Re: [lace] Re: [lace-chat] 2004 commeratives
Thank you. Are the commeratives the three bobbins on that page? Ann-Marie http://community.webshots.com/user/annma1 Hi, I had trouble finding Jo Anne's site using the addy given, I found this one worked for me http://members.aol.com/jspruitt/ anyone wanting to see the completed mat can see it here too, jenny barron Scotland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Mark/Tatman's website
Mark still has his website in cyberspace. The url for it is: http://www.tat-man.net/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] meaning of spangles
Hello Jo, You are right, some do have special meanings, but I am not the right person to answer. Perhaps our danish and english members could and will do so. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Tatman's Website
I'm still here! Lurking mostly. ;) Been enjoying reading the posts when I can. Very busy these days with writing and tatting for my next book, and working on my Beds lesson during lunchtime at work. Been going ok with the Beds lesson. Got confused sometimes(since I am mostly a torchon lacer), but my teacher says I am doing great. G Yes I am still the IOLI webmaster and my personal website is still up. Unless you have in your favorites my old URL. Sort of new website is www.tat-man.net Enjoy browsing! :) Mark, aka Tatman www.tat-man.net Tatman's Blogger: www.tat-man.net/tatmanblog/tatmanblogger.html To change the subject slightly... Does anyone know what happened to another male in our midst -- Mark the Tatman? He's still listed as the IOLI's webmaster, and the website has been updated, but his own website seems to have disappeared into a blue yonder... - - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] making a roller
From: Ann-Marie Lördal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] How did you attach it to the pillow? I have been suggested to hold it down with velcro (I was thinking of using drain pipe holders, dressed in fabric, and put them at an angle in the hole for the original roller :-)) but velcro sounds better. I really don't think Velcro will hold the roller when you tension your threads. It is designed to avoid being pulled apart, but is weaker when pulled at an angle, the way it would pull when you tension. I think the roller would wobble (roll short distance back and forth) as you put in pins and tensioned the thread. I would suggest long, sturdy pins (like corsage pins). You can pin at an angle through the end of the roller down into the pillow. Two pins on each end would probably be more secure than Velcro. If you look straight on at your roller, it would look like a rectangle. The pins would go as below: || O || O \ || / \||/ |\ /| _|_\/_|__ \ / \/ Hope this makes sense. Robin P. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Holding the roller
When I had a very basic roller pillow with no satisfactory anchor to stabilise the roller I found the most effective way to hold it was by using a piece of tape or ribbon over the top of each end of the roller with the front ends pinned into the pillow near the roller (they are mainly needed to keep the roller down into the box, but also so you don't have to put weight-bearing pins into the roller), and have longer ends at the back pinned low down on the pillow with the pin at angled so the point is higher than the head. It is the pins at the back that do the work; they are holding both the constant weight of the bobbins and the extra pull when you are working . I then put a pin through the tape at the top of the roller. To turn the roller this was the only pin that needed to be moved. As I said before, it is the back edge of the roller that needs to be held firmly but I found that if I tried to hold the roller in place with a pin or tape just from the back of the roller to the pillow, it damaged the roller because you are pulling hard against it. I think you said that your pillow has a hole but the roller is now too wide to fit in it. If you over-fill the hole with something soft like wadding and pin a cloth loosely over the top then you will be able to seat the bottom curve of the roller into the stuffing, so it doesn't move around much. If I am mistaken about the hole, the same principle should work but I would make two firm sausages and pin them to the pillow first, to make a groove for the roller to sit into so it is more secure. If you are using the whole width of the roller to work on (which I assume you are otherwise you wouldn't need such a wide one VBG) then you could have 3 or 4 tapes and remove them as needed so they are not across the bit of pillow you are using. The pins will probably be far enough apart to allow the tape to go between them. I hope some of these ideas are of help to you. Jacquie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Holding the roller
The roller pillow I've got isn't very fancy and the method used to hold the roller in place is a smaller wooden wedge. You just insert it between the roller and the side of the hole it sits in. It holds well enough so I'd think having even a really small one on each side would hold a roller in place without difficulty. Darlene Mulholland -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2004 7:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] Holding the roller When I had a very basic roller pillow with no satisfactory anchor to stabilise the roller I found the most effective way to hold it was by using a piece of tape or ribbon over the top of each end of the roller with the front ends pinned into the pillow near the roller (they are mainly needed to keep the roller down into the box, but also so you don't have to put weight-bearing pins into the roller), and have longer ends at the back pinned low down on the pillow with the pin at angled so the point is higher than the head. It