Jain wrote:
> Regarding the download speeds I was getting with portmaster fetches (0.7
> kBps to 4.0 kBps), I immediately booted into Windows/Cygwin and did a
> wget from the same site portmaster was using. The speed I got from wget
> was ~ 35 kBps. This happened not just once but multiple times. Each time
> I did this, I had to interrupt portmaster. Finally I managed to get to
> install the wget port on FreeBSD itself. When I ran wget from FreeBSD,
> it reported comparable transfer rates (~ 35 kBps) from the same sites as
> portmaster was using.
>
This has nothing to do with portmaster. Remember, portmaster is just
a (sometimes) convenient shell script wrapper for the normal ports
infrastructure. What you're probably seeing is either the usual
fluctuations in network performance, or the difference between wget
and FreeBSD fetch(1), which by default is used for getting distfiles
and packages. This is set in bsd.port.mk, and you can override it if
you prefer to use something else. See the comments concerning
FETCH_BINARY, FETCH_ARGS, FETCH_CMD, FETCH_{BEFORE,AFTER}_ARGS,
FETCH_ENV, and FETCH_REGET at the top of bsd.port.mk, or the relevant
portion of that script. You can also try tuning your network
settings, which can speed things up significantly in some cases.
>>> It respects IGNORE (it checks for it in the port Makefile, and also
>>> hands off to bsd.port.mk, which respects it).
>
> I got a curl port from portsnap marked IGNORE. portmaster did not ignore
> it anywhere near gracefully enough and finally killed off all child
> processes and itself.
>
Uh, yeah -- but that's another matter. It did IGNORE it, but it just
stopped entirely. This is another one of the things that need
improvement. portupgrade, by contrast, will keep going, only ignoring
the port in question and any ports that depend upon it, but updating
the rest. You should be able to patch portmaster to mimic this
behavior.
> Anyway, my system became so unpredictable that I had to reinstall
> FreeBSD. For the moment, I am avoiding portmaster till I can try it out
> on a dummy PC first.
>
Well, something is awry if your system was damaged that badly, and it
probably wasn't because of portmaster. In general, few ports ought to
damage the base system. You're probably better off trying to remove
and then reinstall all of your ports first (the instructions in the
portmaster manpage are good in this regard), before reinstalling
everything.
> BTW, I also tried portmanager and it segfaulted at the stage of
> generating a report.
>
Oh, well. Sounds like a job for rnol...@freebsd.org. But wait --
who wants to bother him about some tiny piece of port management
software when he is heroically staging a single-handed campaign to
maintain X11 on FreeBSD?
b.
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Re: Questions on portmaster
Or maybe my system was badly broken already by that time. Anyway, my system became so unpredictable that I had to reinstall FreeBSD. For the moment, I am avoiding portmaster till I can try it out on a dummy PC first. BTW, I also tried portmanager and it segfaulted at the stage of generating a report. Thanks for all the help. Manish Jain invalid.poin...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Questions on portmaster
Manish Jain wrote:
>...Does each child start 'make fetch' in the background ?
make checksum, yes.
>Further, how can portmaster be tuned to automatically ignore ports which
>are actually marked as IGNORE in the port directory ? This is not
>covered in the manpage.
It respects IGNORE (it checks for it in the port Makefile, and also
hands off to bsd.port.mk, which respects it). If you mean +IGNOREME,
the others have answered your question.
>While doing portmaster -a, I have only managed to stop portmaster from
>building exactly one port specified with the -x option. Can I get to
>stop multiple ports from being built ? Is there regular expression
>support for the -x option ?
