Re: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo?
Dan, I have a fairly full complement of lenses, so I'll take a stab at it. I would pick the FA *24 f:2.0 and the FA *85 f:1.4. This basically covers a large part of what I shoot. I find teleconverters mostly useful on longer lenses, so don't know if I would bother here. I would miss my FA *200 f:2.8 and my FA 100 f:2.8 Macro. You make it more difficult limiting it to two. Bruce Dayton Thursday, December 06, 2001, 8:18:45 AM, you wrote: DS> We haven't a good equipment argument make the rounds for awhile. DS> My question, DS> if you had to limit yourself to two (2) Pentax _primes_ and one (1) Pentax DS> teleconverter, which ones and why? (i.e. how would that combo support your DS> style of photography better than some other combo?) DS> Anyone game? DS> Dan Scott DS> [EMAIL PROTECTED] DS> - DS> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, DS> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to DS> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
The perfect gift for the modern PDMLer
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1045022576 A good way to deal with the current flame wars in the list... j = -- Juan J. Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: HOLY CRAP - eBay auction
What amazes me is that anyone would want to spend not inconsiderable sums on acquiring such a range of classic cameras and then _never_ put even one film through them. I certainly could never resist the temptation. And then of course, they get 'stiff' - like my old bones if I sit at this computer too darned long! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of frank theriault > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: HOLY CRAP - eBay auction > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1303216130 > > Maybe if we all chipped in... > > regards, > frank > > -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo?
Hi ... thanks for the update on the zooms - or are they variable focus lenses? I can never remember which. I'd be interested in other comments on comparing the K24/3.5 v K24/2.8 Chris Brogden wrote: > I used it a fair bit, but not a lot. I like the 4x6's I've seen from it, > but I haven't had anything enlarged from it yet. It fared much better > than the A24-50/4 in a casual test I did, but I determined later that the > 24-50 focuses past infinity, possibly because of a misaligned element, so > that could make a difference. In any case, I've decided to sell the > 24-50. It's a hard decision whether to go with the 24-35, or with both a > K24/3.5 (which I have) and a K35/2 (would need to find). > > > What's with the K24/3.5? is it like the 24/2.8 in regard to image > > quality? > > I know nothing about the 24/2.8, unfortunately, so I can't say for > sure. The 24/3.5 is a hellishly sharp lens, though. I like it a lot, but > I can't justify keeping both it and the 24-35. Anyone looking for a > K24/3.5? Or an A24-50/4, for that matter? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/xmas-story.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Exciting project
- Original Message - From: "Mike Johnston" < Subject: Exciting project > P.S. Just out of curiosity, how many people here have actual portfolios that > are complete and finished? As much as a portfolio is ever finished. I have 2 that I use on the rare occasion that someone expresses an interest in paying me to shoot something. One is a mix of black and white and colour studio work for the wedding and portrait jobs (thankfully, it doesn't get out much these days), and the other is a bunch of 11 x 14 fine prints that I have put into a portfolio case. I show this to people just to prove I can set a spirit level to keep a horizon straight. Its actually amazing how many jobs I pick up with the latter book. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Exciting project
I'm getting back to a really exciting project... A few years ago I decided to do a portfolio of my "100 Best 35mm Prints." Before I even started on it, I moved house and had to give up my darkroom. So last night I decided to get back to it. A lot of times I leaf through stacks of prints and think I'm really not a very good shooter, because so much of it is average. But when I start actually physically pulling out the candidates for the "100 Best" and putting them in a pile, it starts looking like have a lot more good stuff than I thought. So far I've got 165 prints in the "possible" pile and I haven't even gone through all my boxes of prints yet, never mind going back to proofs. I know of at least four pictures that I can think of that are among my all-time favorites that I haven't found yet. This is really pretty exciting and a lot of fun--I'd recommend it! Once I really started getting critical and just picking out the shots I really like, and SEPARATING them from everything else, the stuff starts looking a lot stronger. I don't think I've ever done this before. This is going to be a HECK of an editing process. Even being picky, I could have 300 prints in the "possibles" pile before the dust clears (literally...a lot of this stuff is buried in cardboard boxes in the basement...I'm sneezing a lot ) and it's not going to be easy to cut it down to 100. I wish y'all could help! --Mike P.S. Just out of curiosity, how many people here have actual portfolios that are complete and finished? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax S1a Question
Just been playing around with my newly aquired S1a, and have a couple of questions. As I mentioned the frame counter does not function properly and it's as if the sring inside is weak, is this easy to repair? Also is it normal to have the mirror 'lock up', after focusing and winding on the film? Where can I find info on the S1a? James - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
LX screens in MX, thanks.
> Hungary! I've been in Vienna twice but never been able to travel > to Budapest or even across the border. Next time I'll plan a > longer journey... You should come. It is really pretty. In fact I started Photography here in Lincoln, NE. Talk about boring (especially without a car) I can't wait to get home where there is just so much to shoot. > What do you study? International business as an undergrad and polisci as grad. I am in between the two. 3 of my classes are undergrad finishing my degree, 2 are grad starting the other degree. Next semester I will take off though to work for one of the political parties until the elections. (campaign consulting job) > I mean the eyepiece, not the eyecup... What I mean was that I did notice the problem of not seeing the whole screen when I used an eyecup. It is probbaly similar effect the your glasses :)) > Step by step you'll do anything... There is no kind of > photography truly hard (well... there may be a couple of > exceptions...). Well getting what you really want on the infrared film and getting some of thos planets right sure don't seem to be easy. > I really cannot help you much as I do not astrophotography (only > once a year or so...), but i can quote from > http://www.euronet.nl/~pimr/lxfsmain.html#main_table > > " 1 Focusing with SD-11 and SD-21 > I don't know anything about their application, so I'll just > quote from the Operating Manual. "When focusing with these > screens, while looking through the viewfinder, place the subject > you want to focus on in the central cross hairs, and focus the > lens. When the subject does not come off the central cross hairs > even if you have moved your eyes slightly to the right or left, > your subject is then in focus. The SD-11 is suited for > astrophotography and photomicrography, and if used for other > purposes, or depending on the telescope or microscope to be used > with, the corners of the frame may be darkened." " Woow. Sounds hard, but I am sure I will get a hang of it. I don't know if I will have the opportunity to do astro in the near or even distant future. So I guess it is not that important anyway. We have a solar eclipse on the 14th (not complete) and as soon as the mood goes away I was planning to take a few pictures of Jupiter, but my MX died since. > If your purpose is to use your "normal" lenses (even the not so > normal 50-250/4) and not a telescope I should warn you: not use > one of the new (and expensive) screens for the LX (the -60/-69 > ones). They won't fit your needs and you'll be disappointed. > > Go for a screen designed for "general purpose" (the SC-21, SA-21 > et simila). OK, thx. > Have a look at > http://www.euronet.nl/~pimr/fscrntab.html > for an idea of the compatibilty of the screens with the various > lenses. Thanks. Good site. > I would have a hard time trying to take a photo without glasses: > I press the camera with a certain effort on my right eye and my > nose to hold it steady (I usually shot handheld even with 1/8, > 1/4s). 1/8 I do too. > If I didn't wear glasses I'd change the shape of my nose > and would need to clean up the eyepiece after every shot. This That happends a lot to me :)) Actually when you have it so close to your eye, it is harder to notice if the eyepiece is not prestine clean. > way I only have to change the right lens of my glasses on a > regular basis (you cannot imagine how can a camera induce > scratches on glass...). :)) I can imagine... > I can suggest the SE-60 coupled with the SC-21 or SA-21. The > last two were my most used screens on my LXs before I could put > the hands on the SC-69 (do not use this one in the MX for normal > shooting!). OK makes sence. So I can get the SE-60 for the tele and the super tele and get the SC-21 or SA-21 for all other applications. (SC-21 I guess I would prefer) I just wish they would have a screen with no markings (but especially no micropsims or split prism) that is good for the MX. The SE-20 has a circle in the middle but no microprisim. Do you think that would work? Or is it worth putting up with this at all? Is it better to use LX screens in the MX then MX screens? > Screens get scratched. That's what they do best... :-) I did find this out the hard way... Screens suck :)) thx L Levente -Levi- Littvay University of Nebraska-Lincoln -- PGP public key: http://www.kign.org/levilpub.asc Key fingerprint: 8BD8 3CE7 FB1D 625F F268 BFCE 417A C20C 92BF 6225 -- Download free PGP e-mail security software: http://www.pgpi.org/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Aperture selection on camera body - PZ1p
>I'm too tired to conduct another test tonight, so I'll ask the >simplest questions: does the EV difference (aperture selected by >thumbwheel as compared to aperture selected at aperture ring) occur >only wide open, or wide open and stopped down, or only when stopped >down? I have had 2 Z-1p (1 now) and both with the same problem (or not a problem at all to some). Some lenses are pretty accurate, and some with differences. For those with differences, the differences apply to all aperture setting, not just wide opened or stopped down. >Is the variation predictable and repeatable at a given F-stop for a >specific lens model and camera model? Or does it vary for each lens of >a given model, much as the optical performance of each sample of a >given lens varies slightly? I am not sure on this, but I suspect the Z-1p was the problem. Asking for perfect calibration in this situation seems impossible to me (consider there have been so many K mount lenses over the years). >Does you expereience of 2/3 EV variation mean plus-or-minus 2/3 EV for >a 4/3 EV range, or plus-or-minus 1/3 EV for a 2/3 EV range? 0 to -2/3EV only on film. >Thanks if you can relate your experience on any of my questions. I >will try out some tests for myself this weekend. I'm always willing to >learn something new to help reduce unnecessary variables in my >exposures. Just set your lens at 'A', choose the widest aperture on the Z-1p (f1.4 etc), fire the shutter and you will see. regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Got my 2nd black MX
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1304270415 According to the description, the worst things are the screen and the foam. I wanted to try an LX screen on an MX anyway, and for $67 it doesn't seem like a bad deal... How much is a new screen anyway? j = -- Juan J. Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My new toy...
Paul S. wrote: > Sometimes, when I've had a bit too much of the > single malt, and I just feel like admiring a camera, I'll mount that 135 > on an LX, set it down on the table, and just step back and admire it. > Sick, isn't it? : ) Not around here. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo?
