Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Nicolas George
hlyg (12024-07-20): > Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable > recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who > develop more apps, The programmers who are attracted by market share are not necessarily the ones who are interested in developing qualit

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread hlyg
Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who develop more apps, which attract more users. e.g. many vpn providers support Windows and android, not linux. linux can get distributed by word

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2024-07-20, hlyg wrote: > i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows no doubt :) > according to some statistics linux has only 4% desktop market, 73% for MS, 15% > for MacOS Linux is not on the market. I buy M$ but download debian. How can you say how many people is using deb

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-19 Thread tomas
onal > formats, it doesn't come preinstalled on almost every computer you buy: > offered as the only option, Linux isn't advertised, and probably never > will be. All of them good factors. I may add yet another: because in the current economic ideology, investing in things seems prefer

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-19 Thread David
On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 11:54 +0800, hlyg wrote: > crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens > > it is evident that many people around still use Windows > > i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows > > according to some statistics linux has o

why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-19 Thread hlyg
crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens it is evident that many people around still use Windows i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows according to some statistics linux has only 4% desktop market, 73% for MS, 15% for MacOS why free OS hasn't gained

Re: Fwd: using xorriso to create a bootable Linux ISO

2024-07-19 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Vijay Kirpalani wrote: > I am using xorriso to create a bootable Linux ISO and facing some issues. > Please suggest what i might be doing wrong or missing. I answered to your identical mail on bug-xorr...@gnu.org . See: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-xorriso/2024-07/msg

Re: Kali Linux problem and support question [WAS Re: w4sp-lab]

2024-07-17 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 3:10 PM Bret Busby wrote: > On 18/7/24 01:43, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 05:52:47PM +0200, Aleix Piulachs wrote: > >> installing w4sp-lab in Kali-linux-2024.2-installer-everything-amd64.iso > >> gives me an error whe

Re: Kali Linux support forum info [WAS Re: kali and w4sp-lab]

2024-07-17 Thread Bret Busby
On 18/7/24 05:22, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 10:37:38PM +0200, Aleix Piulachs wrote: I am installing with virtualbox w4sp-lab to kali-linux-2024.2-installer-everything-amd64.iso and the module (import w4sp from w4sp_webapp.py ) gives an error: import os import re import

Kali Linux support forum info [WAS Re: kali and w4sp-lab]

2024-07-17 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 10:37:38PM +0200, Aleix Piulachs wrote: > I am installing with virtualbox w4sp-lab to > kali-linux-2024.2-installer-everything-amd64.iso and the module (import > w4sp from w4sp_webapp.py ) gives an error: import os import re import sys > import pwd import

Re: Kali Linux problem and support question [WAS Re: w4sp-lab]

2024-07-17 Thread Bret Busby
On 18/7/24 01:43, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 05:52:47PM +0200, Aleix Piulachs wrote: installing w4sp-lab in Kali-linux-2024.2-installer-everything-amd64.iso gives me an error when I press w4sp_webapp.py in python module error: import w4sp and error in module: from w4sp_app

Kali Linux problem and support question [WAS Re: w4sp-lab]

2024-07-17 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 05:52:47PM +0200, Aleix Piulachs wrote: > installing w4sp-lab in Kali-linux-2024.2-installer-everything-amd64.iso > gives me an error when I press w4sp_webapp.py in python module error: > import w4sp and error in module: from w4sp_app import * and I cannot change &

Re: LINUX-IMAGE-6.8.11 headers cannot be installed

2024-07-16 Thread George at Clug
Prajnanaswaroopa, What sources are you using to upgrade from? e.g. what do you see for: # cat /etc/apt/sources.list I do not know what Kali Linux might use for non-free firmware. Debian Bookworm can use something like: deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm main non-free non-free

Re: LINUX-IMAGE-6.8.11 headers cannot be installed

2024-07-16 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 19:30:20 -, Prajnanaswaroopa wrote: > Hello, > I am using a Kali Linux https://www.google.com/search?q=kali+linux+support

LINUX-IMAGE-6.8.11 headers cannot be installed

2024-07-16 Thread Prajnanaswaroopa
Hello, I am using a Kali Linux 6.6.9 version. When I tried to update and upgrade, the terminal shows that the header linux-header-6.8.11-amd64 cannot be installed. I tried several commands, but all seen to return the same comment. In addition, the error the terminal shows is as follows

Re: last(1) missing after upgrade from 12.5 to sid (util-linux 2.38.1 to 2.40.1-4)