Not in the sense that you mean, at least that I'm aware of. This one
of the things that needs improvement. It is a bit awkward, because it
uses the shell's built-in POSIX getopts to parse options, and then
calls itself recursively. One way you could fix it would be to apply
a patch like:
--- portmaster.orig 2009-07-01 12:36:14.0 -0400
+++ portmaster 2009-07-01 18:55:59.0 -0400
@@ -9,7 +9,7 @@
if [ -z "$PARENT_PID" ]; then
PARENT_PID=$$
: ${TMPDIR:=/tmp}
- UPGRADE_TOOL=portmaster
+ UPGRADE_TOOL=$0
# /usr/local is needed in the path for make
PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin
@@ -788,7 +788,11 @@
u) UNATTENDED=uopt; ARGS="-u $ARGS" ;;
v) PM_VERBOSE=vopt; ARGS="-v $ARGS" ;;
w) SAVE_SHARED=wopt; ARGS="-w $ARGS" ;;
- x) EXCL=$OPTARG ;;
+ x) if [ -z "${OPTARG%%-*}" ]; then
+ fail 'The -x option requires an argument'
+ else
+ EXCL="-x $OPTARG $EXCL"
+ fi ;;
*) echo '' ; echo "===>>> Try ${0##*/} --help"; exit 1 ;;
esac
done
@@ -810,10 +814,7 @@
[ -n "$FETCH_ONLY" -a -n "$NO_RECURSIVE_CONFIG" ] &&
fail "The -F and -G options are mutually exclusive"
if [ -n "$EXCL" ]; then
- case "$EXCL" in
- -*) fail 'The -x option requires an argument' ;;
- *) ARGS="-x $EXCL $ARGS" ;;
- esac
+ ARGS="$EXCL $ARGS"
fi
#=== Begin functions for getopts features and main ===
@@ -1461,14 +1462,17 @@
check_exclude () {
[ -n "$EXCL" ] || return 0
- case "$1" in
- *${EXCL}*)
- if [ -n "$PM_VERBOSE" ]; then
- echo "===>>> Skipping $1"
- echo " because it matches the pattern: *${EXCL}*"
- fi
- return 1 ;;
- esac
+ for pkgglob in `echo "$EXCL" | sed -e 's#-x##g'`
+ do
+ case "$1" in
+ *${pkgglob}*)
+ if [ -n "$PM_VERBOSE" ]; then
+ echo "===>>> Skipping $1"
+ echo " because it matches the pattern:
*${pkgglob}*"
+ fi
+ return 1 ;;
+ esac ;
+ done
return 0
}
(Mind the whitespace because of my MUA.) Then you could just use
repeated -x flags, each with one and only one package glob that you
wanted to exclude. I changed the definition of UPGRADE_TOOL so that
you could put this script in your path under another name, say
"jainpmaster", and then call it independently of the original
portmaster. As usual, I make no claim that this is the best, only, or
most elegant way to do this.
Regards,
b.
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Re: Questions on portmaster
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:32:47AM +0530, Manish Jain wrote: > > Hi, > > I am using portmaster on FreeBSD-7.2 to keep my ports up to date. When > there are multiple ports to be updated, portmaster will fork off child > processes. Does each child start 'make fetch' in the background ? The fetches are not done in parallel. > I ask > this because the parent process attached to the console reports very low > data transfer rates (in the range of 0.7 to 4.0 kBps, while normally I > get 30 to 35 kBps). This is not enough data to ascertain there is a problem with fetch. If you are fetching from a busy site, or via a busy upstream channel it can be slow. > Further, how can portmaster be tuned to automatically ignore ports which > are actually marked as IGNORE in the port directory ? touch /var/db/pkg//+IGNOREME > This is not covered in the manpage. It is. Look in the FILES section of portmaster(8). Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgp4qK8UEAKmn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Questions on portmaster
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:14:10AM -0400, mfv wrote: > On Wednesday, 1 July 2009 02:02:47 Manish Jain wrote: > excluded. Nevertheless, I use portmaster daily and am very pleased with it. > > With thanks to Doug Barton. portmaster rules, excellent tool, Doug is a star! -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Questions on portmaster
On Wednesday, 1 July 2009 02:02:47 Manish Jain wrote: > Hi, > > I am using portmaster on FreeBSD-7.2 to keep my ports up to date. When > there are multiple ports to be updated, portmaster will fork off child > processes. Does each child start 'make fetch' in the background ? I ask > this because the parent process attached to the console reports very low > data transfer rates (in the range of 0.7 to 4.0 kBps, while normally I > get 30 to 35 kBps). > > Further, how can portmaster be tuned to automatically ignore ports which > are actually marked as IGNORE in the port directory ? This is not > covered in the manpage. > > While doing portmaster -a, I have only managed to stop portmaster from > building exactly one port specified with the -x option. Can I get to > stop multiple ports from being built ? Is there regular expression > support for the -x option ? > > Thanks for any help. Hello Manish, Regarding your last point about excluding particular ports I always thought that it would be convenient to have a section in /usr/local/etc/portmaster.rc and/or $HOME/.portmasterrc to identify these particular ports. I prefer to have all this information in one place rather than scattered over many subdirectories. I had the same problem with trying to have multiple instances of "-x" but gave up and used +IGNOREME instead. Some time ago I succeeded with a regular expression but it became overly complicated if more than two ports were to be excluded. Nevertheless, I use portmaster daily and am very pleased with it. With thanks to Doug Barton. Cheers... Marek ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Questions on portmaster