Dan Scott wrote: > If limited to two lenses, I think I'd pass on the 85/1.4. The FA 100/2.8 > macro covers that end of the portrait range (if somewhat mercilessly) AND > allows the "up-close and personal" pov I want for plants and bugs. More > useful. I'm a big macro fan so the FA 100/2.8 macro would instantly be on my list. > However, the FA 35/2 would definitely be part of my kit. It's my fav > family, friends, and scenic lens. Great for portraits, too. I was trying to decide between the FA24/2 and the 43mm Limited, and totally overlooked the K35/3.5... So my picks would be the FA100/2.8 Macro and the K35/3.5, and don't bother with a TC. Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My new toy...
PAUL STENQUIST wrote: > I have the K 135/2.5, and it is one of my favorites. I have one but I don't use it enough as the FA100/2.8 macro is so versatile. I think this weekend I'll take the LX for a walk with K135/2.5, K50/1.2, A*85/1.4 and K35/2.5. And make sure I shoot with all of them. I have to return the LX to its owner soon so I'd better make good use of it :) As others have said, the "K" lenses are mechanically the best-built of all the bayonet stuff. Even better than A* lenses, IMO. Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My new toy...
Jose Rodriguez wrote: > Gianfranco, > > Congratulations on your "New" K 135/2.5. I have this lens also and I > am very impressed with the results. I agree with Shel's opinion of "K" > Series Lenses; that is why I now own only "K" Series Lenses I just purchase one of these little chappies also, am off to a ballet esteifford(?) to give it a test tonight. Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: monopods
on 12/6/01 10:19 PM, wendy beard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dear All, > Not so long back, but many many messages ago there was a brief discussion > about tripods and monopods. SNIP > I'm going to look in the local camera store as well, but the adorama one > aroused my curiosity. > My personal two favorites are: Bogen 3018 when I plan to use it. Complete with ball head. Tracks Sherlock walking stick. When I'm out walking and tuck a camera in my pocket. JeffW. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: monopods with feet?????????
Does any one have any experience with the Manfrotto monopod that has little feet at the bottom? http://www.manfrotto.com/products/index.html?doc_from=home i assume the legs are removeable to use it as a normal monopod? I also am getting one for xmas :) For travelling it seems like a good compromise between a tripod and a normal monopod. Thanks, Paul Jones - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: Re: monopods > Hi, Wendy, > > I don't know much about monopods, except that I have one. It's a Manfrotto > 479B. I know there's at least one (maybe more) that's sturdier, with thicker > tubing, and a bigger foam grip. But for $60 Cdn (I think it was on sale), I'm > happy with it. I think it's good enough for a light camera such as my > Spotmatic. > > But that's not really why I responded to your post. What I really want to know > is: What's an "agility pic". All sorts of weird images are racing through my > mind! > > thanks and regards, > frank > > wendy beard wrote: > > > Dear All, > > Not so long back, but many many messages ago there was a brief discussion > > about tripods and monopods. > > I sort of vaguely remember Dave asking about monopods for his horsey pics. > > (forgive me if I'm wrong, the hour is late and I'm getting old) > > Was there any sort of consensus reached about what the best makes were? I'm > > going to be using it for agility pics, both inside and outdoors. And it's > > going to be a Christmas present (not from me to me but from someone else to > > me!) > > I read a good write up in Pop Photography about the Adorama Podmatic 5 > > Section Monopod, which was their Version Of The Linhof Monomatic. > > Does anyone have one of these? Know anything about them? > > I'm going to look in the local camera store as well, but the adorama one > > aroused my curiosity. > > > > tvm > > Wendy > > > > --- > > Wendy & Paul Beard > > Ottawa, Canada > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > -- > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert > Oppenheimer > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
If you'd been on this list for at least three or so years, you'd have realized that truth is irrelevant to Mafud when he has erred on a statement of fact. Mafud's rules: 1.Mafud is never wrong concerning any fact. 2.If Mafud is ever wrong concerning any fact, reread rule number. The only thing left to do is just bait him slightly and watch the tirade. It's a hoot. FYI, Mafud is not stupid (he's quite intelligent), nor is he malicious. You are observing a personality disorder. He can't help it, so this behavior always eventually manifests itself. Regards, Bob... "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event." - Samuel Adams, 1771 From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Mike Johnston wrote: > > > Mafud wrote: > > > > > It appears I was correct in my assertions. No way would a "pro lab" (any) do > > > digital for the same price as film. > > > > To get some actual data for this discussion, I called two different labs in > > Milwaukee, where I live. Both are full-service photographic labs that also > > do digital. > [snip] > > So, my good Mafud, if you expect me to believe that, IN YOUR AREA, no > > lab of any sort (custom, wedding, Wal-Mart) would do digital prints as > > inexpensively as prints from film, you are going to have to go get a > > little actual data and quote me verifiable numbers. If you won't, then > > I'm comfortable concluding that your statements on this topic are > > baseless. > > Thanks, Mike. I'm tempted to side with Aaron and say that Mafud is doing > this out of some sort of petty maliciousness, but I dunno... there's a > good chance that he really *is* that stupid. *L* Anyway, if the pro labs > that Isaac, Aaron and I quoted him didn't do the trick, maybe this will. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo?
On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Have you used it much yet? How do you like it compared to the A24~50? I used it a fair bit, but not a lot. I like the 4x6's I've seen from it, but I haven't had anything enlarged from it yet. It fared much better than the A24-50/4 in a casual test I did, but I determined later that the 24-50 focuses past infinity, possibly because of a misaligned element, so that could make a difference. In any case, I've decided to sell the 24-50. It's a hard decision whether to go with the 24-35, or with both a K24/3.5 (which I have) and a K35/2 (would need to find). > What's with the K24/3.5? is it like the 24/2.8 in regard to image > quality? I know nothing about the 24/2.8, unfortunately, so I can't say for sure. The 24/3.5 is a hellishly sharp lens, though. I like it a lot, but I can't justify keeping both it and the 24-35. Anyone looking for a K24/3.5? Or an A24-50/4, for that matter? chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
- Original Message - From: "Aaron Reynolds" < Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers > > I've visited our outlab a bunch of times (UAF/PhotoClick in Weston, ON), > and have been quite impressed with the speed of the new Noritsus vs. the > Frontiers they have. The Frontier seemed more flexible, but boy was it > slow. Of course, both were faster than the old Noritsu I learned on, > where one-hour photo ACTUALLY TOOK ONE FULL HOUR! ;) We can take a film in from the customer, and have packaged prints about 18 minutes later. Quite amazing how these minilabs have progressed from being a bad joke 20 years ago to todays machines that can turn out a roll of individually colour and density corrected prints in just over a quarter hour. Our digital lab (unfortunately, I haven't had the opportunity to play with it yet) is not as fast, nor as high capacity, but, is capable of producing colour, density AND contrast corrected prints. It can also 100% custom crop up to a 12x18 inch print size. The print quality isn't quite there yet, but the machine will be upgraded as higher capacity scanners and finer resolution print heads become available. This really is where the future is heading, and it is quite exciting. This is as big a deal as the invention of the negative/positive printing process was in the 1850's , or the invention of the colour printing process in the 1950s. Oh yes, the prints are done on regular RA-4 colour paper, so granny just has to step outside if she really wants to look at her old pictures by the light of her house burning to the ground. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo?
On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:18:45 -0600, you wrote: >We haven't a good equipment argument make the rounds for awhile. > >My question, > >if you had to limit yourself to two (2) Pentax _primes_ and one (1) Pentax >teleconverter, which ones and why? (i.e. how would that combo support your >style of photography better than some other combo?) > >Anyone game? > >Dan Scott >[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd go for the A 50/1.2, the K 200/2.5, and the Pentax 1.7X AF adapter, mostly because I own these lenses and like them very much. That would give decent low light performance at 50mm; a moderate tele of 85mm (probably only good at f5.6); a fast 200mm; and a pretty good semi-AF 340mm lens. Lots of options. But I'd cheat and sneak an M-series 20/4 in the bag while Dan wasn't looking, then give him a good whack with the 600/4 I hid in the trunk if he complained about me cheating ;-) -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My new toy...
Gianfranco, Congratulations on your "New" K 135/2.5. I have this lens also and I am very impressed with the results. I agree with Shel's opinion of "K" Series Lenses; that is why I now own only "K" Series Lenses Regards, -- Jose R. Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pflugerville, TX Gianfranco Irlanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi gang, > > Since we are (almost...) back on topic, I'd like to share with > you the joy that my newly arrived K 135/2.5 is giving me... > I won this lens on eBay (from Germany) few weeks ago. The item > was described "like new", but when I opened the box what I saw > was a NEW K 135/2.5 put in a time machine and sent from the late > seventies directly here (and now)... > Not even a dust speck between the glass surfaces! > > I started to think that I don't need a 135/3.5, a 100/2.8 and a > couple of 70-210/4, after all... Even the huge and solid 105/2.5 > Vivitar macro(like new too) recently bought seems a poor thing > in comparison. > > If the pictures it takes compares to its shape and mechanical > feeling, well... I'm excited! > > I should give a better attention to all the other K series lens > auctions around eBay... > > Gianfranco > (happy, even when I think about all the money floating away...) > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > __ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Dec. favorites (not OT)
Thanks for the kind words Dan! Stan > From: Dan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Dec. favorites (not OT) > > Hi All, > > Finally got my new monitor (woo-hoo!) and revisited the December PUG. > > My favs in this months gallery: > > Bruce Dayton's "Amazing Grace"- ... > Gianfranco Irlanda's "The Party is Over" - ... > > Stan Halpin's "Yellow Flower - Yellow Bug" - my kind of subject (flower) > and my kind of subject (a bug) - just done better than I usually manage it > :-) > > William Robb's "Berries" - ... > Cotty's "Stefan Asleep, 2001" - ... > D. Glenn Arthur Jr.'s "kind of Busy" - ... > Jon Hope's "Byford Trials" - lovely image - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Aperture selection on camera body - PZ1p
On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:29:31 -0800, you wrote: snip >. If you checked your Z-1p carefully, you would >discovered the actual aperture selected on the camera was not that accuracy. >The accuracy is lens dependence. Up to 2/3 EV difference could be possible >based on my observation. I'm too tired to conduct another test tonight, so I'll ask the simplest questions: does the EV difference (aperture selected by thumbwheel as compared to aperture selected at aperture ring) occur only wide open, or wide open and stopped down, or only when stopped down? Is the variation predictable and repeatable at a given F-stop for a specific lens model and camera model? Or does it vary for each lens of a given model, much as the optical performance of each sample of a given lens varies slightly? Does you expereience of 2/3 EV variation mean plus-or-minus 2/3 EV for a 4/3 EV range, or plus-or-minus 1/3 EV for a 2/3 EV range? Thanks if you can relate your experience on any of my questions. I will try out some tests for myself this weekend. I'm always willing to learn something new to help reduce unnecessary variables in my exposures. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
Mafud, I don't believe the Media Specialties reference was a trap. Aaron was asking me the prices, since I named it as the lab I use here in town. It may be dinky, but it's the only place that does what they do. Tom C. > We don't ~have~ a "Media Specialties" where I live. How then could you (we) > possibly compare "Media Specialties" prices with (any) pro lab I might name > where ~I~ live? > I see the trap: you pick a dinky, low priced so-called "pro" lab and I pick > the "pro" lab I most often use. We then "compare" prices. You win. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo?
