Re: ?subject= and spaces in it

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello makc666,

On Sat, 29 May 2004 10:05:09 +0400 GMT (29/05/2004, 13:05 +0700 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

mnr> The Bat! Is made for users and not for RFCs.

If TB ever goes down that road (taking the RFCs not so seriously), I
won't be the only one to run away screaming.

mnr> So you just trying to tell me that Ritlabs don't think about its users - it
mnr> think about some "stupid" RFC.

If that is your opinion, TB might not be the right choice for you.

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Re: ?subject= and spaces in it

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Saturday, May 29, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...

You're likely to get a moderator jump on you for top posting...
Suggest you read the welcome message ;)

> The Bat! Is made for users and not for RFCs.

To communicate with the world, TheBat MUST follow RFCs.

> If there are some "bad" webmasters the user of The Bat don't have to suffer
> of some RFCs...

There is a hack around it, and it is a registry change to fix it...
read the archives, there are many items on this.

> For example "Microsoft Office Outlook 2003" work fine with both variants and
> it splits on some RFCs, it just do its work.

Outlook fails to follow many RFCs, and causes MANY problems with other
clients because of it... going to tell the other programmers to "fix"
their stuff too because MS doesn't want to follow the rules? They're
setup for a reason :)

> So you just trying to tell me that Ritlabs don't think about its users - it
> think about some "stupid" RFC.

There are very few "stupid" RFCs... the rest are written for people to
communicate with... if they didn't exist, people wouldn't be able to
communicate on the internet.

> Also this BUG with ?subject= is not that case when you have to speak about
> RFC.

RFC says that any spaces in a URI MUST be encoded with %20... That
means that spaces have to be converted... anybody that doesn't is
breaking RFCs.

> It must be done so that The Bat understands "spaces" and this will
> neither way break the work of The Bat with RFC.

Erm... If TB is changed to accept it, then it does break RFCs.

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Re: ?subject= and spaces in it

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello makc666,

Saturday, May 29, 2004, 9:05:09 AM, you wrote (possibly edited):

> Also this BUG with ?subject= is not that case when you have to speak about
> RFC.
> It must be done so that The Bat understands "spaces" and this will neither
> way break the work of The Bat with RFC.

I  understand  your frustration and argument in favour of changing the
way The Bat behaves, but call it whatever you like except a bug.

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RE: ?subject= and spaces in it

[makc666]

The Bat! Is made for users and not for RFCs.
If there are some "bad" webmasters the user of The Bat don't have to suffer
of some RFCs...
For example "Microsoft Office Outlook 2003" work fine with both variants and
it splits on some RFCs, it just do its work.
So you just trying to tell me that Ritlabs don't think about its users - it
think about some "stupid" RFC.

Also this BUG with ?subject= is not that case when you have to speak about
RFC.
It must be done so that The Bat understands "spaces" and this will neither
way break the work of The Bat with RFC.

=/> -Original Message-
=/> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
=/> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
=/> Thomas Fernandez
=/> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:45 AM
=/> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on TBUDL
=/> Subject: Re: ?subject= and spaces in it
=/> 
=/> Hello makc666,
=/> 
=/> On Sat, 29 May 2004 09:28:53 +0400 GMT (29/05/2004, 12:28 
=/> +0700 GMT),
=/> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
=/> 
=/> mnr> I think that The Bat! must work correct if there are 
=/> spaces in "?subject="
=/> mnr> and the current situation is a BUG of The Bat!
=/> 
=/> The Bat works correctly, and the link is incorrect. This 
=/> was discussed
=/> here many times. Reference is made to the RFCs. Please enlighten the
=/> webmaster, who doesn't seem to know what he is doing.



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Re: Emoticons in upcoming new TB! version [was Re: Leif's h2g2 smilies for new TB!...]

[Allister Jenks]

Saturday, May 29, 2004, 5:07:59 PM, Thomas wrote:

TF> No, that only mean it is appropriate for TBBETA and not for TBUDL.
TF> After the release it will be appropriate here.

Saved me saying it myself, thanks.

I am not trying to leap all over people for this, but given the usual
veracity of moderation, I am surprised this is the second time I have
spotted a thread of questionable applicability being furthered by a
moderator.

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Re: How to delete a message from the server?

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Thomas,

Saturday, May 29, 2004, 8:11:54 AM, you wrote (possibly edited):

CP>> My  objective  was  to  have the message deleted without it being also
CP>> downloaded to my inbox.

> You will need to create a Selective Download filter.

Thank you for the reply. I only use Incoming Filters, very rarely edit
them,  and so I did not remember that there were other alternatives in
Sorting Office even though there they were, staring me in the face!

Also,  my  thanks  to Miguel who replied earlier, but I didn't realise
exactly where to find the Selective Download Filter. My fault, Miguel.
:)

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Re: ?subject= and spaces in it

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello makc666,

On Sat, 29 May 2004 09:28:53 +0400 GMT (29/05/2004, 12:28 +0700 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

mnr> I think that The Bat! must work correct if there are spaces in "?subject="
mnr> and the current situation is a BUG of The Bat!