Hi, I am using portmaster on FreeBSD-7.2 to keep my ports up to date. When there are multiple ports to be updated, portmaster will fork off child processes. Does each child start 'make fetch' in the background ? I ask this because the parent process attached to the console reports very low data transfer rates (in the range of 0.7 to 4.0 kBps, while normally I get 30 to 35 kBps). Further, how can portmaster be tuned to automatically ignore ports which are actually marked as IGNORE in the port directory ? This is not covered in the manpage. While doing portmaster -a, I have only managed to stop portmaster from building exactly one port specified with the -x option. Can I get to stop multiple ports from being built ? Is there regular expression support for the -x option ? Thanks for any help. -- Regards Manish Jain invalid.poin...@gmail.com +91-96500-10329 Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:14:47 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > ok, sorry. "Brain fault: Core dump" :-) Core fault: brain dump. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 264, Issue 3
DA Forsyth wrote: On 22 Jun 2009 , freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org entreated about "freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 264, Issue 3": I am trying to find out the temperature of my CPU. After a whole night from dusk till dawn of searching the Web like a furious spider, I got the following results: it can be done via either ISA or SMB, with one of the ports: lmmon, healthd, consolehm or mbmon, and there are also few modules that are required in the kernel: smb, smbus, intpm, ichsmb I used a TUSL2 board for a while for one of my servers and mbmon worked fine with it. I did have to compile mbmon without SMB support though (just look inside the Makefile for the right thing to define to prevent smb support). Then when you do a 'mbmon -d' it will tell you what it finds. I never even tried adding smb support to the kernel until after I upgraded both the motherboard and BSD to 7.1 and was curious to see what it might give me. cya -- DA Fo rsythNetwork Supervisor Principal Technical Officer -- Institute for Water Research http://www.ru.ac.za/institutes/iwr/ Holy cahones de la... *skipping few languages* ...rear of Vyagrimukha and Leviathan!! I'm so happy, de merde!.. So, like... When installing mbmon, it gives you an option to disable SMB support; I did never even think about disabling it because where would it take the data from?!.. I do not have ISA or I2C, so SMB seemed like the only way. But, with this support, it's completely impossible to read the temperatures (and -d says that, like, ICH found but there is hardware monitor on it...), and when you disable this support - it reads everything properly!! Thank you very much, my new old CPU will now rest happily knowing that I always watch carefully after its temperature... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: questions on the "ASUS Eee Pc 1000 40G"
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 06:23:37PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Monday, June 22, 2009 a las 08:45:47AM -0700, Gary Kline escribió:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:26:59AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > > El día Sunday, June 21, 2009 a las 05:35:14PM -0700, Gary Kline escribió:
> > >
> > > > i found two at newegg.com. both are the "Eee PC"; both come
> > > > with
> > > > linux. this one is the subject line seems to come with 40G of
> > > > flash/solid state memory. Is this even possible for $400 given
> > > > current technology?
> > > >
> > > > is there any FBSD version available? since it has an rj-45 lan
> > > > jack, i will be able to download the text-to-speech software
> > > > i'll
> > > > need.
> > > >
> > > > any feedback? suggestions for fbsd-capable subnotebooks, etc??
> > > >
> > > > gary
> > >
> > > You might want to check this page: http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee
> > >
> > > I run 8-CURRENT on an EeePC 900 (with 20 GByte SSD);
> > >
> >
> >
> > i have that page open [in another room]. all the asus Eee's
> > look nice, but i'd like more meaty info on these computers.