My picks would be the FA 43 f1.9 Limited and the FA 100 f2.8 macro and the F 1.7x AF-TC. (I'd never use the 43/1.9 with the teleconverter!) A good normal lens is a must and the 100mm would serve as a short tele as well as a macro. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Prices for Digital vs. Film at Media Specialities
I checked with my lab today on prices. I also got a lecture because I had turned in a roll of E6 that had been in the car cup holder. Coffee subsequently fell in the cupholder and I pulled out the canister immediately. Not soon enough. The felt and wicking action of the coiled film apparently sucks up liquid like an SUV sucks gas. Bad bad me. I'm glad they caught it before contaminating everything. THAT's an example of the kind of service I would expect of a "pro" lab vs. the chain stores here that do 2 hr E6 processing. Prices were identical for digital vs. film processing. You can get machine prints or custom prints. In all cases, all sizes, prices were identical. If you want to know the exact prices, I can transcribe them. They don't list digital vs. film separately in the price list even. It's the same price either way. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Mike Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes! > Mafud wrote: > > > It appears I was correct in my assertions. No way would a "pro lab" (any) do > > digital for the same price as film. > > > To get some actual data for this discussion, I called two different labs in > Milwaukee, where I live. Both are full-service photographic labs that also > do digital. > > One, Allied Digital Photo, caters more to the public and to lower-cost, > higher-volume pros such as portrait studios and wedding shooters. Its prices > for a print from a digital file, a conventional print from a negative, and a > conventional print from a slide are all exactly the same for any size up to > 10x15 inches: for example, $6.99 for an 8x10 and $13.99 for an 11x14. > > For all prints larger than 10x15 inches, whether it's from a digital file, > negative, or transparency, Allied sells only inkjet prints made on an Epson > 7500. > > Next, I called a full-service pro lab that does custom work and caters to > studio professionals, Enlargement Works. Here are its prices: > > 8x10 print from a color negative: $15 > 8x10 print from a digital file: $15 > 8x10 print from a transparency: $16 > > 11x14 print from a color negative: $28.50 > 11x14 print from a digital file: $28.50 > 11x14 print from a transparency: $29.50 > > These were the only two labs I called--I did not call several labs and pick > only the data that fit my purposes. > > These are both dedicated photo businesses that offer a range of photo > services and do all their work on premises. > > So, my good Mafud, if you expect me to believe that, IN YOUR AREA, no lab of > any sort (custom, wedding, Wal-Mart) would do digital prints as > inexpensively as prints from film, you are going to have to go get a little > actual data and quote me verifiable numbers. If you won't, then I'm > comfortable concluding that your statements on this topic are baseless. > > --Mike > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sigma 100-300 F/4
> I do currently have a Ricoh 210-70 f/3.9 though. I'm looking for something a > little bigger. > > Anyone with a 300mm or 400mm manual at f/4 ? or even 400mm at 5.6. > Look for a used (because it is discontinued) Tokina ATX-AF 400 f5.6. It is a good, sharp lens for a moderate price. It is also lightweight. It is a bit soft at f5.6, but quite good after that. Joe - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Variable aperture zoom question (on topic shurely)
On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:13:26 GMT, you wrote: >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > >"I'll say this and no more: when you ~manually~ set the aperture, the >"variable aperture" becomes a "preset" (by you) aperture. Nothing you do >while zooming will (can) change the aperture until (you) change it to a >different setting. **And it does not matter whether you set it wide open or >close it down all the way. The aperture CANNOT (does not) change until you >change it-period." > > >Er... simply, **this** (is) ~wrong~ -period. >Regards >Jim Brooks How right you are, Jim. Selecting F8 at the aperture ring will give F11 at the tele end of a variable aperture zoom, assuming the zoom varies by a whole stop. Of course, one might not notice this difference in the viewfinder of a Super Program or other camera that reads in full stops, if the variable aperture zoom varies by only one stop; but one would certainly notice the exposure difference in the resulting slides if one used the same selected Tv and aperture ring Av at the tele end as at the wide end. I don't know if the aperture blades actually close during zooming (I think not) so someone could argue that "the aperture really doesn't change" but in fact, as the word aperture is commonly used in an exposure and DOF connotation by photographers, the aperture actually does change, even if it is only the "relative" aperture as stated in F-stops rather than the physical diameter of the iris opening. In other words, selecting F8 at the aperture ring will give F11 at the tele end of a variable aperture zoom, assuming the zoom is one which the manufacturer says has a nominal one-stop variation such as the very common f4-f5.6. I don't think angels dancing on the end of a pin can confuse the difference between F8 and F11, but I'm sure someone will try to say that F8 ~actually is~ F11 in *all* circumstances, and if I were only a ~good~ *professional* photographer I would know that by heart, or else I should be out taking photos instead of testing variable aperture zoom aperture behavior. Here's how I did the test: I took out a couple of cameras, variable aperture zooms, and fixed aperture zooms. Then I set the aperture to F8 on every zoom. Then I set each lens to its widest setting. Then I took a reading using center weight of a light, evenly illuminated, wide wall, using each lens on each camera. Then I set each lens to its longest setting, and repeated the tests. In every case, the proper exposure for the fixed aperture zoom was the same whether at wide or long end; the proper exposure for the variable aperture lens was one stop different at the long end than at the wide end. So, in my small sample test, the variable aperture zoom varies the effective aperture when zooming from wide to tele, despite the fact that the desired aperture is fixed on the aperture ring. And the PZ1p and MZ-7 actually display this difference in the viewfinder. Selecting F8 at the aperture ring shows a value of F8 in the viewfinder when zoomed to the wide end; when zoomed to the long end, the value in the viewfinder gradually migrates to F11. In other words, as I zoomed to the long end I could see the exposure bar graph descending and the aperture readout changing from f8 to f9.5 and finally to f11. Lenses tested: variable aperture zooms: F 70-210/4-5.6; FA 28-105/4-5.6 (original Power Zoom version); Vivitar 28-105/2.8-3.8 (manual focus); Fixed aperture zooms: F 24-50/4; 35-70/2.8 (old original AF for the ME-F). Cameras: PZ1p; MZ-7 I'd like someone with a constant aperture zoom that goes to 100mm or longer try this same test, and let me know the results. And someone else with a variable aperture zoom with a manufacturer's stated nominal variation of more than one f-stop range (say, 100-500/f4.5-7.3) conduct a small test to see if the effective aperture varies by the same amount as the stated range of variability of the zoom. In conclusion, if anyone thinks their variable aperture zoom fixed at F8 on the aperture ring will shoot at F8 when zoomed to tele, they should keep their camera on autopilot, or meter again and adjust shutter speed downward at the tele end, or just leave the shutterspeed alone and trust the wide exposure latitude of print film, lest they suffer from underexposed negs. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re:Pentax
>William Robb wrote: > > > What I didn't like was the user interface, though > > I just don't recall exactly why. It just had too much stuff on > > it for me. Yep, me too. And I've just bought one. Too many fiddly things. I hate the idea of having to read a manual to figure out how to work something. And what's more, it looks totally ridiculous with a silver 43mm limited on it. And something I discovered which you wouldn't probably notice if you were handling one in the shop (because they dont usually have the strap mounted) - the neck strap and mounting get in the way of my index finger and it makes for awkward shooting. This really spoils it for me. The user interface, I could get used to. But I don't relish getting cramp in my hand every time I pick the camera up. I'm really disappointed with it. Wendy (who's actually glad she didn't get rid of her minolta 600si AF setup to fund this purchase. Isn't that a terrible thing to say on a Pentax list!) --- Wendy & Paul Beard Ottawa, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
Hi Paul, Would you consider the metering system to be generally more accurate than say the multisegment in the MZ series cameras? Regards, Paul Jones - Original Message - From: "PAUL STENQUIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Pentax > The LX 's off-the-film metering in aperture priority mode (that's with stepless > shutter) will help give you the proof in pictures. There are far more > sophisticated metering systems. But I have never encountered one that works > better. And, of course, the LX's solid feel will inspire you to produce better > photographs. It works. We've tried it. > Paul > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > the LX requires no enabling chatter. All you have to do > > is go into a store and pick one up and hold it for a moment. > > > > So, if I stay out of the stores and don't meet any of you with an LX I'm > > safe? Hum, sounds simple enough. > > But I must admit all the talk and the reverent tones used when speaking of > > this camera, has aroused curiosity. Perhaps I should check out oneafter > > Christmas. > > It will make me feel like a good photographer? Ahh, but the proof (of a good > > photographer) is in the pictures! > > Julie > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: test
Because it's a test of your will-power, and you failed miserably. . frank theriault wrote: > > Even if someone puts "test" in the subject line, why can't I resist > opening the e-mail? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/xmas-story.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
It wasn't really said for your benefit. Regards, Bob... "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event." - Samuel Adams, 1771 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In a message dated 12/6/01 12:07:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > > > It never takes too long for who and what you are to come out. Thanks for > > being true to > > form, Mafud. I'd advise you to find a good therapist, but "Narcissists have > > no faults", > > and the cure rate is abysmally low anyway. > > > > > > How much are you going to bill me for that condescending, ersatz diagnosis > Bob? > As much as it's worth? > Then I don't owe you squat. > > Mafud > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: mail-archive.com
Not for those of us who read your message, or who are familiar with those lenses. "Juan J. Buhler" wrote: > Think of all the bargain K85 and K30s that will go unbought because of > the lack of a PDML archive! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/xmas-story.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My new toy...