The Bat works correctly, and the link is incorrect. This was discussed
here many times. Reference is made to the RFCs. Please enlighten the
webmaster, who doesn't seem to know what he is doing.

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?subject= and spaces in it

[makc666]

Hellow all.
My first post here.
I don't know quit if it is a BUG but I thinks yes.
If web-master used in his code line like:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] addresses">Press
here to email me
When The Bat! User will press on that link in subject line he will see only
word "Contact".
And not the full phrase "Contact addresses".

If web-master used in his code line like:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">Press
here to email me
So he replaced "space" with "%20" then The Bat! will catch the subject to
the email right as "Contact addresses"

I think that The Bat! must work correct if there are spaces in "?subject="
and the current situation is a BUG of The Bat!

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Re: How to delete a message from the server?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Costas,

On Sat, 29 May 2004 07:38:45 +0300 GMT (29/05/2004, 11:38 +0700 GMT),
Costas Papadopoulos wrote:

>>   Look in filters | action tab | delete from server

CP> I  tried  that  already.  I  tested  it  by  making a filter to delete
CP> messages  from the sender where the sender is myself. I sent a message
CP> to myself, but unfortunately the message still arrived in my inbox and
CP> was, of course, deleted from the server.

Yes, that's what that function does: delete after download.

CP> My  objective  was  to  have the message deleted without it being also
CP> downloaded to my inbox.

You will need to create a Selective Download filter.

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Re: Deleting all emails before synchronise - easy way

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Sat, 29 May 2004 01:09:54 +0200 GMT (29/05/2004, 06:09 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>> And anyway why shouldn't I just copy the Desktop .TBI and .TBB files and
>> overwrite their equivalents on the Laptop and be done with it?

M> Yes, that works.

Just copying the files works as long as you don't have any changes in
the folder structure or so.

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Re: Emoticons in upcoming new TB! version [was Re: Leif's h2g2 smilies for new TB!...]

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mary,

On Fri, 28 May 2004 21:11:03 -0500 GMT (29/05/2004, 09:11 +0700 GMT),
Mary Bull wrote:

MB> My apologies. Should have posted to tbot. However, it is somewhat on
MB> topic for tbudl, in that emoticons will be available in the announced
MB> release of a new version of The Bat! by RitLabs to be published next
MB> Tuesday, June 1, 2004.

No, that only mean it is appropriate for TBBETA and not for TBUDL.
After the release it will be appropriate here.

Just MHO (I am not a moderator on TBUDL).

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Re: How to delete a message from the server?

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Jan,

Friday, May 28, 2004, 6:16:34 PM, you wrote (possibly edited):

>   Look in filters | action tab | delete from server

I  tried  that  already.  I  tested  it  by  making a filter to delete
messages  from the sender where the sender is myself. I sent a message
to myself, but unfortunately the message still arrived in my inbox and
was, of course, deleted from the server.

My  objective  was  to  have the message deleted without it being also
downloaded to my inbox.

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Emoticons in upcoming new TB! version [was Re: Leif's h2g2 smilies for new TB!...]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Allister!

On Friday, May 28, 2004, 8:27 PM, you wrote:

AJ> Surely this thread is:

AJ> 1) OT
AJ> 2) Beta related
AJ> 3) A personal chit-chat referring to others of same ilk
AJ> 4) Making some people wonder "What the hell are they talking about?"

AJ> and therefore

AJ> 5) Not appropriate for this list
AJ> 6) Inappropriate for a moderator to join in

My apologies. Should have posted to tbot. However, it is somewhat on
topic for tbudl, in that emoticons will be available in the announced
release of a new version of The Bat! by RitLabs to be published next
Tuesday, June 1, 2004.

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Re: Leif's h2g2 smilies for new TB! version

[Allister Jenks]

Saturday, May 29, 2004, 6:14:12 AM, Mary wrote:



Surely this thread is:

1) OT
2) Beta related
3) A personal chit-chat referring to others of same ilk
4) Making some people wonder "What the hell are they talking about?"

and therefore

5) Not appropriate for this list
6) Inappropriate for a moderator to join in

Just my opinion, of course.



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Re: The world's most useful filter

[Mica Mijatovic]

***^\ 
 ~~( __ _"o   Was Fri, 28 May 2004, at 20:43:21 -0400, 
@  @  when rich gregory wrote:

> If anyone there can elp with this it would be the
> MOST HELPFUL FILTER EVER!

> Assume a legit email address of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> A filter to DISALLOW any random variant combinations, such as
> "richier" or "richiew", but would allow (of course) my legit
> "richieg".

> Any ideas, you TB! code barons? 

One of variants is that you make a Selective Download filter and allow
only specifically addressed mail to get through it. One of these
addresses would be that with legit "richieg".

But, with a such filter one should be careful, since you could find that
you deleted what you wouldn't want (althoguh you would know that from
LOG).

Example for something like that is: Selective Download - Rule: Entire
header | Advanced: Action - Kill, Detection method - None of strings
should match.

