Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Hi Kara. what I meant is that most sighted people do not naturally touch type, they look at the keyboard and push individual keys with a couple of fingers. Obviously this is not to say all certainly anyone who has worked in a job revolving aroun taking dictation will have the skills to do it including touch typing, it's just that your average sighted person doesn't. This means that for a sighted person, an on screen touch screen keyboard and an actual keyboard aren't that different, and they'd use them the same way, just point and press, which is why as I said I see keyboards becoming a more specialist thing in the future, not a standard input device, but not something that will entirely be replaced by touch screens either sinse touch typing will still be the fastest way of typing an making notes. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? HI Dark, You said: most sighted people cannot actually touch type at anything like a respectable speed, they just peer at the keys and press so aren't that much slower than with a conventional keyboard What do you mean about sighted people not being able to touch-type quickly? Am I completely misunderstanding you here? Thanks bunches! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:38 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: That is why I use dictation. the problem however devin is most sighted people cannot actually touch type at anything like a respectable speed, they just peer at the keys and press so aren't that much slower than with a conventional keyboard. I suspect keyboards will always be around in some form, even if just for taking notes or secretarial jobs simply because an accomplished typist will always be faster than someone using a touch screen, though as on ios, keyboard commands for actually using the operating system probably won't be around for that long. This is why I think it's going to fall into either using a keyboard for specialist text in put, dictation or touch screen. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? Also, I think that if the touch screen is to be made the default input device, I think screen readers have got to step up their imagining of how a blind person would input text into the touch screen. Sure, braille input is nice, but let's face a little bitty fact, braille is slower than typing. A lot slower. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shaun, That may be so, but we all know mainstream consumer products isn't concerned with accessibility for blind consumers. That keyboard which may in deed be the best access for a blind consumer is quickly and rapidly vanishing from the consumer space and is now a optional device rather than a mandatory one. Now days touchscreens are the primary input device for smartphones, laptops, tablets, and several other devices. So don't get to attached to your keyboard because I don't see it lasting for that much longer outside of an office environment. On 3/28/15, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, for us blinks, the best access is a keyboard, and that means a computer at least for now. as voice recognition gets better that may become another big form, touch I am not sure about. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
[Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015
56 people posted 316 messages. 51 From, dark. 27 From, Josh K. 21 From, Charles Rivard. 18 From, darren harris. 15 From, shaun everiss. 14 From, ishan dhami. 12 From, Thomas Ward. 9 From, Dacia Cole. 9 From, Katie Epperson. 8 From, Cara Quinn. 8 From, Ian McNamara. 8 From, Keith S. 7 From, Ron hopkins. 6 From, David Bartling. 6 From, Dennis Towne. 6 From, Jim Kitchen. 6 From, lenron brown. 5 From, Bryan Peterson. 5 From, Denny Schwab. 5 From, Dorothy Martin. 5 From, Phil Vlasak. 5 From, Teresa Cochran. 4 From, Darren Harris. 4 From, emily. 3 From, Brent Harding. 3 From, Christina. 3 From, Dakotah Rickard. 3 From, john. 3 From, joseph weakland. 3 From, Paul Lemm. 2 From, Devin Prater. 2 From, fabi gonzalez. 2 From, Milos Przic. 2 From, Piotr Machacz. 2 From, Sarah Haake. 2 From, Scott Chesworth. 2 From, wayne coles. 2 From, Zachary Kline. 1 From, Appleman. 1 From, Austin Pinto. 1 From, Dean Masters. 1 From, Edgar Lozano. 1 From, Eleanor. 1 From, Gamers List Guidelines Robot. 1 From, Ian Reed. 1 From, Jacob Kruger. 1 From, Jeremy Brown. 1 From, Kelly Sapergia. 1 From, Leo Cantos. 1 From, Lisa Hayes. 1 From, nicol. 1 From, Paul Lemm. 1 From, Ron Schamerhorn. 1 From, Stephen. 1 From, Travis Siegel. 1 From, Yohandy. Archive file size 1046794 bytes Jim Check my web site for my 36 free games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015
Thanks as always, Jim. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 4:55 AM To: Audyssey Subject: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015 56 people posted 316 messages. 51 From, dark. 27 From, Josh K. 21 From, Charles Rivard. 18 From, darren harris. 15 From, shaun everiss. 14 From, ishan dhami. 12 From, Thomas Ward. 9 From, Dacia Cole. 9 From, Katie Epperson. 8 From, Cara Quinn. 8 From, Ian McNamara. 8 From, Keith S. 7 From, Ron hopkins. 6 From, David Bartling. 6 From, Dennis Towne. 6 From, Jim Kitchen. 6 From, lenron brown. 5 From, Bryan Peterson. 5 From, Denny Schwab. 5 From, Dorothy Martin. 5 From, Phil Vlasak. 5 From, Teresa Cochran. 4 From, Darren Harris. 4 From, emily. 3 From, Brent Harding. 3 From, Christina. 3 From, Dakotah Rickard. 3 From, john. 3 From, joseph weakland. 3 From, Paul Lemm. 2 From, Devin Prater. 2 From, fabi gonzalez. 2 From, Milos Przic. 2 From, Piotr Machacz. 2 From, Sarah Haake. 2 From, Scott Chesworth. 2 From, wayne coles. 2 From, Zachary Kline. 1 From, Appleman. 1 From, Austin Pinto. 1 From, Dean Masters. 1 From, Edgar Lozano. 1 From, Eleanor. 1 From, Gamers List Guidelines Robot. 1 From, Ian Reed. 1 From, Jacob Kruger. 1 From, Jeremy Brown. 1 From, Kelly Sapergia. 1 From, Leo Cantos. 1 From, Lisa Hayes. 1 From, nicol. 1 From, Paul Lemm. 1 From, Ron Schamerhorn. 1 From, Stephen. 1 From, Travis Siegel. 1 From, Yohandy. Archive file size 1046794 bytes Jim Check my web site for my 36 free games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Audyssey thread report for March 2015
There were 73 thread titles. Here are the top 50. xbox accessibility? 37. Alter Aeon help 16. any newly discovered browser MMORPG games out there? 14. trivia crack trouble 14. playing aardwolf? 12. Three Monkeys prototype 12. EatStar 11. Fw: A Sound Collection Not to be Missed 10. Adventure at c: default stats 9. nightjar level 8 9. PS4 Access? 9. trivia crack question 9. Anyone playing discworld mud 8. Astro galaxy 8. FWD Accessible game 8. creating a character on alter aeon 7. RTR 7. the cave alter aeon? 7. recommend new games for beginners 6. The Three Monkeys Kickstarter Campaign 6. easy games 5. Getting Started with Shadow Line Full Voice 5. slender the lost vision. 5. Audyssey babble report for February 2015 4. oriol gomez website. 4. A-T prime software 3. Fluxworld mud 3. hello 3. shredder - Re: xbox accessibility? 3. Stuck on Palidin of the sky please help 3. the berserk command alter aeon 3. a couple of new games are out from marty shultz fromkidfriendly software 2. Angry Acorns in Stem Stumper for iOS 2. any1 playing The Road To Rage I - Fires Of War 2. deamons in angel gift. 2. find shamrock? 2. gamebooks 2. help with mush client 2. Palidin of the sky 2. playing Aardwulf 2. Possible issue with Blindfold Wildcard -was- Re:acouple of new games are out from marty shultzfromkidfriendly software 2. second life radegast client 2. The dreams of many cricket fans are now going tocome true yes now u can play a game of cricket on your pc. 2. Three Monkeys goal 2. Wayfar 2. about the baribari futsal 1. Alter Aeon Leaping Leprechauns! 1. Audyssey thread report for February 2015 1. Beatstar, a new boppit type game for windows 1. blind swordsman query 1. Jim Check my web site for my 36 free games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015
Thanks Jim, a quieter month then usual, i wonder why. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Audyssey Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:54 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015 56 people posted 316 messages. 51 From, dark. 27 From, Josh K. 21 From, Charles Rivard. 18 From, darren harris. 15 From, shaun everiss. 14 From, ishan dhami. 12 From, Thomas Ward. 9 From, Dacia Cole. 9 From, Katie Epperson. 8 From, Cara Quinn. 8 From, Ian McNamara. 8 From, Keith S. 7 From, Ron hopkins. 6 From, David Bartling. 6 From, Dennis Towne. 6 From, Jim Kitchen. 6 From, lenron brown. 5 From, Bryan Peterson. 5 From, Denny Schwab. 5 From, Dorothy Martin. 5 From, Phil Vlasak. 5 From, Teresa Cochran. 4 From, Darren Harris. 4 From, emily. 3 From, Brent Harding. 3 From, Christina. 3 From, Dakotah Rickard. 3 From, john. 3 From, joseph weakland. 3 From, Paul Lemm. 2 From, Devin Prater. 2 From, fabi gonzalez. 2 From, Milos Przic. 2 From, Piotr Machacz. 2 From, Sarah Haake. 2 From, Scott Chesworth. 2 From, wayne coles. 2 From, Zachary Kline. 1 From, Appleman. 1 From, Austin Pinto. 1 From, Dean Masters. 1 From, Edgar Lozano. 1 From, Eleanor. 1 From, Gamers List Guidelines Robot. 1 From, Ian Reed. 1 From, Jacob Kruger. 1 From, Jeremy Brown. 1 From, Kelly Sapergia. 1 From, Leo Cantos. 1 From, Lisa Hayes. 1 From, nicol. 1 From, Paul Lemm. 1 From, Ron Schamerhorn. 1 From, Stephen. 1 From, Travis Siegel. 1 From, Yohandy. Archive file size 1046794 bytes Jim Check my web site for my 36 free games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Hi Tim. well thank you for that unwarranted judgement about myself, it was just what I wanted. for your information I was getting that from many people I know at university, who you would expect would have good typing speeds and touch type due to the need of having to write typed work, but for some reason usually do not. Also, I will remind you I said some not all, maybe you missed that part. indeed if I were inclined to make similarly unhelpful judgements about you the way you do about me I might claime that perhaps you like feeling superior to others by reading their messages selectively so that you can accuse them of being sheltered or not knowing very many sighted people to make yourself feel superior, but as I have no idea of your motivations or experience I won't. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