> > since you're already running 8 on the 900, maybe you can clue
> > me in. what's the speed of your Atom CPU? CAn you run anything
> > X--(X Window System)? also, how far can you go before you max
> > out your computer? RAM, SSD? I only want todemo that a freebsd
> > computer w/ keyboard can be used with the KDE accessibility
> > apps. tts primarily. something i could use with the festival
> > speech tools.
>
> As I said, mine is the Asus EeePC 900 which has a 1 GHz Intel CPU, 1
> GByte RAM and 20 GByte SSD; I run 8-CURRENT and KDE 3.5.10 on it, which
> all run fine and fast. The battery (6600 mAh) last around 4.5 hours.
Sounds impressive. The Eee series are definitely worth checking into
to see if they--or one of them--is right for what I'm thinking of.
>
> You may fetch my older (RELENG_7) installation guide frome here to get
> more details: http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt
>
> HiH
YEs indeed!
gary
>
> matthias
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Re: questions on the "ASUS Eee Pc 1000 40G"
El día Monday, June 22, 2009 a las 08:45:47AM -0700, Gary Kline escribió: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:26:59AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El día Sunday, June 21, 2009 a las 05:35:14PM -0700, Gary Kline escribió: > > > > > i found two at newegg.com. both are the "Eee PC"; both come with > > > linux. this one is the subject line seems to come with 40G of > > > flash/solid state memory. Is this even possible for $400 given > > > current technology? > > > > > > is there any FBSD version available? since it has an rj-45 lan > > > jack, i will be able to download the text-to-speech software i'll > > > need. > > > > > > any feedback? suggestions for fbsd-capable subnotebooks, etc?? > > > > > > gary > > > > You might want to check this page: http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee > > > > I run 8-CURRENT on an EeePC 900 (with 20 GByte SSD); > > > > > i have that page open [in another room]. all the asus Eee's > look nice, but i'd like more meaty info on these computers. > since you're already running 8 on the 900, maybe you can clue > me in. what's the speed of your Atom CPU? CAn you run anything > X--(X Window System)? also, how far can you go before you max > out your computer? RAM, SSD? I only want todemo that a freebsd > computer w/ keyboard can be used with the KDE accessibility > apps. tts primarily. something i could use with the festival > speech tools. As I said, mine is the Asus EeePC 900 which has a 1 GHz Intel CPU, 1 GByte RAM and 20 GByte SSD; I run 8-CURRENT and KDE 3.5.10 on it, which all run fine and fast. The battery (6600 mAh) last around 4.5 hours. You may fetch my older (RELENG_7) installation guide frome here to get more details: http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt HiH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: questions on the "ASUS Eee Pc 1000 40G"
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:26:59AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Sunday, June 21, 2009 a las 05:35:14PM -0700, Gary Kline escribió: > > > i found two at newegg.com. both are the "Eee PC"; both come with > > linux. this one is the subject line seems to come with 40G of > > flash/solid state memory. Is this even possible for $400 given > > current technology? > > > > is there any FBSD version available? since it has an rj-45 lan > > jack, i will be able to download the text-to-speech software i'll > > need. > > > > any feedback? suggestions for fbsd-capable subnotebooks, etc?? > > > > gary > > You might want to check this page: http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee > > I run 8-CURRENT on an EeePC 900 (with 20 GByte SSD); > i have that page open [in another room]. all the asus Eee's look nice, but i'd like more meaty info on these computers. since you're already running 8 on the 900, maybe you can clue me in. what's the speed of your Atom CPU? CAn you run anything X--(X Window System)? also, how far can you go before you max out your computer? RAM, SSD? I only want todemo that a freebsd computer w/ keyboard can be used with the KDE accessibility apps. tts primarily. something i could use with the festival speech tools. i almost choked when i saw the windows touchscreen [heavy] device for 8000-9000 dollars! i thought, ...er, um, will the electrons would melt if i told my thoughts! in civil language, it blew me away. given all the brilliant, open-source stuff plus reasonably-sized (and *affordable*) hardware, it seems like i should be able to cobble something together at my non-profit paradigm for MUCH less than 8K thanks! gary > matthias > -- > Matthias Apitz > t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 > e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ > People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use > FreeBSD. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:01:21AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:25:23 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > one q, polyt. am i mis-reading the timestamp on your mail? > > it reads 05:24 which is getting pretty late. i admit to not > > sacking out until 04:09 this morning, but hey, it's sunday! > > Actually, it's Monday morning in Germany: > > % date > Mon Jun 22 06:59:58 CEST 2009 > > I'm up since 2:00 in the "morning" (night). > ok, sorry. "Brain fault: Core dump" :-) gary > > -- > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: questions on the "ASUS Eee Pc 1000 40G"