is the pins at the back that do the work; they are holding both the constant weight of the bobbins and the extra pull when you are working . I then put a pin through the tape at the top of the roller. To turn the roller this was the only pin that needed to be moved. As I said before, it is the back edge of the roller that needs to be held firmly but I found that if I tried to hold the roller in place with a pin or tape just from the back of the roller to the pillow, it damaged the roller because you are pulling hard against it. I think you said that your pillow has a hole but the roller is now too wide to fit in it. If you over-fill the hole with something soft like wadding and pin a cloth loosely over the top then you will be able to seat the bottom curve of the roller into the stuffing, so it doesn't move around much. If I am mistaken about the hole, the same principle should work but I would make two firm sausages and pin them to the pillow first, to make a groove for the roller to sit into so it is more secure. If you are using the whole width of the roller to work on (which I assume you are otherwise you wouldn't need such a wide one VBG) then you could have 3 or 4 tapes and remove them as needed so they are not across the bit of pillow you are using. The pins will probably be far enough apart to allow the tape to go between them. I hope some of these ideas are of help to you. Jacquie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.644 / Virus Database: 412 - Release Date: 26/03/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.644 / Virus Database: 412 - Release Date: 26/03/2004 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] attaching a roller
Hi Ann-Marie (and lace list) I just now realize you are wanting to put the roller temporarily onto the pillow. and Karen wrote: Thinking about it, it might be possible to simply pin the velcro to your pillow. It would help to put something heavy behind the roller to keep it in place while you work. It is discouraging having to fight with materials though: As this is just for the scarf project, it might be even better to make a 'pillow' of cheap builder's board or styrofoam the same size as the space you'd use on the Christina pillow - cut a hole to accommodate the roller and pin fabric over the styro. This way you can customize the setup to suit yourself without harming your good pillow, and the roller won't 'sit' too high for the angle of the bobbins hanging from it - and a person doesn't want to be fighting with that sort of thing ;) hope this helps -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace] meaning of spangles
Hello Jo and lace list I think it's safe to say that overall we don't attach any meaning to the spangles, they are for weight only (and of course we like them to look nice). Individual lacemakers might have a particular bead or button for luck. Having a black button on your lace pillow is a good omen, according to an English lacemaker I met - which might have been a regional superstition from some time ago. -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Holding the roller
I did try wedges first, but I think that perhaps the roller didn't sit very deeply into the hole, and it was just a roller with no central dowel to slide into grooves. It literally pushed into the box and the hole was not very deep. I think that maybe the maker thought it fitted tightly enough to be secure but it rolled towards you. Although wedges stopped that to a certain extent, at intervals as I was working if I needed to tension firmly I would find I was pulling the roller up out of the box, which was when I put the tapes over the top. They held it down and with one added pin, stopped it rolling. As Ann-Marie is also trying to use a roller on a not purpose-made pillow, I thought a variation of the tape might solve her problem. Jacquie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Cow and calf bobbins
In a message dated 3/28/2004 8:34:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cow and a calf. Or mother and babe. Those are bobbins (always Midlands, I think) which are carved/turned in such a way that a larger one will carry, within itself, a really tiny (no more than 3/4-1) one. Somewhat like the Chinese ball puzzles, where there's a ball, within a ball, within a ball -- all moving independently of one another. I have a couple of these lovely old bobbins, but they are not spangled as Midlands bobbins are. They are more in the tradition of thumpers'' , used, I think in Bedfordshire lace. Elaine Merritt The Lace Museum 552 South Murphy Avenue Sunnyvale, CA 94086 tel: (408) 730 4695 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Cow and calf bobbins
Cow and a calf. Or mother and babe. Those are bobbins (always Midlands, I think) which are carved/turned in such a way that a larger one will carry, within itself, a really tiny (no more than 3/4-1) one. I have a couple of these lovely old bobbins, but they are not spangled as Midlands bobbins are. They are more in the tradition of thumpers'' , used, I think in Bedfordshire lace. Elaine Merritt I have a cow and calf, also called jack-in-the-box, I think. As I'm unmarried and not a parent, I figured I shouldn't have a mother and babe bobbin, but I gave my mother one for Mother's Day. As a zoologist, I figured the cow and calf was just fine for me! B-D Mother and babe bobbins have the baby imprisoned inside the shaft of the mother, with windows cut in the shaft so you can see it. Some turners even make twins and triplets inside the mother. That requires especially tiny carving! Cow and calf bobbins have the little calf bobbin stuck into the bottom and removable. Mine is Midlands and I have it spangled, but I have to be careful. The spangle is actually attached to the calf and that's just pressure-fit into the cow. If I move it too lustily, the weight of the spangle can induce birth, so to speak. Robin P. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: cow calf, mother babe bobbins