In a such filter I have all addresses of things I'm subscribed in, plus
few "modes" of my own address. E.g.:

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Re: Bug pressure?

[Allister Jenks]

Saturday, May 29, 2004, 3:54:38 AM, michael wrote:

> I have been in Software QA for over 25 years. I just want to say that
> a "bug" like you posted looks a great deal like a problem with your
> computer.

I totally agree that's what it could be.  My point was that pretty much
nothing had been said in the BugTracker.  If it sounds to the folks at
RIT like a Windows problem, they are quite at liberty to say so.

I'm not professionally in software QA, but I have been in development
and development/QA support for almost 17 years (so call me a newbie) and
I am well aware of the nature of bugs and 'features' of software.  For
one thing, I know it is important to gather as much information as you
resonably can before trying to track down the cause of a problem...



>So, when was the last time you reinstalled windows?

...like, for instance, reading all the attached bugnotes.  One of these
says I reinstalled XP on 18th May.  ;-)

Such a shame that TB! doesn't run on OS/400.

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Re: The world's most useful filter

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Rich,

@28-May-2004, 20:43 -0400 (29-May 01:43 UK time) rich gregory [RG]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

RG> Assume a legit email address of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RG> A filter to DISALLOW any random variant combinations, such as
RG> "richier" or "richiew", but would allow (of course) my legit
RG> "richieg".

BeginFilter
Name: Only Richie's Mail
Active: 1
Source: \Inbox
Target: \Trash
MainSet: 10Richie[^g]
Actions: faMarkRead,faoRegExp
EndFilter

Copy that block (including BeginFilter and EndFilter) to the
clipboard. Open your sorting office, open and click into the
Incoming mail folder (anywhere) and press Ctrl-V. Use the Move
Up/Down to position the filter for optimum effect.

Enjoy.

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Re: TB! or not TB ? (..that is the question..)

[Allie Martin]

Sl, [S] wrote:

S> Anyone else tried both T-Bird and TB!...especially IMAP??

I more than try them since I currently use them. :)

ThunderBird's IMAP support works more reliably, especially with a
wider variety of connection speeds and servers. However, it's a basic
client otherwise. I fight with its lack of other features, i.e., a
good editor, quick templates and other templates, poor identity
support without the facility to tie identities to mailboxes. I feel
like I'm back to the good old days of doing everything manually rather
than in an automated fashion. The only plus with ThunderBird is
Enigmail. I really like the autoverification of PGP signatures as well
as the suppression of the ineligible text in inline PGP signatures.

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Re: Deleting all emails before synchronise - easy way

[MAU]

Hello Marten,

> And anyway why shouldn't I just copy the Desktop .TBI and .TBB files and
> overwrite their equivalents on the Laptop and be done with it?

Yes, that works.

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Deleting all emails before synchronise - easy way

[Marten Gallagher]

Before I synchronise my desktop with my laptop prior to going away
from home office; and because synchronise simply adds to the existing
emails; i.e: stuff that was on both machines but has been deleted from
the Desktop will not be deleted from the Laptop when synchronising...

I need to...

Delete all emails from the Laptop - BUT NOT the account settings.

My feeling is that if I delete the .TBI and the .TBB files only that
will remove all emails from the Laptop but leave the account settings,
filters, templates etc in place.

Am I right?

And anyway why shouldn't I just copy the Desktop .TBI and .TBB files and
overwrite their equivalents on the Laptop and be done with it?

Of course, if I'm missign a trick about synchronising whereby stuff
that has been deleted from the Desktop can be set to be deleted from
the Laptop then that would solve the issue but my guess is that
there's no way for the Laptop to know what's deleted 'cos, by
definition, there's no trace of them.

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Re: How to delete a message from the server?

[MAU]

Hello Costas,

> Is  there  a  way  to configure it so that a message from a particular
> email  address is deleted on the server without the message being also
> downloaded to my PC?

Try a Selective Download filter.


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Re: Leif's h2g2 smilies for new TB! version

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, May 28, 2004, 2:14 PM, you wrote:

MB> I read the entire thread (threads) about it on tbbeta, but I have a
MB> fixed policy of only lurking there.

MB> 42.   Trill.

make it :42: that makes it use the emoticon :)
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OT: was Re: (SOT) The best templates

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Mica,

Friday, May 28, 2004, 12:08:15 PM, you wrote:
Mica> I read too fast today. :-) Going to see. Thanks. So, they're
Mica> putting poetry on each other...


Oh yeah... It's positively, stomach-turning nauseating! ;-)

Moved to TBOT.



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Re: Leif's h2g2 smilies for new TB! version

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Mary,

Friday, May 28, 2004, 12:14:12 PM, you wrote:
Mary> So now I will have to get out of my comfortable, old-shoe
Mary> version, with bugs and features that I'm used to, and learn the
Mary> latest TB!, after June 1, 2004.

It's not so bad! 

and you're welcome. You know I luv ya'.