2024-06-04 Thread songbird
e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 6/4/24 10:59, songbird wrote: >> t...@tommiller.us wrote: >> >>> Hello! >>> >>> last(1) seems to have disappeared following an upgrade from 12.5 to sid. >> ... >> >>i've been using the "more" com

Re: last(1) missing after upgrade from 12.5 to sid (util-linux 2.38.1 to 2.40.1-4)

2024-06-04 Thread songbird
Ash Joubert wrote: > On 2024-06-05 02:59, songbird wrote: >> t...@tommiller.us wrote: >>> last(1) seems to have disappeared following an upgrade from 12.5 to sid. >>i've been using the "more" command provided by the util-linux >> package. > >

Re: last(1) missing after upgrade from 12.5 to sid (util-linux 2.38.1 to 2.40.1-4)

2024-06-04 Thread Ash Joubert
On 2024-06-05 02:59, songbird wrote: t...@tommiller.us wrote: last(1) seems to have disappeared following an upgrade from 12.5 to sid. i've been using the "more" command provided by the util-linux package. You might be thinking of less(1), a program similar to more(1). The

Re: last(1) missing after upgrade from 12.5 to sid (util-linux 2.38.1 to 2.40.1-4)

2024-06-04 Thread eben
On 6/4/24 10:59, songbird wrote: t...@tommiller.us wrote: Hello! last(1) seems to have disappeared following an upgrade from 12.5 to sid. ... i've been using the "more" command provided by the util-linux package. How do you use "more" to do what "last&quo

Re: last(1) missing after upgrade from 12.5 to sid (util-linux 2.38.1 to 2.40.1-4)

2024-06-04 Thread songbird
t...@tommiller.us wrote: > Hello! > > last(1) seems to have disappeared following an upgrade from 12.5 to sid. ... i've been using the "more" command provided by the util-linux package. songbird

Re: last(1) missing after upgrade from 12.5 to sid (util-linux 2.38.1 to 2.40.1-4)

2024-06-03 Thread tom
subscribed to this list. > > Thanks for your help! > > Best! > > Tom > > <8> > > # Prior to upgrade, last(1) is present in 12.5 > > root@lol ~ # cat /etc/debian_version > > 12.5 > > root@lol ~ # which last > > /usr/

Re: last(1) missing after upgrade from 12.5 to sid (util-linux 2.38.1 to 2.40.1-4)

2024-06-03 Thread Ash Joubert
On 2024-06-04 16:09, t...@tommiller.us wrote: last(1) seems to have disappeared following an upgrade from 12.5 to sid. I remember seeing in the NEWS for util-linux that last(1) was moved to the wtmpdb package: $ zcat /usr/share/doc/util-linux/NEWS.Debian.gz util-linux (2.40.1-2) unstable

last(1) missing after upgrade from 12.5 to sid (util-linux 2.38.1 to 2.40.1-4)

2024-06-03 Thread tom
ior to upgrade, last(1) is present in 12.5 root@lol ~ # cat /etc/debian_version 12.5 root@lol ~ # which last /usr/bin/last root@lol ~ # last --version last from util-linux 2.38.1 root@lol ~ # # Update, upgrade, and reboot 12.5 to prepare for sid root@lol ~ # apt-get update && apt-get f

Re: What use can i give to linux?

2024-04-06 Thread gene heskett
On 4/6/24 16:30, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: On Saturday 06 April 2024 11:05:52 am Curt wrote: On 2024-04-05, John Hasler wrote: Desktop Linux is widely used in physics and mathematics. NASA uses Linux extensively, including on Mars and on the ISS. SpaceX uses Linux on their rockets and

Re: What use can i give to linux?

2024-04-06 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Saturday 06 April 2024 11:05:52 am Curt wrote: > On 2024-04-05, John Hasler wrote: > > Desktop Linux is widely used in physics and mathematics. NASA uses > > Linux extensively, including on Mars and on the ISS. SpaceX uses Linux > > on their rockets and spacecraft.

Re: What use can i give to linux?

2024-04-06 Thread Curt
On 2024-04-06, gene heskett wrote: > On 4/6/24 11:07, Curt wrote: >> On 2024-04-05, John Hasler wrote: >>> Desktop Linux is widely used in physics and mathematics. NASA uses >>> Linux extensively, including on Mars and on the ISS. SpaceX uses Linux >>> on th

Re: What use can i give to linux?