There are pictures of a mother babe bobbin, a cow-in-calf bobbin and a jack-in-the-box bobbin in my website. http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/lace/bobbins/specials.html Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: cow and a calf
On Mar 30, 2004, at 15:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lynn) wrote: Well, this sounds pretty interesting, I think I am going to check into getting myself one of these. I have four kids, wonder if they make quadruplets.probably expensive though, a lot of intricate carving. Of course if I only get one baby at a time then that would give me extra bobbins g hmm now there's a thought. Here's another: get a pair of bobbins -- each with two babes in it. But, as they are on the expensive side, get all 4 of your kids to chip in, and buy them for you as a Mother's Day gift. This way, the wolf is sated and the sheep whole (as we say in Poland) g - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Mother and babes
I bought different mother and babes for each of my three children. One is all glass, one is walnut with a brass babe and one is walnut with a bone babe. I spangled each with a different child's name. They all know which is 'their' bobbin. Cherry Knobloch Camp Hill, Pa USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Holding the roller /wedge
The following has nothing to do with Anne-Marie's specific problem, but I thought it might be of interest, particularly as the use of a wedge as a stopper has been mentioned before. On Mar 30, 2004, at 12:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jacquie) wrote: I did try wedges first, but I think that perhaps the roller didn't sit very deeply into the hole, and it was just a roller with no central dowel to slide into grooves. I have a home-made roller pillow with a wedge holding the roller in place. I also have a Simon Toustou roller pillow, with the roller held by gears/spring gizmo. While I detest the apron on my home-made (we used compressed foam, and the whole thing is bouncy and sounds like a tom-tom when I'm working g) and love the one in Toustou's pillow, I must admit that I prefer -- by far -- the wedge as a holding device. 1) With the gear system, you can only move the roller forward (well... you *can* move it back, but with great difficulty). So, if you've forgotten how you'd solved a particulear problem in the previous repeat and want to check -- tough luck. Even worse luck if you're working on a fairly wide lace and/or a longish repeat; your diagonal line of work is going to be too long for comfort. So, you can't follow an element as far down as possible -- bobbin-wise -- to its logical conclusion, then start on the next one higher up again; you have to break in mid-element -- willy-nilly, without rhyme or reason -- and catch up with the upstairs. Lots of -- unnecessary -- shifting of bobbins from one side of the pillow to the other. With the wedge, it's no problem at all -- you pull the wedge out, and move the roller any way you want to, with the greatest ease. 2) With the gear system, you can only move the roller at *pre-set* increments (the distance between the teeth of the gear wheel). Might be OK, if the teeth were really close together but, in my case, every move is about half an inch or more. That might not be much on a coarse Torchon pattern but, on a fine Point Ground one it's a whale of a lot! And I can imagine it being even worse (both on point 1 and point 2) with a Binche pattern (but I'm only guessing, never having done any Binche). There's also a bit of wiggle room between the steps; you can push the roller back a bit without engaging the next tooth. I tried to take a Polyanna view of that feature; in the effort of trying to get as far as possible with an element, I'd try working on the unstable part without jumping to the next notch. No luck :) So now, it's only one more thing to exasperate me. With a wedge, I have much more control not only over the direction of movement but over the distance as well. If I don't pull it out all the way but just loosen it up a bit, I can move the roller 1/8 at a time, then jam the wedge back in, to hold the roller in place. I absolutely *adore* the wedge :) But. The wedge works really well only when 3 things are in place: 1) the well holding the roller is a real box (with wood walls), not just a cut-out in the foam (or whatever material is used for the apron). 2) The roller has something solid (a dowel) through its centre, extending past its width (with the extensions resting in the side wall grooves). 3) The roller has (sturdy, as in wood) walls of its own. Nos 1 and 3 are *essential*; the extensions in no 2 less so (ie, one could have a spool as a starter point for winding), though very handy. The wedge has to have something to push against -- hard -- for the friction trick to work. 3 points -- wall of the box, wall of the roller and the central dowel are best, but the first 2 would do in a pinch. - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace in Turkey
When we were in Turkey a few years ago, the only lace I could find was needlelace. If you are in Istanbul there is a weekend 'faire' not sure what they call it but it was tables with goods spread out on them. I bought some yardage of lovely needlelace there. Also a lot of the head scarves the women wear have needlelace edgings on them. I don't remember what the area of Istanbul was called where the sale was. Since my DD was living there at the time we did a lot of touring around the city. Unfortunately she was not the least bit interested in threads and what can be done with them so she did not know of any places for lace either. Dianne in Dunlap, TN - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: 2004 commemoratives/question