When I decided to try and make an emoticon for TB, there wasn't any
hesitation, you came to mind immediately upon the question of "What
should I make".


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Leif's h2g2 smilies for new TB! version

[Mary Bull]

Hello fellow tbudl subscribers!
   *and Leif*

Leif, thank you! I appreciate the two *Hitchhiker's Guide to the
Galaxy* emoticons that you created for Trill (my aka name, going back
to the time when I didn't even know who Douglas Adams was, which you
gave me over a year ago as a nickname that I treasure).

So now I will have to get out of my comfortable, old-shoe version,
with bugs and features that I'm used to, and learn the latest TB!,
after June 1, 2004.

I read the entire thread (threads) about it on tbbeta, but I have a
fixed policy of only lurking there.

42.   Trill.

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Re: New TB! release June 1, 2004

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, May 28, 2004, 1:32 PM, you wrote:

MB> ed to respond to Leif and thank him for the special   smilies.
MB> But I'm too shy to post on tbbeta.

so send it up to tbot!! that's where we moved my dinner thread..

MB> Perhaps I should wait for next Tuesday to download--a new release with
MB> Mail Chat and possibly smilies also.

don't wait!! it's working NOW!!! If you haven't seen the :42: you
MUST!!! h2g2 was cool too! you can see them if you just download that
file, oh, wait, maybe that only works in TB..


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Re: (SOT) The best templates

[Mica Mijatovic]

***^\ 
 ~~( __ _"o   Was Fri, 28 May 2004, at 11:43:09 -0600, 
@  @  when Leif Gregory wrote:

> Hello Mica,

> Friday, May 28, 2004, 11:13:54 AM, you wrote:
>>> Whatever the heck that topic on TBOT was where everyone was being
>>> poetic, I think you'd fit right into that thread if it still
>>> exists! ;-)

Mica>> I apologize. Poetry happens. I didn't mean to keep moderators busy.

> No apology needed. I wasn't moderating you, I was just commenting,
> that I think you'd fit in perfectly on the TBOT list when "they" start
> getting poetic on each other. 

I read too fast today. :-) Going to see. Thanks. So, they're putting
poetry on each other...

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Re: viewing HTML messages in specific folders only

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mark,

On Fri, 28 May 2004 19:13:59 +0200 GMT (29/05/2004, 00:13 +0700 GMT),
Mark Partous wrote:

D>>> I'd like to view messages in HTML in only a specific set of
D>>> folders(trusted messages). Is this possible in any form(or even the
D>>> inverse as I could check off folders not to view in HTML)?

MP> The status has changed from "new" to "reviewed" on 07 Sep 2003 08:23.
MP> No note has been added by anyone.
MP> It must be most people don't like the idea.

I do.

MP> Those who want to support it, can leave a note in the Bugtrack
MP> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php  bug id: 0001270

Bugnote added.

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rare instances can cause the tooth to explode. An exploding tooth
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Re: New TB! release June 1, 2004

[Mary Bull]

Hello Roelof!

On Friday, May 28, 2004, 12:33 PM, you wrote:

MB>> Sorry for the typo, everyone!

RO> Did you ever consider a address book template for new messages to
RO> tbudl (or for replies), that might prevent these kind of things in the
RO> future.

Thanks. You are always my practical friend. I knew that I should have
it--just, since early days when I didn't know how, hadn't made one. I
seldom have occasion to send a new message here. I'll go straight and
take your advice now. Have had one in the AB Reply template for some
time, already.

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Re: (SOT) The best templates

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Mica,

Friday, May 28, 2004, 11:13:54 AM, you wrote:
>> Whatever the heck that topic on TBOT was where everyone was being
>> poetic, I think you'd fit right into that thread if it still
>> exists! ;-)

Mica> I apologize. Poetry happens. I didn't mean to keep moderators busy.


No apology needed. I wasn't moderating you, I was just commenting,
that I think you'd fit in perfectly on the TBOT list when "they" start
getting poetic on each other. 



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Re: (SOT) The best templates

[Mica Mijatovic]

***^\ 
 ~~( __ _"o   Was Fri, 28 May 2004, at 08:11:51 -0600, 
@  @  when Leif Gregory wrote:

> Hello Mica,

Leif.

> Friday, May 28, 2004, 5:50:32 AM, you wrote:
Mica>> 
Mica>> Well, firstly the love toward wisdom is born.
Mica>> Then the impulse for sharing some of it appears.
Mica>> Then the one asks himself: what have I done... ("duh" is optional)
Mica>> I think the order (observing cosmogonicaly) is OK. :-)
Mica>> Sorry for interhorsing, but I couldn't resist.

> Whatever the heck that topic on TBOT was where everyone was being
> poetic, I think you'd fit right into that thread if it still exists!
> ;-)

I apologize. Poetry happens. I didn't mean to keep moderators busy.

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Re: X-Ray: why?