El día Sunday, June 21, 2009 a las 05:35:14PM -0700, Gary Kline escribió: > i found two at newegg.com. both are the "Eee PC"; both come with > linux. this one is the subject line seems to come with 40G of > flash/solid state memory. Is this even possible for $400 given > current technology? > > is there any FBSD version available? since it has an rj-45 lan > jack, i will be able to download the text-to-speech software i'll > need. > > any feedback? suggestions for fbsd-capable subnotebooks, etc?? > > gary You might want to check this page: http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee I run 8-CURRENT on an EeePC 900 (with 20 GByte SSD); matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:25:23 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > one q, polyt. am i mis-reading the timestamp on your mail? > it reads 05:24 which is getting pretty late. i admit to not > sacking out until 04:09 this morning, but hey, it's sunday! Actually, it's Monday morning in Germany: % date Mon Jun 22 06:59:58 CEST 2009 I'm up since 2:00 in the "morning" (night). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: questions on the "ASUS Eee Pc 1000 40G"
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 05:35:14PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> i found two at newegg.com. both are the "Eee PC"; both come with
> linux. this one is the subject line seems to come with 40G of
> flash/solid state memory. Is this even possible for $400 given
> current technology?
>
> is there any FBSD version available? since it has an rj-45 lan
> jack, i will be able to download the text-to-speech software i'll
> need.
>
> any feedback? suggestions for fbsd-capable subnotebooks, etc??
>
not to be a stickler for information, but it looks like i've
been living in a cave. i WAS going to post somethiing like:
``in 3 to 5 years when they have flash/SS drive
with 64G...'' blah, blah
and already this one with the intel Atom processor claims to'
have 40 gigs now [!]. it doesn't seem that credible. the last
time i checked the 2G sticks were common.
-g
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Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 05:24:18AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:42:00 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > > > HP Tech Support gave me advice to replace it with FreeBSD 7.2. Try it > > > from a flash drive first to test everything then replace the Ubunto. > > > > > > I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it > > > is working well. > > > > > > > is there a particular url[s], or should i just google? > > Thre's an excellent article: > > http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt > > Don't be scared because of .de - it's in English. :-) dank. i'll check it out when i havw evo up. rt now i'm still using mutt. (until/if they have a gvim plugin for evo, i'm staying with mutt and my Beloved: vi ;-) one q, polyt. am i mis-reading the timestamp on your mail? it reads 05:24 which is getting pretty late. i admit to not sacking out until 04:09 this morning, but hey, it's sunday! gary > > > -- > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:42:00 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > > HP Tech Support gave me advice to replace it with FreeBSD 7.2. Try it > > from a flash drive first to test everything then replace the Ubunto. > > > > I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it > > is working well. > > > > is there a particular url[s], or should i just google? Thre's an excellent article: http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt Don't be scared because of .de - it's in English. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
questions on the "ASUS Eee Pc 1000 40G"
i found two at newegg.com. both are the "Eee PC"; both come with linux. this one is the subject line seems to come with 40G of flash/solid state memory. Is this even possible for $400 given current technology? is there any FBSD version available? since it has an rj-45 lan jack, i will be able to download the text-to-speech software i'll need. any feedback? suggestions for fbsd-capable subnotebooks, etc?? gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Small notebook platforms. [was: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?]