PAUL STENQUIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have the K 135/2.5, and it is one of my favorites. The only other lens > I own that equals it is the K 85/1.8. The 135 produces beautiful > photographs to be certain, but it's value is partly aesthetic. It's a > magnificent specimen. Sometimes, when I've had a bit too much of the > single malt, and I just feel like admiring a camera, I'll mount that 135 > on an LX, set it down on the table, and just step back and admire it. > Sick, isn't it? : ) Well, Paul... No, not at all... It's no more sick than talking about it at 2:19 AM anyway... As an aside, I must confess that my aesthetic capabilities improve when supported by a glass of Cointreau... :-) Gianfranco (time to sleep, tomorrow is a long day!) = Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR
Mike Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Kent G. wrote: > >> I agree completely. Smaller chip size is often preferable because the same >> aspect ratio can be done with a smaller lighter lens. Whether anybody >> settles on 1.3x or 1.6x remains to be seen. > >Kents, >I know you're agreeing with ME here so for me to agree right back again is >getting a little ridiculous, but I just wanted to second this. I truly think >that the opportunity to standardize on a smaller chip size is one of the >great opportunities of the digital revolution, for the very reason you >mention--smaller, lighter, faster, cheaper lenses. Just so we're clear on this: I don't think anyone should standardize on *any* one size CCD. The beauty is there's no need to. I won't buy a digital SLR until I can get one with a 24 x 36 CCD because I love my present wide angles too much. But there's room in the marketplace for smaller CCD cameras as *well* as full-frame. I'd consider a smaller CCD camera as a *second* digital body (when prices come down far enough) because of the advantages you mention. But it'd never be my first choice. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: mail-archive.com
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote: > I agree. I have a PDML Mail folder with lots of sub-folders. But sometimes > you don't know in advance that you'll want to read it later. A few months ago, when I found the K85/1.8 for $170 dollars, I didn't really know how good the lens was. The price seemed low for an 85mm, but still I wasn't sure how much of a bargain that was. I went to the nearest public library (I was in another town) and looked it up in the PDML archives. Found a few references to that lens and to the K30/2.8 I had just also seen for $99. Needless to say, I got them both. Think of all the bargain K85 and K30s that will go unbought because of the lack of a PDML archive! :-) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My new toy...
I'm convinced that the build quality if the K-lenses is superior to any lenses pentax made afterwards. Optically, some may be the best lenses Pentax has ever made, certainly amongst the best. One may argue that they do not offer as much saturation or contrast than some newer lenses, and I can't argue that point not being much of a color shooter. But I'll put them up against any other lenses on the planet WRT B&W work. There is something very nice and solid about the way they feel, too. Juan, I meant to ask you about the 30/2.8. How do you think it compares to the 28/3.5 and the 35/3.5? "Juan J. Buhler" wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: > > > I should give a better attention to all the other K series lens > > auctions around eBay... > > You wouldn't be the first... I also got a number of K-series lenses > this year, they are great. The only "like new" one I have is the > 24/3.5, but my brassed-with-perfect-glass 30/2.8 and 85/1.8 are > great too... -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/xmas-story.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My new toy...
Juan J. Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: > > > I should give a better attention to all the other K series lens > > auctions around eBay... > > You wouldn't be the first... I also got a number of K-series lenses > this year, they are great. The only "like new" one I have is the > 24/3.5, but my brassed-with-perfect-glass 30/2.8 and 85/1.8 are > great too... > > Congratulations on the 135. Thanks Juan. I've read good things about the 24/3.5. I almost decided (at least, after the arrival of the 135...) that my favorite lens is the 24/2.8 (mine it's a K with the M lens finish). I wonder how do they compare. 24, 30 and 85 seem the perfect reportage trio... Is there any shot on your site taken with the 30 yet? I'm curious. Gianfranco = Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: test
Hi Frank, I can`t resist either, you never know what could be in that email :) Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: Re: test > Even if someone puts "test" in the subject line, why can't I resist > opening the e-mail? > > -frank > > Steven Larson wrote: > > > test > > Steve Larson > > Redondo Beach, California > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > -- > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The > pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert > Oppenheimer > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My new toy...
I have the K 135/2.5, and it is one of my favorites. The only other lens I own that equals it is the K 85/1.8. The 135 produces beautiful photographs to be certain, but it's value is partly aesthetic. It's a magnificent specimen. Sometimes, when I've had a bit too much of the single malt, and I just feel like admiring a camera, I'll mount that 135 on an LX, set it down on the table, and just step back and admire it. Sick, isn't it? : ) Paul Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: > Hi gang, > > Since we are (almost...) back on topic, I'd like to share with > you the joy that my newly arrived K 135/2.5 is giving me... > I won this lens on eBay (from Germany) few weeks ago. The item > was described "like new", but when I opened the box what I saw > was a NEW K 135/2.5 put in a time machine and sent from the late > seventies directly here (and now)... > Not even a dust speck between the glass surfaces! > > I started to think that I don't need a 135/3.5, a 100/2.8 and a > couple of 70-210/4, after all... Even the huge and solid 105/2.5 > Vivitar macro(like new too) recently bought seems a poor thing > in comparison. > > If the pictures it takes compares to its shape and mechanical > feeling, well... I'm excited! > > I should give a better attention to all the other K series lens > auctions around eBay... > > Gianfranco > (happy, even when I think about all the money floating away...) > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My new toy...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: > I should give a better attention to all the other K series lens > auctions around eBay... You wouldn't be the first... I also got a number of K-series lenses this year, they are great. The only "like new" one I have is the 24/3.5, but my brassed-with-perfect-glass 30/2.8 and 85/1.8 are great too... Congratulations on the 135. j -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
The LX 's off-the-film metering in aperture priority mode (that's with stepless shutter) will help give you the proof in pictures. There are far more sophisticated metering systems. But I have never encountered one that works better. And, of course, the LX's solid feel will inspire you to produce better photographs. It works. We've tried it. Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > the LX requires no enabling chatter. All you have to do > is go into a store and pick one up and hold it for a moment. > > So, if I stay out of the stores and don't meet any of you with an LX I'm > safe? Hum, sounds simple enough. > But I must admit all the talk and the reverent tones used when speaking of > this camera, has aroused curiosity. Perhaps I should check out oneafter > Christmas. > It will make me feel like a good photographer? Ahh, but the proof (of a good > photographer) is in the pictures! > Julie > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo?
> I've been faced with situations where I needed a long lens and a fairly > wide lens, but didn't want to take a bag big enough for my 400. In those > cases, I pack my M200/4, an AS2X converter, and the M35/2. However, I have > never tried the 35 with the converter. But with a range of 35, 200, and > 400, I can get by on certain situations that require long lenses but offer > some medium wide shots as well. Paul Stenquist - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
teleconverter 2x
(With apologize to Mike)(i'm a long lenser :-) ) I recently inherited my Dad's camera equipment the hard way,and 1 piece in the bag is a 2x converter. Out side markings as follows: N.P.S. 2x converter lens made in japa It does not say Pentax on it anywere but it has the same knarl grip the Taks have so i think it might be as he rarely bought 3rd party. My ??? is,does the converter affect the meter reading of the camera(screwmount conveter so using SP500 or the SP or S3)or will the meter give a proper output. Also will it "soften"my primes or should they stay fairly sharp. Thanks in advance Dave Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: A PDML luncheon.
frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: > > > > > It'd be nice to have you all here. So I could take hundred of > > shots of people who I'm pretty sure won't hate me for this... > > Okay, but I'm only authorizing you to take pictures of my hands, arms > and legs! Oh yeah, you live in Italy, not France... I'm not sure with our recent laws if I'd be authorized to portray even your fingers... :( I'm an outlaw, BTW. I shoot people in the streets almost everyday... > > > > I'm afraid I cannot host you all... :-( > > Maybe not all at once! :-) I've never been to Europe, though, and I > keep promising myself that I will, one of these days. Rest assured that > Naples will be on my list of places to go to. You may well regret your > "invitation"!! ;-) I won't. I promise (finger crossed...). :-) Gianfranco Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
My new toy...
Hi gang, Since we are (almost...) back on topic, I'd like to share with you the joy that my newly arrived K 135/2.5 is giving me... I won this lens on eBay (from Germany) few weeks ago. The item was described "like new", but when I opened the box what I saw was a NEW K 135/2.5 put in a time machine and sent from the late seventies directly here (and now)... Not even a dust speck between the glass surfaces! I started to think that I don't need a 135/3.5, a 100/2.8 and a couple of 70-210/4, after all... Even the huge and solid 105/2.5 Vivitar macro(like new too) recently bought seems a poor thing in comparison. If the pictures it takes compares to its shape and mechanical feeling, well... I'm excited! I should give a better attention to all the other K series lens auctions around eBay... Gianfranco (happy, even when I think about all the money floating away...) Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: A PDML luncheon.
Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: > > It'd be nice to have you all here. So I could take hundred of > shots of people who I'm pretty sure won't hate me for this... Okay, but I'm only authorizing you to take pictures of my hands, arms and legs! Oh yeah, you live in Italy, not France... > > > I'm afraid I cannot host you all... :-( Maybe not all at once! :-) I've never been to Europe, though, and I keep promising myself that I will, one of these days. Rest assured that Naples will be on my list of places to go to. You may well regret your "invitation"!! ;-) regards, frank -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: A PDML luncheon.
frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gee, is Gianfranco inviting us all to Naples for a get-together? If this > month's PUG submission is any indication, we'll all have wonderful photos of > the party as momentos. Well... why not? Low season, of course! :-) It'd be nice to have you all here. So I could take hundred of shots of people who I'm pretty sure won't hate me for this... :-D I'm afraid I cannot host you all... :-( > > Maybe if I can restrain myself from buying $65,000 dollars worth of lizard-skin > covered Leicas on eBay, I'll have enough for the trip (along with enough money > left over to bring a couple of bottles of wine for good measure). > > :-) Think of all the lizards that will be thankful if you do not induce other people to kill their fellows just to cover cold metal man-made things... Ciao! Gianfranco Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Dec. favorites (not OT)
Dan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > Finally got my new monitor (woo-hoo!) and revisited the December PUG. > > My favs in this months gallery: (...) > Gianfranco Irlanda's "The Party is Over" - very expressive. Even though > the faces are not visible, the posture, the gesture of the hands, the > decoration of the stage characterize and communicate the time, place and > action so well Hi Dan, Thanks for the kind words. It's amazing the amount of good comments this shot is collecting, it could even match "The Jewel"! And I almost wasn't submitting it... Ciao, Gianfranco Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: which 2 lenses and TC make the best combo?
well, since this is a hypothetical exercise . just send me the 600mm f4 and that 2000mm reflector w/ whichever 1.4x TC works best for 'em. I'll stick 'em on my trusty SuperProgram!:^) or ... the 165mm Macro(?) and 800mm for the 67 and the corresponding TC With these, it would be worth springing for a 67II and a 45mm ;^) Bill !8^D - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Bit of a correction...