2024-04-06 Thread gene heskett
On 4/6/24 11:07, Curt wrote: On 2024-04-05, John Hasler wrote: Desktop Linux is widely used in physics and mathematics. NASA uses Linux extensively, including on Mars and on the ISS. SpaceX uses Linux on their rockets and spacecraft. Over 90% of the top 1 million Web servers run Linux

Re: What use can i give to linux?

2024-04-06 Thread Curt
On 2024-04-05, John Hasler wrote: > Desktop Linux is widely used in physics and mathematics. NASA uses > Linux extensively, including on Mars and on the ISS. SpaceX uses Linux > on their rockets and spacecraft. Over 90% of the top 1 million Web > servers run Linux, including Yahoo,

Re: NextGov: Linux XZ Utils Backdoor Was Long Con, Possibly With Support

2024-04-06 Thread gene heskett
On 4/6/24 09:15, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: But what if next time the back-doored software _does_ build without error? The initial build problems did not cause suspicion. It was the CPU load of sshd and an obscure complaint by valgrind which caused the discovery. ht

Re: NextGov: Linux XZ Utils Backdoor Was Long Con, Possibly With Support

2024-04-06 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > But what if next time the back-doored software _does_ build without error? The initial build problems did not cause suspicion. It was the CPU load of sshd and an obscure complaint by valgrind which caused the discovery. https://boehs.org/node/everything-i-know-abo

Re: NextGov: Linux XZ Utils Backdoor Was Long Con, Possibly With Support

2024-04-05 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Apr 5, 2024, 1:39 PM wrote: > On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 12:27:03PM -0400, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > > Hi, All.. > > > > This just hit my emails seconds ago. It's the most info that I've > > personally read about the XZ backdoor exploit. I've been following > > NextGov as a friendly, plain l

Re: What use can i give to linux?

2024-04-05 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 13:38:50 -0700 "James H. H. Lampert" wrote: > Which is why I still have DOS boxes (running IBM PC-DOS 2000, > with DOSShell, and no WinDoze whatsoever…. You might look into freedos. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.

Re: NextGov: Linux XZ Utils Backdoor Was Long Con, Possibly WithSupport

2024-04-05 Thread gene heskett
On 4/5/24 16:42, James H. H. Lampert wrote: I will note that open source software has, by definition, a lot more eyes looking at the source. Which is probably why (as Tomas said) "proprietary software tends to fare significantly worse." -- JHHL . In light of that its worth noting that an M$ e

Re: NextGov: Linux XZ Utils Backdoor Was Long Con, Possibly With Support

2024-04-05 Thread debian-user
Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > Continues to sound like one single perp is destroying the TRUST > factor that an untold number of future programmers must meet. That's > heartbreaking. It has never sounded like a single perp to me. 'Jia Tan' is an obvious sock puppet as are the other names who pushed L

Re: NextGov: Linux XZ Utils Backdoor Was Long Con, Possibly With Support

2024-04-05 Thread James H. H. Lampert
I will note that open source software has, by definition, a lot more eyes looking at the source. Which is probably why (as Tomas said) "proprietary software tends to fare significantly worse." -- JHHL

Re: What use can i give to linux?

2024-04-05 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 4/5/24 12:12 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: . . . Most of the time the platform is dictated by the application(s) a user wants to run. . . . Indeed. Which is why I still have DOS boxes (running IBM PC-DOS 2000, with DOSShell, and no WinDoze whatsoever: Xerox Ventura Publisher (DOS/GEM Edition)

Re: NextGov: Linux XZ Utils Backdoor Was Long Con, Possibly With Support

2024-04-05 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 08:38:36PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > No, on the contrary. First of all, it is great that it has been > caught /before/ it could cause much harm [...] ...and of course kudos and thans to Andres Freund who spotted the thing! Cheers -- t signature.asc Descri

Re: What use can i give to linux?

2024-04-05 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2024 05 Apr 12:37 -0500, William Torrez Corea wrote: > My colleague uses Windows, another uses Mac OS while I use Debian Gnu/Linux > 12. Choice is good. > The majority of users use Windows while developers and designers use mac os > but a little of people use Debian Gnu/Linux

Re: NextGov: Linux XZ Utils Backdoor Was Long Con, Possibly With Support

2024-04-05 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2024 05 Apr 11:28 -0500, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > Hi, All.. > > This just hit my emails seconds ago. It's the most info that I've > personally read about the XZ backdoor exploit. I've been following > NextGov as a friendly, plain language resource about governm

Re: What use can i give to linux?