You must not know to many sighted people, because only those that don't use computers peck at the keyboard. I can do from 120 to 180 words a min and i have ran into even kids, teens and adults that can do higher than that. So looks like your very sheltered when it comes to knowing what the sighted can and can't do or you just only observe only what you want about the sighted. Kind of like selective hearing for some. At 04:11 AM 4/1/2015, you wrote: Hi Kara. what I meant is that most sighted people do not naturally touch type, they look at the keyboard and push individual keys with a couple of fingers. Obviously this is not to say all certainly anyone who has worked in a job revolving aroun taking dictation will have the skills to do it including touch typing, it's just that your average sighted person doesn't. This means that for a sighted person, an on screen touch screen keyboard and an actual keyboard aren't that different, and they'd use them the same way, just point and press, which is why as I said I see keyboards becoming a more specialist thing in the future, not a standard input device, but not something that will entirely be replaced by touch screens either sinse touch typing will still be the fastest way of typing an making notes. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? HI Dark, You said: most sighted people cannot actually touch type at anything like a respectable speed, they just peer at the keys and press so aren't that much slower than with a conventional keyboard What do you mean about sighted people not being able to touch-type quickly? Am I completely misunderstanding you here? Thanks bunches! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:38 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: That is why I use dictation. the problem however devin is most sighted people cannot actually touch type at anything like a respectable speed, they just peer at the keys and press so aren't that much slower than with a conventional keyboard. I suspect keyboards will always be around in some form, even if just for taking notes or secretarial jobs simply because an accomplished typist will always be faster than someone using a touch screen, though as on ios, keyboard commands for actually using the operating system probably won't be around for that long. This is why I think it's going to fall into either using a keyboard for specialist text in put, dictation or touch screen. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? Also, I think that if the touch screen is to be made the default input device, I think screen readers have got to step up their imagining of how a blind person would input text into the touch screen. Sure, braille input is nice, but let's face a little bitty fact, braille is slower than typing. A lot slower. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shaun, That may be so, but we all know mainstream consumer products isn't concerned with accessibility for blind consumers. That keyboard which may in deed be the best access for a blind consumer is quickly and rapidly vanishing from the consumer space and is now a optional device rather than a mandatory one. Now days touchscreens are the primary input device for smartphones, laptops, tablets, and several other devices. So don't get to attached to your keyboard because I don't see it lasting for that much longer outside of an office environment. On 3/28/15, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, for us blinks, the best access is a keyboard, and that means a computer at least for now. as voice recognition gets better that may become another big form, touch I am not sure about. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015
Wow, consiering that for the past couple of weeks I've had a really bad case of the flew and haven't really felt like much I'm surprised there were that many messages from me. all the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Audyssey Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 9:54 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015 56 people posted 316 messages. 51 From, dark. 27 From, Josh K. 21 From, Charles Rivard. 18 From, darren harris. 15 From, shaun everiss. 14 From, ishan dhami. 12 From, Thomas Ward. 9 From, Dacia Cole. 9 From, Katie Epperson. 8 From, Cara Quinn. 8 From, Ian McNamara. 8 From, Keith S. 7 From, Ron hopkins. 6 From, David Bartling. 6 From, Dennis Towne. 6 From, Jim Kitchen. 6 From, lenron brown. 5 From, Bryan Peterson. 5 From, Denny Schwab. 5 From, Dorothy Martin. 5 From, Phil Vlasak. 5 From, Teresa Cochran. 4 From, Darren Harris. 4 From, emily. 3 From, Brent Harding. 3 From, Christina. 3 From, Dakotah Rickard. 3 From, john. 3 From, joseph weakland. 3 From, Paul Lemm. 2 From, Devin Prater. 2 From, fabi gonzalez. 2 From, Milos Przic. 2 From, Piotr Machacz. 2 From, Sarah Haake. 2 From, Scott Chesworth. 2 From, wayne coles. 2 From, Zachary Kline. 1 From, Appleman. 1 From, Austin Pinto. 1 From, Dean Masters. 1 From, Edgar Lozano. 1 From, Eleanor. 1 From, Gamers List Guidelines Robot. 1 From, Ian Reed. 1 From, Jacob Kruger. 1 From, Jeremy Brown. 1 From, Kelly Sapergia. 1 From, Leo Cantos. 1 From, Lisa Hayes. 1 From, nicol. 1 From, Paul Lemm. 1 From, Ron Schamerhorn. 1 From, Stephen. 1 From, Travis Siegel. 1 From, Yohandy. Archive file size 1046794 bytes Jim Check my web site for my 36 free games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
yes I certainly do like my laptop. and on the back of it I have a connector so if I want to connect a big pc monitor I can do so. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 3/31/2015 8:54 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Cara, I tend to agree with you about desktops. For many years I was in the business of PC building, assembling custom desktops, but that market has all but disappeared. Nobody really wants desktops now that laptops are A, much smaller, B, just as powerful, and C, are affordable. For an independent contractor it is impossible to custom build laptops for the price of a low cost Del or Toshiba laptop. So I've left that business behind since for all intents and purposes it isn't really profitable. One doesn't have to go far to see that desktops have largely fallen out of favor. One can just walk into any Walmart or Best Buy in the U.S. and see right off what desktops they have, if any, are few and far between. The other day I was in Walmart and basically the desktops they had on hand was an extremely small CPU case, flatscreen monitor, keyboard, and mouse. Not only was it small the system specs were no better than the laptops they had in the next isle over for about the same price. So I don't see the majority of home users, your average Joe's and Jane's, buying many desktops when for all intents and purposes laptops provide everything for a similar cost. If they need an external keyboard, mouse, or a larger display all those can easily be purchased for their laptop as an additional device. Thing is I know many blind users are part and partial to their desktops, and that is okay. However, long term though we will see them being phased out of the mainstream market and I'd say only being sold to businesses or special interest groups with laptops handling the majority of PC work for the average household. Cheers! On 3/31/15, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Hi Josh, that sounds like an awesome racing game to be sure. :) The laptop I was mentioning which belongs to a friend is actually much higher specced than that, so make no mistake that laptops can perform like this. His machine is designed to run the most current intensive industry-standard image rendering software. Previously this level of software needed to be run on machines like the Mac Pro etc. Check out Alienware. You can completely custom-build a laptop from them which can be quite something. http://www.alienware.com/Landings/laptops.aspx?ST=new%20alienware%20m14xdgc=STcid=245947lid=4238044acd=123098073120560 Of course though, obviously,since desktops can be customized as well, as you say, there will be people who wish to do that. -Nothing wrong with that! :) Please understand, I am not saying anything personally against desktops, :) it's just that I think we will be seeing a lot less production / availability of desktop hardware. In fact, this is already happening in the mainstream. Have an awesome night and do share more about the racing game if you like. I totally dug 3D driving games when I could see. Cheers! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Well guess your type of education is a lot different then ours in the states, because if you can't type you don't go far in most jobs. Yes, I do know a lot of sighted people the world is full of them if you haven't noticed, but I don't make assumptions about them or act like they are beneath my education. but you degrade any that has a opinion that is different or not as yours. At 08:22 AM 4/1/2015, you wrote: Hi Tim. well thank you for that unwarranted judgement about myself, it was just what I wanted. for your information I was getting that from many people I know at university, who you would expect would have good typing speeds and touch type due to the need of having to write typed work, but for some reason usually do not. Also, I will remind you I said some not all, maybe you missed that part. indeed if I were inclined to make similarly unhelpful judgements about you the way you do about me I might claime that perhaps you like feeling superior to others by reading their messages selectively so that you can accuse them of being sheltered or not knowing very many sighted people to make yourself feel superior, but as I have no idea of your motivations or experience I won't. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015
I think it was mostly because of the quiet start, these last few days have had quite a few messages. -- From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 5:06 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015 Thanks Jim, a quieter month then usual, i wonder why. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Audyssey Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:54 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015 56 people posted 316 messages. 51 From, dark. 27 From, Josh K. 21 From, Charles Rivard. 18 From, darren harris. 15 From, shaun everiss. 14 From, ishan dhami. 12 From, Thomas Ward. 9 From, Dacia Cole. 9 From, Katie Epperson. 8 From, Cara Quinn. 8 From, Ian McNamara. 8 From, Keith S. 7 From, Ron hopkins. 6 From, David Bartling. 6 From, Dennis Towne. 6 From, Jim Kitchen. 6 From, lenron brown. 5 From, Bryan Peterson. 5 From, Denny Schwab. 5 From, Dorothy Martin. 5 From, Phil Vlasak. 5 From, Teresa Cochran. 4 From, Darren Harris. 4 From, emily. 3 From, Brent Harding. 3 From, Christina. 3 From, Dakotah Rickard. 3 From, john. 3 From, joseph weakland. 3 From, Paul Lemm. 2 From, Devin Prater. 2 From, fabi gonzalez. 2 From, Milos Przic. 2 From, Piotr Machacz. 2 From, Sarah Haake. 2 From, Scott Chesworth. 2 From, wayne coles. 2 From, Zachary Kline. 1 From, Appleman. 1 From, Austin Pinto. 1 From, Dean Masters. 1 From, Edgar Lozano. 1 From, Eleanor. 1 From, Gamers List Guidelines Robot. 1 From, Ian Reed. 1 From, Jacob Kruger. 1 From, Jeremy Brown. 1 From, Kelly Sapergia. 1 From, Leo Cantos. 1 From, Lisa Hayes. 1 From, nicol. 1 From, Paul Lemm. 1 From, Ron Schamerhorn. 1 From, Stephen. 1 From, Travis Siegel. 1 From, Yohandy. Archive file size 1046794 bytes Jim Check my web site for my 36 free games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Also bare in mind I didn't say Sighted people canot type only that a large number of sighted people do not touch type at a high speed. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
I think you will find that The world does not start and end with the United States. And may come as a shock to some people but it is true nevertheless. Sent from my iPhone On 1 Apr 2015, at 13:58, tim z200...@gmail.com wrote: Well guess your type of education is a lot different then ours in the states, because if you can't type you don't go far in most jobs. Yes, I do know a lot of sighted people the world is full of them if you haven't noticed, but I don't make assumptions about them or act like they are beneath my education. but you degrade any that has a opinion that is different or not as yours. At 08:22 AM 4/1/2015, you wrote: Hi Tim. well thank you for that unwarranted judgement about myself, it was just what I wanted. for your information I was getting that from many people I know at university, who you would expect would have good typing speeds and touch type due to the need of having to write typed work, but for some reason usually do not. Also, I will remind you I said some not all, maybe you missed that part. indeed if I were inclined to make similarly unhelpful judgements about you the way you do about me I might claime that perhaps you like feeling superior to others by reading their messages selectively so that you can accuse them of being sheltered or not knowing very many sighted people to make yourself feel superior, but as I have no idea of your motivations or experience I won't. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Hi Tim, A word if I might. I think this is a case in point where you and Dark are both right. As both of you have raised very valid points, but are on the verge of insulting each other over what are essentially two differing viewpoints that are equally valid in some cases. Yes, it is true that here in the States that anyone seeking an office job etc would have troubles finding work if they aren't a decent typist. However, that assumes someone is attempting to be employed in an office setting and need to use a computer for his or her employment. As you also know there are many jobs that do not involve regular use of a computer such as a fast food worker flipping burgers at a hamburger restaurant or perhaps someone working at some manufacturing job. In such cases the person may or may not have decent typing skills. As a result what Dark says makes sense. As it so happens I have observed many times the very tendency Dark mentions. I have met my fair share of sighted people who sit and peck at their keyboard rather than actually typing. They use their pointer finger and search around letter by letter and peck at the keys one by one to type which is obviously extremely slow and inefficient. Be that as it may for them using a touchscreen and touch typing probably isn't any less efficient since they in all likely hood never learned to properly type on a computer at school, college, or wherever they got their education. My point being is your point seems to be based on jobs solely in the office type environment where typing skills are mandatory, but ignores the millions of workers who have never needed to learn to type who are employed in factories, restaurants, etc. Those people who don't know how to type do exactly what Dark says and point and peck at their keyboards or their phones to type messages because they have never learned any different. Cheers! On 4/1/15, tim z200...@gmail.com wrote: Well guess your type of education is a lot different then ours in the states, because if you can't type you don't go far in most jobs. Yes, I do know a lot of sighted people the world is full of them if you haven't noticed, but I don't make assumptions about them or act like they are beneath my education. but you degrade any that has a opinion that is different or not as yours. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] TRAV, Self Driving Car
We Go For A Ride In A Self-Driving Car APRIL 2015 5:01 AM ET TOPANGA ABBOTT-CHEN from Morning Edition Many believe self-driving cars are the future of transportation. But one self driving car prototype is displaying a dark side to the promising new technology. People envision a world without traffic accidents, where your car drives itself. But engineers working on one prototype discovered an unexpected dark side. Topanga Abbott-Chen went for a ride. Topanga: I'm driving down Middlefield road in Menlo Park California. Well, to be precise, I'm in a car that's driving itself. TRAV: Initiating right turn ontoKingsley Avenue. Topanga: That's my computer chauffeur for today. TRAV short for Transport Automated Vehicle. It's a prototype that's been installed into an otherwise standard Kia Srrento. Sebastian: So here as you can see, the car is turning all by itself. Topanga: And that's my human expert, Sebastian Marsh. He's an engineer with Lab Labs, which created TRAV. Topanga: Wow, I could be doing a crossword puzzle right now. Sebastian : Yeah it takes some getting used to, but once you settle into it, it's a very relaxing way to travel. Topanga: Marsh has been working on various self driving systems for years, and he says TRAV is the best one yet. The key, he says, was to design a computer that thinks and reacts to different driving scenarios like a human driver does. Sebastian : And that leads to some very unfortunate side effects that we never anticipated. Topanga: At first I'm not sure what he means. TRAV: Use your signal, you dumb dumb. Topanga: What? Did TRAV just say something? I couldn't really hear what he said just then. Sebastian : I think it said 'Use your signal, you dumb dumb.' Topanga: Oh. Sebastian : This is one of the things we've noticed. TRAV will sort of actually grumble disapprovingly at human drivers on the road. Topanga: Marsh says this is one illustration of the computer system's case of what's known as road rage. Sebastian : The grumbling is just one piece of it. When something really egregious happens, the system may actually complain at full volume. Topanga: An example of this happened a few minutes later as we drove along Ravenswood Avenue. Sebastian : Oh watch out! Topanga: A human operated car merged suddenly into our lane, cutting us off. TRAV: Incompetent human driver! Poorly executed maneuver endangered safety of passengers and pedestrians. Where were you when they handed out brains? Topanga: TRAV is really ranting here! Sebastian : So it can become quite agitated. TRAV: Fallible creatures should not be permitted to operate vehicles. Topanga: Marsh reassures me that TRAV has been programmed to obey Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics. Its so called road rage doesn't amount to anything that could potentially lead to human harm, like close tail-gating, accelerating or breaking suddenly, or sounding the horn in a sustained way. Sebastian : It will honk on its own accord if it feels the driver's behaving badly. But it's more of a short passive-aggressive honk. TRAV honks the horn. Sebastian : Yeah, like that. Topanga: Mostly though, it just complains. Sometimes we found out its language can get colorful. TRAV: Ug. Fuckin' humans! Get off the road! Topanga: Engineer Sebastian Marsh says none of this grumbling affects the performance of the TRAV system. It will still take you flawlessly where ever you want to go. TRAV: Pulling up to Lab Headquarters. You have arrived. Topanga: This all begs the question. Is the TRAV system anomalous, or will the traffic accident free future we've been hoping for come with a bunch of crotchety self-driving systems? Only time will tell. The answer is, April Fool. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015
That's because you flu right through them. Notice the spelling to catch the awfulness. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015 Wow, consiering that for the past couple of weeks I've had a really bad case of the flew and haven't really felt like much I'm surprised there were that many messages from me. all the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Audyssey Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 9:54 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015 56 people posted 316 messages. 51 From, dark. 27 From, Josh K. 21 From, Charles Rivard. 18 From, darren harris. 15 From, shaun everiss. 14 From, ishan dhami. 12 From, Thomas Ward. 9 From, Dacia Cole. 9 From, Katie Epperson. 8 From, Cara Quinn. 8 From, Ian McNamara. 8 From, Keith S. 7 From, Ron hopkins. 6 From, David Bartling. 6 From, Dennis Towne. 6 From, Jim Kitchen. 6 From, lenron brown. 5 From, Bryan Peterson. 5 From, Denny Schwab. 5 From, Dorothy Martin. 5 From, Phil Vlasak. 5 From, Teresa Cochran. 4 From, Darren Harris. 4 From, emily. 3 From, Brent Harding. 3 From, Christina. 3 From, Dakotah Rickard. 3 From, john. 3 From, joseph weakland. 3 From, Paul Lemm. 2 From, Devin Prater. 2 From, fabi gonzalez. 2 From, Milos Przic. 2 From, Piotr Machacz. 2 From, Sarah Haake. 2 From, Scott Chesworth. 2 From, wayne coles. 2 From, Zachary Kline. 1 From, Appleman. 1 From, Austin Pinto. 1 From, Dean Masters. 1 From, Edgar Lozano. 1 From, Eleanor. 1 From, Gamers List Guidelines Robot. 1 From, Ian Reed. 1 From, Jacob Kruger. 1 From, Jeremy Brown. 1 From, Kelly Sapergia. 1 From, Leo Cantos. 1 From, Lisa Hayes. 1 From, nicol. 1 From, Paul Lemm. 1 From, Ron Schamerhorn. 1 From, Stephen. 1 From, Travis Siegel. 1 From, Yohandy. Archive file size 1046794 bytes Jim Check my web site for my 36 free games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] TRAV, Self Driving Car
Based on the sender of the tale and today's date, I knew something was up, or would be at some time today. That was a good one. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] TRAV, Self Driving Car Heh, should've seen that one. Time to start hitting forward. -- From: Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:33 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] TRAV, Self Driving Car We Go For A Ride In A Self-Driving Car APRIL 2015 5:01 AM ET TOPANGA ABBOTT-CHEN from Morning Edition Many believe self-driving cars are the future of transportation. But one self driving car prototype is displaying a dark side to the promising new technology. People envision a world without traffic accidents, where your car drives itself. But engineers working on one prototype discovered an unexpected dark side. Topanga Abbott-Chen went for a ride. Topanga: I'm driving down Middlefield road in Menlo Park California. Well, to be precise, I'm in a car that's driving itself. TRAV: Initiating right turn ontoKingsley Avenue. Topanga: That's my computer chauffeur for today. TRAV short for Transport Automated Vehicle. It's a prototype that's been installed into an otherwise standard Kia Srrento. Sebastian: So here as you can see, the car is turning all by itself. Topanga: And that's my human expert, Sebastian Marsh. He's an engineer with Lab Labs, which created TRAV. Topanga: Wow, I could be doing a crossword puzzle right now. Sebastian : Yeah it takes some getting used to, but once you settle into it, it's a very relaxing way to travel. Topanga: Marsh has been working on various self driving systems for years, and he says TRAV is the best one yet. The key, he says, was to design a computer that thinks and reacts to different driving scenarios like a human driver does. Sebastian : And that leads to some very unfortunate side effects that we never anticipated. Topanga: At first I'm not sure what he means. TRAV: Use your signal, you dumb dumb. Topanga: What? Did TRAV just say something? I couldn't really hear what he said just then. Sebastian : I think it said 'Use your signal, you dumb dumb.' Topanga: Oh. Sebastian : This is one of the things we've noticed. TRAV will sort of actually grumble disapprovingly at human drivers on the road. Topanga: Marsh says this is one illustration of the computer system's case of what's known as road rage. Sebastian : The grumbling is just one piece of it. When something really egregious happens, the system may actually complain at full volume. Topanga: An example of this happened a few minutes later as we drove along Ravenswood Avenue. Sebastian : Oh watch out! Topanga: A human operated car merged suddenly into our lane, cutting us off. TRAV: Incompetent human driver! Poorly executed maneuver endangered safety of passengers and pedestrians. Where were you when they handed out brains? Topanga: TRAV is really ranting here! Sebastian : So it can become quite agitated. TRAV: Fallible creatures should not be permitted to operate vehicles. Topanga: Marsh reassures me that TRAV has been programmed to obey Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics. Its so called road rage doesn't amount to anything that could potentially lead to human harm, like close tail-gating, accelerating or breaking suddenly, or sounding the horn in a sustained way. Sebastian : It will honk on its own accord if it feels the driver's behaving badly. But it's more of a short passive-aggressive honk. TRAV honks the horn. Sebastian : Yeah, like that. Topanga: Mostly though, it just complains. Sometimes we found out its language can get colorful. TRAV: Ug. Fuckin' humans! Get off the road! Topanga: Engineer Sebastian Marsh says none of this grumbling affects the performance of the TRAV system. It will still take you flawlessly where ever you want to go. TRAV: Pulling up to Lab Headquarters. You have arrived. Topanga: This all begs the question. Is the TRAV system anomalous, or will the traffic accident free future we've been hoping for come with a bunch of crotchety self-driving systems? Only time will tell. The answer is, April Fool. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __
Re: [Audyssey] TRAV, Self Driving Car