[Mica Mijatovic]

***^\ 
 ~~( __ _"o   Was Fri, 28 May 2004, at 16:37:52 +0200, 
@  @  when Roelof Otten wrote:

> Hallo Mica,

> On Fri, 28 May 2004 12:39:23 +0200GMT (28-5-04, 12:39 +0200, where I
> live), you wrote:

MM>> Just one of the examples I use it for: since The Bat cannot write the
MM>> time when a message is *sent*, I use X-Ray for writing this time in (the
MM>> "sent" line in my headers).

> But your ISP's smtp server will do that for you, so why the fuss?
> ;-)

What fuse? 8-)

I use it from two reasons:

1) The time I sent it from my contraption is not same time the
contraption of my ISP has (re)sent it from. But it is not so
significant.

2) It is written in a much more "user friendly" form, so that even those
not that skilled in reading headers can find it easily.

A sub-reason 2a) is that I can add some specific data about specific
profile of my communication contraption system, related to the time a
message is living it, which means something to some of my
correspondents, and to me myself.

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Re: New TB! release June 1, 2004

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Mary,

On Fri, 28 May 2004 10:59:13 -0500GMT (28-5-04, 17:59 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MB>> Hello all tbudl subsccribers!
MB>  
MB> Oh, well, fumble-fingers strikes again! Sorry for the typo, everyone!

Did you ever consider a address book template for new messages to
tbudl (or for replies), that might prevent these kind of things in the
future.

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Re: New TB! release June 1, 2004

[Mary Bull]

Hello Paul!

On Friday, May 28, 2004, 12:28 PM, you wrote:

MB>>> Hello all tbudl subsccribers!
MB>>

MB>> Oh, well, fumble-fingers strikes again! Sorry for the typo, everyone!

PC>:42:

Just Trilling along. :)

PC>just for you Mary! oh, wait, you don't use the beta do you??
PC>   you NEED to get that beta:)

So, here's one vote that I get it. :) Well, you're the one that nagged
me into learning how to configure TB! for comcast.net, so your voice
counts heavily with me. :)

I need to respond to Leif and thank him for the special h2g2 smilies.
But I'm too shy to post on tbbeta. :(

Perhaps I should wait for next Tuesday to download--a new release with
Mail Chat and possibly smilies also. :)

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Re: New TB! release June 1, 2004

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, May 28, 2004, 11:59 AM, you wrote:


MB>> Hello all tbudl subsccribers!
MB>

MB> Oh, well, fumble-fingers strikes again! Sorry for the typo, everyone!

   :42:

   just for you Mary! oh, wait, you don't use the beta do you??
  you NEED to get that beta:)

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Re: viewing HTML messages in specific folders only

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Mark,

Friday, May 28, 2004, 11:13:59 AM, you wrote:
Mark> Those who want to support it, can leave a note in the Bugtrack
Mark> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php bug id: 0001270


Done... Thanks.


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Re[2]: viewing HTML messages in specific folders only

[Mark Partous]

Hello Leif,

Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 12:58:30 AM, you wrote:

LG> Hi DB,

LG> On Tue, 25 May 2004, at 17:31:23 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:31 PM where
LG> I live) you wrote:
D>> I'd like to view messages in HTML in only a specific set of
D>> folders(trusted messages). Is this possible in any form(or even the
D>> inverse as I could check off folders not to view in HTML)?

LG> Not that I'm aware of. But that sounds like a nice idea.

I introduced it in the whishlist on 26 Apr 2003 16:09.
I asked for "the option to set the reader to automatically read HTML
(override the general setup) on a per-folder-basis?"

The status has changed from "new" to "reviewed" on 07 Sep 2003 08:23.
No note has been added by anyone.
It must be most people don't like the idea.

Those who want to support it, can leave a note in the Bugtrack
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php  bug id: 0001270


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Re: New TB! release June 1, 2004

[Mary Bull]

Hello Mary!

On Friday, May 28, 2004, 10:56 AM, you wrote:

MB> Hello all tbudl subsccribers!
   

Oh, well, fumble-fingers strikes again! Sorry for the typo, everyone!

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Re: New TB! release June 1, 2004

[jwayne]

On Friday, May 28, 2004, 11:56:06 AM, Mary Bull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

MB> Hello all tbudl subsccribers!

MB> Is anyone planning to download the new version of TB! promised to be
MB> available on June 1?

MB> I just received an announcement of it in a newsletter from "RITLABS
MB> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>". It says, in part, "Ritlabs is glad to announce a
MB> new version of The Bat! program with an unique feature of Mail Chat
MB> that will be published on June 1, 2004."

MB> What do you think?
 
I think that they should fix the outstanding bugs and problems before adding new
features...

jon

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New TB! release June 1, 2004

[Mary Bull]

Hello all tbudl subsccribers!

Is anyone planning to download the new version of TB! promised to be
available on June 1?

I just received an announcement of it in a newsletter from "RITLABS
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>". It says, in part, "Ritlabs is glad to announce a
new version of The Bat! program with an unique feature of Mail Chat
that will be published on June 1, 2004."

What do you think?
 
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Re: Bug pressure?

[michael]

Quoting Allister Jenks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hello TBUDLers,
> 
> 
> Are there that many bugs that it takes two months to even get to this
> one?