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:16:40PM +0100, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > >On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:42:00PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > >>On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > > > There's a wiki devoted to FreeBSD on Asus eee > http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee > > last edited 2009-05-31 outstanding; i'm looking at the top-of-page rt now:) > > I personally think Asus desktop motherboards are going downhill, based > on my very small sample of two old ones going strong and one recent one > defunct, plus that funny marketing smell that creeps in - "Rock Solid, > Heart Touching" geez. my asus days date pre-2000 when there was a builtin asus-SCSI controller. and at the time anything scsi was a must. marketing folks rate somewhere _beneath_ used-car salesmen, IMHO. there is some saying about needs vs wants, and it's the marketing guys who get us to need <>. . > On the other hand the guys in the component level > laptop repair shop I had to take my HP laptop to recently, told me they > get fewer Asus laptops in for repair than anything, even thinkpads. > (They get mostly HP :-< ) ouch! i've got two critical hp kayaks from 1998. been praying to the hp-gods:) ---well, until i can get a real live human nerd over here to help me replace them. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Small notebook platforms. [was: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?]
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 04:53:37PM -0400, ill...@gmail.com wrote: > 2009/6/21 Gary Kline : > > > anyway, i see only wireless, and i'm cat5 only. i've got a > > 13-yr-old people here who would love for me to go wireless so > > said people could take her apple macbook into her bedroom and so > > on. well, said people need to be not hiding-in-room, in my > > opinion as said people's father. > > Faraday cage? > > Also, netbook, schmetbook. IBM thinkpad x40: 150-180$ on craigslist. > tx; i've got the info on an e-sticky -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:15:31AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > >On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: [[ save the electrons ]] > > > There was a big discussion on this list about a month back about laptops. > > You can search for answers on our FreeBSD list or on Google. > > Consumer reports also had a discussion in their magazine last month. > Many of the net book sellers are now putting Linux OS on them. But not > all models. New Egg, Comp USA (on line) Tiger Direct etc. > thanks for the datapoints, al. my thought was that if i [or a small group of us] could get this typing-to-speech capability working for even $500, it would make headlines globally. freebsd --or maybe pcbsd, or whatever--even linux, since i'm not hard-core religiously opposed to linux. if this could work on portable computer with freebsd's *stability* it would be a win for the millions who do not have a lethal diseases but whose speech is too garbled for most people to understand. (( but then, for these many/most/some? of these neurological disorders degrade so that there is a window where people Can type for awhile before they get too bad.)) i finally read the glossy promo sheets on this windose device. it's got a hard drive, 256meg ram, 800mhz processor. rips you off for 8000 bux. that's for the basic touchscreen with a speaker. i'll poke around the rest of the weekend and see what i can learn. if this is too far OT, please write me offlist. gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Small notebook platforms. [was: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?]
Gary Kline wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:42:00PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: i have another issue that has more to do with freebsd on the new and lost cost notebook computers i had heard of. how many and which ones work best with our flavor of BSD. turns out that sometimes things-ubuntu fail, and i need something failsafe and with a keyboard. i'll explain later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck windose devs. [[ munch ]] I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it is working well. [[ munch ]] okay. i'm on the eeepc.asus.com site. but don't see much info on the spec. i bot asus once years ago and the motherboard crapped out on me after a year. but by now, should be more reliable. anyway, i see only wireless, and i'm cat5 only. i've got a 13-yr-old people here who would love for me to go wireless so said people could take her apple macbook into her bedroom and so on. well, said people need to be not hiding-in-room, in my opinion as said people's father. so is there any other cute notebooks like this "EEe Pc" that have cable? oh, and this tiny thing doesn't look big enough to have any speakers. since the main point of this experiment is to allow typing onthe kde tts apps and have voice output, a speaker is a must-have. feedback, you guys? gary ps: the 7" deal is serious cute, but the kybd is tiny and while i have no hand tremor or anything, i'd probably fat-finger most keys. anybody have the small asus? There's a wiki devoted to FreeBSD on Asus eee http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee last edited 2009-05-31 I personally think Asus desktop motherboards are going downhill, based on my very small sample of two old ones going strong and one recent one defunct, plus that funny marketing smell that creeps in - "Rock Solid, Heart Touching" geez. On the other hand the guys in the component level laptop repair shop I had to take my HP laptop to recently, told me they get fewer Asus laptops in for repair than anything, even thinkpads. (They get mostly HP :-< ) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Small notebook platforms. [was: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?]