2024-04-05 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 4/5/24 11:35 AM, John Hasler wrote: Desktop Linux is widely used in physics and mathematics. NASA uses Linux extensively, including on Mars and on the ISS. SpaceX uses Linux on their rockets and spacecraft. Over 90% of the top 1 million Web servers run Linux, including Yahoo, X, and Ebay

Re: NextGov: Linux XZ Utils Backdoor Was Long Con, Possibly With Support

2024-04-05 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 12:27:03PM -0400, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > Hi, All.. > > This just hit my emails seconds ago. It's the most info that I've > personally read about the XZ backdoor exploit. I've been following > NextGov as a friendly, plain language resourc

Re: What use can i give to linux?

2024-04-05 Thread John Hasler
Desktop Linux is widely used in physics and mathematics. NASA uses Linux extensively, including on Mars and on the ISS. SpaceX uses Linux on their rockets and spacecraft. Over 90% of the top 1 million Web servers run Linux, including Yahoo, X, and Ebay. Almost all supercomputers use Linux

Re: What use can i give to linux?

2024-04-05 Thread Leandro Noferini
William Torrez Corea writes: [...] > The majority of users use Windows while developers and designers use > mac os but a little of people use Debian Gnu/Linux 12. So, what is the > goal of having this distribution?. Translating from a contemporary italian philosopher, the answe

What use can i give to linux?

2024-04-05 Thread William Torrez Corea
My colleague uses Windows, another uses Mac OS while I use Debian Gnu/Linux 12. The majority of users use Windows while developers and designers use mac os but a little of people use Debian Gnu/Linux 12. So, what is the goal of having this distribution?. I use in Debian Gnu/Linux the following

NextGov: Linux XZ Utils Backdoor Was Long Con, Possibly With Support

2024-04-05 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
Hi, All.. This just hit my emails seconds ago. It's the most info that I've personally read about the XZ backdoor exploit. I've been following NextGov as a friendly, plain language resource about government: Linux backdoor was a long con, possibly with nation-state support, expert

Can Linux update an old kernel [WAS Re: AW: AW: AW: su su- sudo dont work]

2024-02-10 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 01:21:55PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > Yes. > > > I found out > I do use an old kernel. > > Can LINUX update a kernel? > Hi Sophie, Yes, of course. As root/sudo user, apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade But you still don't giv

Re: Generic Linux / clib question

2024-02-10 Thread tomas
On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 08:45:32AM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > The readline library is released under the full GPL, not the LGPL. If > > > you dynamically link it with a program, then you can only release that > > > program under terms compatible with the GPL

Re: Generic Linux / clib question

2024-02-09 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > The readline library is released under the full GPL, not the LGPL. If > > you dynamically link it with a program, then you can only release that > > program under terms compatible with the GPL. This is an intentional > > choice. to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Practically

Re: Generic Linux / clib question

2024-02-09 Thread tomas
On Fri, Feb 09, 2024 at 06:36:18PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > The readline library is released under the full GPL, not the LGPL. If > you dynamically link it with a program, then you can only release that > program under terms compatible with the GPL. This is an intentional > choice. >

Re: Generic Linux / clib question

2024-02-09 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 09, 2024 at 03:20:46PM -0800, Van Snyder wrote: > On Fri, 2024-02-09 at 17:37 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 09, 2024 at 02:30:54PM -0800, Van Snyder wrote: > > > Years ago, I knew the name of the routines one could use to have some > > > stdin history and be able to edit i

Re: Generic Linux / clib question

2024-02-09 Thread Van Snyder
On Fri, 2024-02-09 at 17:37 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Feb 09, 2024 at 02:30:54PM -0800, Van Snyder wrote: > > Years ago, I knew the name of the routines one could use to have some > > stdin history and be able to edit it, like you can do in XTerm or > > gnuplot or > > > > I can't

Re: Generic Linux / clib question

2024-02-09 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Van Snyder wrote: > Years ago, I knew the name of the routines one could use to have some stdin > history and be able to edit it, like you can do in XTerm or gnuplot or Sounds like readline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Readline https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/readline An altern

Re: Generic Linux / clib question

2024-02-09 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 09, 2024 at 02:30:54PM -0800, Van Snyder wrote: > Years ago, I knew the name of the routines one could use to have some > stdin history and be able to edit it, like you can do in XTerm or > gnuplot or > > I can't remember them now, or find them. I think you're talking about the r