I have been in Software QA for over 25 years.  I just want to say that a "bug"
like you posted looks a great deal like a problem with your computer.  

I run Windows XP, and a format and reinstall every six months.  One reason is
that I have worked in software QA at Microsoft and their software is very
unstable.  Every six months, I back up my data, reformat and reinstall.  It
keeps windows stable and fast.  So, when was the last time you reinstalled
windows?

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Bad Processing of Browser's "Send" Command

[Joseph N.]

This is a follow-up to previous posts concerning TB!'s poor 
processing in some circumstances of a browser's mailto: or send 
command.  Another example--though it may take a little work to 
test this--is from the online NY Times of May 28, 2004.  
  Toward the right side of the main index 
page, there's a box referring to "Review:  Painters of Reality," 
about an exhibit of Italian art.  Click on "Slide Show."  This 
might require registering at the site, but it's free.  From any 
image in the slide show, right-clicking in a Mozilla-based browser 
(I'm using a nightly build from February) gives a "Send image" 
command.  Left-click that command, and TB! comes up.  The link, 
however, appears not only in the main body but also in the TO: 
field.

If this is confirmed, I'll search the bug db and, if not already 
there, I'll file it.

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Re: How to delete a message from the server?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Costas.

At 11:00 AM on Friday, May 28, 2004 it seems you posted the
following to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to How to delete
a message from the server?: 

> Is  there  a  way  to configure it so that a message from a particular
> email  address is deleted on the server without the message being also
> downloaded to my PC?

  Yes
  Look in filters | action tab | delete from server

  HTH

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How to delete a message from the server?

[Costas Papadopoulos]

I notice that using a filter one can delete a message from the server.
Is  there  a  way  to configure it so that a message from a particular
email  address is deleted on the server without the message being also
downloaded to my PC?

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Re: X-Ray: why?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Mica,

On Fri, 28 May 2004 12:39:23 +0200GMT (28-5-04, 12:39 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MM> Just one of the examples I use it for: since The Bat cannot write the
MM> time when a message is *sent*, I use X-Ray for writing this time in (the
MM> "sent" line in my headers).

But your ISP's smtp server will do that for you, so why the fuss?
;-)

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Re: (SOT) The best templates

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Mica,

Friday, May 28, 2004, 5:50:32 AM, you wrote:
Mica> 
Mica> Well, firstly the love toward wisdom is born.
Mica> Then the impulse for sharing some of it appears.
Mica> Then the one asks himself: what have I done... ("duh" is optional)
Mica> I think the order (observing cosmogonicaly) is OK. :-)
Mica> Sorry for interhorsing, but I couldn't resist.

Whatever the heck that topic on TBOT was where everyone was being
poetic, I think you'd fit right into that thread if it still exists!
;-)



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Re: A template and clipboard challenge

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Rich,

@28-May-2004, 09:29 -0400 (28-May 14:29 UK time) rich gregory [RG]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

MDP>> Use %CLIPBOARD to paste the clipboard content at any point

RG> We see here we can paste the clipboard contents into a message
RG> under construction BUT is there a way to copy *TO* the clipboard
RG> via a macro?

No - you'll have to get yourself familiar with PowerPro for that.

http://www.windowspowerpro.com

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Re: X-Ray: why?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Michael.

At 3:14 AM on Friday, May 28, 2004 it seems you posted the following
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to X-Ray:  why?: 

  A less techie type reason was, that until recently, TB! users
  could not control their x-mailer header. As a consequence there
  were some over ambitious or ignorant services that filtered out
  The Bat! email because somewhere/sometime ago TB! was mentioned as
  a client that could be easily automated for spamming purposes. Of
  course, TB! licensing expresses prohibits it's use for spamming
  but never mind; there are a lot of really dumb administrators out
  there. X-ray allowed TB! users to change the x-mailer header as
  well as other functions as others have explained.

  TB! users can now turn off the x-mailer header which avoids the
  problem.

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Re[2]: A template and clipboard challenge

[Marten Gallagher]

> Dear Marten,

> Use the %CLIPBOARD content to paste the clipboard content at any
> point in any template. Easy when you know how :-).

You're just trying to make me look silly!! :-)

I hunted through all the macros offered in the macroi editing template
- but I'm sure it wasn't there.

Thanks - works a dream.


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Re: (SOT) The best templates

[Mica Mijatovic]

***^\ 
 ~~( __ _"o   Was Fri, 28 May 2004, at 09:39:01 +0200, 
@  @  when Mark Partous wrote:

MLW>> Michael L. Wilson
MLW>> Philospher
MLW>> Teacher
MLW>> Critic

> In that order?  :-)



Well, firstly the love toward wisdom is born.

Then the impulse for sharing some of it appears.

Then the one asks himself: what have I done... ("duh" is optional)

I think the order (observing cosmogonicaly) is OK. :-)

Sorry for interhorsing, but I couldn't resist.

