Re: Making a LyX environment with arguments
# %%% BottomNote Environment
Style BottomNote
LatexType Environment
LatexName whiteargs[1in, 3in]
### rest of this environment style is left out for clarity
End
This example doesn't work because it will produce the following LaTeX
output:
\begin{whiteargs[1in, 3in]}
...
\end{whiteargs[1in, 3in]}
You should try something like this:
# %%% BottomNote Environment
Style BottomNote
LatexType Environment
LatexName whiteargs
LatexParam[1in, 3in]
### rest of this environment style is left out for clarity
End
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Mael.
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Chapter* titel problem
Hi there, I've got a foreword chapter defined with a title Foreword as 'Chapter*' (I dont want it counted). However, the pagestyle Heading now displays 'Figures' in the top of the page. Figures is the preceding chapter - i.e. using Chapter* (rather than Chapter), the chapter titel to be displayed on the top of the page is not changed, but preserved from the preceding chapter. Any suggestions? Kind regards -- Soren O'Neill, kiropraktor, MSc, klinisk lektor Rygambulatoriet, Sygehus Fyn Lindevej 5, 5750 Ringe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dskkb.dk tlf. 6362 1906 (arb.)
Left \cases
Hi, Is there a command that do the same like \cases but to the other side? Thanks
mtabular environment in LyX
Dear All As far as I can see, there is no LyX support for the nice AMS environment mtabular. Is it planned to have it in next versions of LyX? (I am using LyX 1.3.6.) Thanks in advance, Paul
Re: Left \cases
Hannan Sadar wrote: Is there a command that do the same like \cases but to the other side? http://article.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general:25485 -- Angus
Lyx on Windows and layout error
Hi, I am Lyx newbie, but I am posting this query after a google search (failed). When I start a new document (New from Template), with all templates (layouts) I tried, I get the same warning, i.e. the TeX class is missing. For e.g. on selecting docbook_article.lyx, I got the following: Textclass error : The document uses a missing TeX class docbook. Lyx will not be able to produce output. Is there some additional installation that I need to do. I think I had meticulously followed all steps mentioned in the Lyx on Windows Wiki. thanks regards, bd
Re: mtabular environment in LyX
On 11/6/05, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can see, there is no LyX support for the nice AMS environment mtabular. Is it planned to have it in next versions of LyX? (I am using LyX 1.3.6.) To have a better understanding of what is mtabular environment, see sub-section 73.1 of http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/math/voss/mathmode/Mathmode.pdf Paul
Re: Lyx on Windows and layout error
Banibrata Dutta wrote: Hi, I am Lyx newbie, but I am posting this query after a google search (failed). When I start a new document (New from Template), with all templates (layouts) I tried, I get the same warning, i.e. the TeX class is missing. For e.g. on selecting docbook_article.lyx, I got the following: Textclass error : The document uses a missing TeX class docbook. Lyx will not be able to produce output. Is there some additional installation that I need to do. I think I had meticulously followed all steps mentioned in the Lyx on Windows Wiki. thanks regards, bd Hi, Banibrata. You are suffering from a common misconception: LyX does nothing to the underlying LaTeX or Docbook distributions that are used to actually typeset your document. That's what your error message means; LyX has enough information in its own docbook.layout file to typeset your document on-screen. In order to do more you need to set up docbook on your machine. Searching on the wiki for docbook pulls up these links in the LyX Users' list: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook HTH, -- Angus
Re: Pagination problem
Hey Matthew, I'd like to give you my
congratulations! I saw your Stellarium and I like it
very much! It is a great and funny application!
I think you shouldn't use type3 font, because the
PDF is not good viewed this way. I think it's nice to
use only type1 postscript font, and maybe it will
solve your page problem also. So, you can put at
preamble the line
\usepackage{ae,aecompl}
and export the PDF using [File/ Export/
PDF(pdflatex)].
Congratulations again! Give some callback :)
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Abraços!
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Re: Left \cases
I read it, thanks but this is TeX solution. Is there also a LyX short cut? On 11/6/05, Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hannan Sadar wrote: Is there a command that do the same like \cases but to the other side? http://article.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general:25485 -- Angus
Re: Left \cases
Hannan Sadar wrote: I read it, thanks but this is TeX solution. Is there also a LyX short cut? No. On 11/6/05, Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hannan Sadar wrote: Is there a command that do the same like \cases but to the other side? http://article.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general:25485 -- Angus
itemize/enumerate in theorem environment possible in LyX ?
Hi, I frequently want to use itemize and/or enumerate within a theorem environment. I know how to do it with ERT, can I do it solely with LyX, too ? I am using the article(AMS) layout. Greetings, H.Peter Gumm
\columnsep with multicol
Hi.
I'm using a multicol environement with two columns but I'd like some more
space between the columns. I have used these commands
\setlength{\columnsep}{20mm}
\setlength{\columnseprule}{0.4pt}
but the columnsep doesn't seem to be changing. It doesn't matter if it is 20mm
or 40mm or 10mm, same result.
Any ideas?
Re: itemize/enumerate in theorem environment possible in LyX ?
H. Peter Gumm wrote: Hi, I frequently want to use itemize and/or enumerate within a theorem environment. I know how to do it with ERT, can I do it solely with LyX, too ? I am using the article(AMS) layout. Greetings, H.Peter Gumm At the point in the theorem where you want the enumeration, hit Enter and change the environment from Theorem to Itemize or Enumerate. Build the list, then highlight it and increase the environment depth by 1 (Layout-Increase Environment Depth or S-M-Right or click the tool bar button that looks like a paragraph being indented from the left). Paul
Re: \columnsep with multicol
Sorry, I should put the
\setlength{\columnsep}{20mm}
command outside of the environment.
That fixes things.
Re: \columnsep with multicol
Gunnar wrote:
Hi.
I'm using a multicol environement with two columns but I'd like some more
space between the columns. I have used these commands
\setlength{\columnsep}{20mm}
\setlength{\columnseprule}{0.4pt}
but the columnsep doesn't seem to be changing. It doesn't matter if it is 20mm
or 40mm or 10mm, same result.
Any ideas?
Are you putting the \setlength commands *before* \begin{multicols}?
Paul
Re: Pagination problem
Matthew Gates wrote: Hi. I started using LyX some time ago for stuff like letters and my CV. Recently I started a rather bigger project - the Stellarium User Guide. Everything's going pretty well, and I've learnt a lot about stuff like using bibtex and how to make indexes with sub-items etc. All good. But there are a couple of problems I can't work out. I get errors in pagination. Some of my pages have stuff that goes over the page number and even below it off the bottom of the page! Exactly what happens seems to depend on where my figures and tables get put. I have quite a few images which are all in floats, and a fair few tables - also in floats. It seems that when the large floats get put near to one another I get the error. It can be seen most clearly on page 9 of the PDF version. Anyone have any ideas what I'm doing wrong? http://porpoisehead.net/mysw/index.php?pgid=stellarium_user_guide Matthew Don't know that you are doing anything wrong. I downloaded your source tarball. The document displays correctly as DVI and PDF (dvipdfm), but the pagination is hosed using PDF (pdflatex). So maybe you're doing something very subtly wrong, maybe there's a glitch in pdflatex, or maybe the planet's are simply not in alignment (sorry, couldn't resist). Anyway, as a work-around you might consider using dvipdfm to generate the PDF file. Paul
Re: Left \cases
Hannan Sadar wrote: Is there a command that do the same like \cases but to the other side? See section 18.5 of http://wiki.lyx.org/uploads/LyX/LyXMathebefehle/LyXMathebefehle.pdf http://wiki.lyx.org/uploads/LyX/LyXMathebefehle/LyXMathebefehle.lyx regards Uwe
Modifying the koma-letter2 lyx template
Hi, I am not sure if I ask this question on the right list, so please point me to another list if this is the wrong place. I am using the koma-letter2 lyx template, which works very well, but I am looking for a way to turn off the opening section, when writing formal letters. Is this possible? I have looked at the lyx template code but I cant find any options for it. If its not possible I am looking for a lyx template for writing letters close to the style koma-letter2 provides. Kind regards, -- Rohnny
Re: Lyx on Windows and layout error
Thanks a lot Angus for the reply. Since I am getting the same error for other layouts too, (i.e. non docbook ones), is some information available in the Wiki for setting up the underlying LaTeX for generating the document. In the presence of these errors, the Export options (to DVI, PS, PDF etc.) are all disabled (and that's logical too). BTW, is there a central repository (like CTAN for instance) that contains common layouts's ? Many years back I'd a short fling with KLyX, and I remember having success in using a IEEE / SigCOMP layout (and AFAIR it worked out-of-the-box). Can't seem to find it now. thanks regards, bd On 11/6/05, Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Banibrata Dutta wrote: Hi, I am Lyx newbie, but I am posting this query after a google search (failed). When I start a new document (New from Template), with all templates (layouts) I tried, I get the same warning, i.e. the TeX class is missing. For e.g. on selecting docbook_article.lyx, I got the following: Textclass error : The document uses a missing TeX class docbook. Lyx will not be able to produce output. Is there some additional installation that I need to do. I think I had meticulously followed all steps mentioned in the Lyx on Windows Wiki. thanks regards, bd Hi, Banibrata. You are suffering from a common misconception: LyX does nothing to the underlying LaTeX or Docbook distributions that are used to actually typeset your document. That's what your error message means; LyX has enough information in its own docbook.layout file to typeset your document on-screen. In order to do more you need to set up docbook on your machine. Searching on the wiki for docbook pulls up these links in the LyX Users' list: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook HTH, -- Angus -- Diamond is a piece of coal that did well under pressure.
Re: mtabular environment in LyX
Paul Smith wrote: On 11/6/05, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can see, there is no LyX support for the nice AMS environment mtabular. Is it planned to have it in next versions of LyX? (I am using LyX 1.3.6.) To have a better understanding of what is mtabular environment, see sub-section 73.1 of http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/math/voss/mathmode/Mathmode.pdf it is my own definition ... and not amsmath Herbert
Re: Modifying the koma-letter2 lyx template
Rohnny Moland wrote:
I am using the koma-letter2 lyx template, which works very well, but I
am looking for a way to turn off the opening section, when writing
formal letters. Is this possible? I have looked at the lyx template code
but I cant find any options for it.
You can't just turn it off, because the opening command does not only the
opening, but invokes also all other stuff in the letter (headings, foldmarks
etc.).
One solution: instead of an actual opening phrase, write
\vspace*{-3\baselineskip} (in ERT) into the opening line (you might want to
adjust the length, which shrinks the distance by 3 lines in the example).
You can save this as a template for your letters.
HTH,
Jürgen
Re: Please confirm your message
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Re: Please confirm your message
--- Original Message --- Sender : LyX Users Listlyx-users@lists.lyx.org Date : 2005-11-07 16:15 Title : Please confirm your message This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (TMDA). Your message attached below is being held because the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] has not been verified. To release your message for delivery, please send an empty message to the following address, or use your mailer's Reply feature. [EMAIL PROTECTED] This confirmation verifies that your message is legitimate and not junk-mail. You should only have to confirm your address once. If you do not respond to this confirmation request within 14 days, your message will not be delivered. ---Original Message Sent: ??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:13:43 + (GMT) Subject: Regarding the (IEEEtrans) document class Dear Lyx users, I am using article(IEEEtran) document class for the paper. In this document class, there is a biography section that gets attached at the end of the paper. When viewed from the dvi viewer, there shows a square box with word inscribed, PLACE PHOTO HERE. How do you incorporate one's photo in the document from Lyx? Thank you. Yours sincerely, Sung N. Cho, Monday, Nov. 07, 2005. === Sung Nae Cho, Ph.D. Research Staff Member Computational Science Engineering Strategic Technology Unit Samsung Advanced Institute of Technology San 14-1 Nongseo-Dong Giheung-Gu Yongin, Gyeonggi-Do 449-712 South Korea TEL:+082 (031)280-8168 CEL:+082 (010)8572-3943 FAX:+082 (031)280-9158 E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sait.samsung.co.kr === Sung Nae Cho, Ph.D. Research Staff Member Computational Science Engineering Strategic Technology Unit Samsung Advanced Institute of Technology San 14-1 Nongseo-Dong Giheung-Gu Yongin, Gyeonggi-Do 449-712 South Korea TEL:+082 (031)280-8168 CEL:+082 (010)8572-3943 FAX:+082 (031)280-9158 E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sait.samsung.co.kr
Grammar
Hi Has anybody looked into the possibilities of incorporating a grammer checker into lyx. I just found that AbiWord has one, and they are using link-grammer http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link Just wondering /johan
accented words in lyx 1.3.6 and suse 9.3
I'm sure this topic has been commented before, but i can't find a satisfactory answer in the mail archive. sorry. My problem is that lyx cannot manage accented words (i'm writing a document in spanish, currently) under suse 9.3. I had no problem under suse 9.1. thanks in advance for any answer.
TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp
Hi, I decided to test the newly released (Nov. 2) of TeXlive 2005, and chose the scheme-full install which took a bit over an hour on a 2gig cpu and 512mb of memory. No problems. It also took about 2 hours to download the 700+mb iso file to burn. Next I installed winlyx 1.3.6 made by Angus. It was necessary to change from default of Miktex to C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 The Lyx install went smoothly, but it didn't find gsview32.exe so I add that to the Path Prefix under Edit--Preferences. Then the viewers all worked as did Tex Information. Received a notice message that the files in the tmp directory were not deleted. Also tried that ifsym package which was installed by default, which worked although the windvi viewer uses very large fonts. So apparently TexLive works with Lyx under a small investigation. Regards, Stephen
Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp
Stephen Harris wrote: Next I installed winlyx 1.3.6 made by Angus. It was necessary to change from default of Miktex to C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 Stephen, can you find out if TeXlive has an entry in the registry so that the Windows installer can check for its existence? -- Angus
Re: mtabular environment in LyX
On 11/7/05, Herbert Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can see, there is no LyX support for the nice AMS environment mtabular. Is it planned to have it in next versions of LyX? (I am using LyX 1.3.6.) To have a better understanding of what is mtabular environment, see sub-section 73.1 of http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/math/voss/mathmode/Mathmode.pdf it is my own definition ... and not amsmath Then I misread it. I am sorry, Herbert. Is mtabular in what package? Paul
Re: mtabular environment in LyX
Paul Smith wrote: On 11/7/05, Herbert Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can see, there is no LyX support for the nice AMS environment mtabular. Is it planned to have it in next versions of LyX? (I am using LyX 1.3.6.) To have a better understanding of what is mtabular environment, see sub-section 73.1 of http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/math/voss/mathmode/Mathmode.pdf it is my own definition ... and not amsmath Then I misread it. I am sorry, Herbert. Is mtabular in what package? the definition is shown on the same page and in the sources of the document. Herbert
Re: mtabular environment in LyX
On 11/7/05, Herbert Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can see, there is no LyX support for the nice AMS environment mtabular. Is it planned to have it in next versions of LyX? (I am using LyX 1.3.6.) To have a better understanding of what is mtabular environment, see sub-section 73.1 of http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/math/voss/mathmode/Mathmode.pdf it is my own definition ... and not amsmath Then I misread it. I am sorry, Herbert. Is mtabular in what package? the definition is shown on the same page and in the sources of the document. Got it! Thanks, Herbert. Paul
Re: Modifying the koma-letter2 lyx template
Hi Jürgen,
On 11/07/2005 08:16 AM, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:
One solution: instead of an actual opening phrase, write
\vspace*{-3\baselineskip} (in ERT) into the opening line (you might
want to adjust the length, which shrinks the distance by 3 lines in
the example).
Thanks for that nice workaround. Works perfect. :)
Kind regards,
--
Rohnny
Re: Pagination problem
On Sunday 06 November 2005 22:19, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Matthew Gates wrote: Hi. I started using LyX some time ago for stuff like letters and my CV. Recently I started a rather bigger project - the Stellarium User Guide. Everything's going pretty well, and I've learnt a lot about stuff like using bibtex and how to make indexes with sub-items etc. All good. But there are a couple of problems I can't work out. I get errors in pagination. Some of my pages have stuff that goes over the page number and even below it off the bottom of the page! Exactly what happens seems to depend on where my figures and tables get put. I have quite a few images which are all in floats, and a fair few tables - also in floats. It seems that when the large floats get put near to one another I get the error. It can be seen most clearly on page 9 of the PDF version. Anyone have any ideas what I'm doing wrong? http://porpoisehead.net/mysw/index.php?pgid=stellarium_user_guide Matthew Don't know that you are doing anything wrong. I downloaded your source tarball. The document displays correctly as DVI and PDF (dvipdfm), but the pagination is hosed using PDF (pdflatex). So maybe you're doing something very subtly wrong, maybe there's a glitch in pdflatex, or maybe the planet's are simply not in alignment (sorry, couldn't resist). Anyway, as a work-around you might consider using dvipdfm to generate the PDF file. Paul Thanks for looking at it. There's something very curious going on... I get the problem with DVI as well as PDF---preview using control-D still has the problem.
Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp
- Original Message - From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:55 AM Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp Stephen Harris wrote: Next I installed winlyx 1.3.6 made by Angus. It was necessary to change from default of Miktex to C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 Stephen, can you find out if TeXlive has an entry in the registry so that the Windows installer can check for its existence? -- Angus I think the default install directory is C:\TexLive2005, I don't remember any choice for changing the directory which is called TLroot Don't know if this will help but I saw TLroot associated with the entry for C:\TexLive2005 in My Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Controlset001 \Control\Session Manager\Environment (also TEXMFTEMP , TEXMFCNF, but nothing latex.exe specific) There are several entries for the TexLive 2005 windvi viewer also. I am not sure how the installer works. Maybe the TLroot key is enough = C:\TexLive2005 ? .\texmf and .\bin\win32 are under it. Also I had Miktex installed before. Though I uninstalled it, there were references in the registry to it still, and I'm not sure what a clean registry would have produced for the LyX install reading. Regards, Stephen P.S. This may be overkill, but I included the content of some directories, C:\TeXLive2005, .\texmf, and .\bin\win32 Volume in drive C has no label. Volume Serial Number is 7033-FEF2 Directory of C:\TeXLive2005 11/07/2005 05:00 AMDIR . 11/07/2005 05:00 AMDIR .. 11/07/2005 12:17 AMDIR bin 11/07/2005 05:00 AM 0 dir.txt 11/07/2005 01:08 AMDIR setup-win32 11/07/2005 01:10 AMDIR temp 11/07/2005 01:09 AMDIR texmf 11/07/2005 01:09 AMDIR texmf-dist 11/07/2005 12:18 AMDIR texmf-doc 11/07/2005 01:09 AMDIR texmf-local 11/07/2005 01:09 AMDIR texmf-var 11/07/2005 01:08 AM83,041 tlpm.log 11/07/2005 01:08 AMDIR xemtex 2 File(s) 83,041 bytes 11 Dir(s) 14,745,092,096 bytes free Directory of C:\TeXLive2005\texmf 11/07/2005 05:01 AMDIR . 11/07/2005 05:01 AMDIR .. 11/07/2005 12:21 AMDIR bibtex 11/07/2005 12:21 AMDIR chktex 11/07/2005 01:08 AMDIR doc 11/07/2005 12:17 AMDIR dvipdfm 11/07/2005 01:07 AMDIR dvips 11/07/2005 01:05 AMDIR fmtutil 11/07/2005 01:08 AMDIR fonts 11/07/2005 12:44 AMDIR hbf2gf 11/07/2005 01:07 AMDIR lcdftools 11/07/2005 01:08 AMDIR lists 11/07/2005 01:09 AM29,735 ls-R 11/07/2005 01:07 AMDIR scripts 11/07/2005 12:28 AMDIR tex 11/07/2005 12:18 AMDIR texconfig 11/07/2005 12:21 AMDIR texdoctk 11/07/2005 05:01 AM 0 texmf.txt 11/07/2005 01:08 AMDIR tpm 11/07/2005 01:08 AMDIR ttf2pk 11/07/2005 01:05 AMDIR web2c 11/07/2005 12:18 AMDIR xdvi 2 File(s) 29,735 bytes 20 Dir(s) 14,745,088,000 bytes free SH: Does not include the .dll files found in .\win32 Directory of C:\TeXLive2005\bin\win32 11/07/2005 05:04 AMDIR . 11/07/2005 05:04 AMDIR .. 07/07/2000 06:35 AM 1,794 a5bookle.bat 09/18/2005 01:49 AM29,184 afm2pl.exe 09/18/2005 01:48 AM49,152 afm2tfm.exe 09/18/2005 04:19 AM 3,584 aleph.exe 11/23/2004 08:56 AM 3,584 amstex.exe 09/18/2005 01:48 AM 6,656 bbox.exe 11/24/2004 03:26 AM 3,584 bg5conv.exe 11/24/2004 03:26 AM 7,680 bg5latex.exe 11/24/2004 03:26 AM 7,680 bg5pltx.exe 11/24/2004 03:25 AM86,016 bibtex.exe 09/18/2005 01:46 AM 110,592 bibtex8.exe 09/18/2005 01:37 AM14,336 bmp2png.exe 09/18/2005 01:37 AM31,744 bzip2.exe 09/18/2005 01:37 AM20,480 bzip2recover.exe 11/24/2004 03:26 AM 4,608 cef5conv.exe 11/24/2004 03:26 AM 7,680 cef5ltx.exe 11/24/2004 03:26 AM 4,608 cefconv.exe 11/24/2004 03:26 AM 7,680 ceflatex.exe 11/24/2004 03:26 AM 4,608 cefsconv.exe 11/24/2004 03:26 AM 7,680 cefsltx.exe 09/18/2005 01:49 AM 315,392 cfftot1.exe 11/24/2004 03:26 AM49,152 ChkTeX.exe 11/24/2004 03:26 AM 7,680 cjklatex.exe 09/18/2005 10:28 AM 3,584 cont-en.exe 09/18/2005 04:19 AM 3,584 context.exe 11/23/2004 08:56 AM 3,584 cslatex.exe 09/28/2003 10:10 AM94 cslatexd.bat 09/28/2003 10:10 AM92 cslatexi.bat 09/28/2003 10:12 AM90 cslatexk.bat 11/23/2004 08:56 AM 3,584 csplain.exe 09/28/2003 10:10 AM
Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp
Stephen Harris wrote: Stephen Harris wrote: Next I installed winlyx 1.3.6 made by Angus. It was necessary to change from default of Miktex to C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 Stephen, can you find out if TeXlive has an entry in the registry so that the Windows installer can check for its existence? I think the default install directory is C:\TexLive2005, I don't remember any choice for changing the directory which is called TLroot Don't know if this will help but I saw TLroot associated with the entry for C:\TexLive2005 in My Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Controlset001 \Control\Session Manager\Environment (also TEXMFTEMP , TEXMFCNF, but nothing latex.exe specific) Thanks, Stephen. I'll send Uwe a link to your mail. -- Angus
Re: Grammar
_/ On Mon 07 Nov 2005 08:46:17 GMT, [Johan Ingvast] wrote : \_ Hi Has anybody looked into the possibilities of incorporating a grammer checker into lyx. I just found that AbiWord has one, and they are using link-grammer http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link Just wondering /johan This has been discussed very recently and should be in the LyX mailing list archive, wherever it is located. You can locate the entire thread using the message headers below: =MESSAGE BEGIN= Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:55:02 +0100 [23 Oct 2005 10:55:02 GMT] From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Grammar check? Headers: Show All Headers | Show Mailing List Information Roy Schestowitz wrote: Me too. Here is the direct link: * http://bobo.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/ Note that it only handles English at the moment, but I am sure that, in due time, somebody will extend it. For Latin languages, it is primarily a vocabulary barrier. Such a feature can definitely elevate LyX well above Kile and others. I was looking into this a few days ago and here's some other links that might be useful: Queequeg, A Tiny English Grammar Checker http://queequeg.sourceforge.net/index-e.html Queequeg is a tiny English grammar checker for non-native speakers who are not used to verb conjugation and number agreement. We especially focus on people who're writing academic papers or business documents where thorough checking is required. We aim to reduce this laborious work with automated checking. Queequeg is named after a character in Herman Melville's masterpiece. Style and Diction http://www.gnu.org/software/diction/diction.html Diction and style are two old standard UNIX commands. Diction identifies wordy and commonly misused phrases. Style analyses surface characteristics of a document, including sentence length and other readability measures. Paul. =MESSAGE END=
Re: accented words in lyx 1.3.6 and suse 9.3
On Monday 07 November 2005 10:39, Gisbert, Fernando wrote: I'm sure this topic has been commented before, but i can't find a satisfactory answer in the mail archive. sorry. My problem is that lyx cannot manage accented words (i'm writing a document in spanish, currently) under suse 9.3. I had no problem under suse 9.1. thanks in advance for any answer. Hi, Qt in SuSE 9.3 is corrupted. If you must use accents, you will have to recompile Qt. I should know: it was I that filed the bug report to KDE. It is far easier to download OpenSuSE 10 from http://www.opensuse.org/Download. If instead of doing a clean install you do an upgrade system, you will be able to keep all your existing personal files (back them up anyway). On SuSE 10, my Lyx documents are written both in French ans Spanish, with all due accents. -- Pablo Ortúzar
Re: accented words in lyx 1.3.6 and suse 9.3
On Monday 07 November 2005 17:23, Pablo Ortúzar wrote: On Monday 07 November 2005 10:39, Gisbert, Fernando wrote: I'm sure this topic has been commented before, but i can't find a satisfactory answer in the mail archive. sorry. My problem is that lyx cannot manage accented words (i'm writing a document in spanish, currently) under suse 9.3. I had no problem under suse 9.1. thanks in advance for any answer. If you'd rather compile Qt, you'll find the compilation method here: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/SuSE/2004-11/2766.html -- Pablo Ortúzar
Need some trouble shootingideas
Hi. A colleague of mine is using LyX 1.3.6 on Win XP (very recent installation) but he has tried to change menus to swedish and it ended up in a mess. LyX wouldn't start. I'm now writing from what I remember that he told me. First he couldn't start LyX. It complained about textclass.lst. He tried to remove LyX but a new installation didn't change a thing. He found a textclass.lst file in C:\Document and settings\his_username\ (or something of that kind). He removed it and then LyX at least could start, but now there were not any menus other than File (and one other I think). Starting with a new LyXdocument didn't change a thing. Still no menues. Now I need some advice about what we can try to do on his computer. I'm not very familiar to debugging misbehaving programs in Windows, so any idea is a good idea. Regards, Gunnar.