Generic Linux / clib question

2024-02-09 Thread Van Snyder
Years ago, I knew the name of the routines one could use to have some stdin history and be able to edit it, like you can do in XTerm or gnuplot or I can't remember them now, or find them. Does anybody know the names? Thanks, Van Snyder

Re: Possible cifs stuck in stable kernel (linux-image-6.1.0-17-amd64)

2024-01-30 Thread Xiyue Deng
Hi Sven, Sven Joachim writes: > On 2024-01-30 10:52 -0800, Xiyue Deng wrote: > >> (Please keep me in CC as I'm not subscribed to the users ML.) >> >> Hi, >> >> TL;DR I've been experience stuck file system operations on cifs mount on >> latest

Re: Possible cifs stuck in stable kernel (linux-image-6.1.0-17-amd64)

2024-01-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2024-01-30 10:52 -0800, Xiyue Deng wrote: > (Please keep me in CC as I'm not subscribed to the users ML.) > > Hi, > > TL;DR I've been experience stuck file system operations on cifs mount on > latest stable kernel (linux-image-6.1.0-17-amd64, 6.1.69-1), and would &

Possible cifs stuck in stable kernel (linux-image-6.1.0-17-amd64)

2024-01-30 Thread Xiyue Deng
(Please keep me in CC as I'm not subscribed to the users ML.) Hi, TL;DR I've been experience stuck file system operations on cifs mount on latest stable kernel (linux-image-6.1.0-17-amd64, 6.1.69-1), and would like to see if other people are seeing similar issue before actually fi

Re: SOLVED: Re: Chromium oops: libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so

2024-01-24 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 07:33:59 + Tixy wrote: > On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 13:34 -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > [...] > > As you've already found out, that's not the latest one, and if I'm not > mistaken is the one that introduce a wifi bug [1], so that could > explain it getting stuck in the wif

Re: SOLVED: Re: Chromium oops: libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so

2024-01-23 Thread Tixy
er kernel. I had recently installed Bookworm from the 12.0 > netinst CD image, so I had the 12.0 kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-9-amd64, > 6.1.27-1, as my fall-back kernel. I rebooted to that, and was able to > shut down and boot in quick order. > > So I purged the newer kernel, inux-im

Re: SOLVED: Re: Chromium oops: libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so

2024-01-23 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:25:58 +0700 Max Nikulin wrote: > On 24/01/2024 03:34, Charles Curley wrote: > > So I purged the newer kernel, inux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64 > > The current kernel is linux-image-6.1.0-17-amd64 > > Perhaps you have not restored your sources.list or ap

Re: SOLVED: Re: Chromium oops: libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so

2024-01-23 Thread Max Nikulin
On 24/01/2024 03:34, Charles Curley wrote: So I purged the newer kernel, inux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64 The current kernel is linux-image-6.1.0-17-amd64 Perhaps you have not restored your sources.list or apt preferences after the accidents with kernel bugs. Check that nothing extra is added and

SOLVED: Re: Chromium oops: libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so

2024-01-23 Thread Charles Curley
run chromium, I get: > > charles@jhegaala:~$ chromium & > [2] 33609 > charles@jhegaala:~$ libva error: > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so init failed > > charles@jhegaala:~$ I seem to have solved this problem, entirely by accident. I went to shut down the

Re: Chromium oops: libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so

2024-01-22 Thread Max Nikulin
On 19/01/2024 04:08, Charles Curley wrote: charles@jhegaala:~$ chromium chrome://gpu libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so init failed ^C Killed charles@jhegaala:~$ I did a killall -9 in another window to kill it. Does it happen in the case of a new system user and a new

Re: Chromium oops: libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so

2024-01-18 Thread Max Nikulin
On 19/01/2024 04:08, Charles Curley wrote: On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 00:02:44 +0700 Max Nikulin wrote: Have you faced real issues namely with hardware acceleration? Other than this, not that I know of. I do not think the message concerning iHD is related to any real issue. I see "oops" in the

Re: Chromium oops: libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so

2024-01-18 Thread Charles Curley
itches in https://peter.sh/experiments/chromium-command-line-switches/, to no avail. > > chrome://gpu may provide more info. > Alas, chromium never gets far enough to deliver useful information. charles@jhegaala:~$ chromium chrome://gpu libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri

Re: Chromium oops: libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so

2024-01-18 Thread Max Nikulin
On 14/01/2024 00:19, Charles Curley wrote: charles@jhegaala:~$ chromium & [2] 33609 charles@jhegaala:~$ libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so init failed charles@jhegaala:~$ vainfo libva info: VA-API version 1.17.0 libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu

Chromium oops: libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so

2024-01-13 Thread Charles Curley
aala:~$ libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so init failed charles@jhegaala:~$ ps PID TTY TIME CMD 32502 pts/800:00:00 bash 32506 pts/800:00:04 emacs 33609 pts/800:00:00 chromium 33630 pts/800:00:00 chromium 33631 pts/800:00:00 chromium 3

I have successfully installed Debian Linux 12.4.0 on my refurbished HP EliteBook 840 G1 laptop on 21 Dec 2023 Thursday

2023-12-23 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Subject: I have successfully installed Debian Linux 12.4.0 on my refurbished HP EliteBook 840 G1 laptop on 21 Dec 2023 Thursday Good day from Singapore, I have successfully installed Debian Linux 12.4.0 on my refurbished HP EliteBook 840 G1 laptop on 21 Dec 2023 Thursday. It was done using

Re: Is there a problem with Linux-image-6.1.0-16?

2023-12-21 Thread Charles Curley
server that upgraded. I haven't set any > special policies on upgrades. I saw similar here. Of four machines here running Bookworm, three have kernels: linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64 6.1.66-1 linux-image-6.1.0-16-amd64 6.1.67-1 but one has: linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64 6.1.55-1 linux-image-6.1

Re: Is there a problem with Linux-image-6.1.0-16?

2023-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 09:02:34AM -0500, Gary Dale wrote: > Several days ago my main server upgraded to kernel 6.1.0-16 but various > other devices that are also running Bookworm seem stuck at 6.1.0-13. They > are all using the same architecture. Some are using the same mirror as the > server that

Is there a problem with Linux-image-6.1.0-16?

2023-12-21 Thread Gary Dale
Several days ago my main server upgraded to kernel 6.1.0-16 but various other devices that are also running Bookworm seem stuck at 6.1.0-13. They are all using the same architecture. Some are using the same mirror as the server that upgraded. I haven't set any special policies on upgrades. Can

Re: From which kernel should I upgrade my installed Debian to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64?

2023-12-12 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi Greg > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 2:43 AM > From: "Greg Wooledge" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: From which kernel should I upgrade my installed Debian to > linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64? > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 07:38:02PM +0100, St

Re: Issues found in linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64 6.1.66-1; was: From which kernel should I upgrade my installed Debian to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64?

2023-12-12 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 11 Dec 2023 21:45 -0700, from charlescur...@charlescurley.com (Charles Curley): > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1057967 And from the looks of that bug report thread, message #72 onwards, there is now a candidate fix. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=105796

Re: From which kernel should I upgrade my installed Debian to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64?

2023-12-11 Thread Charles Curley
On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 04:15:33 + Tom Furie wrote: > Do we know yet which wifi drivers are "troublesome"? I haven't seen > anything concrete yet anywhere. You can read the gory details at Mr. Price's bug report. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1057967 -- Does anybody read si

Re: From which kernel should I upgrade my installed Debian to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64?

2023-12-11 Thread Tom Furie
Kevin Price writes: > 6.1.0-15 brought not only the ext4-bugfix, but along with it introduced > a terrible new bug: Most computers work fine with -15, except for some > of those that have wifi, depending upon the driver. There was a certain > change in Linux's cfg80211 kernel module, which contro

Re: From which kernel should I upgrade my installed Debian to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64?

2023-12-11 Thread Kevin Price
Hey Stella, hey all: Am 11.12.23 um 19:38 schrieb Stella Ashburne: > Thank goodness it only happens once in a blue moon. May I please clarify some basic (mis-)conceptions? There's "linux-image-amd64". This is a metapackage that contains nothing but a constructed dependen

Re: From which kernel should I upgrade my installed Debian to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64?

2023-12-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 07:38:02PM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Please see Greg's reply to my other post (URL: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/12/msg00640.html). > > For your convenience, I quote a section of his reply (see below): > > "Yes, because

Re: From which kernel should I upgrade my installed Debian to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64?

2023-12-11 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi Andy > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 at 11:25 PM > From: "Andrew M.A. Cater" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: From which kernel should I upgrade my installed Debian to > linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64? > > > If you're not currently boo

Re: From which kernel should I upgrade my installed Debian to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64?