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Re: Backup script

[Mica Mijatovic]

***^\ 
 ~~( __ _"o   Was Tue, 18 May 2004, at 02:40:19 +0200, 
@  @  when MAU wrote:

> Hello Mica,

MAU. :-)

(In Serbian/Croatian "mau" means "miaow". :-) It's cute.)

>> I still do not understand why one uses such a programs...

> You don't have to understand anything. Do you like blue colour? I don't
> and maybe you do, that is all there is to it.

Well, a colour is a matter of so called "taste", or of aesthetic moment
(although it has even some functional influence in a given
circumstances, one must admit), while I observe a computer contraptions
before all as a technical thing which I judge of against effectiveness.

My attention was too unilateral, I see now, so I couldn't understand the
whole picture. When I was a kid, I didn't like spinach. Even today, I
don't like some musical "genres" (as modern "country" songs, although
they do a great job in terms of socialization, observing the thing in a
non-musical way, purely anthropologically, et sim.)

Thanks again for the Sel. Download filter. :-)

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Re: Backup script

[Mica Mijatovic]

***^\ 
 ~~( __ _"o   Was Mon, 17 May 2004, at 12:31:15 -0500, 
@  @  when Allie Martin wrote:

> Mica Mijatovic wrote:

MM>> I still do not understand why one uses such a programs when there
MM>> are excellent free command line archivers one can do anything with
MM>> by batch files. Even better and might be even faster.

> TB! isn't the only thing I backup.

I backup *all*, via ARJ (2.60). :-) Version 2.8x is in some aspects
better, but generally it runs markedly slower.

> It's certainly faster for me to point and click into effect, some of
> the backups that I do. I really can't be bothered with tweaking and
> testing batch scripts. :)

I also do that with a mere click. :-) I click (or "Start - Run -
'bkupall'"), and "bkupall.bat" calls all the bunch of other about 50
.bat files which do their jobs collectively and diligently. When I feel
lazy, I schedule the bkupall.bat to run each hour, or in every 27
minutes.

"Tweaking and testing" batch scripts you do only once. :-) Same as when
you configure any other backup program.

> I don't mind buying and using Second Copy to make it easier for me.
> Time isn't an issue since my backups are done automatically and while
> I'm asleep. I know that one can do it other ways and with tools
> already in their possession. It's up to you really, and I don't see
> the point of making an issue out of how one chooses to do it. 

Well, that part was certainly my omission to understand motives and
habits of others. I see my mistake now and I agree, with what you say.

Although I just had offered a cheaper and faster way (perhaps even more
reliable one, and safer for OS). If no one is interested in, I am back
in my grotto. :-)

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Re: A challenge/response to TBUDL identity

[Mica Mijatovic]

***^\ 
 ~~( __ _"o   Was Tue, 18 May 2004, at 13:47:49 +0200, 
@  @  when Roelof Otten wrote:

I was out(door) for a while, and my response is "a bit" late. :)

MM>> but I'd like if I could create one which deletes from server. For
MM>> the ordinary one I use "return path" line in 'kludges' and
MM>> '"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" with a subject' part (the later could
MM>> be even shorter) in 'text'.

> I guess I'd go for the return path and only the list address, but
> that's a matter of taste.

Yes, thanks, that's a best solution. (I was not sure, in that time, if
these messages were a spam, so I could't rely on return path, since in a
such case this line often is not the same.)

MM>> Since it is combination of 'kludge' and 'body' text, I cannot see
MM>> the way how to implement that in selective download filter. Is it
MM>> possible at all?

> No. It wouldn't do you any good either. In order to scan the body for
> a string, the body has to be downloaded. It isn't really worth your
> effort to download the body in order to decide whether you want to
> download it. ;-)

Hehe... Obviously. This part I completely forgot. Thanks for reminding
me.

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Re: X-Ray: why?

[Mica Mijatovic]

***^\ 
 ~~( __ _"o   Was Fri, 28 May 2004, at 00:14:25 -0700, 
@  @  when Michael L. Wilson wrote:

> Someone told me I should be using X-Ray if I use the Bat.  I have
> downloaded it and configured it a little, and now I need to ask why?
> What does it really do for me?

It depends on what you want/need.

Just one of the examples I use it for: since The Bat cannot write the
time when a message is *sent*, I use X-Ray for writing this time in (the
"sent" line in my headers).

Generally, it serves for editing (in/out) header part of a message, as
Julian already explained.

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Re: A template and clipboard challenge

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Marten,

@28-May-2004, 12:36 Marten Gallagher [MG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

... 

MG> How to code the template so that it automatically takes the
MG> contents of the clipboard and inserts it in the two places.

MG> At the moment I have the %CURSOR at the first insertion point so
MG> I just hit CTRL-V but then have to click the second place and
MG> repeat before clicking SEND.

Use the %CLIPBOARD content to paste the clipboard content at any
point in any template. Easy when you know how :-).

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A template and clipboard challenge

[Marten Gallagher]

I have a template which requires the same piece of text (which is in
the system clipboard) inserted in two places.