Forget Windows
LyX is a wonderful word processor. It is best one for writing mathematics directly from the keyboard. Please don't spend a huge time developing it for Windows. Windows will gradually fade away. Putting nice programs like LyX on that operating system just delays people switching to a version of Linux, where they really should be. Feeding software to Windows just lets it grow profits for people who are doing nothing positive for the computing community.
Re: Pagination problem
Matthew Gates wrote: On Sunday 06 November 2005 22:19, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Matthew Gates wrote: Hi. I started using LyX some time ago for stuff like letters and my CV. Recently I started a rather bigger project - the Stellarium User Guide. Everything's going pretty well, and I've learnt a lot about stuff like using bibtex and how to make indexes with sub-items etc. All good. But there are a couple of problems I can't work out. I get errors in pagination. Some of my pages have stuff that goes over the page number and even below it off the bottom of the page! Exactly what happens seems to depend on where my figures and tables get put. I have quite a few images which are all in floats, and a fair few tables - also in floats. It seems that when the large floats get put near to one another I get the error. It can be seen most clearly on page 9 of the PDF version. Anyone have any ideas what I'm doing wrong? http://porpoisehead.net/mysw/index.php?pgid=stellarium_user_guide Matthew Don't know that you are doing anything wrong. I downloaded your source tarball. The document displays correctly as DVI and PDF (dvipdfm), but the pagination is hosed using PDF (pdflatex). So maybe you're doing something very subtly wrong, maybe there's a glitch in pdflatex, or maybe the planet's are simply not in alignment (sorry, couldn't resist). Anyway, as a work-around you might consider using dvipdfm to generate the PDF file. Paul Thanks for looking at it. There's something very curious going on... I get the problem with DVI as well as PDF---preview using control-D still has the problem. Oops, my mistake. Turns out dvipdfm didn't do the job either. I was using page 9 as the canary in the mine shaft. Both View-DVI and dvipdfm got page 9 right, but pages 11 and 13 overflowed. Back to poking around when time permits. Paul
Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp
- Original Message - From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:12 AM Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp Stephen Harris wrote: Stephen Harris wrote: Next I installed winlyx 1.3.6 made by Angus. It was necessary to change from default of Miktex to C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 Stephen, can you find out if TeXlive has an entry in the registry so that the Windows installer can check for its existence? I think the default install directory is C:\TexLive2005, I don't remember any choice for changing the directory which is called TLroot Don't know if this will help but I saw TLroot associated with the entry for C:\TexLive2005 in My Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Controlset001 \Control\Session Manager\Environment (also TEXMFTEMP , TEXMFCNF, but nothing latex.exe specific) Thanks, Stephen. I'll send Uwe a link to your mail. -- Angus You're welcome. I was rather surprised that this worked almost out of the box. The LyX installer made changing to another kind of latex quite easy with a browse button to go to: C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 I've been reading the texlive mailing list. I found the following thread about pdflatex and space in the pathname informative. http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/ in the November archive. Thread: Still space in pathname problem in windows pdeftex? Bruno wrote: I chose to install it on c:\Program File\TL_2005\ when I type, on a command line, the exact following line (in one line) pdflatex c:\Program File\TL_2005\texmf-dist\tex\latex\base\sample2e.tex I get the following answer : This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.30.3-2.2 (Web2c 7.5.5) %-line parsing enabled. entering extended mode ! Undefined control sequence. No pages of output. Fabrice Popineau provided this interesting reply which I thought was interesting because of the information about quoting and \ * Bruno Piguet bpiguet at teaser.fr writes: when I type, on a command line, the exact following line (in one line) pdflatex c:\Program File\TL_2005\texmf-dist\tex\latex\base\sample2e.tex The answer : c:\pdfetex \c:/source/fptex tests/a b.tex\ pdfetex \c:/source/fptex tests/a b.tex\ This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.30.3-2.2 (Web2c 7.5.5) \write18 enabled. %-line parsing enabled. entering extended mode (c:/source/fptex tests/a b.tex (c:/Program Files/XEmTeX/texmf/tex/context/sample/tufte.tex)) ... 1 - you can't use \ in path names with TeX (guess why ...) 2 - the double quotes you used are removed by the command line interpreter, so you need to quote again the pathname. --- However, the OP said this didn't fix his problem which may have been related to TeXnic; but the fix involves a nonstopmode switch which is basic to latex *.tex conversion (at least in logs I've viewed). Wolfgang Fleischer wrote: Hello May be you are faced with an long existing error in the output profiles of TeXNicCenter. Please check the LaTeX = PDF Profile. Find the entry for arguments sent to the compiler. It should read as -interaction=nonstopmode %Wm Probably it reads -interaction=nonstopmode %pm now which causes the error. Compare with the other profiles. They all should be ok out of the box. I realize this is a different editor. But it gave me a new appreciation of the subtleties involved in making LyX interact correctly with Latex. Regards for the forward slash, Stephen
Re: Forget Windows
On Sunday 06 November 2005 22:05, James W Dow wrote: LyX is a wonderful word processor. It is best one for writing mathematics directly from the keyboard. Please don't spend a huge time developing it for Windows. Windows will gradually fade away. Putting nice programs like LyX on that operating system just delays people switching to a version of Linux, where they really should be. Feeding software to Windows just lets it grow profits for people who are doing nothing positive for the computing community. You are wrong on two points. 1) The operating system should not be of any importance (in a perfect world), applications is what the people need! They need LyX, give them LyX! People (the computer illiterate?) are not going to switch OS until the OS's are so good that you never have to interact with the OS. Then why should you pay for it when there are free ones? 2) It's not a word processor. It's the best application ever created. That's a huge difference. ;-)
Re: Forget Windows
Gunnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | On Sunday 06 November 2005 22:05, James W Dow wrote: | LyX is a wonderful word processor. It is best one for writing mathematics | directly from the keyboard. Please don't spend a huge time developing it | for Windows. Windows will gradually fade away. Putting nice programs like | LyX on that operating system just delays people switching to a version of | Linux, where they really should be. Feeding software to Windows just lets | it grow profits for people who are doing nothing positive for the computing | community. | | You are wrong on two points. | | 1) The operating system should not be of any importance (in a perfect world), | applications is what the people need! | They need LyX, give them LyX! Well depends on the effort needed to make it happen... and since we are in the Open Source world it is really is the community on the operating systems in question that should to the work to make it happen. Angus has (IMHO) bent over backwards to make this windows port happen (really integrated with the rest of the source base, installer etc.), now it is time for the Windows community of LyX users to pick this up at keep it up do date and working. -- Lgb
Re: Grammar
Roy Schestowitz wrote: _/ On Mon 07 Nov 2005 08:46:17 GMT, [Johan Ingvast] wrote : \_ Hi Has anybody looked into the possibilities of incorporating a grammer checker into lyx. I just found that AbiWord has one, and they are using link-grammer http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link This has been discussed very recently and should be in the LyX mailing list archive, wherever it is located. You can locate the entire thread using the message headers below: Thanks for letting me know. I thought I followed the list so I didn't bother to check. Must have missed this one. /johan
Re: Need some trouble shootingideas
Gunnar wrote: Hi. A colleague of mine is using LyX 1.3.6 on Win XP (very recent installation) but he has tried to change menus to swedish and it ended up in a mess. LyX wouldn't start. I'm now writing from what I remember that he told me. First he couldn't start LyX. It complained about textclass.lst. He tried to remove LyX but a new installation didn't change a thing. He found a textclass.lst file in C:\Document and settings\his_username\ (or something of that kind). Presumably C:\Documents and Settings\his_username\Application Data\lyx (at least that's where it should be). He removed it and then LyX at least could start, but now there were not any menus other than File (and one other I think). Starting with a new LyXdocument didn't change a thing. Still no menues. That would be consistent (I think) with LyX not being configured correctly. Now I need some advice about what we can try to do on his computer. I'm not very familiar to debugging misbehaving programs in Windows, so any idea is a good idea. Did he try Edit-Reconfigure? Does Help-LaTeX Configuration show that LaTeX and at least a minimal core set of document classes have been found? Paul Regards, Gunnar.
figures blank in pdf in lyx1.3.6 + OSX
hi, i've just migrated from one OSX laptop to brand new one and though the mac automated user update copied most of my apps files. it seems like couldn't quite get all my environment settings right for LyX. so I have reinstalled teTeX, LyX 1.3.6, etc. It all works except that no figures get rendered. they are just blank.. but if i export same file to LaTex then run pdflatex myfile.tex figures appear as expected. is there some LyX configuration i have overlooked? Thanks, Caspar
Re: Forget Windows
On 11/6/05, James W Dow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LyX is a wonderful word processor. It is best one for writing mathematics directly from the keyboard. Please don't spend a huge time developing it for Windows. Windows will gradually fade away. Putting nice programs like LyX on that operating system just delays people switching to a version of Linux, where they really should be. Feeding software to Windows just lets it grow profits for people who are doing nothing positive for the computing community. James, I have an opposite view. I migrated to Linux at the moment I realized that all software I was using (with MS Windows) was natively developed for Linux. Thus, to have LyX and other (natively Linux) programs available for MS Windows may help with conquering new users for Linux. Paul
\usepackage[dvips]{geometry}: How?
I'd like to take advantage of xdvik's ability to sense the paper size
from the dvi file, as recommended in the xdvi man page, by putting
the subject line in the latex source. It works fine in a custom
class file, but when I put that line in the Preamble of an ordinary
Article class I get this error:
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LaTeX Error: Option clash for package geometry.
The package geometry has already been loaded with options:
[]
There has now been an attempt to load it with options
[dvips]
Adding the global options:
,dvips
to your \documentclass declaration may fix this...
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I can't find any mention of geometry in the teTeX-3.0 article.cls file,
nor in any of the other searching I've done.
LyX 1.3.5 seems to imply that geometry gets invoked for certain paper
sizes, but I can't find any place either in the Layout-Document or
the Edit-Preferences dialogs to set this particular option.
How can I put \usepackage[dvips]{geometry} in an article?