2023-12-11 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 02:25:23PM +0100, Kevin Price wrote: > Am 11.12.23 um 14:16 schrieb Stella Ashburne: > > Suppose I wish to upgrade to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64. > > If that were the case, or maybe better to a newer one. > > > Should I do it after booting my d

Re: Release process notes [WAS Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)]

2023-12-11 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi Greg Thank you for taking the time to explain in detail. > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 at 10:16 PM > From: "Greg Wooledge" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Release process notes [WAS Need clarifications about how to > deal with the installed

Re: Release process notes [WAS Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)]

2023-12-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 02:35:07PM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Suppose linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64 is installed successfully and I reboot my > device. > > A few days from now, I decide to remove linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64 because it > is buggy and so in a terminal, I ty

Re: Release process notes [WAS Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)]

2023-12-11 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi Andy > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 at 3:13 PM > From: "Andrew M.A. Cater" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Release process notes [WAS Re: Need clarifications about how to deal > with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1

Re: From which kernel should I upgrade my installed Debian to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64?

2023-12-11 Thread Kevin Price
Am 11.12.23 um 14:16 schrieb Stella Ashburne: > Suppose I wish to upgrade to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64. If that were the case, or maybe better to a newer one. > Should I do it after booting my device into > (1) linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (the problematic kernel) NO. Don't ever b

Re: From which kernel should I upgrade my installed Debian to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64?

2023-12-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 02:16:39PM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > (3) doesn't matter which kernel to upgrade from That.

From which kernel should I upgrade my installed Debian to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64?

2023-12-11 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi As of now, I'm quite hesistant to upgrade my installed Debian Bookworm to linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64 as there are two users who reported they have problems with it (cf. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/12/msg00570.html and https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/12/msg00607

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-11 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi Andy > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 at 3:20 PM > From: "Andrew M.A. Cater" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed > problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) > dpkg is low le

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-11 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi Greg > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 at 11:40 AM > From: "Greg Wooledge" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed > problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) > > On Mon, D

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-11 Thread Michael Kjörling
e version reported by a program itself. A lot of the time, something like "current up-to-date Bookworm" or "Bookworm per " is sufficiently precise, as long as you have confirmed that this is actually the case. >>> sudo dpkg -i linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64 >>&g

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-10 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
fications about how to deal with the installed > > problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) > > > > > > This combination is expected under the circumstances, assuming that > > you mean /etc/debian_version. Booting into a different kernel does not >

Release process notes [WAS Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)]

2023-12-10 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 03:32:55AM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Hi Greg > > > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08 PM > > From: "Greg Wooledge" > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Subject: Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-10 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi Greg > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 at 11:27 AM > From: "Greg Wooledge" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed > problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) > > > Well, th

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-10 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 04:31:22AM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Someone on a social media platform stated that there are only two "canonical" > [sic] ways to verify the version of Debian installed on a system. They are: > > uname -a > > /proc/version > > Do you agree with the above statement

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-10 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi Michael > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:29 PM > From: "Michael Kjörling" <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed > problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-10 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 03:26:16AM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > What command did you use? Was it > > sudo dpkg -i linux-image-amd64_6.1.55-1_amd64.deb Yes. On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 03:32:55AM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > As of writing this reply, there's a new poin

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-10 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi Greg > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08 PM > From: "Greg Wooledge" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed > problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) > > > Note that

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-10 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi Greg > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 at 2:06 AM > From: "Greg Wooledge" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed > problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) > > > In order

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-10 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 10:08:21AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 01:41:14PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > That will work: you might also want to apt-get purge > > linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 > > but you've done the main thing. > > Note

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-10 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 01:41:14PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > That will work: you might also want to apt-get purge > linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 > but you've done the main thing. Note that purging 6.1.0-14 will also remove the linux-image-amd64 metapackage, which has a hard

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-10 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
d to my computer many hours ago. > > My device upgraded to the latest kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 and > rebooted. > Yes, this was a problem that surfaced properly half way through the release process. The release team had already put out the main updates: I was involved with t

Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)

2023-12-10 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 10 Dec 2023 13:48 +0100, from rewe...@gmx.com (Stella Ashburne): > I highlight linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64 and press Enter. > > After supply the decryption password and entering my desktop > environment, I did the following: > > cat /etc/debian_user > *Result* is 12.3, eve

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