On 6 Dec 2001 at 17:54, Rob Brigham wrote: > Which is why I said: > > 'a full frame CCD which had the same density as a smaller one (therefore > higher pixel count cos its bigger)' > > Full frame with same density as 5.25 2/3 size CCD would give 7.875MP. Not trying to be pedantic but a 2/3" CCD has a sensor dimensions of about 13.53mm x 10.17mm so ratiometricaly a CCD of 24mm x 36mm at the same pixel density (2/3" 5.25MP) would be 32.97MP Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: A PDML luncheon.
"Juan J. Buhler" wrote: > Believe me Gianfranco, it it were my decision, I'd be buying a ticket > to Napoli this afternoon... Gee, is Gianfranco inviting us all to Naples for a get-together? If this month's PUG submission is any indication, we'll all have wonderful photos of the party as momentos. Maybe if I can restrain myself from buying $65,000 dollars worth of lizard-skin covered Leicas on eBay, I'll have enough for the trip (along with enough money left over to bring a couple of bottles of wine for good measure). :-) regards, frank > > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT :Re: test
Steven Larson wrote: > OK, I won`t ask. Any good flamin`? Hi, Steve, Whaddya you think? ;-) regards, frank -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: A PDML luncheon.
Matamoros, Cesar A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Thank you for the greeting. I guess you can say that the LX is my gift to > myself - as I ignore all the screwmount lenses I got recently. What a bad guy to ignore all that little screwmount lenses... :-) > My hope is to make it to Italy in the near future again. This time without > a tour group and truly enjoy. Of course that would mean a PDML meeting or > two :-) > You are always welcome! Ciao, Gianfranco Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: test
Even if someone puts "test" in the subject line, why can't I resist opening the e-mail? -frank Steven Larson wrote: > test > Steve Larson > Redondo Beach, California > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Happy Birthday Alfred Eisenstaedt! OT
Hi, Dan, Your description is accurate, except that he had forgotten all about the four photos he took of that couple, until the next day when his editor, after getting the shots back from the lab, gushed to Eisie about the great shot he took. The rest, as they say, is history... regards, frank "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: > I read it some time ago. IIRC, he described seeing the sailor kissing every girl > in sight, and ran ahead of him to get a good angle on a lickly subject. When he > saw him grab the nurse, he knew he probably had a keeper. > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: A PDML luncheon.
Juan J. Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: > > > It' always nice to read when two PDMLers meet. > > I really had a great time when I met Juan and Boz, I hope this > > could happen more often. > > Believe me Gianfranco, it it were my decision, I'd be buying a ticket > to Napoli this afternoon... > The same for me to California (but why exclude the other states?)... Gianfranco Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
Damn these OT posts! But, since someone else started it, I own a few Spotmatic bodies and a various Takumar lenses. I like my Pentaxes, too. But if this OT garbage doesn't stop, I'm going to unsubscribe. Nya, nya, nya. :-) regards, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sorry for this OT post, but I really like Pentax cameras, lenses, etc, and > have taken some great pix over the years with them. I wonder if anyone else > shares my pov. > > Kind regards from sunny Brighton > > Peter > - -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo?
> > I know I would never go this route, but since you asked, my solution is: > > 24mm, 100mm macro, 2X-TC > > This will cover 24, 48, 100 and 200mm. > >Are you sure about this? I doubt any 24mm + 2x combo would give a usable >image. That's why I said I would never go this route. regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MX with LX screens, more elaboration.
LeviL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Hi Levi, > I am from > Hungary, I study in the states now. (at least for a few more days, until > the semester is over) > Hungary! I've been in Vienna twice but never been able to travel to Budapest or even across the border. Next time I'll plan a longer journey... What do you study? > Hmmm. I never had any problems like that. Well, I got my self an > eyepiece not long ago and with that I noticed the same thing I guess. I > just avoid using it unless I know it will be too bright for me to see the > lightmeter. I mean the eyepiece, not the eyecup... > > So I already have the Clear-glass with center cross (SD-11) screen. > Someone here was explaining how to focus with it. That I did not really > understand so I would appreciate some claification on that too. (remember > I am just an enthusiastic beginner who immediately wants to do all the fun > stuff, astro, infrared :)) I know I am ahead of the game) I can tell you > this. Step by step you'll do anything... There is no kind of photography truly hard (well... there may be a couple of exceptions...). > When I was taking pictures of Saturn with a telescope I did not see > jack but the split prism in the wa of focusing. Focusing is NOT EASY. (...) > > So I have a hard time seeing how I should condentrate on the center cross > or hair or whatever... I was glad to be alive and in focus last time I > did this. > I really cannot help you much as I do not astrophotography (only once a year or so...), but i can quote from http://www.euronet.nl/~pimr/lxfsmain.html#main_table " 1 Focusing with SD-11 and SD-21 I don't know anything about their application, so I'll just quote from the Operating Manual. "When focusing with these screens, while looking through the viewfinder, place the subject you want to focus on in the central cross hairs, and focus the lens. When the subject does not come off the central cross hairs even if you have moved your eyes slightly to the right or left, your subject is then in focus. The SD-11 is suited for astrophotography and photomicrography, and if used for other purposes, or depending on the telescope or microscope to be used with, the corners of the frame may be darkened." " > So after christmas I will be taking pictures of more landscapes, > architecture, etc. (Budapest) More street photography. In fact birds and > people unaware of my taking pictures is the reason why I want to get a > mirror lens. (looking at 600mm Sigma) The only other screen I have is > the default MX split prism with microprisim collar and it is quite > scratched up. So I figured go LX. Get the SE-60 totaly unmarked matte > one and the new SC-69 that is just like the default screen just supposedly > brighter. My other lenses are 24mm f2.8, 50mm f1.4, 135mm f2.5, 50-250mm > f4. So the SC-69 and the SE-60 will be used with these. Not with a > telescope or a mirror lens. If your purpose is to use your "normal" lenses (even the not so normal 50-250/4) and not a telescope I should warn you: not use one of the new (and expensive) screens for the LX (the -60/-69 ones). They won't fit your needs and you'll be disappointed. Go for a screen designed for "general purpose" (the SC-21, SA-21 et simila). Have a look at http://www.euronet.nl/~pimr/fscrntab.html for an idea of the compatibilty of the screens with the various lenses. > When I will get the mirror lens I figured I will need to get a screen that > was designed for such lenses. SA-26, SC-26, SE-25. As I said earlier > birds and people is what I will mainly be shooting with the mirror lens. (...) > > The SE-25 is not a great screen, I don't like it even with the > > LX... The vignetting is visible, but significantly less than > > with a normal lens mounted (to be precise: the SE-25 vignettes > > with lenses shorter than 80mm even with the LX). > > Well I figured I will only use it with a 600mm. Does it Vignette with > that too? (in MX of coirse, though I am interested in LX results too) Of course not! Maybe you'll notice a slight darkening in the upper side of the finder, but that's all. > > If you do not wear glasses, maybe the vignetting won't bother > > you too much. > > I don't but that maybe is what I am worried about. (did you ever consider > contact lenses? Doing photography now I tahnk god several times I do not > have to wear glasses, though the day will come I am certain) I would have a hard time trying to take a photo without glasses: I press the camera with a certain effort on my right eye and my nose to hold it steady (I usually shot handheld even with 1/8, 1/4s). If I didn't wear glasses I'd change the shape of my nose and would need to clean up the eyepiece after every shot. This way I only have to change the right lens of my glasses on a regular basis (you cannot imagine how can a camera induce scratches on glass...). > > When I mounted the SE-60 I must admit I couldn't believe to my > > eyes. This is the
Re: Happy Birthday Alfred Eisenstaedy! OT
Evan Hanson wrote: > Anyone know what kind of camera that famous VJ day picture was taken with? Hi, Evan, I'm quite certain it was a Leica. regards, frank -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Free Kodak Elitechrome Extra- Color
Good for you! Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aaron Reynolds Sent: 06 December 2001 22:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Free Kodak Elitechrome Extra- Color On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 01:31 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote: > This is all about selling their film and > gaining more customers for them: I can't imagine you going out of your > way > for them now! Oh, we don't. ;) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HOLY CRAP - eBay auction
Hi, Kent, Actually, it was the price that got me. Not that it isn't worth $60,000. I have no idea what those things are worth, and I really didn't scroll down to see everything that was for sale. I guess since I've always bought cameras as users, cameras with eel-skin (or whatever) covers don't really interest me. Like you, I'm amazed that there are as many bidders willing to part with that much money as there are. Should be interesting to see what it ends up going for. regards, frank Kent Gittings wrote: > It's not the price as that doesn't amaze me but the fact that there appears > to be a bidding war at the $50K plus area. Wonder if some of those guys > bidding might be the dealers that advertise in Shutterbug as Leica > specialists. > Kent Gittings > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
the LX requires no enabling chatter. All you have to do is go into a store and pick one up and hold it for a moment. So, if I stay out of the stores and don't meet any of you with an LX I'm safe? Hum, sounds simple enough. But I must admit all the talk and the reverent tones used when speaking of this camera, has aroused curiosity. Perhaps I should check out oneafter Christmas. It will make me feel like a good photographer? Ahh, but the proof (of a good photographer) is in the pictures! Julie - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: A PDML luncheon.
Thank you for the greeting. I guess you can say that the LX is my gift to myself - as I ignore all the screwmount lenses I got recently. My hope is to make it to Italy in the near future again. This time without a tour group and truly enjoy. Of course that would mean a PDML meeting or two :-) Ciao, Cesar -Original Message- From: Gianfranco Irlanda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:15 PM To: Cesar Subject: Re: A PDML luncheon. Happy Birthday, Cesar!! It' always nice to read when two PDMLers meet. I really had a great time when I met Juan and Boz, I hope this could happen more often. It would be really nice to have a PDML meeting sooner or later... Gianfranco Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Photo finishing
- Original Message - From: "Aaron Reynolds" Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers > > Has anyone else noticed that the clientele seem to get cheaper as the > price gets cheaper? Yup. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 09:18 AM, Bill Owens wrote: > > I know the feeling well. Like the customer I recently had who, on > examining > her "next day" prints, culled three or four perfectly good (well, > average > minilab prints) and stated she didn't know why she took them and didn't > want > to pay for them at 22 cents per print. ...and I breathe another sigh of relief that I decided not to install any kind of minilab here. Has anyone else noticed that the clientele seem to get cheaper as the price gets cheaper? -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: A PDML luncheon.
