Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation -- late response

29 apr 2014 kl. 18:35 skrev Tom Livingston : > I recall seeing this come through, I thought so to but couldn’t find it my mailbox nor in the online archive. > but anyway, I'd like to say that I wasn't defending *not* using RWD, I'm a > big proponent of it, but IIRC there were some replies that

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation -- late response

I recall seeing this come through, but anyway, I'd like to say that I wasn't defending *not* using RWD, I'm a big proponent of it, but IIRC there were some replies that eluded to non-responsive sites being "broken" or preventative of users using the site on phones or tablets. I was just saying t

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

apr 10 2014 18:50 Tom Livingston : > it's still useable. He's not leaving mobile users *completely* out in the > cold. That it is so is still quite a bit beside the point I think. The users only have to get used to sites that cater for them, their use cases and their devices, to do feel left

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

apr 10 2014 16:19 Davies, Elizabeth : > the Mobile First philosophy brought many "wins" with it. Perhaps the name is > misleading and it should be "Simplicity First" or "Basics First" ;D I liked that one. __ css-discuss [css-d

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Also, we're drifting away from list appropriate topics... Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 10, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Chris Williams wrote: > > Philip, as I described in the message I just sent, I too am developing a > very complex and detailed application where I was convinced that one > needed a huge

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

> > Typical text site : http://marden-prg.org.uk/ > Typical graphic-dependent high-resolution site : > http://www.royalholloway.ac.uk/Hellenic-Institute/Research/Etheridge/ > > For what it's worth, a smart enough phone - like my iPhone - can render the "high resolution" site mentioned above

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Philip, as I described in the message I just sent, I too am developing a very complex and detailed application where I was convinced that one needed a huge screen to appreciate it. After many discussions with my contract designer she was able to convince me that the mobile user was worth pursuing.

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

This, too, is a place where we "engineers" try to pretend we are like our users and, in doing so, often fail them. We all are comfortable with technology, and feel that "sure, let's let them customize the heck out of this thing, give them a ton of options". Because we are comfortable with lots of

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Thank you for your comments, Chris, which clearly contain a great deal of sense. Let me, if I may, address just one part of what you say, in terms of what I create ("create", in terms of "create web sites", that is) -- The problem that "mobile-first" is trying to solve is an issue not simply on

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On 4/10/2014 10:33 AM, Chris Williams wrote: Then you all can be happy carrying your pagers and listening to the latest hit from Abba as well. Mobile use is not a fad. It's not just something those whippersnappers are doing, even if you're not. It is, for many, the first and sometimes only w

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Then you all can be happy carrying your pagers and listening to the latest hit from Abba as well. Mobile use is not a fad. It's not just something those whippersnappers are doing, even if you're not. It is, for many, the first and sometimes only web device they use. And it's use is growing expo

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

elief -Original Message- From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org [mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Philip Taylor Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 5:24 AM To: CSS-Discuss Cc: Felix Miata; Tedd Sperling Subject: Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation Someone

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Den 10.04.2014 12:59, skrev MiB: What mobile first does is focusing on the content and the essential presentation of it. Something all web design should be doing already. That they should, regardless of how they approach visual design. regards Georg ___

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

apr 102014 12:36 Georg : > I agree in principle, but guess how much you "play by the market", or not, > depends on whether you are trying to sell something, or not. :-) > > FWIW, I have no "first" in mind when designing, only "all"... > http://www.gunlaug.com/contents/design/mobile-first.html

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Den 10.04.2014 12:24, skrev Philip Taylor: My thoughts regarding "Mobile-first design" is that it is putting the cart before the horse -- we should (IMHO) (a) be designing to W3C standards (and not designing to accommodate browser deficiencies), and (b) be designing to be flexible (so that no mat

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Someone wrote: I would like to hear your thoughts/recommendations on Mobile devices for clarification and advice? I consider them for the most part more toys than tools. I own no mobile device, and do not anticipate ever owning one. I leave here infrequently. I've been fueling my car about 3-4

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On Apr 8, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-04-08 09:42 (GMT-0400) Tedd Sperling composed: > > Offlist. I don't think this qualifies as topical for css-d. > >> I would like to hear your thoughts/recommendations on Mobile >> devices for clarification and advice? > > I consider them

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > I suggest to start thinking like a puter instead of a human. By that I mean > the decimal system is fine for common measurements by ordinary humans. But, > puters use binary, and its octal and hexidecimal extensions, which suggests > humans worki

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Phillipe found the same notes I did. I didn't have a machine in the lab with the requisite resolution and FF version, so my browser version was off. The first bug report I had listed version 28. I did some installs and narrowed it to the '21 good', '22 inflated'. Its not just my site, its all

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

> On Apr 7, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Micky Hulse wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Eric wrote: >> I've tested on Win8 and reported my findings. I'll test later on Win7, but I >> seriously doubt there will be a diff. Especially on my standard density >> 1920x1080 screen. > > Ah, so it's all

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Le 8 avr. 2014 à 10:25, Micky Hulse a écrit : > So, dumb question, but has anyone answered the question as to why > Firefox zooms the page when viewing her page on a high resolution > monitor? I answered that about 40 minutes before you sent this email… > Would be interesting to see a watered

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Micky Hulse wrote: > Crawling back into my hole now. :D There's an interesting thread here: "How to disable system DPI detection on FireFox 22" Found when searching for "firefox high dpi zoom" via Google:

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Micky Hulse wrote: > Looks like no difference between shots. Of course, they don't offer Firefox > 28 for the screen shots, so I guess those screens are of no help anyway. Crawling back into my hole now. :D (would still love to see a watered down test page with b