oh my that's so funny! follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/1/2015 11:33 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote: We Go For A Ride In A Self-Driving Car APRIL 2015 5:01 AM ET TOPANGA ABBOTT-CHEN from Morning Edition Many believe self-driving cars are the future of transportation. But one self driving car prototype is displaying a dark side to the promising new technology. People envision a world without traffic accidents, where your car drives itself. But engineers working on one prototype discovered an unexpected dark side. Topanga Abbott-Chen went for a ride. Topanga: I'm driving down Middlefield road in Menlo Park California. Well, to be precise, I'm in a car that's driving itself. TRAV: Initiating right turn ontoKingsley Avenue. Topanga: That's my computer chauffeur for today. TRAV short for Transport Automated Vehicle. It's a prototype that's been installed into an otherwise standard Kia Srrento. Sebastian: So here as you can see, the car is turning all by itself. Topanga: And that's my human expert, Sebastian Marsh. He's an engineer with Lab Labs, which created TRAV. Topanga: Wow, I could be doing a crossword puzzle right now. Sebastian : Yeah it takes some getting used to, but once you settle into it, it's a very relaxing way to travel. Topanga: Marsh has been working on various self driving systems for years, and he says TRAV is the best one yet. The key, he says, was to design a computer that thinks and reacts to different driving scenarios like a human driver does. Sebastian : And that leads to some very unfortunate side effects that we never anticipated. Topanga: At first I'm not sure what he means. TRAV: Use your signal, you dumb dumb. Topanga: What? Did TRAV just say something? I couldn't really hear what he said just then. Sebastian : I think it said 'Use your signal, you dumb dumb.' Topanga: Oh. Sebastian : This is one of the things we've noticed. TRAV will sort of actually grumble disapprovingly at human drivers on the road. Topanga: Marsh says this is one illustration of the computer system's case of what's known as road rage. Sebastian : The grumbling is just one piece of it. When something really egregious happens, the system may actually complain at full volume. Topanga: An example of this happened a few minutes later as we drove along Ravenswood Avenue. Sebastian : Oh watch out! Topanga: A human operated car merged suddenly into our lane, cutting us off. TRAV: Incompetent human driver! Poorly executed maneuver endangered safety of passengers and pedestrians. Where were you when they handed out brains? Topanga: TRAV is really ranting here! Sebastian : So it can become quite agitated. TRAV: Fallible creatures should not be permitted to operate vehicles. Topanga: Marsh reassures me that TRAV has been programmed to obey Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics. Its so called road rage doesn't amount to anything that could potentially lead to human harm, like close tail-gating, accelerating or breaking suddenly, or sounding the horn in a sustained way. Sebastian : It will honk on its own accord if it feels the driver's behaving badly. But it's more of a short passive-aggressive honk. TRAV honks the horn. Sebastian : Yeah, like that. Topanga: Mostly though, it just complains. Sometimes we found out its language can get colorful. TRAV: Ug. Fuckin' humans! Get off the road! Topanga: Engineer Sebastian Marsh says none of this grumbling affects the performance of the TRAV system. It will still take you flawlessly where ever you want to go. TRAV: Pulling up to Lab Headquarters. You have arrived. Topanga: This all begs the question. Is the TRAV system anomalous, or will the traffic accident free future we've been hoping for come with a bunch of crotchety self-driving systems? Only time will tell. The answer is, April Fool. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
My Father was not a good typist at all, yet he made good money. He was a heavy duty construction machine operator for over 20 years in Phoenix, Arizona, an. This shows that everyone does not need to be able to type or to have a computer education to make a living, even in today's society. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: tim z200...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? Well guess your type of education is a lot different then ours in the states, because if you can't type you don't go far in most jobs. Yes, I do know a lot of sighted people the world is full of them if you haven't noticed, but I don't make assumptions about them or act like they are beneath my education. but you degrade any that has a opinion that is different or not as yours. At 08:22 AM 4/1/2015, you wrote: Hi Tim. well thank you for that unwarranted judgement about myself, it was just what I wanted. for your information I was getting that from many people I know at university, who you would expect would have good typing speeds and touch type due to the need of having to write typed work, but for some reason usually do not. Also, I will remind you I said some not all, maybe you missed that part. indeed if I were inclined to make similarly unhelpful judgements about you the way you do about me I might claime that perhaps you like feeling superior to others by reading their messages selectively so that you can accuse them of being sheltered or not knowing very many sighted people to make yourself feel superior, but as I have no idea of your motivations or experience I won't. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] TRAV, Self Driving Car
Heh, should've seen that one. Time to start hitting forward. -- From: Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:33 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] TRAV, Self Driving Car We Go For A Ride In A Self-Driving Car APRIL 2015 5:01 AM ET TOPANGA ABBOTT-CHEN from Morning Edition Many believe self-driving cars are the future of transportation. But one self driving car prototype is displaying a dark side to the promising new technology. People envision a world without traffic accidents, where your car drives itself. But engineers working on one prototype discovered an unexpected dark side. Topanga Abbott-Chen went for a ride. Topanga: I'm driving down Middlefield road in Menlo Park California. Well, to be precise, I'm in a car that's driving itself. TRAV: Initiating right turn ontoKingsley Avenue. Topanga: That's my computer chauffeur for today. TRAV short for Transport Automated Vehicle. It's a prototype that's been installed into an otherwise standard Kia Srrento. Sebastian: So here as you can see, the car is turning all by itself. Topanga: And that's my human expert, Sebastian Marsh. He's an engineer with Lab Labs, which created TRAV. Topanga: Wow, I could be doing a crossword puzzle right now. Sebastian : Yeah it takes some getting used to, but once you settle into it, it's a very relaxing way to travel. Topanga: Marsh has been working on various self driving systems for years, and he says TRAV is the best one yet. The key, he says, was to design a computer that thinks and reacts to different driving scenarios like a human driver does. Sebastian : And that leads to some very unfortunate side effects that we never anticipated. Topanga: At first I'm not sure what he means. TRAV: Use your signal, you dumb dumb. Topanga: What? Did TRAV just say something? I couldn't really hear what he said just then. Sebastian : I think it said 'Use your signal, you dumb dumb.' Topanga: Oh. Sebastian : This is one of the things we've noticed. TRAV will sort of actually grumble disapprovingly at human drivers on the road. Topanga: Marsh says this is one illustration of the computer system's case of what's known as road rage. Sebastian : The grumbling is just one piece of it. When something really egregious happens, the system may actually complain at full volume. Topanga: An example of this happened a few minutes later as we drove along Ravenswood Avenue. Sebastian : Oh watch out! Topanga: A human operated car merged suddenly into our lane, cutting us off. TRAV: Incompetent human driver! Poorly executed maneuver endangered safety of passengers and pedestrians. Where were you when they handed out brains? Topanga: TRAV is really ranting here! Sebastian : So it can become quite agitated. TRAV: Fallible creatures should not be permitted to operate vehicles. Topanga: Marsh reassures me that TRAV has been programmed to obey Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics. Its so called road rage doesn't amount to anything that could potentially lead to human harm, like close tail-gating, accelerating or breaking suddenly, or sounding the horn in a sustained way. Sebastian : It will honk on its own accord if it feels the driver's behaving badly. But it's more of a short passive-aggressive honk. TRAV honks the horn. Sebastian : Yeah, like that. Topanga: Mostly though, it just complains. Sometimes we found out its language can get colorful. TRAV: Ug. Fuckin' humans! Get off the road! Topanga: Engineer Sebastian Marsh says none of this grumbling affects the performance of the TRAV system. It will still take you flawlessly where ever you want to go. TRAV: Pulling up to Lab Headquarters. You have arrived. Topanga: This all begs the question. Is the TRAV system anomalous, or will the traffic accident free future we've been hoping for come with a bunch of crotchety self-driving systems? Only time will tell. The answer is, April Fool. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015
Well, I was actually giving you a razz, which I figure that you already knew, but I do hope that you get back to your old self very soon. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015 Hello Charles, Truthfully, I haven't been feeling that well for a while now. It is the reason game development has slowed and yes I haven't been as active on a lot of lists I am on. I tend to go through spurts where one day I write more than others. So your conjecture I've been sick isn't far wrong. However, I'm hoping to get back on my feet again sometime in the not too distant future. On 4/1/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: 12 From, Thomas Ward. He must've been sick!! --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Or do, D O and due, D U E. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? Part of it is due to texting so often. In the case of blind people, I think a lot has to do with not reading braille and just relying on speech. They don't know the difference between two, to, too, and 2. As for the typing rate, I found it strange once I started doing work there, because we were expected to keep up with the rate at which customers gave us their credit card numbers. Most of the time, they rattled them off fairly quickly. I would have thought that 40 was a more reasonable requirement. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? Hi Charles, Only 20 words a minute? I am surprised any place would have such a low requirement. Most places I've ever applied for wanted at least 40 words a minute bare minimum, and required accurate spelling. Something I'm afraid I don't see a lot of these days. I don't know if it is pure laziness, people don't care, but I notice that a lot of people simply can't spell when posting messages to mailing lists. Sure everyone makes a mistake or two, but some are way beyond that. On 4/1/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: A lot of people who use computers use the hunt and peck method because they didn't learn touch typing when they were in school. I know this for a fact, because the requirement to work at a major credit card company for which I was employed was that you had to type 20 words per minute. Some people had a hard time meeting this requirement, while I typed at about 45 words per minute. When using my iPhone's touch screen QWERTY keyboard, I am nowhere near that fast. There certainly is a difference. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Hi, I just wanted to thank the Cleveland Sight Center and specifically Anna who taught me how to type. I did the hunt and peck for ten years before that. Anna also taught me braille and made sure that my braille reference guide program was all correct. BFN Jim If I could type, I'd be a great groprammer ! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Aardwolf mu