Cesar failed to mention that it is his birthday today... Happy Birthday again Cesar! It was an enjoyable afternoon. I echo the sentiments. I'm looking forward to getting together again. Maybe next time there will be other PDMLers too! Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Matamoros, Cesar A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I got back a little while ago from a fantastic time in the Inner > Harbor, Baltimore and lunch with our very own Christian Skofteland. > > While waiting for him to show up near the Torsk submarine (on > display in the harbor) I had the opportunity to observe the seal feeding and > took a few shots. See Christian, I did not mind your getting stuck in > traffic :-) > > We had lunch at one of the restaurants in the Harbor. We chatted on > things photographic, and Pentax, we even had a terse recapitulation of the > latest OT posts here :-) > > I had my MZ-S and LX, he had an MX and LX. And of course an > assortment of lenses. It was the very first time I heard someone else using > an LX! I always thought mine were loud with its distinctive THUNK. Though > mine did win the 'most battle scars' award! I can't imagine having more > than two LX-unatics together! That would be a sight. > > It was unseasonably warm and sunny with the clouds showing up at the > end. There were good photo opportunities and yes, we may have even gotten > shots of each other! > > I always find it most frustrating on one day meetings. It seems we > try to find out so much from one another and get a lot of insight beyond > just the photography. If I didn't have to eventually (good thing my > supervisor is not on this list) get back here to work I would have easily > spent the rest of the afternoon with him. > > I have yet to find a bad apple in our bunch. Though I have only met > six people from this list. This outing today makes me look forward to > Grandfather Mountain even more next year. > > I will echo the sentiments mentioned in the past here - if ever you > get a chance to get together with a PDMLer, do it. We are a great bunch (as > he wipes away a tear and reaches for a handkerchief ;-) > > We left saying we will get together again the next time I am > through, > > Cesar - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax get ahold of an LX, and *then* you'll FEEL like a great photographer!! Cotty, If I keep hanging around hereof course, no one here would enable me, would they? Julie Not in this bunch! - As he ponders to himself about how to make room in his photographic arsenal for a fourth LX he is getting from a PDMLer :-) Hm, am I planning for the day when I need to 'cannibalize' one LX for another? And once faced with that decision, can he carry it out? Cesar - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Happy Birthday Alfred Eisenstaedt! OT
"Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: > I read it some time ago. IIRC, he described seeing the sailor kissing every girl > in sight, and ran ahead of him to get a good angle on a lickly subject. I *love* Freudian slips! :-) Stephen - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
get ahold of an LX, and *then* you'll FEEL like a great photographer!! Cotty, If I keep hanging around hereof course, no one here would enable me, would they? Julie - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
> The Noritsu 2102 printers that I use read the discrete DX code > off the film edge and sets the film channel accordingly. The > film is then scanned by a high density CCD camera and the > negatives are projected onto a monitor. Colour and density > correction is then manually applied to each and every negative > on the roll. > So, yes, we do discriminate between manufactuere and type of > film. > And yes, we print every negaitive on an individual basis. > I have stated in the past that a large prints and custom > cropping are outside the purvue of a Wal~Mart photo lab (but you > knew that, right?) Wow, that must be nice to use. Our old Konica printer justs backlights the negative a la light table and we can't tell a damned thing about the print until it exits the printer. It does read the bar codes on the film, but our software is so out of date that most recent emulsions aren't included. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 11:06 AM, Chris Brogden wrote: >> As we now know, your "resident lab technicians" are either mini(lab) >> technicians or they were referring to any place that develops film, >> ~not a >> "pro lab," as labs are generally known by professional photographers. > > Let's hope Aaron doesn't sue you for defamation here, Suda. I will step out of this thread, convinced once again that Mafud is deliberately causing a fight. He can't possibly be as stupid as this. Nothing bothers me more than crap like this being flung at my lab. My lab is my baby, and to have some moron like this talk garbage about both my lab and my skills in it WITHOUT EVER HAVING BEEN HERE OR EVER HAVING SEEN MY WORK, it cuts me right to the bone. No doubt, he will continue to post in this manner, because he knows that it hurts me and that I will react to it. For the sake of the list, I will simply not respond to him any more. Not once more. Sorry, PDML. I've posted a ton of useless stuff lately. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
>I'm not a great photographer and never will be, but with regular practice I >do take better pictures. I doubt anyone would ever say I've even taken a >great picture. But I enjoy taking them and I enjoy looking at them. And no >other camera has given me the pleasure and quality of a Pentax. >I love the ZX-7, no it's not perfect, but it suits me perfectly. And the >old >ME Super, no, it's not gong anywhere. It is my special camera. >Julie Ah but Julie - get ahold of an LX, and *then* you'll FEEL like a great photographer!! ;-) Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT :Re: test
>Hi All, To whom it may concern, my ISP @home went belly up, so >I have a new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > What a thrash! I was offline for a couple of days, what did I miss? >Steve Larson For God's sake Steve! DON'T ASK!! Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
A PDML luncheon.
I got back a little while ago from a fantastic time in the Inner Harbor, Baltimore and lunch with our very own Christian Skofteland. While waiting for him to show up near the Torsk submarine (on display in the harbor) I had the opportunity to observe the seal feeding and took a few shots. See Christian, I did not mind your getting stuck in traffic :-) We had lunch at one of the restaurants in the Harbor. We chatted on things photographic, and Pentax, we even had a terse recapitulation of the latest OT posts here :-) I had my MZ-S and LX, he had an MX and LX. And of course an assortment of lenses. It was the very first time I heard someone else using an LX! I always thought mine were loud with its distinctive THUNK. Though mine did win the 'most battle scars' award! I can't imagine having more than two LX-unatics together! That would be a sight. It was unseasonably warm and sunny with the clouds showing up at the end. There were good photo opportunities and yes, we may have even gotten shots of each other! I always find it most frustrating on one day meetings. It seems we try to find out so much from one another and get a lot of insight beyond just the photography. If I didn't have to eventually (good thing my supervisor is not on this list) get back here to work I would have easily spent the rest of the afternoon with him. I have yet to find a bad apple in our bunch. Though I have only met six people from this list. This outing today makes me look forward to Grandfather Mountain even more next year. I will echo the sentiments mentioned in the past here - if ever you get a chance to get together with a PDMLer, do it. We are a great bunch (as he wipes away a tear and reaches for a handkerchief ;-) We left saying we will get together again the next time I am through, Cesar - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
Alan C. wrote: > The MZ-S was good enough for me, if and only if, it had a higher > magnification viewfinder. Okay, Pentax did choose to produce the multicoated > glass eyepiece again (what I have been waiting for), but then they took away > another important element. Alan, I agree. The most important feature of a small camera to me is the viewfinder. It is an unfortunate reality in today's market that only large, heavy, expensive cameras have large, bright, full-coverage or near-full-coverage viewfinders. Small cameras have small, low-coverage viewfinders in which the optical image seldom "snaps" enough to enable comfortable manual focusing. The one exception that I know of is the Contax Aria, which is a small, mid-priced manual-focus camera with motor wind and rewind and autoload. It has a finder like they used to have in the old days: large, beautifully bright, and made of real ground glass so you can actually use it to focus with. One of my favorite cameras on the current market, although I don't own one. I wrote a full review of the Aria for _Photo Techniques_, but I don't remember when it appeared. The Aria also has one really nice and, I think, unique feature: on a 1/3rd-stop scale in the viewfinder, it shows you the difference between the multi-segment metered value and what center-weighted metering would have given you. So you always know what the fancy metering algorithms are actually doing. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Photofinishing
-Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Photofinishing - Original Message - From: "Matamoros, Cesar A." > - > Just wanted to say thank you for clearing that up for me. Maybe next time > I am in the store I can talk my way into a tour :-) Heck, we are just a hole in the Wal~Mart kiosk. Get a tour through a real lab sometime. It is quite impressive to see what a full service lab like the one I used to work at is capable of. We had E-6, C-41 and black and white up to 4x5. We had half a dozen Lucht printers for pro proofing, and 2 Gretag 3140s for amateur and 35mm proofing. We had a full art department for retouching and also dry mount and texturing up to 40 x 60 inch, which was the largest print size we offered. The copy room used Mamiya 6x7 and Linhof 4x5 for producing copy negatives. We did not produce 35mm copy negs at all. I enjoyed those days immensely, but unfortunately, the photographic market here is not large enough to support that type of facility anymore. William Robb William, I will take a tour there too. I meant that I would tour 'my' lab back home. I have walked back there enough. The owner was even showing off some Epson commercial printer they got in while I was on vacation that is limited in length only by the roll of paper left feeding the machine. They do prints, both b&w and color, and slide processing. They also do medium format. They do enlargements to a particular size. [Side note - my friend 'borrowed' my slide (without my knowledge) that I took of the WTC on 7 Sept. to make a large print for my birthday from a scan of the slide - great job!] I definitely consider them 'pro' in that they care about their work and take pride in having a happy customer leave and return for more business. I would hate to think what it would be like without them. I have gotten lost in the back with all the machines surrounding me. I have sent a few friends there and they have all commented that it was more expensive for processing, but they could tell the difference. Cesar Matamoros II - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Happy Birthday Alfred Eisenstaedt! OT
I read it some time ago. IIRC, he described seeing the sailor kissing every girl in sight, and ran ahead of him to get a good angle on a lickly subject. When he saw him grab the nurse, he knew he probably had a keeper. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > OT? At least it is about photography - hopefully that is what Pentax itself > is about. Have you had the pleasure of reading The Eye of Eisenstaedt? It has > some fascinatiing information about how/why he made some of his favorite > images. > -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers & Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photofinishing
- Original Message - From: "Matamoros, Cesar A." > - > Just wanted to say thank you for clearing that up for me. Maybe next time > I am in the store I can talk my way into a tour :-) Heck, we are just a hole in the Wal~Mart kiosk. Get a tour through a real lab sometime. It is quite impressive to see what a full service lab like the one I used to work at is capable of. We had E-6, C-41 and black and white up to 4x5. We had half a dozen Lucht printers for pro proofing, and 2 Gretag 3140s for amateur and 35mm proofing. We had a full art department for retouching and also dry mount and texturing up to 40 x 60 inch, which was the largest print size we offered. The copy room used Mamiya 6x7 and Linhof 4x5 for producing copy negatives. We did not produce 35mm copy negs at all. I enjoyed those days immensely, but unfortunately, the photographic market here is not large enough to support that type of facility anymore. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax