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Micky Hulse wrote: > Ah, so it's all based on one having a high PPI monitor? Probably not helpful due to lack of PPI setting/option, but here's a batch of Browserstack automated screens:

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Eric wrote: > I've tested on Win8 and reported my findings. I'll test later on Win7, but I > seriously doubt there will be a diff. Especially on my standard density > 1920x1080 screen. Ah, so it's all based on one having a high PPI monitor? I'm assuming Browsersta

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Mickey, I've tested on Win8 and reported my findings. I'll test later on Win7, but I seriously doubt there will be a diff. Especially on my standard density 1920x1080 screen. Eric > On April 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM Micky Hulse wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Davies, Elizabeth > wrote: >

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Hello Elizabeth, I tested again this time using FF28 latest Chrome, Canary and IE10 (will boot Win7 later to check IE11). The results are the same - the only diffs I see are due to font rendering as far as I can tell. Based on the material the Philippe posted there may be an issue when using a hi

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Davies, Elizabeth wrote: > Tom sent me some screenshots and is also not seeing the effect on a Mac. I > checked around on our in house Macs, and this appears to be a Windows OS with > Firefox effect. What we're seeing is an overall inflation of the entire page >

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Le 5 avr. 2014 à 07:01, Davies, Elizabeth a écrit : > Looking for insight into (and potential correction to) the latest Firefox > browsers inflating the overall size/resolution of webpages. We use a mobile > first responsive upwards, and in the newest Firefox browsers, what is a > reasonable

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-04-07 15:51 (GMT-0400) Tom Livingston composed: > > >> Barney Carroll wrote: > > >>> Please forgive the impertinent lurker here, but could somebody weigh in >>> with >>> why relative measures are necessary when the desired outcome is >>>

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On 2014-04-07 15:51 (GMT-0400) Tom Livingston composed: Barney Carroll wrote: Please forgive the impertinent lurker here, but could somebody weigh in with why relative measures are necessary when the desired outcome is pixel-level accuracy? While feeling a little 'holy war', I'll bite...

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Tom sent me some screenshots and is also not seeing the effect on a Mac. I checked around on our in house Macs, and this appears to be a Windows OS with Firefox effect. What we're seeing is an overall inflation of the entire page (not just font size). Where on a 1920 resolution screen, Firefox

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Barney Carroll wrote: > Please forgive the impertinent lurker here, but could somebody weigh in with > why relative measures are necessary when the desired outcome is pixel-level > accuracy? > > > While feeling a little 'holy war', I'll bite... It's to honor brows

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Eric wrote: > As for the OP's question. I don't see what Elizabeth describes in Mozilla > Nightly (still need to try in on FF). The diffs I did see between Nightly and > Chrome are minor and appear to be due to the usual diffs in UA font rendering > engines. I did

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Please forgive the impertinent lurker here, but could somebody weigh in with why relative measures are necessary when the desired outcome is pixel-level accuracy? -- Regards, Barney Carroll barney.carr...@gmail.com +44 7429 177278 barneycarroll.com

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On 2014-04-07 16:59 (GMT+0200) Georg composed: Davies, Elizabeth composed: Correct that example URL to https://www.gallupstrengthscenter.com/ ... The same inflation occurs on the GSC site. And it happens whether I put everything to em's, strip out the IE cascade, put all the media queries to

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Tom, Setting the root element's font-size to 62.5% results in a REM unit being equal to 10px assuming that the users UAr default font-size is set to 16px which what overwhelming majority of browsers in the wild are set to. Some folks prefer to do it this way because it's easy to think in base 10.

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Not sure, but I have a feeling the answer to what is happening can be found here... http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_1_03_04.html If so, it is an old problem that reappears in a new form, caused by the fact that you start small on font-size and then size up further in. regards Georg

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Correct that example URL to https://www.gallupstrengthscenter.com/ ... The same inflation occurs on the GSC site. And it happens whether I put everything to em's, strip out the IE cascade, put all the media queries to em's or rem's. The design stays proportional and does not break, it just gets

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Davies, Elizabeth wrote: > I've not used PX sizing for well over a decade. We did recently change to > using REM's off of a % on the HTML. > > The site in question uses a % on the HTML and REM's on the typography with PX > in a legacy IE-only (for those that don'

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

n...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Felix Miata Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 5:38 PM To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation On 2014-04-04 22:01 (GMT) Davies, Elizabeth composed: > Looking for insight into (and potential correction to) the latest

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On Apr 4, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-04-04 22:01 (GMT) Davies, Elizabeth composed: > >> Looking for insight into (and potential correction to) the latest Firefox >> browsers inflating the overall size/resolution of webpages. We use a >> mobile first responsive upwards, and in

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

On 2014-04-04 22:01 (GMT) Davies, Elizabeth composed: Looking for insight into (and potential correction to) the latest Firefox browsers inflating the overall size/resolution of webpages. We use a mobile first responsive upwards, and in the newest Firefox browsers, what is a reasonable font size

Re: [css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Could you please post a URL to an example? Thanks > On April 4, 2014 at 6:01 PM "Davies, Elizabeth" > wrote: > > > Looking for insight into (and potential correction to) the latest Firefox > browsers inflating the overall size/resolution of webpages. We use a mobile > first responsive upwards, an

[css-d] Firefox and page inflation

Looking for insight into (and potential correction to) the latest Firefox browsers inflating the overall size/resolution of webpages. We use a mobile first responsive upwards, and in the newest Firefox browsers, what is a reasonable font size in every other browser becomes ludicrously large in