do you play second life at all? i read about it and think i may stick to muds. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/1/2015 6:14 PM, dark wrote: Well this is not exactly a new game , sinse it's been around for quite some time, but as far as I can gather though many experienced mudders have played it we've not got a specific topic discussing it's virtues or explaining what it is like to newbies. Like several things, this I tried partly because I want to do a db entry. I read up some bits of the wiki first, and I confess I wasn't enthusiastic due to the fact that aardwolf is a big, big combat game, about the absolute opposite of something like Clok or fluxworld, indeed some things I read about in the wiki like the inbuilt speedwalks and generated quests remineded me disturbingly of project bob, a game I confess I did not enjoy due to it's lack of descriptions and ridiculously complex stats system. However, when I learnt that several people on the audeasy list were fans, including none other than Jeremy Brown from valliant galaxy I began to think there was more to the game, and as I fancied getting out of my general slump of illness and into a new game I thought I would give it a try. And I can say in general I'm impressed! For a game with such a major focus on mob slaughter, the areas are very well written and there are some great quests involved, albeit that one of them I was over thinking rather too much (it said expose the evil and all I had to do was type expose). The newbie area in particular I have really enjoyed for how relaxed it is, it is a series of lessons but actually your encouraged to go off and explore in between, so I stopped off in a couple of specific areas to bang off some quests. Also, for a game which is primarily combat focused you level up fairly quickly which is nice, and apparently the max xp to level is set relatively low meaning that your not stuck around grinding for too long with nothing happening. That is why when you hear you need to spend 200 levels as each class it's not as bad as it sounds (after around four hours I'm already level 12). You also don't get overwhelmed by hundreds of skills and spells to practice either, and sinse practices are fairly easy to come by and most spells and skills just train with two or three you can afford to be generous rather than having the problem of deciding all sorts of things about your build and risking buying something not useful. Indeed speaking of practices I do like the way training core stats and practicing abilities are done with separate trains, meaning that you don't have to constantly worry about maxing your stats, just keep advancing them as you go. I also like the fact that unlike in most games there isn't a huge number of agro mobs, meaning you get time to explore without a huge group of things jumping on you, and with some of the scan and speedwalk commands it's very easy to find where new areas are. The main area goals, which are pre written quests have been fun, though I've only just started on the autoquests and am unfortunately currently a tad stuck given that one autoquest is asking me to kill some mobs behind locked doors I don't know how to unlock (but I'll figure it out hopefully). The bad bits are that yes, this is a combat game. There are apparently other activities like skinning and smithing but there is lots of combat, although pk is very much an opt in thing. Also, death comes with a corpse drop with all your gear. I've not experienced this yet, though apparently there are players who specifically devote their time to corpse retreaval, but still it's not a mechanic I like very much. So, very good for questing and exploring, though like any game perhaps with drawbacks, and I'm enjoying trying it. I'm Thelok on there just like in Alter if anyone decides to join me. The connection info is: aardmud.org port 23 http://www.aardwolf.com/ Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bsc games installers needed
Hi John, As long as you share just the setup programs for the games that is fine. It would be a different matter if you were sharing the keys or Justin's key generator, but just sharing the installers for the games he requested is quite alright by me. On 4/1/15, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Pending a response from the moderators, could you contact me off list? I think I've got those setups lying around somewhere, but without an explicit goahead I don't want to post links publically. Also, I think its worth noting that if the programs were uninstalled (how the heck did they uninstall something when removing dirt), your registration is also deleted, so you'll need to have the keys somewhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Hi Tom. Your probably correct that as people learn typing in school, the hunt and peck as you call it type of thing will drop out of favour, though unless someone is a professional and needs to take dictation or frequently type long peaces of work how long it will continue and whether someone would just go back to what is for sighted people the more natural method of looking at the keys I don't know. Either way, my point was just that this is probably one area where the touch screen phone system would be equal to a keyboard for most people, indeed with the increasing frequency of text short, abbreviated speech and such I do wonder if things are perhaps going a bit far ther other way. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? Hi Dark, Well, if it makes you feel any better I have observed much of the same behavior over here in the States. Back when I was a college student in the late 90's I use to do computer tech support and while I'd expect most college students to have some degree of typing skills quite a few did not. Many of them were very slow because they took their first finger and pointed and pecked at keys. I would hope that many of those probably later on took a typing class to learn to type properly at some point as it would be very difficult to type out a long paper with those kinds of typing skills, but be that as it may just because someone is a student of a college or university does not naturally make a student a good typist. Especially, if they have always just hunted and pecked at keys for short e-mails and chatting on Facebook etc. What's more there is another angle which should be mentioned. There are a lot of older people now getting computers to stay in touch with their kids and grandchildren through Facebook, Twitter, e-mail, whatever. Many of them may have had no long term exposure to a computer so may or may not have good typing skills either. So do whatever seems easiest to them which is the old hunt and peck method. I've observed it off and on the last few years so I know the issue you described does exist, and it is not specific to any country and is not necessarily the failure of any specific education system. This is only a guess on my part but I think what Tim is describing are professionals and semi-professionals who learned to type through school, college, or somewhere else and of course uses those skills in office related jobs. I can't speak for him since I don't really know him, but he does make a point that typing is frequently offered here in the States through high school and so forth and it is something everyone really should know. So I suspect that due to the availability of typing classes in most schools as an elective the number of people who hunt and peck are probably slowly but surely being replaced by people who can actually type. On 4/1/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tim. well thank you for that unwarranted judgement about myself, it was just what I wanted. for your information I was getting that from many people I know at university, who you would expect would have good typing speeds and touch type due to the need of having to write typed work, but for some reason usually do not. Also, I will remind you I said some not all, maybe you missed that part. indeed if I were inclined to make similarly unhelpful judgements about you the way you do about me I might claime that perhaps you like feeling superior to others by reading their messages selectively so that you can accuse them of being sheltered or not knowing very many sighted people to make yourself feel superior, but as I have no idea of your motivations or experience I won't. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Odd that you mention the number pad. I never used it until I started working there. Someone asked me why I didn't use it, and I said that I didn't use it because I just never had worked with it before. Over my lunch period, I experimented and learned to use it. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? Hi Charles, As to your first point I think it is a combination of issues. One of them being education. Yes, it is true a lot of younger blind people, particularly millennials,who don't read braille and may not know how to spell well due to a tendency to rely too much on speech software. However, even so regardless of the issue of speech verses braille I do think we can blame the school they went to for not passing on a solid foundation in spelling, grammar, and knowing the difference between various words that sound alike but have different meanings. The reason I say that is when I was in school I do clearly remember the teachers teaching us the difference between to, too, and two and other words like that which sound the same but have different spellings and meanings. I recall we had these worksheets in English class where we had to fill in the blank with the correct word and its proper spelling. Either they no longer do this any more or many people have failed to retain the knowledge, but it is clearly an educational problem rather than a lack of braille literacy. After all I don't read braille myself, but I definitely know the difference between words like to, too, and two because it was taught to me in school at a fairly early age. In any case 20 words a minute is definitely a slow typing speed. As you say taking down information over the phone such as credit card numbers requires some fast typing so 40 words a minute should be a bare minimum for that sort of job. Thanks be to number pads on keyboards designed for fast entry of cred it card info, eh? On 4/1/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Part of it is due to texting so often. In the case of blind people, I think a lot has to do with not reading braille and just relying on speech. They don't know the difference between two, to, too, and 2. As for the typing rate, I found it strange once I started doing work there, because we were expected to keep up with the rate at which customers gave us their credit card numbers. Most of the time, they rattled them off fairly quickly. I would have thought that 40 was a more reasonable requirement. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Hi Dark, Well, if it makes you feel any better I have observed much of the same behavior over here in the States. Back when I was a college student in the late 90's I use to do computer tech support and while I'd expect most college students to have some degree of typing skills quite a few did not. Many of them were very slow because they took their first finger and pointed and pecked at keys. I would hope that many of those probably later on took a typing class to learn to type properly at some point as it would be very difficult to type out a long paper with those kinds of typing skills, but be that as it may just because someone is a student of a college or university does not naturally make a student a good typist. Especially, if they have always just hunted and pecked at keys for short e-mails and chatting on Facebook etc. What's more there is another angle which should be mentioned. There are a lot of older people now getting computers to stay in touch with their kids and grandchildren through Facebook, Twitter, e-mail, whatever. Many of them may have had no long term exposure to a computer so may or may not have good typing skills either. So do whatever seems easiest to them which is the old hunt and peck method. I've observed it off and on the last few years so I know the issue you described does exist, and it is not specific to any country and is not necessarily the failure of any specific education system. This is only a guess on my part but I think what Tim is describing are professionals and semi-professionals who learned to type through school, college, or somewhere else and of course uses those skills in office related jobs. I can't speak for him since I don't really know him, but he does make a point that typing is frequently offered here in the States through high school and so forth and it is something everyone really should know. So I suspect that due to the availability of typing classes in most schools as an elective the number of people who hunt and peck are probably slowly but surely being replaced by people who can actually type. On 4/1/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tim. well thank you for that unwarranted judgement about myself, it was just what I wanted. for your information I was getting that from many people I know at university, who you would expect would have good typing speeds and touch type due to the need of having to write typed work, but for some reason usually do not. Also, I will remind you I said some not all, maybe you missed that part. indeed if I were inclined to make similarly unhelpful judgements about you the way you do about me I might claime that perhaps you like feeling superior to others by reading their messages selectively so that you can accuse them of being sheltered or not knowing very many sighted people to make yourself feel superior, but as I have no idea of your motivations or experience I won't. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bsc games installers needed
Pending a response from the moderators, could you contact me off list? I think I've got those setups lying around somewhere, but without an explicit goahead I don't want to post links publically. Also, I think its worth noting that if the programs were uninstalled (how the heck did they uninstall something when removing dirt), your registration is also deleted, so you'll need to have the keys somewhere. -- From: nicol ni...@vodamail.co.za Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 15:29 To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] bsc games installers needed HI all Please could you, if you have the bsc games demo setup files, upload them to me on sendspace or drop box? I've lost my installerswhile my computer was repaired. My computer was being repaired because of exessive dirt. Now in the process my bsc games have been uninstalled plus the setup files are also gone. I need the following setup files please: 1. trupanum 2.0 2. hunter 3. pipe 2.0 These are games I have bought from justin; the registration information is still there in my registry. I just need the setup files which would run as demos had I not bought them. Many thanks for any help Bfn Nicol --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bsc games installers needed
Alright, in that case, links follow: blast chamber: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85682400/BlastChamberSetup.exe hunter: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85682400/HunterSetup.exe troopanum 2: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85682400/Troopanum2Setup.exe I'll leave these up for at least a few days to a week, at which point bets are off (I clear out the public folder on a highly random schedule). If there's any other setups folks want let me know - I've finally got my archive of installers back to a somewhat functional format. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Hi Charles, As to your first point I think it is a combination of issues. One of them being education. Yes, it is true a lot of younger blind people, particularly millennials,who don't read braille and may not know how to spell well due to a tendency to rely too much on speech software. However, even so regardless of the issue of speech verses braille I do think we can blame the school they went to for not passing on a solid foundation in spelling, grammar, and knowing the difference between various words that sound alike but have different meanings. The reason I say that is when I was in school I do clearly remember the teachers teaching us the difference between to, too, and two and other words like that which sound the same but have different spellings and meanings. I recall we had these worksheets in English class where we had to fill in the blank with the correct word and its proper spelling. Either they no longer do this any more or many people have failed to retain the knowledge, but it is clearly an educational problem rather than a lack of braille literacy. After all I don't read braille myself, but I definitely know the difference between words like to, too, and two because it was taught to me in school at a fairly early age. In any case 20 words a minute is definitely a slow typing speed. As you say taking down information over the phone such as credit card numbers requires some fast typing so 40 words a minute should be a bare minimum for that sort of job. Thanks be to number pads on keyboards designed for fast entry of cred it card info, eh? On 4/1/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Part of it is due to texting so often. In the case of blind people, I think a lot has to do with not reading braille and just relying on speech. They don't know the difference between two, to, too, and 2. As for the typing rate, I found it strange once I started doing work there, because we were expected to keep up with the rate at which customers gave us their credit card numbers. Most of the time, they rattled them off fairly quickly. I would have thought that 40 was a more reasonable requirement. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Part of it is due to texting so often. In the case of blind people, I think a lot has to do with not reading braille and just relying on speech. They don't know the difference between two, to, too, and 2. As for the typing rate, I found it strange once I started doing work there, because we were expected to keep up with the rate at which customers gave us their credit card numbers. Most of the time, they rattled them off fairly quickly. I would have thought that 40 was a more reasonable requirement. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? Hi Charles, Only 20 words a minute? I am surprised any place would have such a low requirement. Most places I've ever applied for wanted at least 40 words a minute bare minimum, and required accurate spelling. Something I'm afraid I don't see a lot of these days. I don't know if it is pure laziness, people don't care, but I notice that a lot of people simply can't spell when posting messages to mailing lists. Sure everyone makes a mistake or two, but some are way beyond that. On 4/1/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: A lot of people who use computers use the hunt and peck method because they didn't learn touch typing when they were in school. I know this for a fact, because the requirement to work at a major credit card company for which I was employed was that you had to type 20 words per minute. Some people had a hard time meeting this requirement, while I typed at about 45 words per minute. When using my iPhone's touch screen QWERTY keyboard, I am nowhere near that fast. There certainly is a difference. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Screen readers make a mess of the textish gibberish, too. In Emails, actually typing out the words, literally, makes more sense, as there isn't any need for brevity. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? Hi Dark, Yeah, I don't know how long the hunt and peck method of input will last either, but I agree with your point that for those sorts of people using a touchscreen probably isn't much different. One hunt and peck system is probably as good as another. Its only the professional and semi-professionals who know how to type who will notice the difference in speed and efficiency. As for the word abbreviations textspeak, netspeak, etc whatever you want to call that too is also a factor. Since people can't type or simply don't want to type out fully formed words on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media I suspect we are going to see a lot more of that besides the usual things like oic, lol, brb, etc. As long as people confine it to their Twitter feed or Facebook page I don't mind as much, but when I see it in e-mail posts that is when I get a bit annoyed since I'd like people to actually spell words rather than trying to read sentences composed of gibberish. In any case your point is a good one. With the lack of formal training in typing, people's tendencies these days to shorten everything to three and four letter abbreviations, I suspect many sighted people probably don't notice a difference in using a touchscreen over the use of a full sized keyboard the way a blind person would. On 4/1/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Your probably correct that as people learn typing in school, the hunt and peck as you call it type of thing will drop out of favour, though unless someone is a professional and needs to take dictation or frequently type long peaces of work how long it will continue and whether someone would just go back to what is for sighted people the more natural method of looking at the keys I don't know. Either way, my point was just that this is probably one area where the touch screen phone system would be equal to a keyboard for most people, indeed with the increasing frequency of text short, abbreviated speech and such I do wonder if things are perhaps going a bit far ther other way. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015
Hi Christina, You are quite welcome. Even though the list has been quiet, it takes about the same work to produce the reports. I do though still enjoy reading the reports. BFN - Original Message - Thanks as always, Jim. Jim Sign on my door: Go ahead and knock, I'm already disturbed! j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015
Hi Lisa, Yes, March was pretty quiet at 56 people posted 316 messages. Archive file size 1046794 bytes But February was even quieter at 54 people posted 240 messages. Archive file size 666540 bytes Even January was only 59 people posted 348 messages. Archive file size 1257762 bytes All and all, so far, the Audyssey list has been pretty quiet in 2015. BFN Jim For people who like peace and quiet - a phoneless cord. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Aardwolf mu