Me too. It's sad it's OT on this list. Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sorry for this OT post, but I really like Pentax cameras, lenses, > etc, and > have taken some great pix over the years with them. I wonder if > anyone else > shares my pov. > > Kind regards from sunny Brighton > > Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR
Kent G. wrote: > I agree completely. Smaller chip size is often preferable because the same > aspect ratio can be done with a smaller lighter lens. Whether anybody > settles on 1.3x or 1.6x remains to be seen. Kents, I know you're agreeing with ME here so for me to agree right back again is getting a little ridiculous, but I just wanted to second this. I truly think that the opportunity to standardize on a smaller chip size is one of the great opportunities of the digital revolution, for the very reason you mention--smaller, lighter, faster, cheaper lenses. The pro-level f/2.8-speed 28-70 and 80-200 lenses we put up with today are ridiculous. They're monstrosities--very expensive, and huge. The fact is, 35mm wasn't designed for zoom lenses and it's really too large for them. I'd like to see commonly used lenses get back down into the size and weight range of primes during the classic era. The makers have the opportunity to do that by standardizing on a somewhat smaller CCD size. I fervently hope they do it. The next shot in this battle will likely be heard when the Olympus-Kodak SLR comes out at PMA next year. It will be the FIRST interchangeable-lens SLR built from the ground up for digital, i.e., not meant for existing 35mm lenses. Should be really, really interesting. --Mike P.S. For an extreme example of what this can mean, look at the 28-200mm equivalent lens on the Minolta Dimage 7. Now, that's a crappy camera, and the CCD size is TOO small, but then lens is smaller than a 100mm f/2.8 SMCP-M lens, and it's fast, f/2.8 to 3.5, and it's a SUPERB little lens, really a bit of a masterpiece. Granted, this is an extreme example, but just imagine a Pentax digital SLR that looks like the MZ-S that you could buy an 80-200 f/2 for that was the size and weight of, say, the current 100mm FA macro, or a 28-70 that was the size of, say, the 77mm Limited and _faster_ than f/2.8. This is what smaller CCDs offer. The implications for optics are really exciting. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
Mafud wrote: > It appears I was correct in my assertions. No way would a "pro lab" (any) do > digital for the same price as film. To get some actual data for this discussion, I called two different labs in Milwaukee, where I live. Both are full-service photographic labs that also do digital. One, Allied Digital Photo, caters more to the public and to lower-cost, higher-volume pros such as portrait studios and wedding shooters. Its prices for a print from a digital file, a conventional print from a negative, and a conventional print from a slide are all exactly the same for any size up to 10x15 inches: for example, $6.99 for an 8x10 and $13.99 for an 11x14. For all prints larger than 10x15 inches, whether it's from a digital file, negative, or transparency, Allied sells only inkjet prints made on an Epson 7500. Next, I called a full-service pro lab that does custom work and caters to studio professionals, Enlargement Works. Here are its prices: 8x10 print from a color negative: $15 8x10 print from a digital file: $15 8x10 print from a transparency: $16 11x14 print from a color negative: $28.50 11x14 print from a digital file: $28.50 11x14 print from a transparency: $29.50 These were the only two labs I called--I did not call several labs and pick only the data that fit my purposes. These are both dedicated photo businesses that offer a range of photo services and do all their work on premises. So, my good Mafud, if you expect me to believe that, IN YOUR AREA, no lab of any sort (custom, wedding, Wal-Mart) would do digital prints as inexpensively as prints from film, you are going to have to go get a little actual data and quote me verifiable numbers. If you won't, then I'm comfortable concluding that your statements on this topic are baseless. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: more Leonid woes
Amita wrote: > I took the negatives and the contact sheet to a > third lab tonight, and the guy looked at the > negative with some sort of machine and said that > the machine wouldn't be able to make the prints [Snip] > Is there a lab anyone could recommend for this sort > of work? Hi Amita, You might want to check the classified ads in the back of any recent issue of Sky & Telescope. There are labs that advertise as specialists in handling development and printing of astrophotographic exposures. I'm pretty bummed out about my Leonid results. I was able to capture some startrails, but I didn't notice any meteor trails on any of the few exposures I made. I observed lots of meteors where the camera was pointing during the morning of the 18th, and I'd have thought I would have captured some photons at the focal plane. I think the problem may have simply been too slow a combination of aperture and emulsion (28mm f/3.5 and 400-speed print film). The mini-lab didn't print any of my astro exposures. I scanned the negatives on my flatbed. The raw images looked like crap with a lot of light fall-off at the edges and a lot of fog in the center. However, I played around with making a darkfield frame to do background subtraction on the raw scans. (A recent S&T article describes how to do this.) After background subtraction, the images looked quite uniform, and the startrails actually looked pretty good. So it wasn't a total loss. Good luck with the prints. Bill Peifer Rochester, NY [demime removed a uuencoded section named winmail.dat which was 71 lines] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo?
I know I would never go this route, but since you asked, my solution is: 24mm, 100mm macro, 2X-TC This will cover 24, 48, 100 and 200mm. regards, Alan Chan >We haven't a good equipment argument make the rounds for awhile. > >My question, > >if you had to limit yourself to two (2) Pentax _primes_ and one (1) Pentax >teleconverter, which ones and why? (i.e. how would that combo support your >style of photography better than some other combo?) > >Anyone game? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Photofinishing
-Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Photofinishing - Original Message - From: "Matamoros, Cesar A." Subject: RE: Photofinishing > Interesting. My "pro" lab charges the same for 3.5 x 5 and 4 x 6 > prints. It actually takes more work for them to do the 3.5". I am not > familiar with labs and just assumed that the 3.5 x 5 was a 'cut' version of > the 4 x 6. Depending on the volume of 4R (4x6) prints to 3R (3.5 x 5) prints, many labs (mine included) print 3R on 4 inch paper, then hand trim the prints to size. If the volume warranted, we would go to 5 inch paper for doing 3R prints. William Robb - Just wanted to say thank you for clearing that up for me. Maybe next time I am in the store I can talk my way into a tour :-) Cesar - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Virius alert
Len Paris wrote: > I believe all of that. What touched a hot button was the > implication that non-Linux users are somehow bringing this all > on themselves by not using Linux. I apologize if I gave that implication, I really should be more more verbose than quick quips. I am an avid Microsoft non-user, not hater, as I believe the windows platform has much to offer in game playing world, its slick interface and easy access APIs make it easy to add new tools. My children use windows for there games, as linux is not a game playing platform, Funny thing, someone mentioned the added per user implementation in XP, but you still need to be admin, to play games (sigh). Linux is not totally virus free, however does suffer from many exploitable buffer overflows, a great failing of linux was that when installed, all services were turned on, presumably on the assumption that if you installed it, you wanted to use it. Now, with RedHat, these services need to be manually swithched on and firewalling is built in by default. As a Sys Admin I monitor logs daily for a vast number of machines and we get on average about 2 dozen scans or attempted breakins each hour. We have had only 1 machine comprimised in the last 6 years. There are many good desktop features now in linux, for our purposes The Gimp, is a good photo editting tool and gaining in popularity as alot of amateur photographers cannot afford tools such as photoshop, coupled with the price of a MS lisence. I am hoping that in the future we will see companies like PENTAX, Canon and Minolta realease the required drivers for linux, or at least give access to the API's, most printer manufactures now do this, and now most scanner drivers are also available. With MS heading towards .net, or applications as service, I can see many people not wanting to purchase these services and opting for MacOS or Linux as a substitute. Kind regards Kevin Waterson - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
>I think the MZ-S interface *looks* busier than it is. In particular, the >graphics on the exposure compensation and bracketing selection dials >together >look very intimidating. When I learned how to use them I was shocked at >how simple it was, but the graphics make that side of the camera's top >plate >*appear* much too complicated. I think it "looked" quite complicated too when I tried it at a local store. >The only thing I don't like about the actual operation of the camera is >having to use the lens's aperture ring to select aperture (love my PZ-1p >because I can dial in aperture from the body), especially when using large >telephotos and *especially* when the lens is mounted on a tripod. This can be both good and bad. If you checked your Z-1p carefully, you would discovered the actual aperture selected on the camera was not that accuracy. The accuracy is lens dependence. Up to 2/3 EV difference could be possible based on my observation. regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photofinishing
Quite true. If the person who did the processing and printng didn't care, one shouldn't expect good result. Just like one of my local lab which was once excellent, but now (newly employed printer) they scratched every film that I gave them, and white spots on at least 1/3 of all prints. They aren't cheap either. Even though they were willing to do the reprint without questions, I was sick of myself to go back and ask for reprints everytime. They have not improved their QC after my countless complaints. Just too much hassle. regards, Alan Chan > There has been some disparaging words here about "cheap" >photofinishing vs >a "pro" lab, and I'd just like to put in my two cents... I work at a place >that prices itself between places like Walmart and the various custom labs >around here. While its true that in general we produce with more >consistancy >than places like Walmart and Eckerd's, that isn't always the rule. What I >have >found to be the key issue is wheather the people running the lab care about >what they are doing moreso than where they are. I always tell my customers >that photofinishers are like hairstylists (or barbars) in that if you find >someone that does a good job, stick with them. If William Robb's Walmart >was >near me, I'd be sorely tempted to get my 4x6's done there because it's >obvious >that he cares, and he's got a killer price. That's an amazing combo, but >unfortuenetly, it's all too rare. Most of the time, I get what I pay for. >Most >places use similar (in capabilities) machines, even the "pro" labs for >4x6's. >The difference comes down to who is using and maintaining them... > >Isaac _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photofinishing
- Original Message - From: "Matamoros, Cesar A." Subject: RE: Photofinishing > Interesting. My "pro" lab charges the same for 3.5 x 5 and 4 x 6 > prints. It actually takes more work for them to do the 3.5". I am not > familiar with labs and just assumed that the 3.5 x 5 was a 'cut' version of > the 4 x 6. Depending on the volume of 4R (4x6) prints to 3R (3.5 x 5) prints, many labs (mine included) print 3R on 4 inch paper, then hand trim the prints to size. If the volume warranted, we would go to 5 inch paper for doing 3R prints. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