2009/6/21 Gary Kline : > anyway, i see only wireless, and i'm cat5 only. i've got a > 13-yr-old people here who would love for me to go wireless so > said people could take her apple macbook into her bedroom and so > on. well, said people need to be not hiding-in-room, in my > opinion as said people's father. Faraday cage? Also, netbook, schmetbook. IBM thinkpad x40: 150-180$ on craigslist. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Small notebook platforms. [was: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?]
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:42:00PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > > >i have another issue that has more to do with freebsd on the new and > > >lost cost notebook computers i had heard of. how many and which ones > > >work best with our flavor of BSD. turns out that sometimes things-ubuntu > > >fail, and i need something failsafe and with a keyboard. i'll explain > > >later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the > > >kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that > > >would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck > > >windose devs. > > > [[ munch ]] > > > > > I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it > > is working well. > > [[ munch ]] okay. i'm on the eeepc.asus.com site. but don't see much info on the spec. i bot asus once years ago and the motherboard crapped out on me after a year. but by now, should be more reliable. anyway, i see only wireless, and i'm cat5 only. i've got a 13-yr-old people here who would love for me to go wireless so said people could take her apple macbook into her bedroom and so on. well, said people need to be not hiding-in-room, in my opinion as said people's father. so is there any other cute notebooks like this "EEe Pc" that have cable? oh, and this tiny thing doesn't look big enough to have any speakers. since the main point of this experiment is to allow typing onthe kde tts apps and have voice output, a speaker is a must-have. feedback, you guys? gary ps: the 7" deal is serious cute, but the kybd is tiny and while i have no hand tremor or anything, i'd probably fat-finger most keys. anybody have the small asus? -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?
Gary Kline wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: Gary Kline wrote: for the dedicated nerds on-list now on the weekend, i just edited [[ this is my LAST edit ]] of ``slicejourney.php''. it goes away in ten days. i have another issue that has more to do with freebsd on the new and lost cost notebook computers i had heard of. how many and which ones work best with our flavor of BSD. turns out that sometimes things-ubuntu fail, and i need something failsafe and with a keyboard. i'll explain later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck windose devs. anybody know? Aloha Gary, Agree that that any Ubunto OS is bad on notebooks. I have an HP Mini 1000 that I have network issues with because Ubunto barfs up any static network settings. HP Tech Support gave me advice to replace it with FreeBSD 7.2. Try it from a flash drive first to test everything then replace the Ubunto. I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it is working well. aloha! is there a particular url[s], or should i just google? lots of miscellaneous questions that the websites may be able to answer. gary -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + < email: n...@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol There was a big discussion on this list about a month back about laptops. You can search for answers on our FreeBSD list or on Google. Consumer reports also had a discussion in their magazine last month. Many of the net book sellers are now putting Linux OS on them. But not all models. New Egg, Comp USA (on line) Tiger Direct etc. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + < email: n...@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > >for the dedicated nerds on-list now on the weekend, i just edited [[ this > >is my LAST edit ]] of ``slicejourney.php''. it goes away in ten days. > > > >i have another issue that has more to do with freebsd on the new and > >lost cost notebook computers i had heard of. how many and which ones > >work best with our flavor of BSD. turns out that sometimes things-ubuntu > >fail, and i need something failsafe and with a keyboard. i'll explain > >later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the > >kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that > >would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck > >windose devs. > > > > > >anybody know? > > > > > > Aloha Gary, > > Agree that that any Ubunto OS is bad on notebooks. I have an HP Mini > 1000 that I have network issues with because Ubunto barfs up any static > network settings. > > HP Tech Support gave me advice to replace it with FreeBSD 7.2. Try it > from a flash drive first to test everything then replace the Ubunto. > > I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it > is working well. > aloha! is there a particular url[s], or should i just google? lots of miscellaneous questions that the websites may be able to answer. gary > -- > > ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 > + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + > + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + > < email: n...@hdk5.net > > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol > -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?