TIA,
Jim
Re: \usepackage[dvips]{geometry}: How?
Jim Osborn wrote:
I'd like to take advantage of xdvik's ability to sense the paper size
from the dvi file, as recommended in the xdvi man page, by putting
the subject line in the latex source. It works fine in a custom
class file, but when I put that line in the Preamble of an ordinary
Article class I get this error:
-
LaTeX Error: Option clash for package geometry.
The package geometry has already been loaded with options:
[]
There has now been an attempt to load it with options
[dvips]
Adding the global options:
,dvips
to your \documentclass declaration may fix this...
-
I can't find any mention of geometry in the teTeX-3.0 article.cls file,
nor in any of the other searching I've done.
LyX 1.3.5 seems to imply that geometry gets invoked for certain paper
sizes, but I can't find any place either in the Layout-Document or
the Edit-Preferences dialogs to set this particular option.
How can I put \usepackage[dvips]{geometry} in an article?
TIA,
Jim
Certain document settings, such as custom paper sizes or margins (I
think), cause LyX to load the geometry package and pass it necessary
options. If you View-LaTeX your document, you'll see in the preamble
where LyX loaded the geometry package.
Fortunately, options can be set with \geometry{}, and invocations of
that macro are cumulative. So try \geometry{dvips} in your preamble and
see if that works.
Paul
Help on article(IEEEtran) document class
Dear Lyx users, I am using article(IEEEtran) document class for the paper. In this document class, there is a biography section that gets attached at the end of the paper. When viewed from the dvi viewer, there shows a square box with word inscribed, PLACE PHOTO HERE. How do you incorporate one's photo in the document from Lyx? Thank you. Yours sincerely, Sung N. Cho, TUesday, Nov. 08, 2005. === Sung Nae Cho, Ph.D. Research Staff Member Computational Science Engineering Strategic Technology Unit Samsung Advanced Institute of Technology San 14-1 Nongseo-Dong Giheung-Gu Yongin, Gyeonggi-Do 449-712 South Korea TEL:+082 (031)280-8168 CEL:+082 (010)8572-3943 FAX:+082 (031)280-9158 E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sait.samsung.co.kr
Re: \usepackage[dvips]{geometry}: How?
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 6:22:51PM -0500, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
Fortunately, options can be set with \geometry{}, and invocations
of that macro are cumulative. So try \geometry{dvips} in your
preamble and see if that works.
It does indeed.
Thanks, Paul!
Jim
Suggestion
Hi all, I am using LyX 1.3.6 (Mac), although I've noticed the same behaviour on Linux and Windows builds. One thing that keeps getting me is that I find the selection behaviour un-intuitive. Because it is very much a character - to - character selection, which makes it hard to select and rearrange whole paragraphs or whole sections or even just a whole line. For example, say I had a list and I wanted to move the first item to the bottom. I either have to: - place the caret at the first position of the first line, select all the characters in that line, cut them, move to the bottom, manually add a new line, then paste the selection. The disadvantage is that the bullet point is not included in the selection, so if I paste it elsewhere I have to make sure I prepare a bullet point first. - alternatively i place the caret at the first position of the first line and then move back one character (which places the caret at the end of the line preceeding it) and then select the characters. This will now include the bullet point in the selection (which is what I would expect), but the last end-of-line (well, end of paragraph) is not included, so I still have to insert that, or select up to the start of the next line or something. I don't know about others that use lyx, but I think that if lyx behaved a little more like traditional word processors when it came to selections at the start and end of lines I would be much happier. I have to say, though, that I love lyx and this is only a suggestion. -alex
FW: accented words in lyx 1.3.6 and suse 9.3
well, thanks pablo. at the moment i cannot upgrade to suse 10 as i am developing under suse 9.3 at work and we need some rest before upgrading. thanks very much -Original Message- From: Pablo Ortúzar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 11/7/2005 5:23 PM To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: accented words in lyx 1.3.6 and suse 9.3 On Monday 07 November 2005 10:39, Gisbert, Fernando wrote: I'm sure this topic has been commented before, but i can't find a satisfactory answer in the mail archive. sorry. My problem is that lyx cannot manage accented words (i'm writing a document in spanish, currently) under suse 9.3. I had no problem under suse 9.1. thanks in advance for any answer. Hi, Qt in SuSE 9.3 is corrupted. If you must use accents, you will have to recompile Qt. I should know: it was I that filed the bug report to KDE. It is far easier to download OpenSuSE 10 from http://www.opensuse.org/Download. If instead of doing a clean install you do an upgrade system, you will be able to keep all your existing personal files (back them up anyway). On SuSE 10, my Lyx documents are written both in French ans Spanish, with all due accents. -- Pablo Ortúzar
Re: Forget Windows
James W Dow schrieb: LyX is a wonderful word processor. It is best one for writing mathematics directly from the keyboard. Please don't spend a huge time developing it for Windows. Windows will gradually fade away. Putting nice programs like LyX on that operating system just delays people switching to a version of Linux, where they really should be. Feeding software to Windows just lets it grow profits for people who are doing nothing positive for the computing community. I use and try to spread the use of Lyx on Windows. My colleagues are likely to adopt it once 1.4 is out with working latex import. There is no way that they switch OS because we need some specialized apps that only run under Windows. (Please don't reply with hints on wine, qemu, etc., I've tried it all.) Similar for me: I came from the Mac, have used Linux (and like it), and use Windows because I must. Almost everything I work with is open source, except one or two show-stoppers. (Please don't reply I should port/replicate the apps myself, I can't.) Bottom line: If Angus (and Ruurd before him) hadn't developed Lyx for Windows, I still would use Linux to some extent, but not for Lyx: I would NOT use Lyx for serious work. (Instead I would probably use Scientific Word for which btw I have a valid license and still prefer Lyx.) -Sven
Re: Forget Windows
Lars Gullik Bjønnes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well depends on the effort needed to make it happen... and since we are in the Open Source world it is really is the community on the operating systems in question that should to the work to make it happen. I agree. LyX is developed on non-Win32 OS, so if Win32 community wants it, let them help with the effort and save the time of the core devs for enhancing native application. With every day, there are less less reasons to not switch from Win32, and LyX being one of those 'killer-app' is a good reason to try alternative OS. There are lot of Linux users who still need some Win32 application and therefore they either keep dual-boot setup or use some emulation software (Win4lin, vmware, wine, CrossOver Office...), so Win32 users (if they want ot stay) can deploy the similar strategy (e.g. vmware) or simply use some Linux Live CD, but let not the effort of developing LyX get dispersed by attempt to support Win32 version. Sincerely, Gour (utf8 user, anxious to see 1.4 happen so that Unicode-support can start :-) -- Registered Linux User | #278493 GPG Public Key | 8C44EDCD
Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp
- Original Message - From: Jean-Pierre Chrétien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:54 AM Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stephen Harris wrote: A version of MikTeX (called ProTeXt) packaged with files of TeXLive first came out with the 2004 TexLive distribution. Since then ProTeXt grows with its own version numbering (two releases since TeXLive-2004, the second one very recent). Should we understand this recent release of protext-1.3 as the MikTeX equivalent of TeXLive-2005 ? I decided to test out your idea. I also did some investigating: http://dojo.miktex.org/blogs/christian_schenk/archive/2005/07/01/73.aspx MiKTeX 2.4.2007 ISO image [posted by maintainer CSchenk] I have uploaded a pretest version of the MiKTeX CD (ISO image): http://www.tug.org/ftp/tex/miktex/ The final version (available some time in July) will be the base for this year's ProTeXt. md-2.4.2025.iso.bz2 19-Jul-2005 14:34 340M Version: 2.4.2127 Date: Oct 28, 2005 SH: So yes, I would think so. The TexLive 2005 dvd includes ProText and it can't be any newer than 1.3 And I don't think there will be an update cd of TL2005. The 1.3 iso is 383mb and the miktex iso is 340mb compressed with bz2. In that case, the self-extracting and self-installing feature of ProTeXt may fit better than TeXLive with the LyX Windows installation procedure, to get the same version of packages. I did the install. The major install for ProTeXt is Miktex and it comes with Mitex: Options, Package Manager and Update Wizard. It also comes with Context, ghostscript, TeXnic Center or a trial version of WinEdt plus a well-written 20 page installation manual. Compared to the small, medium and large MikTeX installations, ProTeXt seems more complete (near 400Mo compressed, near 700 ready to install). Unless you like (and can) load the packages on the fly, it's worth spending an hour to get everything handy. -- Jean-Pierre It is possible to download all the Miktex packages to disk and then install. But there is an Miktex iso (if you have a burner) that will serve the same purpose as the ProTeXt iso. But the Protext .exe will be better for some. One problem is that the package versions are already 4 months old, and in 6 months will be old with the next TexLive release still 6 months further. Protext doesn't come with LyX but with TeXnic. LyX still needs Python so a download or 3 is still needed. Going to the homepage of the needed helper apps gives the chance for obtaining newer versions which will in some cases have a useful upgrade to the older version residing on the old cd/.exe. I doubt though, that the Miktex web setup gives as much as the Miktex iso. There was no problem with the install. Again I used the browse button to find latex.exe (C:\texmf\miktex\bin) as LyX does'nt see this version Miktex. Also had to again add C:\ghostgum\gsview to Path Prefix for gsview32.exe so that the viewers, Tex Information, and the ifsym display all worked. The dsl download speed of the ProText iso file is 3 times faster than the Miktex iso file, which might be an issue for people without fixed dsl rates. Regards, Stephen
Re: Forget Windows
Okay now what you just said spits on the entire *nix community. I myself use LyX less than I do LaTeX with Kile on Debian [don't get me started with the transition LyX is having with the Debian upgrades after Sarge] and I use LyX for OS X and TeXShop for OS X. This particular section is what caught my attention: Bottom line: If Angus (and Ruurd before him) hadn't developed Lyx for Windows, I still would use Linux to some extent, but not for Lyx: I would NOT use Lyx for serious work. (Instead I would probably use Scientific Word for which btw I have a valid license and still prefer Lyx.) So if I read this correctly, because a Win32 port of LyX has been made possible to show the Windows User the Power of the UNIX/Linux World Design approach to Software and what Free Tools can produce using the TeX/LaTeX systems and their many prodigy as the guts underneath the highly abstracted WYSIWYM paradigm none of that matters and it's because of this Win32 option that you consider it for serious work? Never mind the fact that it is more rock solid on its primary platforms and that countless Scientists, Engineers, Writers, Publishers use the these tools for serious work, it's because of the Win32 port it is now to be considered a serious solution? Please stop using LyX and any of these amateur tools already. By all means utilize that license and slave away at your Scientific Word. You're damn lucky they ported the app in the first place. Personally, I'd say screw the Win32, focus on the X, GTK+ and Qt ports and let the rest of the world smile with pleasure knowing they actually produce the highest standards of publishing with such tools the likes of which Springer Verlag, Addison-Wesley, Prentice Hall, so on and so forth are more than happy to have in order to make their jobs as publishing houses easier. If you're going to do another port I would love to see the GNUstep folks make a Cocoa Port to leverage CoreData, Foundation and full AppKit in OS X. Perhaps my colors bleed NeXT having worked there a bit too much but one can dream. When 1.4 comes out I look forward to seeing it. For now I've become quite accustomed to Kile and using LaTeX directly : it's a nice new skill to add to my ever growing list. I have no problem writing certain types of works in LyX and other types using a LaTeX editor. To all those that have developed this software your efforts have not gone in vain as by the tens of thousands of email posts in this mailing list should be proof enough. - Marc Marc J. Driftmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.reanimality.com Infinite Nothingness is the Limit of Being -- marc j. driftmeyer On Nov 8, 2005, at 1:20 AM, Sven Schreiber wrote: James W Dow schrieb: LyX is a wonderful word processor. It is best one for writing mathematics directly from the keyboard. Please don't spend a huge time developing it for Windows. Windows will gradually fade away. Putting nice programs like LyX on that operating system just delays people switching to a version of Linux, where they really should be. Feeding software to Windows just lets it grow profits for people who are doing nothing positive for the computing community. I use and try to spread the use of Lyx on Windows. My colleagues are likely to adopt it once 1.4 is out with working latex import. There is no way that they switch OS because we need some specialized apps that only run under Windows. (Please don't reply with hints on wine, qemu, etc., I've tried it all.) Similar for me: I came from the Mac, have used Linux (and like it), and use Windows because I must. Almost everything I work with is open source, except one or two show-stoppers. (Please don't reply I should port/replicate the apps myself, I can't.) Bottom line: If Angus (and Ruurd before him) hadn't developed Lyx for Windows, I still would use Linux to some extent, but not for Lyx: I would NOT use Lyx for serious work. (Instead I would probably use Scientific Word for which btw I have a valid license and still prefer Lyx.) -Sven
Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp
Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: Jean-Pierre Chrétien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:54 AM Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp Angus Leeming leeming at ... writes: [...] Should we understand this recent release of protext-1.3 as the MikTeX equivalent of TeXLive-2005 ? I decided to test out your idea. I also did some investigating: http://dojo.miktex.org/blogs/christian_schenk/archive/2005/07/01/73.aspx MiKTeX 2.4.2007 ISO image [posted by maintainer CSchenk] I have uploaded a pretest version of the MiKTeX CD (ISO image): http://www.tug.org/ftp/tex/miktex/ The final version (available some time in July) will be the base for this year's ProTeXt. md-2.4.2025.iso.bz2 19-Jul-2005 14:34 340M Version: 2.4.2127 Date: Oct 28, 2005 SH: So yes, I would think so. The TexLive 2005 dvd includes ProText and it can't be any newer than 1.3 And I don't think there will be an update cd of TL2005. The TeXLive DVD/CD comes with 2 different distributions: - on the DVD, a TeXLive-2005 installable on many platforms (including Windows); - on the CD, a ProTeXt-2005 self-extracting version. The 1.3 iso is 383mb and the miktex iso is 340mb compressed with bz2. I guess protext-1.3.iso (a zip file) will be one of the CDs of the nest TeXLive-2005 distro. Did you get it by download or from the dvd/cd ? In that case, I suspect the files/packages to be the same. [..] record of the protext install It is possible to download all the Miktex packages to disk and then install. But there is an Miktex iso (if you have a burner) that will serve the same purpose as the ProTeXt iso. But the Protext .exe will be better for some. One problem is that the package versions are already 4 months old, and in 6 months will be old with the next TexLive release still 6 months further. OK so protext-1.3 does not seem in sync with TexLive-2005. Protext doesn't come with LyX but with TeXnic. LyX still needs Python so a download or 3 is still needed. Going to the homepage of the needed helper apps gives the chance for obtaining newer versions which will in some cases have a useful upgrade to the older version residing on the old cd/.exe. I doubt though, that the Miktex web setup gives as much as the Miktex iso. There was no problem with the install. Again I used the browse button to find latex.exe (C:\texmf\miktex\bin) as LyX does'nt see this version Miktex. Also had to again add C:\ghostgum\gsview to Path Prefix for gsview32.exe so that the viewers, Tex Information, and the ifsym display all worked. The dsl download speed of the ProText iso file is 3 times faster than the Miktex iso file, which might be an issue for people without fixed dsl rates. In fact I created an iso image of all the Windows executable needed by LyX (with protext-1.2, I use only the miktex part there, just unzip and install), to provide autonomous LyX installation from CD. It's a near miss to have the miktex.exe unzipped, but no way, the size is over 700Mb in that case (454 w/protext-1.2). -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Forget Windows
Marc J. Driftmeyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: So if I read this correctly, because a Win32 port of LyX has been made possible to show the Windows User the Power of the UNIX/Linux World Design approach to Software and what Free Tools can produce using the TeX/LaTeX systems and their many prodigy as the guts underneath the highly abstracted WYSIWYM paradigm none of that matters and it's because of this Win32 option that you consider it for serious work? Never mind the fact that it is more rock solid on its primary platforms and that countless Scientists, Engineers, Writers, Publishers use the these tools for serious work, it's because of the Win32 port it is now to be considered a serious solution? Huh, this is a real point! Personally, I'd say screw the Win32, focus on the X, GTK+ and Qt ports and let the rest of the world smile with pleasure knowing they actually produce the highest standards of publishing with such tools the likes of which Springer Verlag, Addison-Wesley, Prentice Hall, so on and so forth are more than happy to have in order to make their jobs as publishing houses easier. I'd also like to see more focus (especially) on GTK+. To all those that have developed this software your efforts have not gone in vain as by the tens of thousands of email posts in this mailing list should be proof enough. I tried with XML technology, but I'm back to LyX/LaTeX not wanting to look elsewhere. Sincerely, Gour -- Registered Linux User | #278493 GPG Public Key | 8C44EDCD
Re: Forget Windows
Sven Schreiber ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: There is no way that they switch OS because we need some specialized apps that only run under Windows. (Please don't reply with hints on wine, qemu, etc., I've tried it all.) What app you have that don't run under vmware? Bottom line: If Angus (and Ruurd before him) hadn't developed Lyx for Windows, I still would use Linux to some extent, but not for Lyx: I would NOT use Lyx for serious work. (Instead I would probably use Scientific Word for which btw I have a valid license and still prefer Lyx.) How this one can hold water... What is the logic to ...use Linux to some extent, but not for Lyx..., and use LyX for win32 ? People are using LyX/LaTeX for SERIOUS work, not to write 1-page letter, and I don't understand for what you would use LyX if there would not be win32 port? Sincerely, Gour -- Registered Linux User | #278493 GPG Public Key | 8C44EDCD
Re: Forget Windows
Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | I'd also like to see more focus (especially) on GTK+. The only way to make that happen is to get someone to do it, or do it yourself. There is not really much developer attention on gtk. -- Lgb
Re: Forget Windows
Gour wrote: Marc J. Driftmeyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: So if I read this correctly, because a Win32 port of LyX has been made possible to show the Windows User the Power of the UNIX/Linux World Design approach to Software and what Free Tools can produce using the TeX/LaTeX systems and their many prodigy as the guts underneath the highly abstracted WYSIWYM paradigm none of that matters and it's because of this Win32 option that you consider it for serious work? Never mind the fact that it is more rock solid on its primary platforms and that countless Scientists, Engineers, Writers, Publishers use the these tools for serious work, it's because of the Win32 port it is now to be considered a serious solution? Huh, this is a real point! Not really. The win32 version of lyx does not in any way make it a more serious solution. More accessible of course, but no more serious. I'd also like to see more focus (especially) on GTK+. Now, if we're making wishes - scratch the bloated gtk and go for fltk. Lightweight they way it should be, and it has nice stuff like unicode and antialiasing anyway. It probably won't happen though - lack of manpower as always. Helge Hafting
Re: Forget Windows
Before this develops into a flamewar, let me rectify something: I *like* Linux more than I like Windows, but that doesn't change the fact that some very specialized apps simply don't exist on *nix. I'm very glad though that many open-source apps are cross-platform so that I can work with them. This holds especially for Lyx, and by having said that I prefer Lyx over a legal Scientific Word it should be clear that I think Lyx is better overall. I don't understand why such a statement results in angry accusations. People are using LyX/LaTeX for SERIOUS work, not to write 1-page letter, and I don't understand for what you would use LyX if there would not be win32 port? What I meant is I would not be able to use Lyx for job-related work, or put differently, it would be quite impractical. I would use it at home on Linux, but if it weren't cross-platform I would have to use something different in the office(s). I simply wanted to back the cross-platform strategy of the Lyx team. They (especially Angus) have worked hard for the Windows part, and this work deserves admiration. When this thread started I was worried about the implicit verdict that all that work was useless or even counterproductive. The opposite is true: There is a real chance I get many of my colleagues to use Lyx and thus to ditch proprietary apps. But only if it runs on Windows, that's the reality for now, even if I (or you) don't like it. So which is better: Me running Linux and Vmware, with my colleagues staying away from Lyx, or everybody using native Lyx on Windows? cheers, sven
Re: Forget Windows
On 08 Nov 2005 13:19:46 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lars Gullik Bjønnes) wrote: Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | I'd also like to see more focus (especially) on GTK+. The only way to make that happen is to get someone to do it, or do it yourself. There is not really much developer attention on gtk. I subscribed to this list to get LyX info for Linux, not Windoze. Lately, way too much of this list has been dedicated to the latter. Why not split the list and have m$-related discussions separately? I'd have a go at the GTK+ version, in which I am also interested, but I'll surely need a hand, as I am not an ace programmer. Can someone indicate what has to be done? John
Re: Forget Windows
Helge Hafting ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Not really. The win32 version of lyx does not in any way make it a more serious solution. More accessible of course, but no more serious. Who said that? Me? Marc? Now, if we're making wishes - scratch the bloated gtk and go for fltk. Lightweight they way it should be, and it has nice stuff like unicode and antialiasing anyway. I just moved kde -- gnome and do not understand what would be the advantage of fltk over gtk and/or Qt? Multi-platform? I was thinking about that in the time when I proposed wxWidgets as a one multi-platform kit, but today I'm more for GTK+. However, I also understand that we won't see GTK and/or GNOME port soon, but nobody can prevent me dreaming :-) It probably won't happen though - lack of manpower as always. Well, we can still express wishes and maybe some soul(s) jump in to make a GNOME port. Many GNOME libs are available for Mac OS and arriving for Win32 (for those still needing that OS :-) Sincerely, Gour p.s. Unfortunately, my time-for-contributing-to-the-open-source-community is already slotted (e.g. gtk2hs) and I do not posess skill for coding in C++ (trying to learn Haskell for other stuff). -- Registered Linux User | #278493 GPG Public Key | 8C44EDCD
Re: Forget Windows
Sven Schreiber ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi Sven! I don't understand why such a statement results in angry accusations. I hope you didn't take my argument as a angry accusations, at least it was not meant to be so, just a slightly provoking statement to backup your statement :-) People are using LyX/LaTeX for SERIOUS work, not to write 1-page letter, and I don't understand for what you would use LyX if there would not be win32 port? What I meant is I would not be able to use Lyx for job-related work, or put differently, it would be quite impractical. I would use it at home on Linux, but if it weren't cross-platform I would have to use something different in the office(s). That's why I wrote that if you need a tool for a serious work, you can have a dual-boot setup, launch Linux LiveCD or whatever to do your work if the boss does not allow non-Win32 OS. I simply wanted to back the cross-platform strategy of the Lyx team. They (especially Angus) have worked hard for the Windows part, and this work deserves admiration. When this thread started I was worried about the implicit verdict that all that work was useless or even counterproductive. In the past I suggested to do wxWidgets port to achieve real multi-platformability (although, when I think today about it, I'll choose GTK+ but with Haskell) 'cause, imho, win32 port, xforms, qt, gtk cannot be considered multi-platform solution. Yes, there is code-share, but every individial port (win32, gtk) takes away the energy time of devs, and that's why I'd prefer to e.g. have gtk port which could (if) cover Win32, Linux-like OS-es MaC OS in one stroke. However, since I cannot help in coding, I do not want to complain and whine, but I'm trying to be grateful to LyX devs for everything what they are doing (I'm with LyX since '99 and my 1st steps on Linux) and help by some testing, reporting bugs, etc. My hope is that LyX will atrract some new devs and that some new real multi-platform port could be done in the future. So which is better: Me running Linux and Vmware, with my colleagues staying away from Lyx, or everybody using native Lyx on Windows? I'd say: better for you your colleagues running LyX (on Linux) and vmware - it will bring new users to both Linux LyX :-) Then, with more users on Linux desktop, more programmers will be interested to program for Linux, more companies will give financial support by paying some programmers to do full-time job on the open-source applications and in the end the whole community will benefit. There is another catch with Qt (have you read the recent decision of Novell standardizing on GNOME desktop?) but I won't delve into it producing more flame ;) Sincerely, Gour -- Registered Linux User | #278493 GPG Public Key | 8C44EDCD
Re: Lyx on Windows and layout error
Hi Stephen: Thanks for the explanation. I am using WindowsXP Professional (with absolute lates SP's installed). I did a Large ( not Total) MixTex installation. Do you think that matters ? The size difference between Large Total seems to be less than 15MB. I'd certainly perform the actions recommended by you. thanks regards, bd On 11/7/05, Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Banibrata Dutta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: Re: Lyx on Windows and layout error Thanks a lot Angus for the reply. Since I am getting the same error for other layouts too, (i.e. non docbook ones), is some information available in the Wiki for setting up the underlying LaTeX for generating the document. In the presence of these errors, the Export options (to DVI, PS, PDF etc.) are all disabled (and that's logical too). BTW, is there a central repository (like CTAN for instance) that contains common layouts's ? Many years back I'd a short fling with KLyX, and I remember having success in using a IEEE / SigCOMP layout (and AFAIR it worked out-of-the-box). Can't seem to find it now. thanks regards, bd On 11/6/05, Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Banibrata Dutta wrote: LyX does not work very well with Windows 98 so I hope you mean Windows XP. The Lyx 1.3.6 is stable. Everything usually always works without a problem just following the defaults. I think it is most likely that there is a failure in following the directions. Leeming has a good installer for 1.3.6 but the other newer one by Uwe isn't quite perfected. There is nothing special for you to do except install Aspell and its dictionary into c:\aspell. Did you do a complete/full rather than a minimal install of Miktex? Did you install Minsys, Python and Perl? Once in awhile it has been helfpful to install LyX to c:\Lyx rather than c:\program files\lyx because latex will once in awhile have a problem with a path with spaces. Also when you add something to Lyx, sometimes is is necessary to go to the Edit menu and run reconfigure. Also Miketex has MikTex Options which includes a tool to refresh the database and fonts after you add packages. Regards, Stephen -- Diamond is a piece of coal that did well under pressure.
Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp
- Original Message - From: Jean-Pierre Chrétien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:24 AM Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: Jean-Pierre Chrétien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:54 AM Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp Angus Leeming leeming at ... writes: [...] Should we understand this recent release of protext-1.3 as the MikTeX equivalent of TeXLive-2005 ? I decided to test out your idea. I also did some investigating: http://dojo.miktex.org/blogs/christian_schenk/archive/2005/07/01/73.aspx MiKTeX 2.4.2007 ISO image [posted by maintainer CSchenk] I have uploaded a pretest version of the MiKTeX CD (ISO image): http://www.tug.org/ftp/tex/miktex/ The final version (available some time in July) will be the base for this year's ProTeXt. md-2.4.2025.iso.bz2 19-Jul-2005 14:34 340M Version: 2.4.2127 Date: Oct 28, 2005 SH: So yes, I would think so. The TexLive 2005 dvd includes ProText and it can't be any newer than 1.3 And I don't think there will be an update cd of TL2005. The TeXLive DVD/CD comes with 2 different distributions: - on the DVD, a TeXLive-2005 installable on many platforms (including Windows); - on the CD, a ProTeXt-2005 self-extracting version. I downloaded all of them but the DVD. The Windows installation of Texlive2005-install iso is quite different than the ProText installation. The Miktex maintainer complained about them wanting him to reduce the Protext install by 50mb so that it would fit on the smaller cd iso for TexLive 2005. The 1.3 iso is 383mb and the miktex iso is 340mb compressed with bz2. I guess protext-1.3.iso (a zip file) will be one of the CDs of the nest TeXLive-2005 distro. Did you get it by download or from the dvd/cd ? In that case, I suspect the files/packages to be the same. http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2005-November/009415.html Karl Berry wrote: I don't plan to make any more package updates for TL 2005 (didn't make any today, either), and am rebuilding the images now. This still won't be the final image, though -- the German doc still needs updating, at least, which I know Klaus is working on. Optionally perhaps Vladimir and Manfred will rebuild powerpc-aix, sparc-solaris, and i386-freebsd for the new devnag, but this is not critical. I think it is likely that Protext 1.3 is on the TexLive-live 2005 dvd. [..] record of the protext install It is possible to download all the Miktex packages to disk and then install. But there is an Miktex iso (if you have a burner) that will serve the same purpose as the ProTeXt iso. But the Protext .exe will be better for some. One problem is that the package versions are already 4 months old, and in 6 months will be old with the next TexLive release still 6 months further. OK so protext-1.3 does not seem in sync with TexLive-2005. I think they collected protext 1.3 in July and used it for the TexLive2005 dvd. The Texlive 2005 cd installs a windows version, but not the Protext version. Protext doesn't come with LyX but with TeXnic. LyX still needs Python so a download or 3 is still needed. Going to the homepage of the needed helper apps gives the chance for obtaining newer versions which will in some cases have a useful upgrade to the older version residing on the old cd/.exe. I doubt though, that the Miktex web setup gives as much as the Miktex iso. The Miktex web setup gave me 317mb in .cab files. The Protext iso had around 355mb in cab files. The Miktex iso was 696/680mb depending (I didn't see any cab files on the Miktex iso, I guess they were expanded.) on what read it. Without running a comparison utility, the main difference appears to be that ProText came with a trial version of Winedt. There may be a small difference in the Miktex version used in the Miktex iso and the Miktex version used in the Protext 1.3 iso/exe version of a couple weeks. Recall that C. Schenk said the Miktex would be used later for Protext 2005 which I read is on the dvd TexLive2005-live not the cd TexLive2005-inst. In fact I created an iso image of all the Windows executable needed by LyX (with protext-1.2, I use only the miktex part there, just unzip and install), to provide autonomous LyX installation from CD. It's a near miss to have the miktex.exe unzipped, but no way, the size is over 700Mb in that case (454 w/protext-1.2). -- Jean-Pierre Yes, it seems that the Miktex or Protext iso install is more complete than the web install, although I don't know why he would exclude some packages from the web download in order put them only on cd. It is convenient to have everything on the same cd, but in the linux world they tend to keep them apart due to different licenses I suppose. I imagine the Miktex expanded iso cd could also be winrared to fit the rest of the helper apps on a
Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp
- Original Message - From: Jean-Pierre Chrétien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:24 AM Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: Jean-Pierre Chrétien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:54 AM Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp In fact I created an iso image of all the Windows executable needed by LyX (with protext-1.2, I use only the miktex part there, just unzip and install), to provide autonomous LyX installation from CD. It's a near miss to have the miktex.exe unzipped, but no way, the size is over 700Mb in that case (454 w/protext-1.2). -- Jean-Pierre A few cons along with the Pros, It seems that the current MiKTeX-CD got too big for this year's ProTeXt. Thomas Feuerstack asked me to free 50 MB. Impossible! I advised Thomas to create a non-Live version of ProTeXt: the CD then contains a snapshot of the current package repository. This approach has three drawbacks: you cannot run MiKTeX from CD the setup process takes longer (cabinet files have to be extracted) you loose the ability to share MiKTeX in a network environment posted Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:31 PM by CSchenk [the maintainer] Regards, Stephen
Re: Forget Windows
John Coppens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'd have a go at the GTK+ version, in which I am also interested, but I'll surely need a hand, as I am not an ace programmer. Can someone indicate what has to be done? As I wrote earlier, I cannot code, but can contribute my time to testing. Probably some of core developers can tell you everything, I'll just point you (if not seen already) to the: http://www.lyx.org/devel/guii.php where it is shown (I cannot say if it is up to date) what is the status of GTK+ port. Maybe the more help can be asked on gtk-related mailing lists. Sincerely, Gour John -- Registered Linux User | #278493 GPG Public Key | 8C44EDCD
Re: Forget Windows
- Original Message - From: Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:15 AM Subject: Re: Forget Windows Gour wrote: Marc J. Driftmeyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'd also like to see more focus (especially) on GTK+. Now, if we're making wishes - scratch the bloated gtk and go for fltk. Lightweight they way it should be, and it has nice stuff like unicode and antialiasing anyway. It probably won't happen though - lack of manpower as always. Helge Hafting Yes, I looked at fltk and it is intended to be cross-platform. I've also seen some great screenshots and fltk was used for (and a variation is used for making special effects in movies) porting flpsed using Minsys rather than Cygwin on Windows. The result was as good as the original on Linux. I know very little about the other approaches, so I'm not comparing to GTK+ Regards, Stephen
Re: Forget Windows
Hi Folks, We may try to wish-away windows or maybe flame-it-down, but the fact is that by saying things like -- don't spend any more effort on developing it further on Windows, what you are saying is turn the development into a prejudiced-OpenSource, not a truely world-hugging OpenSource as OpenSource is meant to be. I agree that win32 developers needs to pitch-in, but all the people who * use* Lyx on Windows are not Windows-developers (myself included). I use Windows because my company (a very large multi-national) chooses to use Windows. You may say that I should try to influence them to move them to Linux, but I know that it's easier said than done. A very large set of applications that my company uses, doesn't have robust-enough or featureful-enough counterparts on Linux. Move to Linux can only be gradual, i.e. it needs to be evolutionary and not an overnight revolution. Just see how the acceptance popularity of Linux has grown over the years, and believe me, it has a lot to do with how easy it was made for Windows user to move to Linux. If you don't do that, Linux remains a domain of the so-called nerds. I'd rather see the members of this list help, support and encourage Lyx users without trying to judge them based on which OS they run Lyx. Living with the prejudice Bill Gates is Evil, Windoze is Evil, helps nobody. BTW, I own 5 PC's (and 4 of them are multi-boot capable). All my PC's run Linux (but they also run BSD, Solarix x86, WindowsXP). I am a software programmer by profession (been that for 8yrs now). I use really wish I could help with win32 development of Lyx, because I use WindowsXP at work, and find Lyx quite powerful (well I am still a newbie), but unfortunately my knowledge of GUI programming is next to 0. my 2 cents, bd
Re: Forget Windows
John Coppens wrote:
| I'd also like to see more focus (especially) on GTK+.
The only way to make that happen is to get someone to do it, or do
it yourself. There is not really much developer attention on gtk.
I subscribed to this list to get LyX info for Linux, not Windoze.
Lately, way too much of this list has been dedicated to the latter.
Frankly, I don't think that's true. Looking back over the mail list
archive as far as 22 Oct, I see the list of messages below. (Sorted
alphabetically.) Most all of 'em are probelms that aren't specific to
Windows, even if there's a Windows in the title.
Why not split the list and have m$-related discussions separately?
Because we are all one big LyX community :)
I'd have a go at the GTK+ version, in which I am also interested,
but I'll surely need a hand, as I am not an ace programmer. Can
someone indicate what has to be done?
I think that the definitive answer can best be provided by John Spray
(jcs116 AT york DOT ac DOT uk). Off the top of my head, there are
still a bunch of dialogs that needed to be written and the main
screen is very fragile in the presence of accented letters.