The challenge is:

How to code the template so that it automatically takes the contents
of the clipboard and inserts it in the two places.

At the moment I have the %CURSOR at the first insertion point so I
just hit CTRL-V but then have to click the second place and repeat
before clicking SEND.

Possible? Pipedream?

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Re: TB! or not TB ? (..that is the question..)

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, May 28, 2004, 3:41 AM, you wrote:

S> However T-Bird has some real pluses too (a lot of FastMail devotees
S> seem to use it too)...especially for a freebie...

S> Anyone else tried both T-Bird and TB!...especially IMAP??

I went the other way. I gave up my fastmail.fm account, because I
couldn't get the IMAP to work right in TB. It was easier to use my free
Yahoo account ( or others:) than fight IMAP.

Allie probably wouldn't agree with me about my choice ;)

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Service Pack 1
Apr2004 (4.1.396)  (avast! version number)
0422-1 (27.05.2004) (avast! DB version number)
4.1.396 (avast! plugin version number)
  



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Why should I use PGP ?

[Cyrille]

Hello,

Why should I use PGP ?

[no sig and no delimiters, because my ISP spoils them and the moderators
don't like it]




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TB! or not TB ? (..that is the question..)

[SL]

Hello TBUD Listees

I have resumed the vain search for the perfect mailer, which of course
is different things to different people (and a futile quest for all!).
I keep coming back to The Bat! (TB!), despite not liking its (to me
unappealing) appearance, its buggy HTML editing etc BUT...it has
so many pluses.

I am using IMAP in Mozilla ThunderBird (TB...or T-Bird if you like)
and in TB!  Both have their pluses and minuses.

I don't find IMAP in TB! too bad...  Also I like TB! 's speed...it
opens up faster than most mailers and seems to do various
operations as faster or faster than most... TB! gives you plenty of
options too...and lets you know what is going on...(eg when
sending/receiving mail...I like that...)

However T-Bird has some real pluses too (a lot of FastMail devotees
seem to use it too)...especially for a freebie...

Anyone else tried both T-Bird and TB!...especially IMAP??

-- 
Regards,
 Steve Lovemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

17:31 Friday, 28 May 2004

Using The Bat! v2.10.03 (Protocol:usually IMAP)
on Windows 98 4.10 Build B




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Re: The best templates

[Mark Partous]

Hello Michael,

Friday, May 28, 2004, 9:13:19 AM, you wrote:


MLW> I see a great amny good templates in this forum.  Anyone want to
MLW> upload and share their best templates so that I can learn?

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html
http://www.immer-international.de/tb_en/index.html

You might want to take a look at the plugins too.

MLW> Michael L. Wilson
MLW> Philospher
MLW> Teacher
MLW> Critic

In that order?  :-)


-- 
Best Wishes,
Mark
using The Bat! 2.11 Beta/8




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Re: X-Ray: why?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Friday, May 28, 2004, 8:14:25 AM, Michael L. Wilson wrote:

> Someone told me I should be using X-Ray if I use the Bat.  I have
> downloaded it and configured it a little, and now I need to ask why?
> What does it really do for me?  Anyone have any good Kludge filters to
> use with it?  Why shuffle SMTP and POP servers?  Any ideas?

There are two reasons you might wish to use X-Ray.  One is that is
allows you to modify the headers in your email messages - it is a
quite sophisticated program in this respect.

The other reason is if you are using TB! on a laptop, for example, and
may need to send messages through a variety of SMTP servers. In this
case you tell TB that the SMTP server is Localhost (X-Ray) and X-Ray
can either manually or automatically choose the SMTP server. For
example, I used X-Ray to choose between a Work (Exchange), Home (DSL)
and Mobile (Dial-up) SMTP server, which it did automatically depending
on the IP address the laptop had been allocated.

I don't do this now, as my ISP has an option of Authenticated SMTP, so
I can send mail through my ISP's SMTP servers whichever network I am
connected to.

Hope this helps!

[ps - your sig delimited is broken.  It should be [dash][dash][space]

Julian

-- 
  Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1




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The best templates

[Michael L. Wilson]

I see a great amny good templates in this forum.  Anyone want to
upload and share their best templates so that I can learn?

--
Michael L. Wilson
Philospher
Teacher
Critic

"Big Brother is watching" - George Orwell (1984)

Using The Bat! version 2.10.03 on Windows XP 5.1 (2600)
Nod32 anti-virus
spampal anti-Spam
Outpost Pro Firewall



Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

X-Ray: why?

[Michael L. Wilson]

Someone told me I should be using X-Ray if I use the Bat.  I have
downloaded it and configured it a little, and now I need to ask why?
What does it really do for me?  Anyone have any good Kludge filters to
use with it?  Why shuffle SMTP and POP servers?  Any ideas?

--
Michael L. Wilson
Philospher
Teacher
Critic

"Big Brother is watching" - George Orwell (1984)

Using The Bat! version 2.10.03 on Windows XP 5.1 (2600)
Nod32 anti-virus
PopFile anti-Spam
Outpost Pro Firewall



Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html