Gary Kline wrote: for the dedicated nerds on-list now on the weekend, i just edited [[ this is my LAST edit ]] of ``slicejourney.php''. it goes away in ten days. i have another issue that has more to do with freebsd on the new and lost cost notebook computers i had heard of. how many and which ones work best with our flavor of BSD. turns out that sometimes things-ubuntu fail, and i need something failsafe and with a keyboard. i'll explain later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck windose devs. anybody know? Aloha Gary, Agree that that any Ubunto OS is bad on notebooks. I have an HP Mini 1000 that I have network issues with because Ubunto barfs up any static network settings. HP Tech Support gave me advice to replace it with FreeBSD 7.2. Try it from a flash drive first to test everything then replace the Ubunto. I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it is working well. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + < email: n...@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 08:12:12AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:52:39 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > i'll explain > > later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the > > kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that > > would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck > > windose devs. > > "Lightweight computer" and "KDE apps"? You must be joking. :-) > sorry. that's the trouble with english. weight as in mass, not power. if they've got something with the "Hz-horsepower" that is something cheap/inexpensve, and WITH KYBD, and small screen, *if*, then if it runs freebsd, yo! i'm go for that puppy. the app the speech therapist showed me was a heavy (like > 2Kg) clumsy, touchscreen dud that used some kind of M$ opsys. if i can roll my own with bsd that ought to make headlines. a few hundred bux compared to $8,000: whoa:-) gary > > > -- > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?
windose devs. "Lightweight computer" and "KDE apps"? You must be joking. :-) KDE could be considered lightweight, just it's the problem to what you compare it :) _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:52:39 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > i'll explain > later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the > kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that > would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck > windose devs. "Lightweight computer" and "KDE apps"? You must be joking. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?
for the dedicated nerds on-list now on the weekend, i just edited [[ this is my LAST edit ]] of ``slicejourney.php''. it goes away in ten days. i have another issue that has more to do with freebsd on the new and lost cost notebook computers i had heard of. how many and which ones work best with our flavor of BSD. turns out that sometimes things-ubuntu fail, and i need something failsafe and with a keyboard. i'll explain later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck windose devs. anybody know? -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: The freebsd-questions Archives
On Friday 12 June 2009 22:21:08 Leslie Jensen wrote: > No matches were found for ... htdung is a failed project. > How should I search the list ? http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
The freebsd-questions Archives
Leslie Jensen writes:
> I try not to disturb the list unless I need to using the list archive to
> find answers.
>
> I've never been successful in searching the archives it always returns
>
> No matches were found for ...
>
>
> Now I see that the search index is not rebuild for a long time
>
> --
>
> Note:The archive search index was last rebuilt at Thursday, 08
> Feb 2007 06:16:51 UTC. Any postings after that will not be found
> by a search. Index rebuild is usally done once every 24 hours
> for this list. You can use a "View by date" link below to access
> more recent postings.
If this is true - if this represents a failure to rebuild the
index, instead of a failure to accurately record when the index was
rebuilt - well, actually it's a problem in both cases just a much
bigger one in the former. Please test to make sure (for example,
are these messages indexed within 48 hours?) and if true file a PR.
You may be on to something. Messages I sent to ports@ on
Tuesday have not appeared on the index.
Robert Huff
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Re: The freebsd-questions Archives
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote: > Hello list! > > I try not to disturb the list unless I need to using the list archive to > find answers. > > I've never been successful in searching the archives it always returns > > No matches were found for ... > > > Now I see that the search index is not rebuild for a long time > > -- > > Note:The archive search index was last rebuilt at Thursday, 08 Feb 2007 > 06:16:51 UTC. Any postings after that will not be found by a search. Index > rebuild is usally done once every 24 hours for this list. You can use a > "View by date" link below to access more recent postings. > > --- > > How should I search the list ? http://marc.info/?w=2 > > > /Leslie > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: The freebsd-questions Archives
Leslie Jensen wrote: Hello list! I try not to disturb the list unless I need to using the list archive to find answers. I've never been successful in searching the archives it always returns No matches were found for ... Now I see that the search index is not rebuild for a long time -- Note:The archive search index was last rebuilt at Thursday, 08 Feb 2007 06:16:51 UTC. Any postings after that will not be found by a search. Index rebuild is usally done once every 24 hours for this list. You can use a "View by date" link below to access more recent postings. --- How should I search the list ? Try http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists (and search for "archive search working") Chris /Leslie _______ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