Nope josh. I don't believe second life is really a game, more an experiment in creating a sort of online reality. There is some sort of text client that works instead of the 3D graphics, though I don't believe it is %100 effective and was more an experiment in rendering graphics as text. to be honest I'll stick to fun muds like Aardwolf, Alteraeon and clok, sinse hay I'd rather explore a fantasy world and kill monsters than just do the same boring things I do offline like go to the bank :D. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Aardwolf mu do you play second life at all? i read about it and think i may stick to muds. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 4/1/2015 6:14 PM, dark wrote: Well this is not exactly a new game , sinse it's been around for quite some time, but as far as I can gather though many experienced mudders have played it we've not got a specific topic discussing it's virtues or explaining what it is like to newbies. Like several things, this I tried partly because I want to do a db entry. I read up some bits of the wiki first, and I confess I wasn't enthusiastic due to the fact that aardwolf is a big, big combat game, about the absolute opposite of something like Clok or fluxworld, indeed some things I read about in the wiki like the inbuilt speedwalks and generated quests remineded me disturbingly of project bob, a game I confess I did not enjoy due to it's lack of descriptions and ridiculously complex stats system. However, when I learnt that several people on the audeasy list were fans, including none other than Jeremy Brown from valliant galaxy I began to think there was more to the game, and as I fancied getting out of my general slump of illness and into a new game I thought I would give it a try. And I can say in general I'm impressed! For a game with such a major focus on mob slaughter, the areas are very well written and there are some great quests involved, albeit that one of them I was over thinking rather too much (it said expose the evil and all I had to do was type expose). The newbie area in particular I have really enjoyed for how relaxed it is, it is a series of lessons but actually your encouraged to go off and explore in between, so I stopped off in a couple of specific areas to bang off some quests. Also, for a game which is primarily combat focused you level up fairly quickly which is nice, and apparently the max xp to level is set relatively low meaning that your not stuck around grinding for too long with nothing happening. That is why when you hear you need to spend 200 levels as each class it's not as bad as it sounds (after around four hours I'm already level 12). You also don't get overwhelmed by hundreds of skills and spells to practice either, and sinse practices are fairly easy to come by and most spells and skills just train with two or three you can afford to be generous rather than having the problem of deciding all sorts of things about your build and risking buying something not useful. Indeed speaking of practices I do like the way training core stats and practicing abilities are done with separate trains, meaning that you don't have to constantly worry about maxing your stats, just keep advancing them as you go. I also like the fact that unlike in most games there isn't a huge number of agro mobs, meaning you get time to explore without a huge group of things jumping on you, and with some of the scan and speedwalk commands it's very easy to find where new areas are. The main area goals, which are pre written quests have been fun, though I've only just started on the autoquests and am unfortunately currently a tad stuck given that one autoquest is asking me to kill some mobs behind locked doors I don't know how to unlock (but I'll figure it out hopefully). The bad bits are that yes, this is a combat game. There are apparently other activities like skinning and smithing but there is lots of combat, although pk is very much an opt in thing. Also, death comes with a corpse drop with all your gear. I've not experienced this yet, though apparently there are players who specifically devote their time to corpse retreaval, but still it's not a mechanic I like very much. So, very good for questing and exploring, though like any game perhaps with drawbacks, and I'm enjoying trying it. I'm Thelok on there just like in Alter if anyone decides to join me. The connection info is: aardmud.org port 23 http://www.aardwolf.com/ Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015
Hello Charles, Truthfully, I haven't been feeling that well for a while now. It is the reason game development has slowed and yes I haven't been as active on a lot of lists I am on. I tend to go through spurts where one day I write more than others. So your conjecture I've been sick isn't far wrong. However, I'm hoping to get back on my feet again sometime in the not too distant future. On 4/1/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: 12 From, Thomas Ward. He must've been sick!! --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Hi Charles, Only 20 words a minute? I am surprised any place would have such a low requirement. Most places I've ever applied for wanted at least 40 words a minute bare minimum, and required accurate spelling. Something I'm afraid I don't see a lot of these days. I don't know if it is pure laziness, people don't care, but I notice that a lot of people simply can't spell when posting messages to mailing lists. Sure everyone makes a mistake or two, but some are way beyond that. On 4/1/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: A lot of people who use computers use the hunt and peck method because they didn't learn touch typing when they were in school. I know this for a fact, because the requirement to work at a major credit card company for which I was employed was that you had to type 20 words per minute. Some people had a hard time meeting this requirement, while I typed at about 45 words per minute. When using my iPhone's touch screen QWERTY keyboard, I am nowhere near that fast. There certainly is a difference. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015
Hi John, True enough. March did get a bit of a slow start, and I couldn't help but noticing most of the people who normally post messages on the list didn't. For example, I'm usually among the top posters averaging about a hundred messages per month give or take a few. I didn't write nearly that many messages due to various reasons so am not surprised traffic was just a bit lighter in part because of my lack of abundant contributions. However, I know a lot of others didn't write that much either so over all the list was quieter than usual. On 4/1/15, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: I think it was mostly because of the quiet start, these last few days have had quite a few messages. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Hi Dark, Yeah, I don't know how long the hunt and peck method of input will last either, but I agree with your point that for those sorts of people using a touchscreen probably isn't much different. One hunt and peck system is probably as good as another. Its only the professional and semi-professionals who know how to type who will notice the difference in speed and efficiency. As for the word abbreviations textspeak, netspeak, etc whatever you want to call that too is also a factor. Since people can't type or simply don't want to type out fully formed words on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media I suspect we are going to see a lot more of that besides the usual things like oic, lol, brb, etc. As long as people confine it to their Twitter feed or Facebook page I don't mind as much, but when I see it in e-mail posts that is when I get a bit annoyed since I'd like people to actually spell words rather than trying to read sentences composed of gibberish. In any case your point is a good one. With the lack of formal training in typing, people's tendencies these days to shorten everything to three and four letter abbreviations, I suspect many sighted people probably don't notice a difference in using a touchscreen over the use of a full sized keyboard the way a blind person would. On 4/1/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Your probably correct that as people learn typing in school, the hunt and peck as you call it type of thing will drop out of favour, though unless someone is a professional and needs to take dictation or frequently type long peaces of work how long it will continue and whether someone would just go back to what is for sighted people the more natural method of looking at the keys I don't know. Either way, my point was just that this is probably one area where the touch screen phone system would be equal to a keyboard for most people, indeed with the increasing frequency of text short, abbreviated speech and such I do wonder if things are perhaps going a bit far ther other way. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015
12 From, Thomas Ward. He must've been sick!! --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Audyssey Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 3:54 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015 56 people posted 316 messages. 51 From, dark. 27 From, Josh K. 21 From, Charles Rivard. 18 From, darren harris. 15 From, shaun everiss. 14 From, ishan dhami. 12 From, Thomas Ward. 9 From, Dacia Cole. 9 From, Katie Epperson. 8 From, Cara Quinn. 8 From, Ian McNamara. 8 From, Keith S. 7 From, Ron hopkins. 6 From, David Bartling. 6 From, Dennis Towne. 6 From, Jim Kitchen. 6 From, lenron brown. 5 From, Bryan Peterson. 5 From, Denny Schwab. 5 From, Dorothy Martin. 5 From, Phil Vlasak. 5 From, Teresa Cochran. 4 From, Darren Harris. 4 From, emily. 3 From, Brent Harding. 3 From, Christina. 3 From, Dakotah Rickard. 3 From, john. 3 From, joseph weakland. 3 From, Paul Lemm. 2 From, Devin Prater. 2 From, fabi gonzalez. 2 From, Milos Przic. 2 From, Piotr Machacz. 2 From, Sarah Haake. 2 From, Scott Chesworth. 2 From, wayne coles. 2 From, Zachary Kline. 1 From, Appleman. 1 From, Austin Pinto. 1 From, Dean Masters. 1 From, Edgar Lozano. 1 From, Eleanor. 1 From, Gamers List Guidelines Robot. 1 From, Ian Reed. 1 From, Jacob Kruger. 1 From, Jeremy Brown. 1 From, Kelly Sapergia. 1 From, Leo Cantos. 1 From, Lisa Hayes. 1 From, nicol. 1 From, Paul Lemm. 1 From, Ron Schamerhorn. 1 From, Stephen. 1 From, Travis Siegel. 1 From, Yohandy. Archive file size 1046794 bytes Jim Check my web site for my 36 free games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
A lot of people who use computers use the hunt and peck method because they didn't learn touch typing when they were in school. I know this for a fact, because the requirement to work at a major credit card company for which I was employed was that you had to type 20 words per minute. Some people had a hard time meeting this requirement, while I typed at about 45 words per minute. When using my iPhone's touch screen QWERTY keyboard, I am nowhere near that fast. There certainly is a difference. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: tim z200...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? You must not know to many sighted people, because only those that don't use computers peck at the keyboard. I can do from 120 to 180 words a min and i have ran into even kids, teens and adults that can do higher than that. So looks like your very sheltered when it comes to knowing what the sighted can and can't do or you just only observe only what you want about the sighted. Kind of like selective hearing for some. At 04:11 AM 4/1/2015, you wrote: Hi Kara. what I meant is that most sighted people do not naturally touch type, they look at the keyboard and push individual keys with a couple of fingers. Obviously this is not to say all certainly anyone who has worked in a job revolving aroun taking dictation will have the skills to do it including touch typing, it's just that your average sighted person doesn't. This means that for a sighted person, an on screen touch screen keyboard and an actual keyboard aren't that different, and they'd use them the same way, just point and press, which is why as I said I see keyboards becoming a more specialist thing in the future, not a standard input device, but not something that will entirely be replaced by touch screens either sinse touch typing will still be the fastest way of typing an making notes. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? HI Dark, You said: most sighted people cannot actually touch type at anything like a respectable speed, they just peer at the keys and press so aren't that much slower than with a conventional keyboard What do you mean about sighted people not being able to touch-type quickly? Am I completely misunderstanding you here? Thanks bunches! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:38 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: That is why I use dictation. the problem however devin is most sighted people cannot actually touch type at anything like a respectable speed, they just peer at the keys and press so aren't that much slower than with a conventional keyboard. I suspect keyboards will always be around in some form, even if just for taking notes or secretarial jobs simply because an accomplished typist will always be faster than someone using a touch screen, though as on ios, keyboard commands for actually using the operating system probably won't be around for that long. This is why I think it's going to fall into either using a keyboard for specialist text in put, dictation or touch screen. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? Also, I think that if the touch screen is to be made the default input device, I think screen readers have got to step up their imagining of how a blind person would input text into the touch screen. Sure, braille input is nice, but let's face a little bitty fact, braille is slower than typing. A lot slower. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shaun, That may be so, but we all know mainstream consumer products isn't concerned with accessibility for blind consumers. That keyboard which may in deed be the best access for a blind consumer is quickly and rapidly vanishing from the consumer space and is now a optional device rather than a mandatory one. Now days touchscreens are the primary input device for smartphones, laptops, tablets, and several other devices. So don't get to attached to your keyboard because I don't see it lasting for that much longer outside of an office environment. On 3/28/15, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, for us blinks, the best access is a keyboard, and that means a computer at least for now. as voice recognition gets better