On Mar 30, 2004, at 5:07, Barron wrote: I had trouble finding Jo Anne's site using the addy given, I found this one worked for me http://members.aol.com/jspruitt/ Thanks, Jenny; you saved me a lot of trouble trying to find it (I could see it wasn't blue, therefore not a one-click access), seing as I have 20 left thumbs when it comes to things 'puter... :) So now that I've seen it, I have a question (for JoAnne): *something* is written/etched/carved/whatever on the bobbins. But, since it seems to be written in a spiral, it's hard to say *what*. So, what do the bobbins say? Is there an image as well as the text? I thought, perhaps, Chris Smythe's (this year's maker) website might have photos shot from more/different angles to clarify that for me but, the address provided is not an URL (leading to a website); it's just an e-mail address... :( anyone wanting to see the completed mat can see it here too, That's a wow, JoAnn, congratulations! Not something you're ever likely to see on *my* website, though, unless you gift it to me g - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] meaning of spangles
And I heard a shoe button was for luck. Interesting to see the similar-but-slightly-different legends. Lorri luck. Having a black button on your lace pillow is a good omen, according to an English lacemaker I met - which might have been a regional superstition from some time ago. -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Holding the roller /wedge
I don't know if it would help anyone, but my roller pillow has a small hole in the back board of the pillow and I use a long hatpin to keep the roller still. It can be moved back and forth as you like,the pins will push down when you need to turn it back. The hole is about the size of a three penny nail and it is smooth not like a hole drilled to put a nail through permanently. Roslyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Holding the roller
From: Ann-Marie Lördal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] How did you attach it to the pillow? I have been suggested to hold it down with velcro (I was thinking of using drain pipe holders, dressed in fabric, and put them at an angle in the hole for the original roller :-)) but velcro sounds better. Hello everybody, for holding the roller I suggested Ann-Marie to use velcro tape, and in my case it worked perfekt. Another possibility which I have used succesfully is the following: I made a roller to use with my 3x3block pillow. I took out three blocks and placed the roller in the block-frame.To avoid rolling forward-backward in the frame i placed two half-blocks on the edge,behind roller and between the roller and the frame, as far out in the ends as possible, to allow as much space for pricking and lace as possible. Then I fastened two tapes to the block-frame and pinned them to the roller on the front side of the roller, i.e. direction towards the lacemaker.Allso this solution worked very well for me. Best wishes from a sunny, but stil frosty Denmark, where the garden is calling. Aage - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Holding the roller /wedge
Hi, I have a small roller pillow which was never very stable. Large pins only damaged the covering material. I decided that it needed 2 wedges so I made them of polystyrene in the shape of a horseshoe, the thickness of which was obviously tapered. The idea worked so I asked a wood turner to make me some in wood. They work a treat. Anne in a sunny Garden City in North Herts U.K. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: [lace-chat] 2004 commeratives
Hi, I had trouble finding Jo Anne's site using the addy given, I found this one worked for me http://members.aol.com/jspruitt/ anyone wanting to see the completed mat can see it here too, jenny barron Scotland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: ... and Holy Ghost?
From: C.B. After a hardy rainstorm filled all the potholes in the streets and alleys, a young mother watched her two little boys playing in the puddle through her kitchen window. The older of the two, a five year old lad, grabbed his sibling by the back of his head and shoved his face into the water hole. As the boy recovered and stood laughing and dripping, the mother ran to the yard in a panic. Why on earth did you do that to your little brother?! she asked as she shook the older boy in anger. We were just playing 'church,' Mommy he said. I was baptizing him in the name of the Father, the Son and in the hole-he-goes. - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Fwd: NASA calls it the eye of God
I got a photo, with the above subject line, from one of my sources. I loved the image but, since it *was* a photo, I couldn't forward it to chat. I forwarded it to both of my joke lists however, with a little wistful comment/question. My son came up trumps -- as usual g -- and even provided URLs. Which are Arachne-friendly, so now everyone can enjoy the view... From: Danek Duvall I wish I knew what this really was; it's stunning (even though it seems to be closer to a *human* eye to me...) Not sure what exactly it is, but it's pretty similar to the Ring Nebula: http://www.seds.org/messier/m/m057.html (good information) http://store3.yimg.com/I/skyimage_1785_7550819 (good picture) albeit with a little touch-up to make it look more like an eye. It could also just be entirely computer generated. Still pretty cool, though. Danek - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] 2004 commeratives
Hi, I had trouble finding Jo Anne's site using the addy given, I found this one worked for me http://members.aol.com/jspruitt/ anyone wanting to see the completed mat can see it here too, jenny barron Scotland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