Regards,
Angus
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Creating DocBook stuff using LyX [2]
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Faulty Latex generated by LyX ? [4]
Figure and table side by side [6]
Finding the Reason xdvi Output Disappeared [7]
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Forget Windows [15]
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How to set latex path on windows? [2]
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Suggestion
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TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp [8]
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[announce] beta release of new LyXWin installer
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all footnotes at end of book [3]
centre a graphic [3]
converter for pdf [3]
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lyx keyboard shortcuts [3]
lyx-1.4 cvs assertion crash when resetting wrong language
lyx-gtk compilation error [4]
mtabular environment in LyX [6]
multiinclude with beamer [3]
period after author in reference list [5]
reference
textclass.lst [6]
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Re: Forget Windows
Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Yes, there is code-share, but every individial port (win32, gtk) takes | away the energy time of devs, and that's why I'd prefer to e.g. have | gtk port which could (if) cover Win32, Linux-like OS-es MaC OS in one | stroke. Note that code share is in the very high 90's %. It is packaging that takes time, and you won't get that from just using a multi-platform lib. (qt-linux, qt-mac, qt-win) But I guess topic should be brought back to more LyX relevant musings. -- Lgb
Please don't (was Re: Forget Windows)
While I agree w/ Marc in wanting a Cocoa / GNUstep front-end for LyX, I would like to echo the statements of Banibrata and others that it's better to have a wide variety, and please don't abandon people who need to use Windows for one reason or other. Having Windows as an option makes LyX far more widely available, and more usage means more testing which makes LyX better. It also means that LyX can run on systems with unique capabilities not afforded by Linux or Mac OS X --- I'm running LyX on Windows 2000 using Evernote's RitePen HWR software on a Fujitsu Stylistic pen slate, which means that I can work on my current book project wherever I happen to be, no need for a chair to sit on to use a laptop, or a table for a setting up a keyboardkeyboard, or a power outlet to drive a Wacom Cintiq connected to a Mac Mini (which I've still been tempted by). While Inkwell, nee Rosetta in Mac OS X is nice, it's not as well integrated as RitePen, and there's still no widely available HWR program for Linux better than xscribble AFAIK. For others who have Windows pen slates, or access to a graphics tablet, be sure to try out InftyReader (http://www.inftyproject.org/en/) contrast it w/ FFES on Linux. William (which reminds me, can I get the math area slightly increased in size?) -- William Adams, publishing specialist voice - 717-731-6707 | Fax - 717-731-6708 www.atlis.com
Re: Forget Windows
Stephen Harris wrote: Yes, I looked at fltk and it is intended to be cross-platform. I've also seen some great screenshots and fltk was used for (and a variation is used for making special effects in movies) porting flpsed using Minsys rather than Cygwin on Windows. The result was as good as the original on Linux. I know very little about the other approaches, so I'm not comparing to GTK+ Yes, fltk is a very nice little toolkit. In fact, it's the successor to the XForms library that we do use in one of our frontends. However, before any eager soul jumps on this frontend bandwagon, I'd like to introduce a note of caution and suggest that you really, really shouldn't create yet another frontend to LyX. Time is limited, there are only so many of us and another frontend would just be more to maintain for no real benefit. I think we'd all like to see improved core functionality in future releases. The last three or four years have seen increased prettiness and stability and *much* nicer code but little real increase in what LyX can actually do. Now that we have something that's at least reasonably modern looking, let's turn the thing into the world beater we always hoped it would be. Regards, Angus
Re: Suggestion
Alex Streit wrote: Hi all, I am using LyX 1.3.6 (Mac), although I've noticed the same behaviour on Linux and Windows builds. One thing that keeps getting me is that I find the selection behaviour un-intuitive. Because it is very much a character - to - character selection, which makes it hard to select and rearrange whole paragraphs or whole sections or even just a whole line. For example, say I had a list and I wanted to move the first item to the bottom. I either have to: - place the caret at the first position of the first line, select all the characters in that line, cut them, move to the bottom, manually add a new line, then paste the selection. The disadvantage is that the bullet point is not included in the selection, so if I paste it elsewhere I have to make sure I prepare a bullet point first. - alternatively i place the caret at the first position of the first line and then move back one character (which places the caret at the end of the line preceeding it) Or you can just place the cursor there directly. and then select the characters. This will now include the bullet point in the selection (which is what I would expect), but the last end-of-line (well, end of paragraph) is not included, so I still have to insert that, or select up to the start of the next line or something. If I select from the end of the preceding entry to the end of the entry being moved, when I paste at the new location I get both a new bullet and an end-of-paragraph. I don't know about others that use lyx, but I think that if lyx behaved a little more like traditional word processors when it came to selections at the start and end of lines I would be much happier. I have to say, though, that I love lyx and this is only a suggestion. -alex Is there actually a standard behavior for these sorts of operations? I just cobbled together a bullet list in Word Perfect and tried moving an entry. As with LyX, you can't literally include the bullet in the selection. If I place the cursor at the start of an entry and cut from there to the end of the line, an empty line (with bullet) remains, and after placing the cursor at the insertion point I need to hit Enter to get a new bullet before pasting. Personally, I prefer LyX's automatic removal of the empty line. If I cut from the start of the entry to the start of the next entry, the empty line is not there, but I still need to hit Enter at the insertion point to start a new bullet. On the other hand, if I cut from the end of the preceding entry to the end of the entry that is moving, then I can paste at the insertion point and get a new bullet automatically (same as LyX). I guess I'm not clear on what is nonstandard about what LyX is doing. Paul
Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp
Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: Jean-Pierre Chrétien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:24 AM Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp Stephen Harris techmech at ... writes: The TeXLive DVD/CD comes with 2 different distributions: - on the DVD, a TeXLive-2005 installable on many platforms (including Windows); - on the CD, a ProTeXt-2005 self-extracting version. I downloaded all of them but the DVD. Texlive2005-install iso is quite different than the ProText installation. The Miktex maintainer complained about them wanting him to reduce the Protext install by 50mb so that it would fit on the smaller cd iso for TexLive 2005. I guess they want to keep it installable from CD, like in 2004. (i.e. not compressed, as protext-1.3). I think the discussion will be more thorough when the dvd/cd collection will be out. The TeXLive images are currently test images, and the official TeXLive is still 2004. The Protext instruction manual, I worry, may be daunting for newcomers. I never read it, just done this (from the local LyX install instructions): 6. Install MikTeX * Decompress the archive in (e.g.) C:\ProTeXt-1.2. Be patient... * Go to C:\ProTeXt-1.2\SETUP and install -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Forget Windows
On Nov 8, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Angus Leeming wrote: However, before any eager soul jumps on this frontend bandwagon, I'd like to introduce a note of caution and suggest that you really, really shouldn't create yet another frontend to LyX. Time is limited, there are only so many of us and another frontend would just be more to maintain for no real benefit. I think we'd all like to see improved core functionality in future releases. The last three or four years have seen increased prettiness and stability and *much* nicer code but little real increase in what LyX can actually do. Now that we have something that's at least reasonably modern looking, let's turn the thing into the world beater we always hoped it would be. While I sympathize here, doing a Cocoa / GNUstep front-end really provides a lot of nice capabilities ``for free'' (Services!) and provides one with a nice version for Mac OS X and Linux and possibly Windows depending on the state of the mgstep libraries, and I believe there's even a Zaurus port. In particular, it'd jump-start native UTF-8 support. William -- William Adams, publishing specialist voice - 717-731-6707 | Fax - 717-731-6708 www.atlis.com
Re: Suggestion
_/ On Tue 08 Nov 2005 15:09:51 GMT, [Paul A. Rubin] wrote : \_ Alex Streit wrote: Hi all, I am using LyX 1.3.6 (Mac), although I've noticed the same behaviour on Linux and Windows builds. Yes, all are rather uniform in terms of their behaviour. One thing that keeps getting me is that I find the selection behaviour un-intuitive. Because it is very much a character - to - character selection, which makes it hard to select and rearrange whole paragraphs or whole sections or even just a whole line. I noticed that too, but never complained. I re-adjusted my mind and got accustomed *over time*. This behaviour is attributed to the LaTeX/LyX for- mat underneath, yet a few tweaks could probably correct this. Selections do not include the structural information that precedes them, e.g. Sec- tion. For example, say I had a list and I wanted to move the first item to the bottom. I either have to: - place the caret at the first position of the first line, select all the characters in that line, cut them, move to the bottom, manually add a new line, then paste the selection. The disadvantage is that the bullet point is not included in the selection, so if I paste it elsewhere I have to make sure I prepare a bullet point first. - alternatively i place the caret at the first position of the first line and then move back one character (which places the caret at the end of the line preceeding it) Or you can just place the cursor there directly. and then select the characters. This will now include the bullet point in the selection (which is what I would expect), but the last end-of-line (well, end of paragraph) is not included, so I still have to insert that, or select up to the start of the next line or something. If I select from the end of the preceding entry to the end of the entry being moved, when I paste at the new location I get both a new bullet and an end-of-paragraph. I don't know about others that use lyx, but I think that if lyx behaved a little more like traditional word processors when it came to selections at the start and end of lines I would be much happier. I have to say, though, that I love lyx and this is only a suggestion. I think that committing changes as such would only confuse existing users. Having said that, I agree that this behaviour, which affects not only bul- leted lists, is irrational and can deter new LyX users. Is there actually a standard behavior for these sorts of operations? I just cobbled together a bullet list in Word Perfect and tried moving an entry. As with LyX, you can't literally include the bullet in the selection. If I place the cursor at the start of an entry and cut from there to the end of the line, an empty line (with bullet) remains, and after placing the cursor at the insertion point I need to hit Enter to get a new bullet before pasting. Personally, I prefer LyX's automatic removal of the empty line. If I cut from the start of the entry to the start of the next entry, the empty line is not there, but I still need to hit Enter at the insertion point to start a new bullet. On the other hand, if I cut from the end of the preceding entry to the end of the entry that is moving, then I can paste at the insertion point and get a new bullet automatically (same as LyX). I guess I'm not clear on what is nonstandard about what LyX is doing. Paul I can agree with you, Paul, but what people have become to accept as 'cor- rect' is not necessarily most helpful. If a user highlights the content of a bulletpoint, he/she probably wants to grab the text as-is, i.e. as a bullet. It is valuable to form some expectation of what the user wishes to do next and take the necessary steps (without popping up some doggy or a paperclip, of course). Roy
Re: Forget Windows
Tysdag 8. november 2005 15:57 skreiv Lars Gullik Bjønnes: Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Yes, there is code-share, but every individial port (win32, gtk) takes | away the energy time of devs, and that's why I'd prefer to e.g. have | gtk port which could (if) cover Win32, Linux-like OS-es MaC OS in one | stroke. Note that code share is in the very high 90's %. It is packaging that takes time, and you won't get that from just using a multi-platform lib. (qt-linux, qt-mac, qt-win) As a translator I have to say that the number of toolkits increase the amount of work for the translators as well. Different toolsets have different ways to specify shortcuts and each have to be translated manually. So as a translator I would like to have only one toolset to work with, and if I could have chosen I would loved a kde-frontend. There is so many things we could have gotten for free if we would made the plunge to kde instead of qt. (on the fly spell check, kio-slaves to name two from the top of my head). And offcourse as kde4 is going to be ported to win32 and osx it could be used on those architectures as well. ;) (packing work still remains, though) However, I can see why it is not going to happen as it would mean ripping out parts of lyx`s tookit independent parts and replacing them with kdelibs. So I am happy with the status quo. Ingar
Re: Forget Windows
Lars Gullik Bjønnes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Note that code share is in the very high 90's %. Really? Did not know that. So, it means that, in case qt goes non-gpl or something, it would not be too hard to port to another toolkit? It is packaging that takes time, and you won't get that from just using a multi-platform lib. (qt-linux, qt-mac, qt-win) Do you mean preparing the build or extra stuff which has to be included like in win32 port? But I guess topic should be brought back to more LyX relevant musings. Isn't the future and LyX ports very relevant topic ;) Sincerely, Gour -- Registered Linux User | #278493 GPG Public Key | 8C44EDCD
Re: Forget Windows
William F. Adams wrote: I think we'd all like to see improved core functionality in future releases. The last three or four years have seen increased prettiness and stability and *much* nicer code but little real increase in what LyX can actually do. Now that we have something that's at least reasonably modern looking, let's turn the thing into the world beater we always hoped it would be. While I sympathize here, doing a Cocoa / GNUstep front-end really provides a lot of nice capabilities ``for free'' You have a strange definition of ``for free'', William. There are 295 files in the Qt frontend totalling some 27,000 lines of code. And that's neglecting the .ui files that define the dialog structure. For those interested in such stats, the whole LyX source tree (neglecting non-Qt frontend code) comprises 970 files and 170,000 lines of code. The thing is *big* and doesn't need to get any bigger. In particular, it'd jump-start native UTF-8 support. shrug Most modern toolkits have unicode support. So what? The Qt frontend has native unicode support and works today. /shrug Swiching the LyX internals over to unicode is the big plan for a 1.5 release. The fun will come in getting unicode to fit seemlessly with LaTeX. You're something of a LaTeX expert, no? I'm sure you could point out some of the problems. (To the lyx-devel list please.) Regards, Angus
Re: Forget Windows
Ingar == Ingar Pareliussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ingar As a translator I have to say that the number of toolkits Ingar increase the amount of work for the translators as well. Ingar Different toolsets have different ways to specify shortcuts and Ingar each have to be translated manually. Note we could make an effort to change this: use the shortcut notation everywhere and avoid gratuitous differences between frontends. JMarc
Memoir Install?