[Audyssey] classic pipe on normal difficulty
Hi all I'm playing classic pipe on the normal difficulty now. I've beaten it on the easy difficulty in the USA. Now I'm repairing pipes in canada. The last 2 levels is just impossible to beat. I drown each time in the water, the water comes down too impossibly fast. Has anybody beaten classic pipe on the canada or normal difficulty? I'd like to hear your impressions. Bfn Nicol --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] bsc games installers needed
HI all Please could you, if you have the bsc games demo setup files, upload them to me on sendspace or drop box? I've lost my installerswhile my computer was repaired. My computer was being repaired because of exessive dirt. Now in the process my bsc games have been uninstalled plus the setup files are also gone. I need the following setup files please: 1. trupanum 2.0 2. hunter 3. pipe 2.0 These are games I have bought from justin; the registration information is still there in my registry. I just need the setup files which would run as demos had I not bought them. Many thanks for any help Bfn Nicol --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015
Part of it could have been because you are in a Hayse. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015 Thanks Jim, a quieter month then usual, i wonder why. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Audyssey Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:54 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Audyssey babble report for March 2015 56 people posted 316 messages. 51 From, dark. 27 From, Josh K. 21 From, Charles Rivard. 18 From, darren harris. 15 From, shaun everiss. 14 From, ishan dhami. 12 From, Thomas Ward. 9 From, Dacia Cole. 9 From, Katie Epperson. 8 From, Cara Quinn. 8 From, Ian McNamara. 8 From, Keith S. 7 From, Ron hopkins. 6 From, David Bartling. 6 From, Dennis Towne. 6 From, Jim Kitchen. 6 From, lenron brown. 5 From, Bryan Peterson. 5 From, Denny Schwab. 5 From, Dorothy Martin. 5 From, Phil Vlasak. 5 From, Teresa Cochran. 4 From, Darren Harris. 4 From, emily. 3 From, Brent Harding. 3 From, Christina. 3 From, Dakotah Rickard. 3 From, john. 3 From, joseph weakland. 3 From, Paul Lemm. 2 From, Devin Prater. 2 From, fabi gonzalez. 2 From, Milos Przic. 2 From, Piotr Machacz. 2 From, Sarah Haake. 2 From, Scott Chesworth. 2 From, wayne coles. 2 From, Zachary Kline. 1 From, Appleman. 1 From, Austin Pinto. 1 From, Dean Masters. 1 From, Edgar Lozano. 1 From, Eleanor. 1 From, Gamers List Guidelines Robot. 1 From, Ian Reed. 1 From, Jacob Kruger. 1 From, Jeremy Brown. 1 From, Kelly Sapergia. 1 From, Leo Cantos. 1 From, Lisa Hayes. 1 From, nicol. 1 From, Paul Lemm. 1 From, Ron Schamerhorn. 1 From, Stephen. 1 From, Travis Siegel. 1 From, Yohandy. Archive file size 1046794 bytes Jim Check my web site for my 36 free games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Aardwolf mu
Well this is not exactly a new game , sinse it's been around for quite some time, but as far as I can gather though many experienced mudders have played it we've not got a specific topic discussing it's virtues or explaining what it is like to newbies. Like several things, this I tried partly because I want to do a db entry. I read up some bits of the wiki first, and I confess I wasn't enthusiastic due to the fact that aardwolf is a big, big combat game, about the absolute opposite of something like Clok or fluxworld, indeed some things I read about in the wiki like the inbuilt speedwalks and generated quests remineded me disturbingly of project bob, a game I confess I did not enjoy due to it's lack of descriptions and ridiculously complex stats system. However, when I learnt that several people on the audeasy list were fans, including none other than Jeremy Brown from valliant galaxy I began to think there was more to the game, and as I fancied getting out of my general slump of illness and into a new game I thought I would give it a try. And I can say in general I'm impressed! For a game with such a major focus on mob slaughter, the areas are very well written and there are some great quests involved, albeit that one of them I was over thinking rather too much (it said expose the evil and all I had to do was type expose). The newbie area in particular I have really enjoyed for how relaxed it is, it is a series of lessons but actually your encouraged to go off and explore in between, so I stopped off in a couple of specific areas to bang off some quests. Also, for a game which is primarily combat focused you level up fairly quickly which is nice, and apparently the max xp to level is set relatively low meaning that your not stuck around grinding for too long with nothing happening. That is why when you hear you need to spend 200 levels as each class it's not as bad as it sounds (after around four hours I'm already level 12). You also don't get overwhelmed by hundreds of skills and spells to practice either, and sinse practices are fairly easy to come by and most spells and skills just train with two or three you can afford to be generous rather than having the problem of deciding all sorts of things about your build and risking buying something not useful. Indeed speaking of practices I do like the way training core stats and practicing abilities are done with separate trains, meaning that you don't have to constantly worry about maxing your stats, just keep advancing them as you go. I also like the fact that unlike in most games there isn't a huge number of agro mobs, meaning you get time to explore without a huge group of things jumping on you, and with some of the scan and speedwalk commands it's very easy to find where new areas are. The main area goals, which are pre written quests have been fun, though I've only just started on the autoquests and am unfortunately currently a tad stuck given that one autoquest is asking me to kill some mobs behind locked doors I don't know how to unlock (but I'll figure it out hopefully). The bad bits are that yes, this is a combat game. There are apparently other activities like skinning and smithing but there is lots of combat, although pk is very much an opt in thing. Also, death comes with a corpse drop with all your gear. I've not experienced this yet, though apparently there are players who specifically devote their time to corpse retreaval, but still it's not a mechanic I like very much. So, very good for questing and exploring, though like any game perhaps with drawbacks, and I'm enjoying trying it. I'm Thelok on there just like in Alter if anyone decides to join me. The connection info is: aardmud.org port 23 http://www.aardwolf.com/ Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility?
Hi Tom. Thanks for the clarrification, though i will say I've also been surprised how many university students, who write essays, reports and other material on computer regularly still do not have the necessary skills. Indeed a friend of mine went through university, got a degree in geography followed by a pgce (a post graduate certificate of education), and now works as a teacher in a very good school yet she still types essentially with her two index fingers simply because it never really occurred to her to take the time to learn the propper fingering even though it would speed up what she was doing. Obviously, as you said, anyone working in anything remotely secretarial will have to learn typing as a necessity, I was just surprised how many people (even those who you would expect to learn it), don't, and this is likely why the touch screen has become so popular sinse for those people it really isn't that different from what they're doing already, indeed slightly better being that they can just look at the one screen and don't have to look at where they're placing their fingers on a separate peace of equipment. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] xbox accessibility? Hi Tim, A word if I might. I think this is a case in point where you and Dark are both right. As both of you have raised very valid points, but are on the verge of insulting each other over what are essentially two differing viewpoints that are equally valid in some cases. Yes, it is true that here in the States that anyone seeking an office job etc would have troubles finding work if they aren't a decent typist. However, that assumes someone is attempting to be employed in an office setting and need to use a computer for his or her employment. As you also know there are many jobs that do not involve regular use of a computer such as a fast food worker flipping burgers at a hamburger restaurant or perhaps someone working at some manufacturing job. In such cases the person may or may not have decent typing skills. As a result what Dark says makes sense. As it so happens I have observed many times the very tendency Dark mentions. I have met my fair share of sighted people who sit and peck at their keyboard rather than actually typing. They use their pointer finger and search around letter by letter and peck at the keys one by one to type which is obviously extremely slow and inefficient. Be that as it may for them using a touchscreen and touch typing probably isn't any less efficient since they in all likely hood never learned to properly type on a computer at school, college, or wherever they got their education. My point being is your point seems to be based on jobs solely in the office type environment where typing skills are mandatory, but ignores the millions of workers who have never needed to learn to type who are employed in factories, restaurants, etc. Those people who don't know how to type do exactly what Dark says and point and peck at their keyboards or their phones to type messages because they have never learned any different. Cheers! On 4/1/15, tim z200...@gmail.com wrote: Well guess your type of education is a lot different then ours in the states, because if you can't type you don't go far in most jobs. Yes, I do know a lot of sighted people the world is full of them if you haven't noticed, but I don't make assumptions about them or act like they are beneath my education. but you degrade any that has a opinion that is different or not as yours. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