Mike Johnston Wrote: >William Robb wrote: > >> What I didn't like was the user interface, though >> I just don't recall exactly why. It just had too much stuff on >> it for me. > >That's my personal reaction too. I much prefer the interface of, say, the >Nikon N80. (That and the FM3A are my current favorite camera bodies. Talk >about yer dark side. ) I think the MZ-S interface *looks* busier than it is. In particular, the graphics on the exposure compensation and bracketing selection dials together look very intimidating. When I learned how to use them I was shocked at how simple it was, but the graphics make that side of the camera's top plate *appear* much too complicated. The only thing I don't like about the actual operation of the camera is having to use the lens's aperture ring to select aperture (love my PZ-1p because I can dial in aperture from the body), especially when using large telephotos and *especially* when the lens is mounted on a tripod. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
Hmmm, my isp doesn't seem to want to cooperate with message rule 8. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers > And right about here you're gong to tell me how you and ~your~ Walmart lab > ~do~ have the facilities and that ~you~, Mr. Robb, can and do individual > proccessing requests by dialing in their desired KODAK processing channel. > You'll probably also say you can and do discriminate between PORTRA and GOLD > and FUJI emulsions and that your Walmart can print on any paper and nearly > any size I choose, even if it's on KODAK SUPRAll @ 11 x 14. > Go ahead, tell me. Since I have already asked you once to address me with a modicum of respect, I will presume that it is just your nature to be an abuser. I can live with this. That you are offensively infantile is your problem and not mine. Now, to answer your question: The Noritsu 2102 printers that I use read the discrete DX code off the film edge and sets the film channel accordingly. The film is then scanned by a high density CCD camera and the negatives are projected onto a monitor. Colour and density correction is then manually applied to each and every negative on the roll. So, yes, we do discriminate between manufactuere and type of film. And yes, we print every negaitive on an individual basis. I have stated in the past that a large prints and custom cropping are outside the purvue of a Wal~Mart photo lab (but you knew that, right?) We work within the limitations that are given to us, in terms of size of print and cropping options, and paper type. We have no choice in this. When we have to send someone to a custom lab we are quite willing to. It is just good customer service to make every attempt to enable a customer into the product they want. We do not compromise quality in areas we can control. We run C-41 and RA-4 process controll strips at the beginning of every day, we balance all paper widths and surfaces to a common colour point daily. We pre judge print every single negative that goes through our printers, and we inspect every single print for defects, and redo the ones that fall outside our acceptable limits. Our limits, because we are an amateur photofinishing minilab are not quite as tight as a pro lab should be, but we don't send out anything we wouldn't buy ourselves. It is easier to do the job correctly the first time. This is the work ethic that is part of the entire Wal~Mart culture in Canada, and really, is the work ethic of Canadians in general. I hope this answers your question. Now, wouldn't the world be a better place if we all were willing to back up our claims with facts? Any journalist worth his salt knows this. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
That's the *joy* of dealing with the public for you! I don't process or print any of my own film (lack of time and space - I'm sure I'm missing out), but I know the deal I want and how much I want to spend, depending on what film I've used and what the subject material is. $4 for processing and printing a 36 exp roll is great value for the many photos and follow on reprints at that sort of price you send to family of the children growing up etc. You can't get picky at this price. For something you want a little care taken over, use someone you trust and you build an understanding of what you are looking for. Someone at some time will let you down and for my part, I often have to say the person who took the photos has alot to answer for :-) Malcolm, G0DPT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Owens Sent: 06 December 2001 14:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers > The piece of work in question was an estimate on restoration, which, by > the way, was a mere $40 including the print, the lowest price we ever > quote for restoration. The customer agreed to the price in the end, and > then groused about it again when it came time to pick up the work. I > asked her to confirm that it was her signature beside the estimate, and > she said "yes", so I promptly rung it into the till. > > Sometimes I feel like murdering people. :) > > -Aaron I know the feeling well. Like the customer I recently had who, on examining her "next day" prints, culled three or four perfectly good (well, average minilab prints) and stated she didn't know why she took them and didn't want to pay for them at 22 cents per print. Or those that examine their 3 day prints, which cost a measly $4.00 for processing and printing, even 36 exp rolls, and want a credit for those which they don't like. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Photofinishing
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Photofinishing In a message dated 12/6/01 10:35:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > even the "pro" labs for 4x6's Isaac, my pro lab turns out 3.5 x 5.something "standard" prints. ~IF~ you want 4 x 6 prints you pay more. Remember that's ~my~ pro lab. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting. My "pro" lab charges the same for 3.5 x 5 and 4 x 6 prints. It actually takes more work for them to do the 3.5". I am not familiar with labs and just assumed that the 3.5 x 5 was a 'cut' version of the 4 x 6. Cesar Matamoros II Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: "K MOUNT" question
In a message dated 12/6/2001 2:30:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Ricoh, Casina, Vivitar, and ??? I guess if there would be a point in history > > where Pentax wouldn't make any film based cameras anymore, there would have > no reason for other manufacturers to do anyway. > > regards, > Alan Chan > Okay, I suppose, but Vivitar is *not* a manufacturer. It is a marketing name. Ed M. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Variable aperture zoom question
In a message dated 12/6/01 12:49:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Well that is correct except at the widest setting. If you have a 28-80/4-5.6 > lens and set the aperture manually at F4 and zoom from 28 to 80mm you will > end up at F5.6 even if the ring says F4." You're saying that a lens at f/4 ~migrates~ to f/5.6 in what is a no eletronic situation. The "A" setting closes (opens?) a circuit. Of the "A" the les is a manul lens. You must then explin how this "phantom" migration happens. > setting the aperture ring is not involved in > the actual diaphragm function." Yup. > The insides of the lens barrel is what determines the aperture in that case. > It's actually easy to see the effect. If you sit at 28mm and change the ring > from 4 to 5.6 the shutter value will change." Goes without saying. > and switch it between 4 and 5.6 the shutter > value will not vary at all." Only if the one-stop movement does not interfere with the amount of light, though theoretically it should. > that's because the amount of light is not changing because the barrel of the > lens housing is already stopping the amount of light to around F5.6 anyway." > OK, twisted, but OK. > > constant aperture zooms that are opened up at the short end." Zoomed to 80mm? That's the LONG end. > design of a constant aperture zoom is nothing more than > opening up the front element and lens barrel so that the diaphragm is not > vignetted by the barrel at the long end." OK > Kent Gittings > _ > -Original Message- > > Subject: Re: Variable aperture zoom question > > In a message dated 12/5/01 4:19:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > That's precisely the point - that because the zoom lens is variable > > aperture, I cannot be guaranteed that the amount of light admitted through > > the lens will be constant over the zoom range of the lens. > IF you use a PK/A variable aperture lens with the lens in any position other than "A", the aperture WILL NOT change, withthe exception of using TTL flash in the aperture AE mode. The way you decribe it, ~you're~ setting the aperture yourself. It won't change no matter how you zoom (with the one TTL flash exception noted). > I'll say this and no more: when you ~manually~ set the aperture, the > "variable aperture" becomes a "preset" (by you) aperture. Nothing you do > while zooming will (can) change the aperture until (you) change it to a > different setting. > Specifically: when an "A" lens is not on "A," the lens becomes either > semi-manual? (aperture only) or full manual (aperture and shutter on manual > setting). > **And it does not matter whether you set it wide open or close it down all > the way. The aperture CANNOT (does not) change until you change it-period. > > Mafud > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Variable zoom question - FA28-70/4
This whole thing seems to hinge on using the term aperture and "F" interchangeably. I don't believe they are. "F" is commonly used to denote relative aperture. And some folks seem to be using aperture to refer to absolute aperture. What a huge urination contest over some sloppy language Not to pick on Kent but, incidentally, in regards to his comment: >>>First off what you say could be done however making the diaphragm change with focal length is the hard way to do it. In fact I don't know of a single lens designer who could make that work very well because most zooms don't have much in the way of zoom/aperture direct interaction. <<< My FA 28-70/4 does exactly that and it does it very, very well. Great little lens. Since the lens mechanically varies the absolute aperture in proportion to focal length setting, relative aperture "F" is maintained - even when it is used on my K1000, ME, or MZ5. On my other zooms, the mechanical "F" scale/setting only indicates the correct relative aperture at the widest setting. Chris Lillja School Publications Guy - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Odp: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo?
- Original Message - From: Dan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo? > if you had to limit yourself to two (2) Pentax _primes_ and one (1) Pentax > teleconverter, which ones and why? (i.e. how would that combo support your > style of photography better than some other combo?) Well, if I could choose any lens from the market, then without any hesitation I'd go for: - FA 43/1.9 Limited - FA 77/1.8 Limited - A 2X-S Converter unless the F 1.7X provides the normal AF - if so then the latter. Greetz Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax
-Original Message- From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax > Sorry for this OT post, but I really like Pentax cameras, lenses, etc, > and have taken some great pix over the years with them. I wonder if > anyone else shares my pov. Not sure if anyone noticed, but I have picked up four screwmount lenses before and during my most recent vacation. Anyway, I just wanted to relate the fun I had using them. I had only carted my MZ-S and LX (2) with me on vacation. I had also left all my screwmount lenses at home, save the Tele-Takumar. I decided one day to leave all the K-mount lenses behind (okay I took the 77 Limited which has become my favorite lens to carry) and just use the new screwmount lenses for a day. Other than the hassle involved in changing lenses - and only having one Pentax K adapter - I had a blast taking photos. I had almost forgotten the feel of those lenses. The smooth focusing, the hefty feel. Also their size seemed rather small. When I get a chance I will have to post some images of the Tele-Takumar 300/6.3 on the MZ-S. The lenses looked at home on the LX, and really did not look out of place on the MZ-S. But then again, I don't mind the look of the Limited on either camera. Yes, I like Pentax and the compatability across the ages. Hey, maybe I should look for an ultra-wide angle screwmount to use on the upcoming digital SLR! :-) Cesar Matamoros II Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Odp: Recommend a 3rd party, inexpensive, WA (15-20mm) lens?
- Original Message - From: Kent Gittings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Recommend a 3rd party, inexpensive, WA (15-20mm) lens? > Mir is Ukrainian I think not Russian. Big difference (ask them). Indeed. Sorry for that... Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