I'm a LyX nubie. I'm using Ubuntu 5.10, and have installed LyX via the Ubuntu package manager. How do I install Memoir? Where do I put the sty files, etc? Jack
importing material into figures
Hi I have lots of material - such as Surfer maps, Origin graphs etc. and I wondered if I can import them directly to Lyx or need to export them first to jpeg and only then import ? Cause I tried to export surfer to EMF, but the result in the DVI file was a huge picture, and when I tried to minimize it (scaling it to only 20% in the figure dialog box) the quality was horrible. Oh, and I did read the intro and tutorial and went over almost all the other guides. nice humor:) Thanks Hagit This message was scanned against malicious content by the ARO secure anti-virus and anti-spam system. Volcani Infrastructure System Department
Re: Forget Windows
Ingar Pareliussen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: As a translator I have to say that the number of toolkits increase the amount of work for the translators as well. Different toolsets have different ways to specify shortcuts and each have to be translated manually. Good point. So as a translator I would like to have only one toolset to work with, and if I could have chosen I would loved a kde-frontend. There is so many things we could have gotten for free if we would made the plunge to kde instead of qt. (on the fly spell check, kio-slaves to name two from the top of my head). And offcourse as kde4 is going to be ported to win32 and osx it could be used on those architectures as well. ;) (packing work still remains, though) I could also say: gnome, gnome-vfs, internationalization (I18N), localization (L10N), OS X is there, cairo back-end, win32, and lgpl license, i.e. not depending on trolltech... However, I can see why it is not going to happen as it would mean ripping out parts of lyx`s tookit independent parts and replacing them with kdelibs. So I am happy with the status quo. This I cannot comment, i.e. what is the work of tailoring the present api to new layer. Sincerely, Gour -- Registered Linux User | #278493 GPG Public Key | 8C44EDCD
Re: Forget Windows
- Original Message - From: Ingar Pareliussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Forget Windows So as a translator I would like to have only one toolset to work with, and if I could have chosen I would loved a kde-frontend. There is so many things we could have gotten for free if we would made the plunge to kde instead of qt. (on the fly spell check, kio-slaves to name two from the top of my head). And offcourse as kde4 is going to be ported to win32 and osx it could be used on those architectures as well. ;) (packing work still remains, though) SH: Hmmm. I like the KDE desktop and looked into the Cygwin port of KDE to Windows, which has been abandoned. Now the effort is to produce a native Windows KDE. I thought I read that this effort relied on Qt (3?) similar to LyX?
Re: Forget Windows
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : Ingar == Ingar Pareliussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ingar As a translator I have to say that the number of toolkits Ingar increase the amount of work for the translators as well. Ingar Different toolsets have different ways to specify shortcuts and Ingar each have to be translated manually. Note we could make an effort to change this: use the shortcut notation everywhere and avoid gratuitous differences between frontends. JMarc I can only subscribe to that. To have to test the different translations and shortcuts in the different frontends is a pain. I have myself nearly abandoned the coherence of the Xforms shortcuts.
Re: importing material into figures
_/ On Tue 08 Nov 2005 17:32:49 GMT, [hagit lev] wrote : \_ Hi I have lots of material - such as Surfer maps, Origin graphs etc. and I wondered if I can import them directly to Lyx or need to export them first to jpeg and only then import ? Although this depends on various settings (e.g. platform, software), you may have to do a bunch of conversions first. I tend to favour the PNG for- mat, but have used the vector graphics format, namely EPS (encapsulated PostScript) where suitable, i.e. when data was not of a fixed size. For image conversions I recommend ImageMagick, although the GIMP would be good if you dislike the command line. It is also available for all popular platforms. Cause I tried to export surfer to EMF, but the result in the DVI file was a huge picture, and when I tried to minimize it (scaling it to only 20% in the figure dialog box) the quality was horrible. Oh, and I did read the intro and tutorial and went over almost all the other guides. nice humor:) Thanks Hagit Re-scaling of images, especially if the formats are atypical, leads to bad results. Graphical toolboxes handle resampling better, so I suggest you convert the images first. Hope it helps, Roy -- Roy S. Schestowitz http://Schestowitz.com
Re: Forget Windows
Tysdag 8. november 2005 17:59 skreiv Gour: Lars Gullik Bjønnes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Note that code share is in the very high 90's %. So, it means that, in case qt goes non-gpl or something, it would not be too hard to port to another toolkit? Lyx source code was divided in 2000(-01?) into two parts, one which is gui-independent and similar for all toolkits and a part that was dependent on the toolkit. (the toolkits started at that time was xforms, qt and gtk). So it is possible to port to other tookits without to much work (Not that I could do it :) ). However, there have been little interest in gtk port it seems, judging by the speed of development. However, this gui-independence means, as far as I have understood it, that you have to code into lyx a lot of library-stuff, like spellchecker, as you can not rely on code that might not be present in some toolkits/environments. You do not need to worry about trolltech removing qt from its gpl license. It can't happen, the source code is out there covered by gpl. Trolltech might, if they turn bad, stop releasing new versions of qt under gpl. In that case the last gpl released qt-version turns to a bsd license. http://www.kde.org/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php and even more kde myths debunked here :) http://kdemyths.urbanlizard.com/ Ingar
Re: Forget Windows
Tysdag 8. november 2005 18:48 skreiv Stephen Harris: SH: Hmmm. I like the KDE desktop and looked into the Cygwin port of KDE to Windows, which has been abandoned. Now the effort is to produce a native Windows KDE. I thought I read that this effort relied on Qt (3?) similar to LyX? For the time being kde on windows is vapor ware. As far as I know the only work being done is to make the buildsystem of kde working in windows. When that is done they would need a lot of dedicated windows developers to port the code. If those do not materialize there will never be a kde release for windows. http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1530#comment So you are correct that the upcoming kde on windows relies on Qt4 for windows. And that lyx as well depends on qt (at least for the qt-toolkit port of lyx :) ). But (for the time being) lyx do not depend on kde. Ingar
Re: importing material into figures
Am Dienstag, 8. November 2005 18:32 schrieb hagit lev: Hi I have lots of material - such as Surfer maps, Origin graphs etc. and I wondered if I can import them directly to Lyx or need to export them first to jpeg and only then import ? You can import any figure material directly if you have a tool that can convert it (from the command line) to a format that LyX knows of. You then need to define this tool as a converter. The Wiki and Customization guide tell you how this works. If such a tool is not available you need to export the figures. I recommend the following formats: EPS or PDF for vector graphics (i. e. some graphs) PNG for bitmap figures with a small number of colors (e. g. scanned material) JPEG for bitmals with a lot of colors (e. g. photos), but keep in mind that the JPEG format is lossy Cause I tried to export surfer to EMF, but the result in the DVI file was a huge picture, and when I tried to minimize it (scaling it to only 20% in the figure dialog box) the quality was horrible. In theory EMF would work well for vector graphics. In practice the EMF - EPS converters available on Linux don't work well enough (because EMF and WMF formats are no real file formats, but simply a recording of the windows API calls that are needed to produce the figure on screen or on printer). The situation might be better if you are on windows, I have been told that better converters are available on that OS. You might get good results with EMF if you specify such a tool as EMF - EPS converter. Georg
Re: Suggestion
Am Dienstag, 8. November 2005 17:47 schrieb Roy Schestowitz: I noticed that too, but never complained. I re-adjusted my mind and got accustomed *over time*. This behaviour is attributed to the LaTeX/LyX for- mat underneath, yet a few tweaks could probably correct this. Selections do not include the structural information that precedes them, e.g. Sec- tion. IIRC this will be fixed in the upcoming 1.4.0 release. Roy and Paul, I did not read your suggestions completely, but they look sensible at a frist glance. Please file them an enhancement request at http://bugzilla.lyx.org so that they will not be forgotten. Georg
Re: importing material into figures
hagit lev wrote: Hi I have lots of material - such as Surfer maps, Origin graphs etc. and I wondered if I can import them directly to Lyx or need to export them first to jpeg and only then import ? Cause I tried to export surfer to EMF, but the result in the DVI file was a huge picture, and when I tried to minimize it (scaling it to only 20% in the figure dialog box) the quality was horrible. Oh, and I did read the intro and tutorial and went over almost all the other guides. nice humor:) Thanks Hagit There are two separate issues to deal with: importing graphics in a way that allows them to be correctly presented in the final document (DVI, PDF, whatever); and importing them in a way that allows them to be correctly displayed within the LyX editing window. The latter is not a prerequisite to the former -- it's entirely possible for LyX to have no idea how to display an image that appears correctly in the final output. In fact, I typically turn off image displays in LyX to save CPU cycles. You might have a look at the following Wiki page: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FiguresInLyX. As noted near the top, the final output can contain any image format that LaTeX can correctly ingest. The bulk of the Wiki page is devoted to questions of what formats LyX can display in the edit screen. You might also have a look at http://tex.loria.fr/graph-pack/epslatex.pdf, which discusses what formats LaTeX can process and how conversions to them occur. Paul
Re[2]: Forget Windows
Dear All, Ingar As a translator I have to say that the number of toolkits Ingar increase the amount of work for the translators as well. Ingar Different toolsets have different ways to specify shortcuts and Ingar each have to be translated manually. JML Note we could make an effort to change this: use the shortcut JML notation everywhere and avoid gratuitous differences between JML frontends. Is it possible to create a translation code internally, to handle the differences in GUIs? I have (almost) finshed the translation of Qt strings. It would be useful, If I could reuse all of them, without doublecating thoose strings. Now, I have to copy/paste, change shortcut, verify, etc. We could make it simplier, by making a string convertion for every GUI. -- Alexmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forget Windows
On Nov 8, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Angus Leeming wrote: You have a strange definition of ``for free'', William. There are 295 files in the Qt frontend totalling some 27,000 lines of code. And that's neglecting the .ui files that define the dialog structure. Yes, but all those lines and the QT front-end don't get one the same sort of user-experience and integration which ``just happens'' for NeXT/OPEN/GNUstep and Mac OS X. For those interested in such stats, the whole LyX source tree (neglecting non-Qt frontend code) comprises 970 files and 170,000 lines of code. The thing is *big* and doesn't need to get any bigger. I thought that the whole point to GUI-Independence was that it would be possible to plug-in other front-ends w/o negatively impacting the back-end code? In particular, it'd jump-start native UTF-8 support. shrug Most modern toolkits have unicode support. So what? The Qt frontend has native unicode support and works today. /shrug Not on Mac OS X in any way I can fathom. The Edit menu in 1.40 pre2 doesn't have a ``Special characters'' entry, nor is there any way to choose an input method AFAICT. I just tried switching to the Korean keyboard and it totally disabled typing in. Maybe this works in Linux, but I haven't had that installed since the last time I installed mklinux on my wife's PowerMac at home for a contract job. Swiching the LyX internals over to unicode is the big plan for a 1.5 release. The fun will come in getting unicode to fit seemlessly with LaTeX. You're something of a LaTeX expert, no? I'm sure you could point out some of the problems. (To the lyx-devel list please.) I'll try to resubscribe and see if I can help out. Short version is it'd be ideal if there were a cross-platform version of XeTeX (http://scripts.sil.org/xetex) available now to make use of Thanks! William -- William Adams, publishing specialist voice - 717-731-6707 | Fax - 717-731-6708 www.atlis.com
Re: Forget Windows
On Nov 8, 2005, at 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to create a translation code internally, to handle the differences in GUIs? I have (almost) finshed the translation of Qt strings. It would be useful, If I could reuse all of them, without doublecating thoose strings. This is one of the things one could get ``for free'' w/ a move to NeXT/OPEN/GNUstep/Cocoa, since it has a facility for dealing with this. William -- William Adams, publishing specialist voice - 717-731-6707 | Fax - 717-731-6708 www.atlis.com
Re: Re[2]: Forget Windows
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Ingar As a translator I have to say that the number of toolkits Ingar increase the amount of work for the translators as well. Ingar Different toolsets have different ways to specify shortcuts and Ingar each have to be translated manually. JML Note we could make an effort to change this: use the shortcut JML notation everywhere and avoid gratuitous differences between JML frontends. Is it possible to create a translation code internally, to handle the differences in GUIs? I have (almost) finshed the translation of Qt strings. It would be useful, If I could reuse all of them, without doublecating thoose strings. Now, I have to copy/paste, change shortcut, verify, etc. We could make it simplier, by making a string convertion for every GUI. It doesn't actually make anybody's life easier because the different frontends do actually have subtly different dialogs and messages. If you want to support only Qt, then do so. I'm firmly of the opinion that we should ditch XForms and force the Gtk frontend to be self sufficient. If it survives, great, but let's not invest too much of our own time on it. Angus (slightly millitant, largely retired and probably irrelevant :-))
